Men’s Rights site A Voice for Men offers $1000 “bounty” for personal information on Swedish feminists
A Voice for Men, one of the most influential and popular Men’s Rights websites, is now offering a $1000 “bounty” for anyone able to track down the personal information of several Swedish women involved in a tasteless video advertising a theater production based on Valarie Solanas’ SCUM manifesto. As the anonymous poster calling himself John the Other – the second-in-command at AVfM – put it in a posting yesterday (emphasis in original):
We are asking for the full legal names, home addresses, places of employment, email addresses and contact phone numbers of the women and man who produced and starred in the video described above. We will pay 1000 dollars to any individual who provides and confirms this information, to be paid either directly to themselves or to a charity of their choice.
John explains that this information will be posted on the AVfM-affiliated site Register-Her.com, an “offenders database” that is being used to vilify individual feminists and “Fuck Their Shit Up,” as AVfM head honcho Paul Elam likes to put it. John notes that Regsiter-Her.com also intends to post the “government identification numbers [and] drivers licences” of the women they are able to identify.
John admits plainly that posting such information may put the physical safety of these women at risk from vigilante violence. As he puts it (emphasis mine):
Some individuals may criticize the intent to publish not only names, but also addresses, phone numbers, employers and other personal information – on the grounds that such exposure create a risk of retributive violence against individuals who openly advocate murder based on sex. It is the considered position of the editorial board of AVfM that any such risks are out-weighed by the ongoing hazard to the public of these individuals continuing to operate in anonymity.
The comments posted on the article at AVfM suggest that such “retributive” violence is a real possibility. Indeed, here’s the very first comment (which currently has 17 upvotes from readers of the site):
A commenter called Xnomolos, in another upvoted comment, adds:
i would love to hunt down these women myself.
JinnBottle responds to this comment by advising “all men to start carrying guns.”
The commenters on AVfM have already uncovered the identities of all of the women involved in the video. The blogger Fidelbogen has been the most active internet detective so far.
There is no question that the video itself is offensive, and designed to provoke. You can see it here; I’m not going to embed it on this site. If you don’t want to watch it: it depicts a young woman shooting a man in the head for no reason. Afterwards the woman and her gleeful, giggling accomplices do a victory dance, then lick the blood from the dead man’s head. A message at the end urges viewers to “Do Your Part.”
Every feminist I know who has seen the video has been appalled by it. I’m appalled by it. It’s hateful, and it’s wrong.
But John the Other, and the other commenters on AVfM, claim that it is more than this: that that the video of the staged murder, intended to provide publicity for a theater production based on Solanas’ notorious SCUM manifesto, is quite literally an open call for the murder of men. As John the Other puts it:
Open advocation of murder cannot be allowed in a civil society, without that society devolving into a culture of brutal violence.
Evidently he has no problem with, or has somehow not noticed, the comments on AVfM fantasizing about shooting and killing the women involved in the video.
Is the video a literal call to murder? Is it, as one AVfM commenter puts it, evidence of a “conspiracy to commit mass murder?” No. Violence and murder have been dramatized in the theater since its beginnings. No one accuses Sophocles of advocating fratricide and incest, though both are dealt with in his play Oedipus Rex. No one accuses Shakespeare of advocating mass murder, though many of his most famous plays have body counts that put many horror films to shame.
Does the tag line at the end of the video – “do your part” – transform the video from a depiction of murder into an open call for it? No. The “threat,” such as it is, is vague; it’s not aimed at any specific individuals. It might be seen as akin to someone wearing a t-shirt that says “kill ‘em all, let God sort them out” – tasteless and offensive, but not a literal threat. “Kill ‘Em All” is actually the name of Metallica’s first album. While a lot of people see James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich et al as pompous idiots, they have not been jailed for conspiracy to commit mass murder. That would be ridiculous.
Someone claiming to have been involved in the SCUM-inspired theatrical production in question has posted several detailed comments on AVfM, explaining that those involved in the production are “not out to get you” and that the video itself was “meant as a viral “wtf?!” to give attention to both the questions that it raises and the play itself.”
