100% Mathmatically Accurate! Manosphere blogger Dalrock on slut-shaming
"Kids Love it!" Another claim that is not 100% accurate.
The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
Posted on November 19, 2011, in antifeminism, bad boys, crackpottery, evil women, misogyny, patriarchy, precious bodily fluids, reactionary bullshit, sex, shaming tactics, sluts, thug-lovers. Bookmark the permalink. 1,285 Comments.
@Dracula
“On that note, I make very nice scarves. You should take up knitting, NWO. It’s a rewarding hobby.”
I do something called a cable splice on which every plastic bottle in the world is transported. It’s kinda like knitting, or a type of sailors knot. It’s where you splice two ends of a steel cable together so it’s seemless. It takes about 4 hours and unfortunately your hands are quite bloodied afterwards due to being poked by the many strands. You don’t really notice all the little cuts until the end when you have to clean the cable with rubbing alchohol, then, yikes!
I wish he was a dedicated troll who is just doing this for the lulz. I really do. I can’t believe anyone’s reading comprehension is this bad. I’ve even seen other MRAs make their points more intelligently than NWO does.
See NWO, when you say non-hatey things like this, it kinda makes me not want to hate you. But when you start hating on women and blaming us for everything, it kinda does.
Also you should consider wearing work gloves when doing that.
“It takes about 4 hours and unfortunately your hands are quite bloodied afterwards due to being poked by the many strands. You don’t really notice all the little cuts until the end when you have to clean the cable with rubbing alchohol, then, yikes!”
Why can’t you use gloves? o.o
@Holly Pervocracy
“The women’s statements may be opinion, but the study isn’t. The survey actually happened, the women’s statements actually existed, and there is no opinion involved in telling people what those statements were.”
Except that the concusion of the study stated it as a fact, when in reality it was an opinion. What the study should have concluded with is, “in our opinion, we conclude that the opinions of these women has validity.”
There are no actual facts other than the fact of a study being done based on opinion, and the opinion of the group/person who did the study. Please tell me you don’t consider that science?
NWO, what kind of studies are valid, in your opinion?
@Molly Ren
“Why can’t you use gloves?”
Quite impossible. Just like knitting, it’s an artform. Try knitting with a pair of gloves think enough to stop a steel strand from poking thru. Not gonna happen.
NWO, you can’t use gloves with your splicing kits?
You can’t even slip on a pair of thin gloves before you put on the rubbing alcohol?
Is this what you’re talking about doing?
Or this?
NWO – You seem to like Big Daddy more than me. A LOT more.
So we know what NWO likes. Star Wars Expanded Universe Novels, and The State.
How high is my womb police tax going to be, NWO?
I give up on explaining science. I’m just going to share some things I enjoy. There are many!
I enjoy building things.
I enjoy the sense of hope I get from progressive social movements that show real promise to create change.
I enjoy cinnamon. I’m chewing on a whole cinnamon stick as I type this. Nom.
I enjoy walks in the forest.
I enjoy having male friends. I have female ones too, but on average I seem to bond better with men.
I enjoy swimming and diving. I’m not good at it, but I enjoy it.
I enjoy biology and medicine, beyond just the job; I enjoy learning about those things for fun.
I actually don’t like cake very much, but I enjoy pie.
What do you enjoy, NWO?
This video is actually titled “steel cable splicing”… and appears to not only have people wearing protective gloves, but a female person in it!
Gosh, those guys in the videos were wearing gloves and it didn’t even take them four hours.
I love watching the astounding variety of wildlife that runs or flies or crawls or jumps or hops through my yard.
I love kittens.
I love puppies.
I love teaching my daughter how to cook.
I love the smell of old books.
I love the smell of new books.
I love the smell of neither-old-nor-new books.
So, did NWO just try to turn my earnest attempt to encourage him to enjoy life into some kind of combination pity party/Internet Tough Guy competition? Because that’s how it reads to me.
It’s quite possible that NWOslave is talking about a different kind of steel cable splicing, but that’s what came up in the Google. Whaddaya say, NWOslave? Is this what your workday looks like?
