“A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.” Um, what?
Vile strumpet! You'll get your comeuppance!
Manosphere dudes – MRAs, MGTOWers, PUAs and whatever other acronyms they will eventually invent – love to tell themselves little “just so” stories about women. One of their favorite stories is the story of the Bad Boy Cock Carousel.
The gist of it: Women in their twenties are at the height of their physical beauty. So they act like entitled bitches, sleeping with every Bad Boy and Alpha Asshole there is and ignoring the humble, honest, hardworking “nice guy” betas silently pining for them.
But once these mean girls hit the age of 27 or so, they suddenly become ugly monsters, and the bad boys stop returning their calls. So then the evil ladies try to glom on to the nearest beta male in an attempt to marry him and steal all of his money.
But the beta males don’t want none of that used-up pussy, and so they Go Their Own Way and everyone ends up forever alone. Or the guys learn “game” and start banging the hotties. Or they just go back to posting sammich jokes on Reddit. I think these are all supposed to be happy endings, because at least the evil bitches get their comeuppance.
Recently, someone posted a n especially creepy version of this Manosphere fairy tale in the comments here; it turned out to have been cut and pasted from a comment on Roissy/Heartiste’s “game” blog by a guy who calls himself PhillyBoy81. It’s long; I trimmed it a little for space.
“[A]lpha males” are doing all the rest of us a favor in the long run. They operate very much like short sellers in the dating market, exposing fraud and helping to discover the true prices of commodities (women).
Yep, we’re on the express train to Doucheytown.
Let’s take a 21-year old chick who’s between a 7/8 (cute to pretty. … She can pretty much get sex whenever she wants it and with whomever she wants to have it with. And that is ultimately her downfall.
Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards.
Apparently this is just how women in their early twenties live. Who knew?
Since they are able to get such easy access to “alpha” dick, it follows logically that they should also have access to “alpha” wealth, marriage, and the lifestyle that accompanies all of that, right?
Wrong. See, when women gain this enormous sense of pussy power, they swing for the fences. … So, the cute guy with a 3.8 GPA, but no car? Nope, not good enough. The nice-looking pre-med student? “Nah, I’ll just get back to him later. I heard Jude Law’s hotter brother is transferring here this semester.”
This had me worried for a second, but I looked it up: Jude Law does not have a “hotter brother,” or indeed a brother at all, which is good news for all straight men of equal or lesser hotness than Jude Law.
Anyway, back to the evil women:
They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right?
Wrong again. In a vacuum, women would have their way. Men beg for sex. Women decide whether to give it to them (and for most guys, they will not give it to you). But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum. We live in the real world with social constraints, and there are two that work distinctly to a man’s advantage: reputation and age. …
Ladies don’t think … we won’t remember your bitchiness. And don’t think we won’t remember those guys who you ran behind like a cum bucket.
Hmm. I’m pretty sure the only place buckets are gifted with mobility is in old Disney cartoons.
We remember. And we punish.
When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends. …
Apparently penises have a sort of reverse-Midas Touch thing going on: every woman who touches one turns into a filthy, used-up slut.
The height of a woman’s value, in terms of her value as a long term partner, is around the age of 27. That is the praecipice. The older she gets, the more her singlehood gets scrutinized by men. Why the hell is she still single? Who’s cock has she been sucking all these years?
Clearly that is the first question every straight man should ask himself whenever he sees a single woman older than the age of 27. (Just make sure you don’t actually ask this question out loud; it doesn’t go over well.)
[L]et’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college.
Hello creepy older dude lurking in the shadows at the frat party!
In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range.
It’s all about market equilibrium, yo! SCIENCE!
So that’s the story. It’s a stupid story. It’s not a true story. But it’s the story that manosphere dudes, like young children, want to hear over and over and over.
But I haven’t even gotten to the best part. Our pal MarkyMark, an excitable and somewhat addled Man Going His Own Way, reposted PhillyBoy81’s comment on his blog. In the comments there (as Man Boobz commenter Wetherby pointed out) we find this little gem:
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
Yep, that’s right. I’m just going to repeat that, because, wow.
A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.
All women older than 27 or so who date or marry men are disrespecting these men because … they are older than 27. Apparently women age out of spite. Maturation is misandry!
Posted on November 22, 2011, in $MONEY$, alpha males, bad boys, beta males, crackpottery, creepy, douchebaggery, evil women, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, penises, sex, sluts, thug-lovers, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 390 Comments.