By contrast, AVfM is targeting specific individuals, and intends to offer information that would allow anyone intent on doing them harm to quite literally track them to their homes and workplaces. Those fantasizing about killing these woman are not simply making a joke along the lines of “women, can’t live with ‘em; can’t kill ‘em.” They are fantasizing about killing real people, and providing would-be evil-doers maps to their doors.
AVfM is an American site, in English; these specific women live in Sweden. While it is a real possibility, it seems unlikely that anyone reading the site will literally find and murder any of those involved in the SCUM production. At least I hope that this does not come to pass.
I don’t believe that either Paul Elam or John the Other literally wants any feminist to be killed. The real intent behind AVfM’s publishing people’s personal information, it seems clear, is to intimidate feminist writers and activists into shutting up, to make clear that if they post something that offends the internet vigilantes at AVfM they will face the possibility of some deranged individual quite literally showing up at their door intent on doing them harm.
Paul Elam and John the Other claim that they’re not advocating violence. But they are playing a dangerous game here. If some deranged individual, inspired by the hyperbolic anti-feminist rhetoric on AVfM, and armed with information provided by “Register-Her.com,” murders or otherwise harms a feminist blogger or activist or video maker, Elam and his enablers will have blood on their hands. As will those MRAs who continue to publicly support and/or link to AVfM and/or Register-Her.com.
This is not the way a legitimate rights group deals with those who disagree with them. This is what hate groups do.
Posted on November 21, 2011, in antifeminism, misandry, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, threats, violence against men/women. Bookmark the permalink. 884 Comments.
I’d also like to see an example of Elam saying his politics give him a hard on. I think that’s bull.
I just realized what I’m sure you’ve all known for a while: Slavey isn’t actually trying to communicate specific ideas. He calls out words and phrases for their sound, to make feminists sound vaguely mencaing and horrible, but it doesn’t actually matter what, say, “Title IX” actually is. The point of al his rambling is to make feminists evil and MRAs reasonable and fair, with “sound” being the key word here.
It’s the ultimate in marketing. Bernays would be proud.
mags:
Manboobzers have been criticizing and condemning the video for weeks. WTF?
This is a slightly different rhetorical technique than saying thinhgs that are absolutely true in a sarcastic tone of voice, but it’s not exactly strawmanning either. But I will say I can’t think of any feminists who have expressed unqualified support for offender registries, and certainly none who have expressed support for putting people on registries who haven’t done anything predatory. On the contrary, every feminst I’ve seen express an opinion on registries has been opposed to them in their current form, if not across the board.
But you didn’t come out and say otherwise, so you still get to deny strawmanning just in case there’s anyone stupid enough to believe you.
Brandon:
The attitude that … men are pretty ok, as long as they’re not hateful? Why should men “flock away from” that message?
Lauralot:
Since I only read the book, it seems to me creating it for him would defeat the purpose.
As far as I recall in the book, the only reason the Vortex didn’t work on Zaphod is because he was currently in an artificial universe created for him. The Vortex’s creator originally invented the machine to prove his wife wrong, but despite being created for her, it didn’t show her as important.
@thebionicmommy
Even though Dave continually silences me, while giving the privileged sex free reign to call me/men every name in the book. I’ll try once again to open your eyes to the true enemy. This is a quote from WHO, the world health organisation, (such a lovely name), which you’ve so nicely dubbed the mrm distortion of information.
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“Women’s Use of Violence”
“Men and women’s use of violence tend to be distinct, too. Women may use violence to show anger, to get attention or to retaliate for emotional hurt or a history of physical abuse. Women often use violence in self-defense or to escape. Moreover, women tend to use violence to control a situation.
Men tend to use violence to control a woman. Thus, this control is used on a continuous basis.
Another difference is where the injury is inflicted. When women harm men, the effects are typically visible: a bite mark, a scratch mark, etc. When men hurt women, the placement may be hidden: bruises on the ribs, strangulation, etc.
Lastly, men are more likely to minimize or deny their violence. Women more readily admit to their use of violence.”