It’s not like NWO would ever exaggerate what he does all day! Why he feels the need to, I’m not sure. Not a lot of people here are going to dole out much sympathy for someone in favor of rape and enslavement.
Not really; the young women who “flaunt their sexuality” make him terribly angry.
NWO:
That sounds really cool. I’m not joking. (: Do you feel good when you’re doing this? Does it make you proud to make sure that you’re doing the best job you can do, or to look back and see the work you’ve done? That’s a thing you like, right?
Holly:
0_o
I enjoy surfing the Internet.
I don’t know whether or not I “enjoy” my studies, but I enjoy the sense of satisfaction that comes from having mastered something.
I enjoy when authorities in my field seem interested in my work.
I enjoy drinking with my boyfriend on weekends.
Move along “doyourownresearch”, you’re being ignored here just like you are in real life.
Milk slave on the other hand gets much more attention from the ladies here than in real life, that’s why he loves coming back so much.
@Quackers
” See NWO, when you say non-hatey things like this, it kinda makes me not want to hate you. But when you start hating on women and blaming us for everything, it kinda does.”
I place the blame where it belongs. If women are to blame for a certain action that they do for the most part, then they are to blame. When I say women have, and still do shame men into killing and dying in war. Have and do women scream, “protect me, save me.” Have and do women say, “go kill and die in a foreign land because they’re treating women badly over there.” They deserve that blame.
Watch any newscast about our latest, “victory” in Libya. All you hear about is how the women and children suffer. The word, “man” is never even mentioned. Insurgents, rebels, miltary personel, is the best we get.
Hillary, a woman sent men over to kill other men and die. They held that one woman up as the reason for men to kill and die. You remember. The one who was supposedly raped over and over, yet somehow she manged to escape maximum detention twice to be interviewed by the MSM. There’s a feat James Bond, Laura Croft and MacQiuver couldn’t pull off together. I’ve never seen such a load of blatant propaganda in my life.
But off we went to kill and die to save the woman. Every newscast had some woman interviewing some other woman/girl. Oh they all exclaimed how exiciting it was being, “liberated.” Go kill, go die! And another newscast would have a woman who was for the old regime, (It’s always a regime when it’s the bad guys). And she would cry how women and children are being killed. Go kill, go die!
Everywhere, on every station, women talking about which men should live and which men should die. They all pulled emotions out of each other, how they wept in tears of joy, sorrow, elation, excitement and sadness. Go kill, go die, they cried! It was everywhere.
And you want to be excused from that? How easily the blood washes away when others kill and die for you.
“That sounds really cool. I’m not joking. (: Do you feel good when you’re doing this? Does it make you proud to make sure that you’re doing the best job you can do, or to look back and see the work you’ve done? That’s a thing you like, right?”
I will actually second this. I enjoyed looking up the process, though I’m more into using a keyboard than anything else. (I think I’ve spliced a wire, uh, once in my life?)
Ooh, ooh, ooh:
I enjoy terrible art. Last night, I laughed at this for what must have been a good half hour.
Now I want a shirt with a yeti on it!
I hate to defend NWO, but it’s plausible that if he’s working with some sort of fine cable that he finds it too hard to work in gloves. I did a lot of wire sculpture stuff and amateur jewelry making when I was in high school (I still will do it occasionally to make gifts for people) and I found it way too difficult to work with gloves that were thick enough to prevent my hands from getting jabbed. And they did get jabbed like crazy.
Those videos look like they’re demonstrating working with larger gauge stuff so I’d imagine that you don’t need the fine dexterity with that sort of work that gloves could interfere with.
@Holly Pervocracy:
Might I put forward the hypothesis that he’s a troll who merely likes getting negative reactions out of feminists?
“I hate to defend NWO, but it’s plausible that if he’s working with some sort of fine cable that he finds it too hard to work in gloves.”
That was one of the reasons I tried to find videos, kladle. I found it hard to visualize the process and wasn’t sure what gauge he was working with.
@zhinxy
So you say you served on a ship. How nice. I’m sure it was quite a comfort to know if any action, (death) had arisen youd’ve had an entire shipload of men who’d kill/die at your disposal. It’s easy to say Id’ve killed/died to save my crewmates, but a bit more difficult to actually do either. Don’tcha think?”
