100% Mathmatically Accurate! Manosphere blogger Dalrock on slut-shaming
"Kids Love it!" Another claim that is not 100% accurate.
The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
Posted on November 19, 2011, in antifeminism, bad boys, crackpottery, evil women, misogyny, patriarchy, precious bodily fluids, reactionary bullshit, sex, shaming tactics, sluts, thug-lovers. Bookmark the permalink. 1,285 Comments.
I won’t even open your sciencenewsdaily link. I’ve been there before. It’s pure opinion based, leftist propaganda. There is no actual science in sciencenewsdailty. Unless of course science means opinion.
That’s not science! Science is things that tell me I’m right! It’s propaganda if it tells me I’m wrong!
Like I said, anti-logic. Conclusion first, evidence second.
LOL@ hellkell….and yeah, I TOLD him to go milk a turtle earlier, but does HE listen??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. There’s gotta be SOMETHING that Slavey doesn’t hate….wait minute, maybe not……
(Oh yeah, and to whomever back around Halloween posted that Slavey puts up crosses all over the house and screams at the “dirty pagans”–THANK YOU..am STILL laffin’ at that one!!)
I think that was Ami. Apologies if I’m wrong.
@Moewicus
Hey! Hey! I was right! It is a confidence gap! I had a feeling it was. Now we have scientific proof!
I say we spend lotsa money on improving womens confidence worldwide. Oh that’s right, we already do. I guess we’ll just hafta spend more, and open more UN and State agencies. Don’t fret about the cost. Women’s confidence is paramount at this economic juncture in history.
Dracula – Not even. He saw the word “science” and refused to read it.
Where he learned the things he does know is a fucking mystery to me.
Like, okay, “flouride.” He didn’t make up fluoride paranoia himself; that’s a common thing. But I’m honestly curious at what point someone said something to him and he believed it. He takes such pride at being information-proof, I wonder how the fluoride thing got through the cracks. I’m honestly curious where he reads things that he accepts as new information and incorporates into his worldview. It has happened at some point!
But God I can’t picture it.
Are women inferior at everything NWO?
NWO, do you actually like anything? Puppies? Turtles? Star Wars? Cookies?
All right, MRA’s. Make up your mind. When you’re discussing domestic violence, you’ll claim women are equally as big and strong as men, and beat men up just as often as men beat up women. When you talk about jobs involving physical strength, though, you’ll say women are generally weaker than men and not cut out for those jobs. Do women have the magic ability to amp up their size and strength in the home, but become smaller and weaker again outside the home?
There’s gotta be SOMETHING that Slavey doesn’t hate….wait minute, maybe not……
As far as I can tell, the only thing he doesn’t hate is statutory rape.
Granted. Men in general are physical stronger then woman. Generally. That is not to say that there are not women who are tanks. Those women who can pull their physical weight and meet the standards that a particular field demands should be able to do so.
“These are just physical attributes, there are mental ones as well.”
Can you name a few? I’ve read studies that say outright that women and men’s brains function pretty much the same. The only difference I can see between them is hormonal, which accounts for differences in mood, and not much else. There are gender differences in terms of susceptibility to certain mental disorders, but I don’t think that can be blamed on anyone.
“…but 50% of the class must be women.”
According to whom?
“Tell me? How long, in centuries, will men need to be punished for killing and dying to protect women and children at your behest?”
Nobody is going to war at my behest.
“I mean a coupla hundred years ago the jobs were farmers, miners, shipbuilders, pretty much all manual labor jobs where women simply couldn’t compete with the best of men.”
According to what I have read, women would work alongside men quite often before the industrial revolution, depending on their social class.
“How long will men be punished with the term, “sexism” for doing all those jobs.”
They aren’t. Men are being called out on sexism when they refuse capable women based on their own prejudices.
“…you routinely mock men for…”
I don’t routinely mock men. I routinely mock sexist attitudes that are long outdated.
Sorry for the Wall of Text.
Oh, and out-of-date encyclopedias. He loves those.
He does apparently like Star Wars novels. I remember him saying that they were so good, it ruined him for all other literature. He’s read the best, so what’s the point in reading anything else?
Hell, never mind fluoride paranoia.
When did NWO ever learn–and accept the knowledge even though he didn’t know it before–that there is fluoride in drinking water?
Maybe that’s the real conspiracy! Maybe the government has been cheating us out of fluoride and our teeth are all going to rot while the fluoride magnates scam billions! How do you know it isn’t true? Have you tested your water yourself? We are being robbed of vital fluoride!
It’s okay, Holly, we can always get “flouride” injections at the doctor’s.
Being such an open-minded guy, I’ve decided to go to the science link provided. Here are the headlines.
