Men’s Rights site A Voice for Men offers $1000 “bounty” for personal information on Swedish feminists
A Voice for Men, one of the most influential and popular Men’s Rights websites, is now offering a $1000 “bounty” for anyone able to track down the personal information of several Swedish women involved in a tasteless video advertising a theater production based on Valarie Solanas’ SCUM manifesto. As the anonymous poster calling himself John the Other – the second-in-command at AVfM – put it in a posting yesterday (emphasis in original):
We are asking for the full legal names, home addresses, places of employment, email addresses and contact phone numbers of the women and man who produced and starred in the video described above. We will pay 1000 dollars to any individual who provides and confirms this information, to be paid either directly to themselves or to a charity of their choice.
John explains that this information will be posted on the AVfM-affiliated site Register-Her.com, an “offenders database” that is being used to vilify individual feminists and “Fuck Their Shit Up,” as AVfM head honcho Paul Elam likes to put it. John notes that Regsiter-Her.com also intends to post the “government identification numbers [and] drivers licences” of the women they are able to identify.
John admits plainly that posting such information may put the physical safety of these women at risk from vigilante violence. As he puts it (emphasis mine):
Some individuals may criticize the intent to publish not only names, but also addresses, phone numbers, employers and other personal information – on the grounds that such exposure create a risk of retributive violence against individuals who openly advocate murder based on sex. It is the considered position of the editorial board of AVfM that any such risks are out-weighed by the ongoing hazard to the public of these individuals continuing to operate in anonymity.
The comments posted on the article at AVfM suggest that such “retributive” violence is a real possibility. Indeed, here’s the very first comment (which currently has 17 upvotes from readers of the site):
A commenter called Xnomolos, in another upvoted comment, adds:
i would love to hunt down these women myself.
JinnBottle responds to this comment by advising “all men to start carrying guns.”
The commenters on AVfM have already uncovered the identities of all of the women involved in the video. The blogger Fidelbogen has been the most active internet detective so far.
There is no question that the video itself is offensive, and designed to provoke. You can see it here; I’m not going to embed it on this site. If you don’t want to watch it: it depicts a young woman shooting a man in the head for no reason. Afterwards the woman and her gleeful, giggling accomplices do a victory dance, then lick the blood from the dead man’s head. A message at the end urges viewers to “Do Your Part.”
Every feminist I know who has seen the video has been appalled by it. I’m appalled by it. It’s hateful, and it’s wrong.
But John the Other, and the other commenters on AVfM, claim that it is more than this: that that the video of the staged murder, intended to provide publicity for a theater production based on Solanas’ notorious SCUM manifesto, is quite literally an open call for the murder of men. As John the Other puts it:
Open advocation of murder cannot be allowed in a civil society, without that society devolving into a culture of brutal violence.
Evidently he has no problem with, or has somehow not noticed, the comments on AVfM fantasizing about shooting and killing the women involved in the video.
Is the video a literal call to murder? Is it, as one AVfM commenter puts it, evidence of a “conspiracy to commit mass murder?” No. Violence and murder have been dramatized in the theater since its beginnings. No one accuses Sophocles of advocating fratricide and incest, though both are dealt with in his play Oedipus Rex. No one accuses Shakespeare of advocating mass murder, though many of his most famous plays have body counts that put many horror films to shame.
Does the tag line at the end of the video – “do your part” – transform the video from a depiction of murder into an open call for it? No. The “threat,” such as it is, is vague; it’s not aimed at any specific individuals. It might be seen as akin to someone wearing a t-shirt that says “kill ‘em all, let God sort them out” – tasteless and offensive, but not a literal threat. “Kill ‘Em All” is actually the name of Metallica’s first album. While a lot of people see James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich et al as pompous idiots, they have not been jailed for conspiracy to commit mass murder. That would be ridiculous.
Someone claiming to have been involved in the SCUM-inspired theatrical production in question has posted several detailed comments on AVfM, explaining that those involved in the production are “not out to get you” and that the video itself was “meant as a viral “wtf?!” to give attention to both the questions that it raises and the play itself.”
By contrast, AVfM is targeting specific individuals, and intends to offer information that would allow anyone intent on doing them harm to quite literally track them to their homes and workplaces. Those fantasizing about killing these woman are not simply making a joke along the lines of “women, can’t live with ‘em; can’t kill ‘em.” They are fantasizing about killing real people, and providing would-be evil-doers maps to their doors.
AVfM is an American site, in English; these specific women live in Sweden. While it is a real possibility, it seems unlikely that anyone reading the site will literally find and murder any of those involved in the SCUM production. At least I hope that this does not come to pass.
I don’t believe that either Paul Elam or John the Other literally wants any feminist to be killed. The real intent behind AVfM’s publishing people’s personal information, it seems clear, is to intimidate feminist writers and activists into shutting up, to make clear that if they post something that offends the internet vigilantes at AVfM they will face the possibility of some deranged individual quite literally showing up at their door intent on doing them harm.