I love how incredibly narrow their view of the dating world is.
“Young women (and some older ones) have an overinflated sense of the value of their vaginas. I mean, they have Wharton MBAs paying for exotic trips and they’re drinking Cosmos in the VIP with the Wizards.”
1. Women are allowed to earn their onw MBAs these days. A good friend of mine has one from the LSE. Does this mean she needs to find a billionaire in order to find a man far enough above her economic level to buy her vacations.
2. Is he suggesting that the cast of Harry Potter are buying this young woman drinks, or is that some sort of sports team? In any case, I was a hot 21 year old once upon a time, and I can’t say I ever felt any desire to go drinking with either a group of pro athletes or a bunch of dudes with wands.
“They invariably end up overplaying their hand. They chase these players looking to get a ring, and then that ring never comes. So now they’re 27. It’s a good thing she kept that pre-med Johns Hopkins student in her back pocket just in case things didn’t work out with the player, right?”
Huh. Men still occasionally offer me “alpha cock”, and I’m nearly 40. Could it be that not all men are horrified by women over 27?
“We remember. And we punish.”
Because on the inside, we are 5 years old.
“[L]et’s face it, what virile, successful bachelor wants to entertain a 29 or 30 year old as wifey potential. She’s going to want to become a baby factory right away and rip away the last vestiges of your freedom. I don’t think so. It’s now my time to swing for the fences and bang some of these 21 year olds that I couldn’t bang in college.”
Even the most traditional women do not generally think of themselves as baby factories, and the kind of women who went to college with you are especially unlikely to do so, Mr Wharton MBA. What’s that you say? Women don’t necessarily see themselves the way you see them? What a strange idea.
“In conclusion, a woman’s value is really defined by the type of man who puts a ring on her finger, not the type of guy who will fuck her. It takes a lot of women a long time to understand this, and thus, they overplay their hand. If it wasn’t for the players dogging them out, these women would not get a sense of their true value and start to seek out men who fit within their price range.”
So the goal is to stop those evil players from leading women to thus delude themselves, right? It isn’t? Well that’s not very logical. Guess that would mean admitting that you’ll never be one of them, huh?
“A man is not being respected if the woman he is with has spent her youth, beauty and fertility on someone else.”
Thus, in conclusion, we should kill all women over 30 who are not married, before they are able to spend the rest of their lives disrespecting some poor guy. Now let’s run this idea past a few non-MRAs!
(Pauses for feedback)
Well that didn’t go very well, did it?
“When a man sleeps with 100 chicks, he’s a stud. When a woman sleeps with JUST ONE guy, that eliminates you as wifey material to ALL of his friends.”
See, I thought this was a good example of sexism and anti-sex attitudes, a way of saying what too many people think sub-consciously… But this dude is serious. O_O
There are horror stories online (like on FML) where a guy convinces a girl to have sex before they are engaged, then decides to call it off because she’s not a virgin anymore… Blargh… If these views weren’t an undercurrent in main-stream culture, I’d feel safe just pointing and laughing; if they want to drive women away, fine. But this particular satement and others are still a part of our culture, even if nobody usually has the nerve to outright say it.
It starts with the fallacious assumption that all women want to get married and have babies and just goes further down the rabbit hole from there.
Do these men never leave their houses or something?
@Cassandra:
“In any case, I was a hot 21 year old once upon a time, and I can’t say I ever felt any desire to go drinking with either a group of pro athletes or a bunch of dudes with wands.”
Those two groups aren’t usually mutually exclusive. Hurr hurr hurr. :P
WIFEY? Who the fuck uses “wifey”??????
OK, yeah, I know it’s all fucked up.
but wtf wifey???????????????
Yeah, the wand thing was kind of deliberate…also I don’t like Harry Potter so I have no idea what else the wizards in it use. Newts?
Kirby that just means that they are driving the women to you and Spear. I hope you realise that.
He really does think his penis is poison, or something, and harms everyone who touches it. I don’t understand it.
(sings) A wizard’s staff has a knob on the end
Do they have staffs in Harry Potter?
(I like Pratchett’s wizards better. Not Rincewind, though, he’s just annoying.)
This was enlightening to say the least. The only solution I can see is that everyone should marry each other right away, or everyone should stay virgins O.o
have these dudes never seen seinfeld? everyone knows the dream of becoming a doctor is to break up with whoever youre dating for someone more attractive, so its not like the johns hopkins pre-med is totally innocent in this scenario.