Note how women use violence because they’re forced into it, defense and escape. Men however use violence as a means of control. What’s the difference between a man/woman hitting? They both hit to “control.” Also note the injury method, women leave marks when they hit, men clandestinely try to hide their violence, (to continue their controlling behavior?). Finally, women admit their use of violence while men deny or minimize it.
From the why, to the how, to the confession of violence, women are portrayed as good victims, even if they commit the violence. Men however, aren’t afforded such leniency, they are evil. This is WHO, The World Health Organisation reporting this.
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Next up is WHOs statistics on violence
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“The National Violence Against Women (VAW) Survey, sponsored by the CDC and the US National Institute of Justice and based on a representative sample of 8,000 men and 8,000 women in the US, estimates that 4.8 million rapes and physical assaults are committed against women in the US every year”
Where do these 16k people come from for this study? Did they take 8k men who have assaulted? Did the women initiate the assault? Are they random assaults? Did the women participate? Be that as it may, we’ll go with their estimates. If 4.8 million rapes/assaults are perpetrated every year in 30 years roughly every woman will be raped/assaulted, in 60 years, (a lifetime), every woman will be raped/assaulted twice.
Further, WHO has confirmed on many occasions that 90% of rapes/assaults of women go unreported. This 90% is seperate from the, “known” reported rapes/assaults listed above. That means every woman in the US will be raped/assaulted 20 times in her lifetime.
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WHO also gave us the “swine flu pandemic.” The report was done by WHO pharmaceutical companies who also make the vaccine. You’re 11 x more likely to die from the regular flu than the swine flu. Yet the regular flu isn’t a pandemic.
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WHO gave us global warming, of which it is out that the expert is a 20 year old beatnik and a bunch of students in the Ivory Tower. Every scientist associated with the scam has distanced themselves. You can buy the book online.
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Now I realize I’m the bad man for daring to question the feminist propaganda machine. I just can’t seem to help myself after reading a report from WHO, which actually supports female violence against men, or at least excuses it, yet condemns men for the slightest affront against the privileged class.
Read the statement “Women’s Use of Violence” I listed above again, which I copied directly from the WHO site. This is the UN/WHO official stance on the matter. Only the gender in power could possibly write such hatred as an official position. The question is? What are you going to do about it?
@Naira
I think it was ithiliana who said yesterday that MRAs are basically attempting a form of gaslighting in the way they “argue”, and I think your point goes along very nicely with that. Because they really do want their words to carry implicit threats, but if you call them on it, they will insist that “they never said that” and that feminists are the crazy/non-logical/whatever ones for “reading stuff into” their language and behavior. MRAs for the most part aren’t using their arguments at the level of genuinely believing in the truth of their content. I.e. they don’t actually care about what’s best for men, and aren’t arguing against feminism because they genuinely believe it causes harm to men and/or women. Their language is all stuff that has the function of trying to back feminists into corners or wear down/intimidate women and to basically destabilize anyone who supports women rather than to shore up support for men.
It reminds me of how a lot of “pro-life” arguments end up being about punishing women for sexual behavior, or having the function of pushing public dialogue and policy in that direction, rather than actually being about whether terminating a fetus is morally wrong due to the fetus having some sort of moral claim to continued life. It’s primarily an attempt to rationalize already-present hatred of or bitterness towards women in the MRA case and an attempt to rationalize already-present conservative sexual mores in the anti-abortion case. (I think somebody also brought up a similar point a bit ago.)
“I just realized what I’m sure you’ve all known for a while: Slavey isn’t actually trying to communicate specific ideas. He calls out words and phrases for their sound, to make feminists sound vaguely mencaing and horrible, but it doesn’t actually matter what, say, “Title IX” actually is. The point of al his rambling is to make feminists evil and MRAs reasonable and fair, with “sound” being the key word here.
It’s the ultimate in marketing. Bernays would be proud.”