Paul Elam and John the Other claim that they’re not advocating violence. But they are playing a dangerous game here. If some deranged individual, inspired by the hyperbolic anti-feminist rhetoric on AVfM, and armed with information provided by “Register-Her.com,” murders or otherwise harms a feminist blogger or activist or video maker, Elam and his enablers will have blood on their hands. As will those MRAs who continue to publicly support and/or link to AVfM and/or Register-Her.com.
This is not the way a legitimate rights group deals with those who disagree with them. This is what hate groups do.
Posted on November 21, 2011, in antifeminism, misandry, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, threats, violence against men/women. Bookmark the permalink. 884 Comments.








@hellkell: No fun? Well then…that’s your problem.
@Dracula: I don’t even own a camera.
Um, dear…they’re making fun of you.
@voip
brandon has a +3 cloak of smarm that grants him protection against context clues
So what? You telling me you couldn’t afford it? Cameras aren’t that expensive. You don’t have to go high-end just to violate someone’s privacy. You had the whole thing planned out, but “I don’t already own a camera.” is enough to stop you?
David Futrelle–for the love of..whomever, would you PLEASE fucking ban Brandon already? He contributes nothing of worth to any of these discussions, is perpetually obnoxious and insulting and has NO respect for anything that doesn’t have a penis, and is obviously too STUPID to acknowledge any criticism with anything other than derogatory remarks (“retarded”? You hateful son-of-a-bitch, go fuck your mother). He makes me sick, and he needs to go YESTERDAY. Brandon, you shut your fucking mouth and speak with RESPECT to these people, you fucktard.
Ok, done…..thanks for lettin’ me vent, y’all.
But Brandon, in another thread, you had no problems with taping someone. No one said you had a camera, stop being so literal.
@Voip: They aren’t doing a very good job. Since I seem fairly content with taking everything they say literally just to fuck with them.
yeah brandon, there could be as many as five false rape accusation plots currently being worked up against you. you should take your protection more seriously.
HA, you’re pretending to be literal? I don’t think you’re that smart, and your body of work supports me.
@10G: HAHAHAHA…you want me to be respectful to people that are calling me every name in the book. Sure…ok. Would you like me to chop of my balls too?
I respect things that don’t have a penis: nature, wild animals…oh and women that AREN’T feminists.
brandon, this thread is already replete with instances of you getting all defensive and huffy-puffy in response to our lighthearted ribbing. if you are going to lie, you should do so less conspicuously.
also:
I am agnostic so I don’t give one rats ass about Jesus or the retarded notion of god.
Yes Brandon-that way we ensure that there will be no little Brandons running around if Ashley ever becomes a real girl.
I respect things that don’t have a penis: nature, wild animals…oh and women that AREN’T feminists.
the fuck?
And also – “Would you like me to chop of my balls too?”
If you can figure out how to chop “of” your balls then sure, I guess, if you find that kind of thing appealing.
@Sharculese: I concede… since you clearly know what my mental state is at all times when I post comments here.
Re: Brandon’s life story
remember when brandon totally wanted to be a feminist but got all tantrummy because we said he couldnt be Boss Feminist. good times.
@darkkitten: I do love me some Invader Zim. Jhonen Vasquez is funny as hell since his stuff is so wildly absurd.
All wild animals have penises? Shit, you learn something new every damn day.
Oh, noes, Brandon doesn’t respect me. Whatever shall I doooooooooooooooooo?
That’s interesting that you waited until my comment to clarify that, then.
But yeah, I think I’m ready now to stop talking about how much of a liar you are and join everyone else in talking about your many, many other flaws.
Looooool
Also, is it me or is his command of orthography and syntax…decaying? Maybe I was right all along, and he’s Skynet or something. The poster known as “Brandon” is only its fleshy avatar.
DSC, you are a person of good taste.
(=.=)b
No, none of them do.
NWO has said that he wants women to be rape slaves and that eight year old girls are oversexualized and asking for it. I was speaking about his views.
Oh, DON’T have a penis. Still, what the fuck?
@hellkell: What…I wasn’t really paying attention since I am watching the south park episode eat pray queef. Funny shit.
DSC, he’s calling you girly names, oh noez. This is ’cause chicks are gross.
Also, nonfeminist women are things. Awesome!
just to be clear: brandon, despite not having a stake in the fight and only being here for the entertainment value, has so much hostility towards feminism that he cant pass up a single opportunity to insult feminist women, and even the the best he can do is ‘feminist women have dicks’, and even then he screws that up.
thats the thing that happened?
Guys, guys, guys! Brandon watches South Park! And! He cusses!
Man, I remember when watching South Park was edgy. I was like five at the time.
It’s funny how Brandon loves to remind us that he thinks feminism has useful ideas and that he uses some of them himself, but he doesn’t respect feminists at all apparently.
Yup. Also, on an entirely unrelated note, I want a pet hyena now.
“remember when brandon totally wanted to be a feminist but got all tantrummy because we said he couldnt be Boss Feminist. good times.”