“Women Aren’t Becoming Engineers Because of Confidence Issues, Study Suggests”
“Females Are Equal to Males in Math Skills, Large Study Shows”
“Few Gender Differences in Math Abilities, Worldwide Study Finds”
“Implicit Stereotypes And Gender Identification May Affect Female Math Performance”
“Work Climate the Main Reason Women Leave Engineering, Survey Suggests”
“Women’s Choices, Not Abilities, Keep Them out of Math-Intensive Fields, Experts Argue”
“Women Subject to Objectifying Gazes Show Decreased Math Ability”
“Higher Education Playing Bigger Role In Gender Wage Gap, Study Finds”
“Women Opt Out Of Math/Science Careers Because Of Family Demands”
So according to science, well not really, but it is called science, it seems women are as good in math, and when they’re not it’s because of stereotypes, or choices, or possibly mens evil objectifying gaze.
Sometimes women choose to not enter math intensive fields, never because of a lack of ability. Sometimes they leave because of family demands.
Strange, but I seem to notice a recurring theme in this science site you’ve provided. And it goes like this, women are always as good at everything, because of science? If they’re not as good, well men, ya know. Evil gaze, steroetype and that sorta stuff. Let’s just cut to the chase and call it patriarchy.
I’ll be sure to return to the all pro woman science site for any of my purely scientific needs.
Is everything on sciencenewsdaily about women? I’ll bet the LGBT also has lotsa science stuff on that site as well.
Aw, NWO, thanks for the concern, but it’s OK BECAUSE I’M NOT ON ANY PEDESTAL. Women really aren’t as rule, unless some dude with lots of “ideas” about how women should behave puts us there. Sound familiar?
Do you like kittens? Pies? Cakes? Sunsets? Long walks on the beach? C’mon, Slave, just name one (1) thing you like.
Sigh. So NWO’s ruling is “this Science says things that don’t fit with what I already know! Clearly it’s lies!”
I really wonder sometimes how the guy learned 1+1=2.
Hey, NWOslave, do you read any comic books?
NWO, did you do a keyword search? You must have, because the Science Daily site I’m on doesn’t show those articles on the front page.
Liar.
@hellkell
I clicked on the link that was provided. That’s what popped up. It’s all scientific fact.
My apologies to NWO–he followed the link. NWO if you look on the homepage, there’s hardly any articles on women.
Once again, NWO demonstrates his inability to distinguish between “Women are as likely to be [blank], all things being equal.” vs. “Women are always [blank], no matter what.”
NWO, name one thing you like.
@hellkell–I’ve got it, Slavey likes CAKE! Everybody likes cake!
NWO, by the way, do you have any conception of the difference between science and opinion? It’s not “one is more official-like” or “one uses bigger words and more fanciness,” or anything like that.
An opinion is something you just make up. You might incorporate your knowledge and experiences, but informally; the opinion just comes off the top of your head.
Science is not just the opinion of people in white coats. Science is the results of something they did. They performed an experiment, observed a phenomenon, surveyed people, and then they reported the results that they got. They didn’t know what the results would be until after that observation.
What I’m getting at here is that science is news about something that actually happened. It’s not about beliefs.
I think you think that science is nothing more than the glorified opinion of Designated Scientists, and I hope you can understand from this that it’s not. It’s reporting on what the scientists actually observed.
WOMEN SOMETIMES BAKE CAKE! INFERIOR CAKE!
NWO, what do you like? Do you like ice cream? How about candles? Or flowers? Tea? Poetry? Latin literature? Magic: the Gathering? The color blue?
What makes you happy?
Why do you get out of bed in the morning?
@Dracula
No. no. noooooo, dracula.
I now know for a scientific fact, the evil male gaze causes poor math skills in women.
Women are as good in math unless they don’t wanna be.
Or they’re leaving engineering because of the man climate. They should be coddled while engineering and they aren’t.
They need more confidence, which explains any sub-par performance as opposed to men.
Patriarchy pretty much covers the list of anything I haven’t mentioned. It’s science!
What are your opinions on the cute dog videos upthread, NWO? Did you say “Aw, so cute” or did it send you into a rage spiral, because they showed spoiled (literal) bitches indirectly sponging off of Big Daddy, because we women wouldn’t have money to keep dogs if it hadn’t been stolen from you first?
Ozy. clearly he gets out of bed to fix the milk machines. That shit don’t bottle itself
Yeah, nothing you just said contradicts what I just said, NWO, whether it was sarcasm or not.
Well, clearly NWOslave isn’t a fan of vampires.
“Women have poor math skills” like an awfully broad generalization. Any facts/studies to back that up? Or do science count when it says women are bad at things?