I think we are on the same wavelength, Hershele. :)
@Kladle,
I think I remember that comment you’re thinking of. I agree completely. Gaslighting itself very much relies on the interpretability of words and meanings as a means for abusing/confusing/hurting another. Cruel statements suddenly become “just a joke” and any kind of protest is “crazy talk” or “taking it too seriously” (because it was just a joke, of course). White is black. Up is down. We were always at war with Eastasia.
And the biggest problem is that so much of the fluidity of meaning is so friggin’ hard to pin down. There’s a lot of cues that do not come across on the internet that are otherwise vital to interpreting meaning. Tone of voice, facial expressions, gestures, and the relationship between the speakers are either not present or quite obscured. The MRAs are definitely using this to their advantage. And even in face-to-face interaction, knowing EXACTLY what someone’s intent is behind a particular comment can be very difficult to interpret. So, “you’re ascribing intentions I don’t have” can easily crop up.
@kladle
“I just realized what I’m sure you’ve all known for a while: Slavey isn’t actually trying to communicate specific ideas.”
The idea I’m trying to communicate is how gullible everyone of you are, which is why you cling so dearly to a hate movement. You simply believe the most hateful propaganda to justify your hatred, which is why everyone of you stick up for those precious Sewdish feminists. Here’s WHOs official site, to help the world. I typed in domestic violence.
http://search.who.int/search?q=domestic+violence&ie=utf8&site=default_collection&client=_en&proxystylesheet=_en&output=xml_no_dtd&oe=UTF-8&ip=174.60.14.22&access=p&sort=date:D:L:d1&entqr=3&entsp=a&lr=lang_en&ud=1&start=0
There’s 2490 results and all are the same. Women, of course. Each, “study” is as useless, convoluted and biased as the next. The third from the bottom states…. “At least one out of every three women around the world has been beaten, coerced into sex, or otherwise abused in her lifetime”
Now the study given to me by thebionicmommy calculated out to every woman assaulted/raped 2x in her life in the US, and that’s just the “known” ones. So out of the known ones women in the US are 6x as likey to be beaten/raped as say the Congo, or Nigeria, or anywhere else in the world.
Every link is about women with the occasional child throw in as a victim of mens violence. Although on 100% factual numbers, women are far more likely to be child abusers. And women are also 70% of non-recipricol DV. This is a fact. Further, men will do more damage in DV, But that doesn’t mean men initiated the fight. If I, a man, initiate a fight with another man and lose, I am still the initiator and at fault. Just because you lose a fight, doesn’t mean you didn’t start it.
There is no doubt women initiate their fair share of DV. Just because you lose, doesn’t mean it isn’t your fault. Have a good look at the UN/WHO site. You’ll notice a prevailing theme. Are you really that gullible? Or is womens violence justified? Are they taking control of a “situation” where as men are controlling women?
There are NO words, no matter how genuinely hateful, that make it okay. That’s simply not how you respond to speech–ANY speech.
This is what I getting at with my “Not how grown-ups settle their differences.” comment that NWOslave so gleefully distorted. Thank you, Holly, for articulating it better than I did.
@Lauralot
I’m not wanting to rush to NWO’s defense, but I do believe this site has a policy against misrepresenting a persons arguements and stance.
‘Grossly misrepresenting another person’s argument, or simply lying about them, will get you a warning, and I may put you on moderation; persist and you will get a temporary or permanent ban’
‘normal men don’t want all women to be made into rape slaves. Normal men don’t want to rape eight year old girls, no matter how “sexualized” their swimwear is. Normal men don’t want to be associated with you, which is why your “movement” is nothing more than some loud misogynists trolling Internet comments’ You appear to be implying that the MRM want all women to be rape slaves and to rape 8 year olds, while you may not agree with the MRM or the need for the MRM I don’t think thats what the MRM stand for, however if you have evidence to the contrary please link it.
NWO, no one cares about your “THERE ARE SPIDERS IN MY TOOTHPASTE BECAUSE FEMINISM” crap in this thread. They’re putting bounties on specific women for acting in a fictional video.