There’s plenty of room for extreme hotness in the “equally or less” sexy than Jude Law group.
Also, men don’t age, they are immortal angels that only appear to age because demon women are sucking out their life forces.
Men are like the Gelflings in the Dark Crystal, and women are the Skeksis. Isn’t it obvious?
I have never once had a gentleman pay for an exotic trip for me. I guess I’m just an uggo…?
If I am sleeping with people who couldn’t get laid if it wasn’t for me, am I exempt from this whole slut thing? Because I fuck around, but most players are too… flashy… to be my type. Am I still marriagable? I would like to get married.
I don’t want to date a “cute guy with a 3.8 GPA,” whether or not he has a car. I want to date a cute guy who’s funny, geeky, smart, feminist, a kinky bastard when called upon to be so, a little socially awkward and kind. His GPA doesn’t enter into it at all.
I have slept with a dude and then slept with one of his friends. I didn’t realize this was so uncommon.
@Elizabeth:
Heh, I don’t think I get out enough to be pursued by anyone… Which is a shame, because I normally like to befriend someone before I date them, then I feel real awkward and can’t ask my new-found friend for anything sex-related, cause I don’t want to weird them out. -_-
I am not a confident man.
*starts handing out “Please Ask Me For Sex Kirby” shirts to all the women in Kirby’s life who are both his friend and interested in him*
There, now you know who to ask!
@Ozy:
This explains why the big names find it so hard to hate on you! You are the girl who pursues betas, you are breaking their minds! They are so surprised that they feel like they have to denounce you for being a slut, because they are shocked that any woman would sleep with non-muscly-genius-rich alpha gods.
I recommend lots and lots of cuddles. Those make it very easy for a friend to make it clear that she’d like some sex, if she’s thus inclined.
@Elizabeth:
Dang, that would be nice. ^_^
“I have slept with a dude and then slept with one of his friends. I didn’t realize this was so uncommon.”
Completely unmarriagable!
I got stuck on the bit about “In a vacuum, women would have their way.”
No, we wouldn’t. Unless we were really bound and determined to turn into goo then evaporate.
“But luckily, we don’t live in a vacuum.”
MRA in ‘says true thing’ shocker!
‘It was by accident’, astonished reader explains.
*keeps one for herself*
Indeed it would be Kirby. :)
At this point in the story, I managed to replace the speaker with Daffy Duck, Wizard Stu, complete with funny hand motions.
It’s a thanksgiving Miracle, Mr. Duck didn’t name Brad Pitt.
I’m sure you got over high school too… XD
This is a surefire plan to get women to sleep with you now and stop ignoring the ‘3.8 with a car’ or whatever; make sex a bad thing. Why didn’t I think of it before?
Queer women: Doing our part to protect women from the apparently magical corruption powers of penises.
Voodoo dating science! Mr. Duck, how could you?
How does this only work in one direction?
“Wifey potential?” Who the fuck is this, Arthur Kade?
Anybody who wants to get a taste for what the MRA world is like, I recommend reading the rest of the comment thread. Especially the one about the father who wants his daughter to grow up and find a nice man to marry, so he’s asking what college he should send her to. The reply? “Women are just gonna ride the alpha cock carousel, if she dates an alpha its her own fault.”
Guh…
@ Kirby – Huh. And I thought Meller was the only MRA devoted to the notion that fathers do not love their daughters.
Seconding the cuddles advice! :)
Also, I love how this comment only has to do with 7/8 women. What happens to all of us mediocre-looking (and, God forbid, ugly) women and female-assigned genderqueer people? Are we just alone forever? Would it be excessive to ask the gentlemen who can’t get laid to consider having casual sex with less attractive women to tide them over until all of the women of “their” rank are done drinking with pro athletes?
At first I read it and thought he meant 7/8 as in seven eighths. Took me a second to realize he meant seven or eight out of ten. Not that it really makes very much more sense that way either.
@Ozy:
“Would it be excessive to ask the gentlemen who can’t get laid to consider having casual sex with less attractive women to tide them over until all of the women of “their” rank are done drinking with pro athletes?”
Actually, it would! If wasting your vitality and youthful sexy awesomesauce on someone else is one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a man, what about someone who never had any of that in the first place? It’s practically unthinkable!
You know, I totally see where you’re going with that, Ozy, but at the same time I’m really not comfortable suggesting that anyone should sleep with people they’re not attracted to. It seems to me that that argument is problematic, and could backfire in all kinds of ways.