Wow. I left out some words there. I BLAME THE PATRIARCHY!
Well, clearly NWOslave isn’t a fan of vampires.
Clearly he’s jealous. :)
Women obviously have poor math and science skills because sometimes women do studies in which they use math and science, and those studies indicate that women don’t have poor math and science skills, which everyone knows must be wrong, hence women have poor math and science skills! GENIUS.
I second everyone who wants to know what NWO likes.
NWO, do you think that stuff you babbled in opposite-talk communicates anything to anyone?
Never mind convinces. God knows you aren’t going for convincing. But I don’t even know what you were trying to say to us. Might as well have been random letters.
Also I wish you’d learn what science is.
NOT SCIENCE: Saying women are just as smart as men.
SCIENCE: Reporting on men and women’s relative test scores in a specific subject.
Do you get what’s going on here? Science is a specific process based in real-world events. It’s not just another kind of opinion.
What if a woman conducted a study on math ability (or aptitude in any area) and concluded that women weren’t as good as men?
Would Slavey accept the result because it confirmed his prior belief or would he reject it because it was done by a woman and (in his view) she has to be wrong?
For the Big Book of Larnin':
All science is opinion unless it comes from antique Encyclopedia Britannicas.
LOL Spearhafoc :P
Yea right. I’m sure it said exactly that.
Look NWO, here is a study that shows sexism harms men and women and is also perpetuated by women. So women can be at fault too. Its not about men=bad women=good. You gotta stop looking at it that way.
and I forgot to post the link to the study. Derp.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091112151434.htm
I think we could also add “Wikipedia is just people’s opinions!” to the BBo’L. That one cracks me up, considering that WIkipedia, for all its flaws, is held to a drastically higher standard of verification than NWO expects of himself.
Oooh oh!! this thread wont be complete until I post this: http://xkcd.com/385/
The creator of XKCD, who is also a programmer, knows how it is.
Wikipedia has citations.
NWO has anti-citations, where if there’s a link proving something, he’s guaranteed to use it to claim that it isn’t true.
@Holly Pervocracy
“Science is not just the opinion of people in white coats. Science is the results of something they did. They performed an experiment, observed a phenomenon, surveyed people, and then they reported the results that they got. They didn’t know what the results would be until after that observation.
What I’m getting at here is that science is news about something that actually happened. It’s not about beliefs.”
The entire site is simply opinion based.
I can take a little jaunt over to feministe and I’ll bet my study will prove conclusively patriarchy is to blame for everything wrong in the world today. Hell, I don’t even have to go that far, manboobz’ll do just fine. Why just today I learned that when men are forced to percieve women as human they’ll beat and rape them.
The problem with the manboobz gang is ya wanna act like men are evil and women are godlike. And how ya hate it when the pedestal gets chipped.
Ya love Big Daddy, and deny womens involvement enacting all the nasty laws.
Ya love to blame men for all the atrocities in the world while claiming women are guilt free. You claim women weilding State violence doesn’t exist because the blood comes off soooo easy when someone else does the actual violence.
Ya say it isn’t a zero game when it suit ya, but when women demand Big Daddy gives ya entitlements, privilege and quotas, zero-sum game is where it’s at.
You toss out lies in statistics whenever it suits you. 1 in 4 women are raped or attempted rapes in colleges comes to mind. 90% of women never even report being raped. Women don’t lie about rape/sexual assault.
Women were always oppressed. How I’m sick to death of hearing the only reason women didn’t do this or that, or can’t do it better is because they’re oppressed.
How every time, like womens prisons closing, ya’ll yammer how feminism is fighting that, yet it’s all feminists lobbying for that. And every other gift tossed at womens collective feet.
Well guess what? Every charity for women only. Every quota for women. Every State agency for women. Every Corporate gift for women. Says loud and clear, women hate men.
Why are there so many past their prime “ladies” upset? Lol :)
No it isn’t. If I give 100 women a test and they score the same average as 100 men, that is not an opinion. It’s a thing that actually happened.
That’s terrible study design, NWO!
What you could do is distribute a survey to the members of Feministe and Manboobz asking them what’s to blame for major world problems. And if they all answer “patriarchy,” you can prove that this is what Feministe and Manboobz readers blame for world problems. You can’t prove that it’s true because you didn’t test that.
Just because you don’t understand how science works… NOT EVERYONE IS AS STUPID AS YOU, OKAY?
I’m screaming into the void here, aren’t I.
Hi, Doyourownresearch (a fitting name for this discussion!).
I’m 26. Past my prime?
NWO, what do you like? Besides reading Manboobz and Feministe.