And they’re using people like you, by the way. The MRM’s “leaders” are shameless about whipping up paranoid people, flattering them for repeating MRA talking points and trying to use the paranoid and evil to boost the egos and do the dirty work of the merely evil. You want to really take a red pill? Realize how much people like Paul Elam get off on manipulating people like you. You’re nothing but a flying monkey to him. He wants to have a little personal army of trolls, and to him, you’re a prime recruit.
The MRM doesn’t want to help men. They’re not spending $1000 on a men’s shelter, men’s charity, men’s legal defense fund, or even on creating good publicity for themselves. The only thing they know how to do is attack women.
If you decide to make yourself a little lapdog of the MRAs, you’ll never see any reward for it. You’re just helping Paul Elam and other MRA “leaders” feel like big, big men while they secretly laugh at what a ridiculous little follower you are.
Eoghan has now put up a couple of bullshitty posts about us all on his blog. They are based on some pretty big untruths. I would say that they are lies, but I think Eoghan’s brain is so warped that actually believes what he is saying is true.
Here he’s decided that we all “tacitly support” the SCUM video (despite the fact that we’ve all condemned it):
http://acatalogueoflies.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/manboobz-and-supporters-give-tacit-approval-of-radical-feminist-anti-male-hate-propaganda-scum-being-taught-to-high-school-children/
And here’s his completely backward, Bizarro-world misinterpretation/misrepresentation of Holly’s “slavering rapist” post:
http://acatalogueoflies.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/feminist-blogger-that-promotes-the-idea-that-women-should-be-afraid-of-men-makes-a-false-accusation/
It’s this sort of shit (repeated over and over again) that is why he’s banned on this blog.
NWO, if you want to know the specifics of the National Violence Against Women survey, you could always put the words “National Violence Against Women survey” into Google.
Here are the first two results:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/183781.pdf
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/172837.pdf
The researchers explain the methodology in detail.
You could also reread my “debate” with Elam on DV, in which I discuss the survey, and correct a rather silly misinterpretation/misrepresentation of its results by Mr. Elam.
I don’t know why I bother. The chances of slavey reading any of these things is about the same as the chances that monkeys will fly out of my ass and make me lunch.
Assmonkeys who cook? Where can I sign up for this?
On a slightly more serious note, can we just get rid of NWO entirely?
I think Elam does some good for the MRM, although I will admit to being a bit disillusioned by him. I was really into the idea of RH.com- bringing to light the wimminz who got away with crimes for having vaginas. But then he starts putting random people on there for being “bigots” and it’s like, immature much? Sure, I dislike Marcotte, but she’s not a criminal, and Valenti is actually okay (for a feminist bitch). And then people like that woman blogger… I think he’s destroying the site’s credibility and effectiveness by making it a political circlejerk. I said as much to him, in pretty much those words, on Reddit, but he didn’t agree with me. It’s his site and all that, but I just don’t think he’s handling it right.
Shorter Eoghan: “How dare you say women are afraid of men! I’d better respond to that with intimidation!”
I’m sort of ticked that he straight-up lied about me, but I’m sure all zero of his readers will immediately leap into action, so whatever. It makes the “A Catalogue of Lies” title pretty funny.
On a slightly more serious note, can we just get rid of NWO entirely?
Seconded. He derails every thread he shows up in with his tedious bullshit. Spouts the same fucking slogans endlessly without contributing a damn thing.
At least MRAL can sort of see where/when he’s gone off the rails. NWO, not so much.
“A catalogue of lies”? Yes, I suppose it is, Eoghan.
Or, like, confine him to Designated NWO Threads somehow. It’s fun sometimes on a light fluffy thread to play the “corner NWO into admitting he doesn’t believe in knowledge itself” game, but it’s incredibly tedious when he tries to play that game when people are trying to actually discuss the OP.
As bad as he is at reasoning, he’s very good at derailing with his left field “OH YEAH WELL TITLE IX” crap, and it would be nice if he wasn’t allowed to do so when we have other things to talk about.
Oh but Nwo is hillarious. That is when he doesn’t make you want to kill yourself, as you realize the depths the human race can plummet.
I’ve stated numerous times in my comments that I don’t condone that video and think it’s disgusting and so has everyone else. This type of shit really ticks me off. Fucking liars.