Cassandra: You’re right, of course. :) It still seems odd to me to complain about inability to get laid if you only want to sleep with women of above-average conventional attractiveness…
It does indeed seem a bit, um, unrealistic? But then again, if I were to say “I can’t get laid!” I would probably mean “with someone I actually want to have sex with”. If you’re not attracated to someone then they don’t even register as a sexual option, for most people.
How can you have “value as a long term partner” that ends when you turn 28? This guy is aware that women keep aging after you marry them, right?
Of course, we only do it to be rude.
This fantasy is particularly amusing when I think about it in light of my own life — at 21 I was an undergraduate engineering student, I was definitely not going on exotic trips of any sort (in fact, if one of these people from Wharton or whatever had offered one, I would have turned it down on the grounds that I could not possibly spare the time), and I was cruelly not dating anyone with a 3.8 GPA because the creature essentially did not exist at my school (except for one person with a 4.0, and she was so far as I know straight, as I thought I was at the time). And my sex life actually hit a major upturn — from virginity — at the supposedly-horrifying age of 27.
Also, er, what is a Cosmo?
@firebee:
I think a Cosmo is a strange magazine that seems to mainly focus on how women can be sexy, alluring, and how to pleasure men. *shrug*
Also, er, what is a Cosmo?
I think this is what they’re referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmopolitan_%28cocktail%29
ok that’s it. I hearby declare myself a woman going her own way.
I know the majority of men are not like this…but there’s plenty of them lurking on the internet and that’s enough for me. Just the thought of crossing paths with one of these douchebags in real life makes me want to puke. I don’t know how decent men and women people willingly put themselves in the dating world. You guys have a hell of a lot more faith in the goodness of people than I do that’s for sure.
Also cosmos rock! not the magazine, the drink :D fruity girly drinks are where its at. Especially ones with cranberry.
Going back and listening to this, who knew these guys were really MRAs or something.
LOL Xtra. That song pops into my head everytime I hear the word “wifey” too.
I really do hope my girls are gay when they grow up. At least they won’t be trying to date any of these assholes.
(yes, I have said that before, I still mean it)
Maybe these dudes could do it Lolita-style, and by the time their wives are ancient 30-year-old hags they can start raising up their daughters to replace those crumbling bitches. Yaaay.
This is one of those MRA moral theories that only works if the MRA assumes that the entire universe revolves around him. Because it’s not just that any woman who has sex with more than one man is an irreversibly broken slutty slut, but if any woman has sex with any man who is NOT HIM she is somehow mysteriously disrespecting him from afar. Spooky action at a distance? Quantum disrespect????
Also, your scale is really skewed towards ugly if you would call a “7/8″ merely cute or pretty. I almost find that more revealing of phillyboy’s attitude towards women than the rest of that nonsense. Because at least for me, I find that most women I meet are at least “not ugly”, and I know a good deal who are cute in some way. I definitely know more men that I’d call flat out ugly than I do women. I wonder whether MRAs somehow live in medieval Europe or something; I have no idea how else they get the idea that so many women are gross and that finding an attractive woman is extremely difficult. (I’m guessing their rating system is probably skewed because they’re interested in proving shit to each other and comparing women like audio systems or gaming rigs or something, where assholes with a grudge come up with all sorts of completely arbitrary shit to discern between set-ups that are indistinguishable for any real purpose you’d use them for only so they can “have the best one”)
They compare women they meet with women on screen. Anything less than a hollywood glamourpuss is ‘ordinary’.
I’ve noticed an interesting thing happening with the way some of these dudes decide at what age a woman is a dried up hag, the numerical value seems to be going not up like one would amuse but bizarrely sliding down.
First it was 40 then 35 now we are hovering round 27 to 30 aria which is odd because if you haven’t noticed there are allot of amazingly cool, interesting and attractive women round about that age.
I honestly don’t know the reason for this phenomenon maybe someone smarter than me can figure it out. For now I’m sticking with my theory a pet theory I’ve been kicking around which is…
These guys are talking out their asses.
I’d say something about unrealistic beauty standards but that probably makes me a horrible misandrist!
I’m curious as to how far down the age at which women become hags is going to creep. Right now it seems to be 25-ish – are we going to end up with it at 21? Maybe 18? Given the crossover between MRAs, PUAs, and creepy weirdos who want to fuck teenagers, it seems entirely possible that we may eventually hit the stage where any woman who’s legal is also too old to have sex with because ew wrinkles.