What do you like that doesn’t send you into a rage? Baseball? Ice cream? Dolls?
@Quackers
The study you just linked me to, says that not only men are sexist towards women, but women can also be sexist towards women.
Here’s the first paragraph.
“The two most significant findings of the study are that both men and women respond in a more hostile way to a woman who violates sex-role expectations, than to one who adheres to them. Secondly, that the more an individual supports social hierarchy in general (that some people should have more power and resources than others), the more hostile they responded toward a woman who violated sex-role expectations.”
Men are bad, women are good. Any woman who listens to a man is also bad.
Well guess what? Sex roles are a bilogical function. That’s right, gender roles are good. The more you deny biology, the worse things will get. Are ya happy with the way things are steamrolling towards a brick wall? Keep siding with the gang at the top. Keep believing the lies. Run to Big Daddy as your deity.
Guess what? Men and women are different. And when on a societal level, you decide they’re not. All you’re gonna get is a destroyed society.
OMFG NWO, did I not just post a study that said men AND women can contribute to sexist attitudes? did I not just say this is NOT about man=bad women=good?
and for the last fucking time: WOMEN’S PRISONS ARE NOT CLOSING!!! that’s not what the article said and you know it. Enough with the hyperbole and selective reading.
That’s what we all just said…
*beats head against the wall*
That’s funny, because I’m able to act like a man. My bilogy doesn’t stop me. (Well, I don’t grow much of a beard.) You’d think if we were bilogically unable to do things, then we couldn’t do them.
Elephants are bilogically unable to fly, and no one has to tell them not to. Do you see what I’m getting at here?
No?
*beats head against the wall until she gets a nosebleed*
@Holly Pervocracy
“Just because you don’t understand how science works… NOT EVERYONE IS AS STUPID AS YOU, OKAY?”
I hadn’t realized any study done with any parameters was science. In fact, a study done where the women are asked if the evil male gaze hinders their performance, is an opinion piece of an opinion. And that’s science?
Holy shit, NWO, we all knew you sucked at reading comprehension, but must you go so far out of your way to prove it?
NWO, what do you think studies consist of? Do you think no questions are asked?
What do you like?
Dammit disregard the first sentence then.
““The two most significant findings of the study are that both men and women respond in a more hostile way to a woman who violates sex-role expectations, than to one who adheres to them. Secondly, that the more an individual supports social hierarchy in general (that some people should have more power and resources than others), the more hostile they responded toward a woman who violated sex-role expectations.”
Exactly how does that say women=good men=bad? it’s saying that both men AND women react badly towards a woman who rejects sex-role expectations. The second paragraph illustrates your attitude perfectly. You clearly think men should have more power than women, and when we disagree with you and tell you women have every right to disregard sex-role expectations, you react in a hostile manner.
Congratulations. You prove the study right.
“I’m 26. Past my prime?”
I think the limit’s 27, Holly. In a year, you and me will wither and die! *hand to forehead*
Molly, I’m 40, does that mean I’m a zombie now?
@Holly Pervocracy
“That’s funny, because I’m able to act like a man. My bilogy doesn’t stop me.”
I can act like a frog, but that doesn’t make me a frog. You can, “act” like a man, but you can never, “be” a man. Biology 101. Let’s betend is a game for little children. Grow up.
Did the study actually ask women if the “evil male gaze hinders their performance?”
Did it use those words exactly? show me.
“Let’s betend?” Never played that one before.
You’d think if we were bilogically unable to do things, then we couldn’t do them.
On that note, I make very nice scarves. You should take up knitting, NWO. It’s a rewarding hobby.
Intelligence 101: sex roles are not the same as actual sex.
@Quackers
You gave me the scientific link, you do the research. I have it on scientific authority that the male gaze hinders womens performance in math. It’s science.
No, it’s reporting on an opinion. If that study had been done (and it wasn’t and you know it), the headline would not be:
“Evil male gaze hinders women’s performance.”
It would be:
“Women report their performance is most often hindered by ‘the evil male gaze.'”
DO YOU GET THE DIFFERENCE HERE?
The women’s statements may be opinion, but the study isn’t. The survey actually happened, the women’s statements actually existed, and there is no opinion involved in telling people what those statements were.
Oh my god, he’s like a demented parrot. He learns a new word or phrase and won’t let go.
I posted 2 links to 2 studies. Nowhere did they say the evil male gaze hinders women’s math abilities. You pulled that out of your ass.
I’m pretty sure that despite all our attempts, NWO still believes the definition of science is: “The opinions of people in white coats who use big words.”
I really want to link him some scientific articles on respiratory infections in gerbils or something, just to see if he reacts “That’s just the opinion scientists have about gerbil lungs!”