Agreed.
David Futrelle:
I wonder if people follow his links (assuming people read his blog). I wonder how (or if) they perceive the difference for what the links say and what Eoghan says they say. Does Holly’s blog look different to someone who goes in “knowing” she’s condemning all men indiscriminantly and advocating violence against people who have the temerity to be male?
The MRM doesn’t want to help men. They’re not spending $1000 on a men’s shelter, men’s charity, men’s legal defense fund, or even on creating good publicity for themselves. The only thing they know how to do is attack women.
uh, patrick leahy’s intern did have to read a whole bunch of angry e-mails. that was some Serious Fucking Activism.
Hershele – Based on my site analytics…. so far I have two hits from his site. Both of them are from the same person.
…Who may be Eoghan testing his links.
Even though Dave continually silences me, while giving the privileged sex free reign to call me/men every name in the book.
owlslave if you were really being ‘silenced’ then your posts wouldnt be getting let out of moderation. youre just in time out until you remember how to have a conversation without attacking anyone.
You know what? I’m for banning NWO too. He’s just not interesting enough to keep arguing with, given that he’s just saying the same thing over and over again, and he refuses to stay on topic. I feel like we’re essentially just giving him a bigger platform on which to babble than he could achieve by himself.
@David Futrelle
Dave, why is the smallest study every done the yardstick by which DV is measured? This 8k study is the same study thebionicmommy sent as a link.
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?menu=c10400&no=383404&rel_no=1
Which included this…
“Women’s Use of Violence”
“Men and women’s use of violence tend to be distinct, too. Women may use violence to show anger, to get attention or to retaliate for emotional hurt or a history of physical abuse. Women often use violence in self-defense or to escape. Moreover, women tend to use violence to control a situation.
Men tend to use violence to control a woman. Thus, this control is used on a continuous basis.
Another difference is where the injury is inflicted. When women harm men, the effects are typically visible: a bite mark, a scratch mark, etc. When men hurt women, the placement may be hidden: bruises on the ribs, strangulation, etc.
Lastly, men are more likely to minimize or deny their violence. Women more readily admit to their use of violence.”
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Have you ever heard anything as biased as this crap?
The largest study ever done was in Atlanta which showed conclusively women commit 70% of non-recipricol DV and initiated the DV more often. It also showed when the DV was recipricol women sustained more damage. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t ititiate the altercation. Just because you lose a fight doesn’t mean you aren’t the initiator and at fault.
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Everyone in the world, and I do mean the world, references this 1 study. The UN uses it. The US uses it. Who were these 8k women they asked? Were they in a DV shelter? What were the parameters? I’ve read the link you provided. 8k isn’t even considered a village.
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Also the studies you gave, and I use that term very loosely, are all done by women advocates, women advocate groups, and women. Janet Reno, Mary Lou Leary, Julie E. Samuels, Patricia Tjaden, Nancy Thoennes.
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Why not just cruise over to radfem and ask those gems about DV. I doubt they can do much worse then, women are violent because their emotionally hurt or escape or to control the situation. Where men hit women where it’s concealed so they can continue to abuse unabated and control the woman.
MRALWT: more mainstream feminist thought. . . .has the potential to actually exert an influence.
And it is, has, and does. Things have changed in the last fifty years (I’m 56, so I have seen quite a few of those changes).
And am working to make even MOAR change.
*evil laugh of feminist glee*
NWO, a detailed survey of a representative sample of 16,000 men and women is not “the smallest study ever done.”
You asked some questions specifically about the methodology of the study; I provided you links to the study and a summary of the study’s findings (which you obviously didn’t read); if you look at them you can see just how they conducted the study.
Yeah, it makes it even harder for you to get laid. Poor baby.
Shorter NWO: Dave, I reject your study as biased, and I’m saying 8,000 people is too small sample. So neener-neener.
NWO, 8,000 people is actually a pretty good sample size.
No one cares about your random bullshit, NWO. We’re not going to play the “NWO posts some random accusations of unrelated TITLE IX VAWA FLOURIDE and we fall all over ourselves to refute each of his points in detail, and then his only response is more random accusations” game in this thread.