A nice-looking Johns Hopkins pre-med student? Heh. Dating should be the least of his priorities. The competition to get into med school is insane — and getting there is only the beginning. I’d say, pre-meds should concentrate on their studies, and when it comes to relationships, let the chips fall where they may. Show me a pre-med student who is fuming over the fact that women “owe” him a relationship, and I’ll show you someone who’s well on the way to failing bio, screwing up on the MCATs and becoming a homeopath.
You know, I wonder if the age-slipping thing is because there are more younger MRAs than there used to be. (This would be interesting to test.) Whereas before it was 50-year-old divorcees or whatever complaining about “bitchy American women” and saying they’re gonna go bang some 25-year-old at the bar or go find some 30-year-old from Thailand to marry. And now that MRA stuff is more accessible you have a lot of 22-year-old frustrated college guys generalizing from their early failures at dating and saying that high schoolers are better because those Holy Highness college women think they’re such smart prisses for getting into Yale!!!!! And then they hope really hard that those college women shrivel up like mummies by the time they hit 25.
Or it could be like marc said, they’re totally talking out of their asses, which would not be something novel at all from that crowd.
Careful.
Something I always wonder when these conversations come up:
Who the fuck is a Beta?
Every time I ask an MRA or some type of idiot who believes in the greek system, they move the goal posts like whoa until “alpha” means “every guy I am attracted to.” And yet in these kinds of comments it’s clear that they mean guys who are way above average in conventional attractiveness.
The whole thing is ridiculous because at the end of the day…. I just have sex with normal people. I don’t really have strong general preferences when it comes to guys, so what I got under my belt (so to speak) is a mix of shot guys, tall guys, nerdy guys, suave guys, rivitheads, effeminate guys, jacked guys….. None of whom really fit into this alpha/beta nonsense.
Of course, they do have one common denominator; They’re not misogynistic douchebags.
As far as the “maximum fuckable age” level slipping down goes, I wonder if it’s some kind self-fulfilling prophesy/sour grapes thing.
Like if you deliberately remove more and more women from the pool of people you’d fuck, it becomes easier to say that no one you want will fuck you.
At the same time, it becomes easier to say “Well I didn’t want you anyway, you old hag!” when you get rejected.
Who the fuck is a Beta?
Only people identify as such, in my book. It’s a form of self-deprecation that allows these guys to blame their all problems with women on external forces. Thus sparing themselves all that unpleasant and difficult self-examination. You know, the kind of thing might actually help them.
Man, Kirby gets all the virtual babes.
I’ve seen this sort of analysis so many times on reddit and I’ve always thought it was funny.
Some things first, is sleeping around easier for women? I have no idea having never been a women but if I were to hazard a guess I’d say yes. However since this is on a PUA/game blog I’d assume that the guys who read it surely find sleeping around easier than the average man. This makes me wonder if they themselves ‘gaming’ and sleeping around alot makes them less viable for a long term relationship as they get older… why do they believe they are entitled to a women of a certain morality that they themselves don’t possess?
I should say that the reason women sleeping around is historically frowned upon is due to possible confusion over parental identity, and since somewhere in the region of oen in 5 to one in 3 men have fallen victim to paternity fraud/infidelity and are raising someone elses child I think is is perhaps still a valid concern.
However I’m surprise manboobz featured this, yes it shows some idiocy and uses the term ‘a woman’s value ‘ but this is nothing incredible or suprising, people are free, enjoy your sexuality as much as you can. You get but one life and it’s entirely yours choice.
However if for some reason a man or a woman does not want a long term relationship with someone who has had over x number of partners, that too is their choice, not all opinions are valid but who you choose to form relationships with isn’t really that important as long as your enjoying yourself.
and since somewhere in the region of oen in 5 to one in 3 men have fallen victim to paternity fraud/infidelity
It’s one in three men who get paternity tests not one in three men.
Hello, PhillyBoy81! Welcome, time traveller, to 2011!!
You are, no doubt, weary from your journey here from 1952, but if you could take a moment I would be glad to teach you about some of our customs.
I know, to you, that seems shockingly old to be unwed, but in today’s modern world women don’t actually need a man to support them! As a consequence, many women marry later, don’t marry at all, or even pick other women as spouses! This also means many women will marry men without carefully inspecting their bank accounts first. Hold on, the ride gets even wilder:
Interestingly, in the modern era, women who want to have children can actually wait well into their 30s and still safely conceive (though pregnancy may be more high-risk). Fascinating advancements in medical science! Of course, if you think of children as life-destroyers now, there’s a good chance you’re not going to change your mind in a couple years, so maybe you should try marrying a woman who isn’t looking to have children?