What do you want me to say, NWO, you statist hypocrite?
Men die in war. Women die in war. Children die in war. I’m against the State and its armies and its taxes and its lies and its wars. Are you, NWO? Not from what you’ve said.
Molly, have you seen this? FUCK YEAH DRAGON WITH AMPS \m/
Also, if you liked Three Wolf Moon, you’ll love Three Werewolf Moon.
@NWO
Once again, read a history book. Many more men sent other men to die in wars than women. Patriarchy sucks doesn’t it?
@Molly
Yeah. I have no idea how industrial wire stuff works. I thought those videos were pretty cool. This is why NWO should tell us more about wire splicing and less about feminazi fluoride farces.
Careful now, this is a man who thinks Lysistrata is, ahem, ripped from the headlines. He probably thinks Helen of Troy actually launched those thousand ships on her own as well.
kladle: What kind of wire projects did you do? I’ve also experimented with it off and on. (Arts detrail!) :D
@Quackers
“Once again, read a history book. Many more men sent other men to die in wars than women. Patriarchy sucks doesn’t it?”
Really? Out of all the women who were leaders, or were in a position of power like Hillary, what percentage of the went to war? I mean proportionally speaking, I think women have done quite well in the arena of war. I also don’t recall any of those women send other women to kill and die. Ya know, maybe let the men sit this one out.
You tell me.
NWOslave, you might want to come up with a nice, long list of female leaders before you pin “Women start all the wars!” on us.
I’m pretty sure George W. Bush sent more men (and women) to fight and die than Hillary Clinton did.
“I’m pretty sure George W. Bush sent more men (and women) to fight and die than Hillary Clinton did.”
She actually just goaded Bush in private, and that’s why we’re in Iraq now. “BRING ME SILKEN PANT SUITS, GEORGE!”
what Spearhafoc said.
@zhinxy
“What do you want me to say, NWO, you statist hypocrite?”
I want you women to admit that yes, women have goaded men into war, they have screamed for “their” protection while disreguarding the lives of the men who died. How they thought of themselves first, while demanding men sacrifice themselves. They’ve used shame, lies, tears and every trick in the book so men die while they live.
But at the old manboobz site there’s only mockery. I’ve got gospel opinion science. I’ve got total State yum-yums being passed about for all the gals to level the playing field. State violence ain’t the same as personal violence, why the blood washes right off. I’ve got you, telling me you’re not a Statist as long as you can keep your precious State given right to slaughter the unborn. Abortion ain’t the law of nature, it ain’t the law of man, it ain’t the law of God, that only leaves one authority left, the State. You’ve been so indoctrinated your entire life to believe slaughtering those without a voice is a right, you can’t even see how Statist you actually are.
Let me know about that non-statist format of yours when you actually believe in the right to life. Now go run to Big Daddy and beg forgiveness.
I’m anti-war but nobody ever listens. :(
I must not be goading hard enough.
“I want you women to admit that yes, women have goaded men into war, they have screamed for ‘their’ protection while disreguarding the lives of the men who died. How they thought of themselves first, while demanding men sacrifice themselves. They’ve used shame, lies, tears and every trick in the book so men die while they live.”
Somehow I don’t think you’re going to get us to do this. I just want my dudes to stay the fuck home and *not* die.
How is abortion state created? That makes absolutely no sense.
So how many taxes WILL I have to pay to support your NOT statist womb police?
Man, he really isn’t going to get off his jewels and riches horse anytime soon, is he?
Slavey’s unwillingness to account for men’s responsibility in the wars they fostered, lead, and killed in, as well as suffered and died in, is almost amazing.
No, because it isn’t true. FOUR LIGHTS.
@Molly Ren
“Somehow I don’t think you’re going to get us to do this. I just want my dudes to stay the fuck home and *not* die.”
Well that’s not gonna happen princess. The big boys want a big war.
The big boys want a big war.
And they don’t want it for us. Be “us” women, or men. They want it for them.
Slave, miscarriages are nature’s abortions. We went over that last night.
@zhinxy
“How is abortion state created? That makes absolutely no sense.”