MRAs are putting bounties on women. That’s the shit we’re dealing with today.
Sorry, 16k people.
MRAL, do you see where saying “not bad… for a feminist bitch” means you still have a long way to go? Sigh. Baby steps, I guess.
MRAL-correct me if I am wrong but it sounds like you were saying that women were not getting away with the crime of having a vagina?
Or are your referring to the non-existent pussy pass that the convicted women had which would have prevented the conviction in the first place?
MRAL, despite your ludicrous “feminist bitch” misogyny, it actually does show through that you’re smarter than the average MRA.
It really makes me hope you’ll grow out of it.
I don’t see what you mean hellkell. I’m not trying to placate you people or suck up or whatever, just calling it like I see it. And IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, I think Elam is being unreasonable. And yes, if you’re a feminist, you must necessarily be a bitch or a mangina. Doesn’t mean some bitches or some manginas aren’t more or less tolerable than others. For example, I much prefer Futrelle to Schwyzer, likewise Valenti to Marcotte.
I’m referring to the pussy pass.
So if anything seriously happens to any of the people with the bounties on their heads, can we officially start calling A Voice for Men a terrorist organization?
@Holly: Actually, MRA’s are putting bounties up for information about women.
That information is, like, just for the sake of having it. No reason at all to suspect that they may intend anyone to actually use it to hurt those women. Dum dee dum, let’s all just pretend to be really really stupid in the specific way that’s already been discussed upthread.
Brandon, they have detailed the sort of shit they are going to post. It is identifying information that can be used to track these people down. While discussing how great it’d be if these bitchez died. Even you are not this stupid.
Brandon, why do they want that information? It’s not so they can send them birthday cards.
They’re going to post it publicly for the purposes of:
1) Causing intimidation and humiliation to women who dared to act in a student film, have an opinion, or report a rape.
2) Slandering women to employers/family/etc.
3) Playing the “sure would be a shame if anything happened to them” game because they’re too goddamn dumb and sheltered to understand violence as a real and ugly thing, but they desperately want a new Sodini or Breivik that they can root for from the sidelines.
These are not things that need your “but technically bwah bwah bwah” defense. They really aren’t.
By all means, Brandon, let us split hairs.
I notice you’re still very above it all. If that’s the case, why are you here? There are other outlets for you to exercise your superiority complex.
Brandon: Because that would NEVER lead to women being stalked, threatened, and possibly assaulted. They’re just asking for this information to send those ladies flowers, chocolates, and unicorns that fart glitter, right?
Even you are not this stupid.
it’s not that he’s this stupid (although he is). it’s than anything but being anything but completely literal is an idication of care, and brandon, by aggressively not caring, is the winner. he’s just there, sorting through objective truth, far too special for this humdrum existence where women get death threats and creeps secretly film their sexual partners.
I’m going to vote for evil rather than stupid in this case.
@Sharculese: You are a moron.
@Everyone else: I have no problem with the girls in this video being shamed, criticized and generally have their video made known to a large group of people. Including family, employers and school administrators.
I wouldn’t feel any sympathy towards them if they were denied a job or someone made fun of them because they made this video.
I draw the line at physical assault and stalking.
Reviewing the AVfM comments, some are advocating violence which I don’t agree with. But most of the information they are posting is stuff that is already in the public sphere. They are just taking information these women already made available online and consolidating it.
@Cassandra: Ya, I just spent the last two days handing out turkeys to low income families so they can have a thanksgiving meal…ya…I am evil!
Don’t be so quick to call someone else a moron, chief.
@Cassandra: Yeah–excuse me–ya, he’s evil.
Of course someone who thinks taping a person without consent during sex would be OK with “consolidating information.” What the fuck is wrong with me? Clearly, my worldview is the fucking problem here.