Also, in 2011, 27 year old women turn into 29 year old women in two years. I had thought this happened in 1952 as well, but sometimes these details escape me, so let’s move on:
Ah, another example of what I was trying to explain before! You see, PhillyBoy81, women today can earn their own income, making marriage something people do out of affection, rather than financial need. I am assuming that when you say “a woman’s value”, you are of course using it as shorthand for earning potential, right? Because even in 1952, no one thought a woman’s value as a human being had anything to do with her vagina, right? Yes?
-shakes fist at the sky-
BLOCKQUOTES!!!!!
@Dracula
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/Globe_and_Mail_Moms_Little_secret_14DEC02.aspx
puts it at a bare minimum of 10% however thats only when a man is falsely name the father, however every case of unstated paternity also removes a persons right to raise their own children and unstated paternity is at 28% according to canada
http://www.canadiancrc.com/PDFs/Unstated_Paternity_1st_Nations_en.pdf
Not that I’m wanting to argue about %’s. I was merely putting the historical distaste of female promiscuity into perspective.
@ shora
Sorry for my weaksauce sexism, though technically it was at best moral snobbery. I clearly said ‘a man or a woman ‘ meaning that I believe both men and women have the right to choose who to form long term relationships with, even if they set the bar on something as silly as past sexual activity.
Yeah dealing with social stigma can’t be hysterical, but I wouldn’t call it hard, not more than bullying when you were a child. I think as people become more sure of themselves, less malleable social stigma stops mattering.
I assume the Wizards are what used to be the basketball team, back when there was basketball? Or is it a term somewhere in the alpha-beta-shin-yetch paradigm?
I would totally date a wizard. “Hey honey, my feet are kind of cold, could you help out?” BOOM! Warming spell.
That’s interesting, Ullere, because this study…
http://jech.bmj.com/content/59/9/749.long
…puts the median rate of paternal discrepancy at 3.7%, and the median rate for disputed paternity tests at 26.9%
Also, that PDF you linked talks specifically about unstated paternity among members of the First Nations, who number about 700,000, not Canada in general, the population of which is 31,612,897.
‘Rates vary between studies from 0.8% to 30%’
I guess it’s a pretty hard to study phenomenon, short of making dna tests compulsory at birth
a range of 29.2% is pretty broad.
‘While this is not a measure of population prevalence it does suggest the widely used (but unsubstantiated) figure of 10% PD21 may be an overestimate for most populations’
It is interesting that the canadiancrc article put the bare minimum at 10%, again with mandatory dna tests the problem woud be solved.
Thanks for the link.
I last had sex with a 21-year-old in 1989, and haven’t slept with anyone under 35 since 1992.
By choice.
The only one who was a virgin was the 21-year-old, with the others all running the gamut from very to extremely experienced.
Believe me, it showed – and explains why I’ve tended to favor women of 35 plus.
Isn’t life grand when you don’t have stupid hangups about “market value” and the notion that women are completely past it at 27?
I would not date a wizard because if we had an argument he might turn me into something unpleasant. I quite like frogs, but I really wouldn’t want to be a beetle.
Yeesh, I didn’t at all think about transformations. I might have to reconsider.
By the by, I’m a University student and my boyfriend is 14 years older than me. He’s also much more financially stable than I am, as you might expect. So I guess I’m exactly the kind of cock carousel riding floozy PhillyBoy81 is so disgusted by (and yet, apparently, totally willing to sleep with- -the young ones, anyway). The thing is, we relate to each other as people. I appreciate him for reasons other than his wallet, he appreciates me for reasons other than my young body. We probably won’t get married, not because he’s going to use me up like the sucker I am, leaving me desperate and unmarriagable, but because it’s pretty unlikely that I’ll end up with the person I’m dating in my early 20s. So I’ll either find someone who isn’t horrified that I have a sexual history and enter into an equal partnership with them (which is to say, not use them for money and babiez), or I’ll be single, which is okay because I have the ability to earn a damn income.
Oh, and by the way? My experience of different financial statuses in a relationship is not “Will you send me to Tahiti in exchange for sex?” “Yeah, okay!” It’s “Let’s do things together that we can both afford and enjoy, including sex!” “Yeah, okay!”