Anyone have a link to the tantrum?
did anybody doubt for a second that brandon watched south park?
OMG, he’s so edgy!
@Hornet: Everything is a thing…I am a thing, you are a thing, my wallet is a thing.
If he doesn’t respect feminists, why be here? He’s not imparting any wisdom that can’t be found on your average Youtube channel comment section.
it was as sure as the prediction he’d brag about it
Brandon, did your daddy call you “champ”?
@cassandra
it was a while back and im not gonna look for it but basically brandon was going on about all these awesome ideas to improve feminism that basically involved putting him in charge and making it more about his needs, and then he flipped out when everyone told him no
Bee, you got called Hornet! He’s really fucking with us now!
Nicely done.
You have to love how he specified that he was watching the queefing episode. Why bother watching the ones that aren’t explicitely about mocking women, after all? Those ones are no fun.
@hellkell
He’s not imparting any wisdom that can’t be found on your average Youtube channel comment section.
I am agnostic so I don’t give one rats ass about Jesus or the retarded notion of god.
@Landline: Ya, my father called me brandon.
And I have a high IQ.
@Sharculese: I remember that, it was hilarious. “FEMINISM ISN’T ABOUT EQUALITY IF IT DOESN’T PRIORITIZE MY COCK” was the thrust of the argument.
FTR all puns in my posts are intended.
@AlexandraSays: Well, that part where Martha Stewart puts construction paper in her pussy and queefs it all out in a “stunning display” is just hysterical.
It’s a good thing!
There, there, Brandi, calm down.
Shandon, have you been drinking?
Trust me Rutee, I don’t want to have sex with feminists. It would be terrible. So I am not saying they should prioritize anything.
hellkell:
What are the odds that when Slavey sees polls he disagrees with he rejects them on the grounds that “they nver asked me“?
bionicmommy:
That’s only obvious if you think the justice system is supposed to work the same way for men and women.
Brandon:
The very fact that you treated it as a serious statement of fact rather than a random dig speaks to a childish literalism.
Brandon:
They do say the easiest enemy to defeat is one that doesn’t know they’re at war.
“Evidently he has no problem with, or has somehow not noticed, the comments on AVfM fantasizing about shooting and killing the women involved in the video.” Liar Futrelle
You are one warped psycopath, the call is for these evil women’s ideology and advocating violence to be exposed, if they are happy to publish their hatred on youtube ( whose terms of use it breaches) then why should they fear having their employers, families or others konw what they are openly advocating? Be good little feminists and display the courage of your convictions to the world or post your crap privately.
katz: You went to one of the Pomona Colleges? Cool beans.
You know someone’s run out of legitimate arguments when all they can do for a comeback is mess up their opponents’ names.
Wait, I take that back. Brandon’s never had legitimate arguments.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The burn! It’s burny!
Funny. I’m a person, of course. Brandon, please understand that playing stupid only really works when you’re not, in fact, stupid. Might want to try another ploy.
@Hershey: I am very well aware that you are all digging on me. I find it mildly amusing. What is funnier is that I am well aware that my answers are overly literal and you think I am being serious.
If the “gender war” actually went violent, It would be the end of feminism.
it might be neat if he was at least putting some effort into it, but changing ‘cassandra’ to ‘alexandra’. what is that?
Except for the part where it would be the tiny number of MRA nutcases against all feminists and other women and all sane men?
@Waspy: Then be a person…like I give a shit.
brandon, it’s not actually any less lame if youre only pretending to be an obtuse creep for attention
@Lauralot: Well see. But if civil war broke out in the US, the last thing people would be worrying about is abortion, equal wages and “personhood”.
i trolled the comment section of a blog with a bunch of rambling nonsense for like three hours. take that feminism?
Aw, I’m not special enough for him to fuck up my name.
It wouldn’t be a civil war. It would be a handful of nutjobs against the entire rest of the country.
But if civil war broke out in the US, the last thing people would be worrying about is abortion, equal wages and “personhood”.
yeah, i mean the us never had a civil war to defend anyones rights or humanity before. that totally did not happen.
Bored those feminists to death!
Hooray, it’s everyone’s favorite game! Say stupid shit, then say it’s all just a joke!
Yo Brandon, word to the wise. People can only know you by what you say on here. If all you say is stupid shit, it doesn’t matter what you’re like in real life. On here, you are an idiot. Now, if you were to suddenly stop saying stupid shit… perhaps then your claims of wit would be more plausible.
It’s cute how he thinks that a few thousand guys, at a generous estimate, could create civil war. That would take, what, maybe one military regiment to crush?
It really didn’t. The South was ultra concerned with keeping its slaves, but the North was not really fighting to free them either. It was more the captive markets, cheap cotton, etc.
We’re talking about men’s rights idiots. An actual movement that was that small? Sure, there are people who would actually believe in their cause and maybe even fight for it. This is more like a hundred cops, tops, and then just to make sure everyone got to jail.