NWO, if you think the DV study is biased, you should bring it up with the World Health Organization. I posted the link to show that there is evidence against the MRA claim that DV is 50/50. The only reason I brought it up is because challenging the 50/50 claim is enough to get a woman “registered” on RH-com as a “bigot”. Eoghan mentioned registering the bloggers at Shakesville and Tiger Beatdown because they disagreed with the MRM’s portrayal of DV. I was saying that was a ridiculous reason to register someone, when there are plenty of studies to back up the position that DV is not 50/50.
Another ridiculous part of RH is that they register women that are acquitted of their crimes. Obviously, the women who are acquitted were able to convince a jury of their innocence, so why should they have a fake public record on the Internet? Who made Elam and the people of AVfM the final judge and jury of guilt or innocence? For all the talk MRA’s have about false accusations, they don’t have a problem with registering women who haven’t been proven guilty of anything in a court of law.
For those that want proof that Elam says this stuff gives him an erection here is a quote he said,
from his June 28 post at AVfM.
Brandon, we don’t give a fuck about your community service requirements, that’s between you and the court.
And we’re right back to stupid again. If identifying information about those women is made public, someone will be crazy enough to use it to hurt them. Have you looked at some of the shit that MRAs write about women they’re angry with? This is not a gentle, peaceful group of people.
The people over at that blog aren’t willing to pull the trigger themselves, but they certainly are delighted to be able to help someone else aim the gun.
>>Hershele – Based on my site analytics…. so far I have two hits from his site. Both of them are from the same person.
I think that was me. I went over to see what he was writing, then I used his link to see what you had written.
I don’t remember doing it twice but it’s possible. lol
@Sharculese: You are a moron.
that may be true but youre a creep, a bore and a petty self-indulgent child so i kind of feel like i got the better side of the deal.
I have no problem with the girls in this video being shamed, criticized and generally have their video made known to a large group of people. Including family, employers and school administrators.
‘dont have a problem with it’ isnt the phrase id choose. ‘get off on it’ feels like a better fit.
@Hellkell: I don’t have a criminal record. Never went to prison. Never committed a violent crime. I know, shocker!!
@Cassandra: They don’t call it a “gender war” for nothing.
So a gender war has to have a body count? Brandon, are you fucking insane?
I am shocked you’ve never appeared before a judge.
There is no war, Brandon, just a group of angry dudes who get off on the idea of hurting women. Which apparently you think is entertaining, because you’re a horrible person.
brandon, i will personally foot the cost of a fancy certificate, vellum with gilt lettering, proclaiming you to be the absolutely totally most special person on the entire planet if you promise to stop boring us with your petty grievances and smug, totally unearned self-righteousness
if, additionally, you promise to spend five whole minutes on actual self-reflection, ill finance having it shipped around the globe so the whole manboobz commenter crew can sign it
@hellkell: My father is an attorney, so when I was younger…I was around judges all the time. ;)
Wow, someone other than me explain to our black hole that a.) “gender war” is a figure of speech and really not used by feminists, and b.) that’s not what feminism is about.
It’s really bad form to go through life this stupid, son.
Oh, right, daddy who taught you all about the law, especially contracts. YAWN.
I don’t have a criminal record. Never went to prison. Never committed a violent crime. I know, shocker!!
in brandons world, the only crimes are violent crimes, and the penalty is community service.
that… explains a lot.
You often can’t diagnose sociopathy until adulthood, and judges are not psychiatrists. I can totally believe that a judge might be an excellent person to teach his unpleasant, lacking in conscience child how to avoid prosecution without actually being a decent human being.
I pretty much figured the only way he’d feed the homeless or help someone who isn’t him would be via court order.
@Cassandra: Every group has another group that opposes them. Republicans have Democrats. Capitalists have socialists. Feminists have MRA/Father’s rights groups. etc…
@hellkell
shit, i forgot about contracts. hold up a second…
there, now its official
@hellkell: Regardless of if you think it is a war or isn’t. They perceive it to be one.
Every group has another group that opposes them. Republicans have Democrats. Capitalists have socialists. Feminists have MRA/Father’s rights groups. etc…
holyshit its so profound it hurts
autobots have decepticons
jedi have sith
maggie simpson has that baby with the one eyebrow
the implications are fucking limitless