Rule #1, you can’t kill. Even if you can’t hear the screams.
Who are the “big boys”, NWOslave?
Also, what *do* you enjoy doing? Do you like tea?
@Molly
I started doing it when we had to do a wire sculpture project in art class. I made a lot of small animal sculptures, some small people. I still have half of a human skeleton that I was working on and never finished. I also made a lot of jewelry stuff out of wire. Rings, earrings, a slave bracelet thing, woven wire stuff (I was never that great at that, that takes a lot of patience to do it nicely and not bend the wire too much). I made a simple veil once for a goth-style costume that was based out of wire, plus fabric and fake flowers and beads and stuff.
Larger gauge wire’s also really useful as a base for papier mache stuff. I made a unicorn head this year out of wire, cardboard, and papier mache that I wore to a faerie festival and to the local Pride.
I have always wanted to make something big out of wire and nails (like a big spiky dog or bear or something) but have never gotten around to it.
Wire is kind of magical to me to work with because you can transform such a thin linear filament into a complicated 3-D object, or something with all these articulated parts. It is such a huge pain in the butt though, even though it is pretty forgiving since it is so bendable. That’s why I don’t really do much of it anymore.
What have you been playing around with? I always like to hear about art stuff.
My gods, NWO. People are going off to war because their government tells them to. Governments worldwide are disproportionately made up of men.
I have never met a woman that says “go off and die for me” let alone all of womankind.
Where are you getting this shit?
How will you be able to tell, NWO. How can you enforce this. Not all religions agree. Not all CHRISTIANS agree. How can you prove a woman had an abortion and not a miscarriage. What do you do? Monitor all pregnant women?
When fascism comes to the United States, they’ll call it Wombacracy, someone once said…
@hellkell
“Slave, miscarriages are nature’s abortions. We went over that last night.”
Miscarriages are when something goes wrong biologically, and it’s a tragedy. Abortion is when a woman legally murders.
@zhinxy
“How is abortion state created? That makes absolutely no sense.”
Rule #1, you can’t kill. Even if you can’t hear the screams.
Not all agree it’s killing. More to the point not all agree it’s murder. Not all religions agree. Not all ethical codes agree. How will this be enforced. If you are pro life, work on minds and hearts, not the force of law. Or you are, again, a hypocrite.
What if a man and a woman agree to terminate their pregnancy?
Is it murder if the father agrees?
Same fetus, but now you can’t blame OMG A WOMAN.
Why should I pay taxes to your State, that does not conform to my ethics of life?
We do the world no favors by pretending that there are no popularly supported wars.
@zhinxy
I shouldn’t have to monitor all women. Don’t kill. It really is a simple rule. Let’s be real here, women slaughter more unborn in 1 year than every american military death combined since the start of this country. Yet again, women are given a pass. It ani’t murder if a woman does it.
So how will you prevent them from “getting a pass” in your State, and why should I pay taxes to support it?
Abortion isn’t killing a child. It’s refusing to let a potential baby continue to use your body. It is as much ‘killing’ as the fact that you haven’t donated your organs to medicine.
The cornerstone of feminism. “Thou shalt kill.”
The cornerstone of hypocrisy: Thou shalt call others Statists while wishing to use the force of law to control them.
zhinxy. Don’t kill. Or am I asking too much?
NWOslave, let’s say I got pregnant by accident. I’d have to face these problems:
* The amount of money I’m making now is only enough for one person, though I have tried to change this over the past two years.
* I have no experience with raising children (I did office work instead of babysitting as a teen).
* Being pregnant plays havoc with your emotions, and there’s already a history of depression in my family. I literally can’t afford to have this extra burden (see point one).
* If I had the baby, I couldn’t expect any help raising it from friends or family, who are also cash-strapped.
What would you suggest I do in this situation? Does it sound like I could take care of a child?
What if the father wants me to have an abortion, NWO? What if it’s his decision?
A pregnant woman who aborts is no more a murderer than you are for not donating a kidney.
I think NWOslave is imagining we all yank the baby out and knock it on the head at 7 months, rather than freaking out when a condom breaks or we miss a period.