100% Mathmatically Accurate! Manosphere blogger Dalrock on slut-shaming
"Kids Love it!" Another claim that is not 100% accurate.
The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
Posted on November 19, 2011, in antifeminism, bad boys, crackpottery, evil women, misogyny, patriarchy, precious bodily fluids, reactionary bullshit, sex, shaming tactics, sluts, thug-lovers. Bookmark the permalink. 1,285 Comments.
The comments are hilarious too. Do these people actually realize that they don’t live in a world that most of us would recognize as the real one?
This one’s from “P Ray”, who I think is a regular at Omega Virgin Revolt (which itself speaks volumes):
Well, I didn’t meet my wife until we were both in our mid-thirties, and she definitely wasn’t a virgin when we met. In fact, unless she was lying (and she had no motive for doing so that I could see) she’d had considerably more sexual partners in her twenties than I had. Does this mean that I’m “not being respected”? Presumably yes, but I’m baffled as to what I’m supposed to do about it – not least because for some unaccountable reason I actively prefer sexually confident women who are completely comfortable with their own bodies to shy and inexperienced beginners.
And then there’s this comment from Anonymous, who I’m willing to bet has rarely spoken to a real live woman outside his family or a commercial transaction in a shop, restaurant etc.
I love the way he refers to “females” and “the female” as though he’s writing an in-depth anthropological research paper. But, again, this doesn’t chime with my experience at all – granted, I certainly don’t always do what my partners have asked me to do, but if catering for their wishes was a genuine rarity on my part I can be pretty sure that every one of them would have said “well, fuck you then” and looked elsewhere.
I’m pretty sure women age at the same rate if they’re single.
There seems to be this persistent misogynist myth that having sex has a rapid-aging effect on a woman. Like if you have too much sex you’ll have deep wrinkles and white hair by thirty, because sex is actually a magic timewarp potion. Whereas a thirty-year-old virgin would obviously look seventeen.
It’s bizarre, it’s almost cartoon-like in its degree of magical thinking, but apparently these guys really really want sex to have an irreplaceable cost to women. Because God forbid women could have sex and still be the same person afterwards.
If there are 100 sluts and 30 players, how many fatherless children would there be? Round your answer to two decimal places.
Some math hint: you PUAs/MRAs might have better luck getting it on with women if you didn’t only try to date/boink the 1%. Just saying.
What’s hilarious about that thread is that these guys believe that social conservatives have encouraged feminism and are controlling the US. Then a social conservative called flenser tried to discuss it with them and fed up, he finally he left them calling them stupid. I think Dalrock needs to go on Rush Limbaugh and calls him a feminist. That would be very funny.
DKM: Here, fixing that for yo:
DKM:
Wouldn’t all of the arguments regarding ‘sluts” and the “cause” and “cure” of “sluthood”–sexual overactivity and promiscuity by males–be rendered obsolete if boys were subject to closer and more consistant supervision by their families, communities, and the larger society from early childhood till marriage?
You can’t have “sluts” if the sexual availability of boys is strictly contained or forbidden, if unmarried boys from good families are simply unavailable for use, and even for observation without the knowledge and consent of the father, mother, and perhaps older men of the family, along with close and trusted friends or neighbors to say nothing about, (if called for) the local constabulary!
DKM ranting in a very over the top hyperbolic way to Molly Ren’s completely reasonable question:
You wanna be a “fighter pilot”, Molly Ren? Oh Gosh, I don’t know!! Ask the other fighter pilots! Ask their Commander! Ask the manufacturers of the fighter aircraft if they are safe to be piloted by mere women! Ask the insurance companies who after all, have millions of $$$ on the safety and reliability of this mess! Ask the crews of the real fighter pilots would they feel safe, and would they be able to concentrate on their jobs in combat being piloted by a female?
Go be a goddam fighter pilot, Molly Ren! Things in feministville are so utterly goofy, I don’t know what the hell to do!
Note how much of his language implies that the mere thought of a woman fighter pilot is completely impossible.
Except that a few seconds of Googling reveals, what do ya know, WOMEN FIGHTER PILOTS EXIST AND HAVE FOR SOME TIME:
http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/fighters.html
http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/pilots.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=women+fighter+pilots&hl=en&rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FyfJTujQJo3Atge6ppjWCw&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=499
DKM, while you’ve been locked up with your china dolls, real women are doing a lot of things you think is impossible, or just feministgoofyville ideas.
Is this the sort of reality that’s driving you further into the closet with your girlies?
OT, but the O Henry story Hershele referred to is “The Cop and the Anthem”. It’s about a homeless man who goes around trying to get arrested so he can spend the winter in jail. I won’t spoil the ending because it’s a charming story in its own way: http://www.enotes.com/best-o-henry-text/the-cop-and-the-anthem
Holly, I was wondering about that too – what do they think sex does to women? I can sort of see that, if you spend a lot of your time in clubs, don’t get enough sleep, drink too much, and smoke, you might age faster than someone who stays home and watches Dragonball Z, because your lifestyle puts a lot of stress on your body. But not all sexually active women act like Snooki! I’d say that only a very small minority do!
And I defy any MRA to look at a woman and accurately guess either her age or the number of sex partners she’s had. In fact, if any of our resident trolls can look at my avatar and tell me accurately how many partners I’ve had, along with a detailed description of how they arrived at that number, I will post a video montage of cute photos of my dogs.
In case my avatar is too small for a scientifically accurate calculation, here is my most recent headshot:
Taken in July. So tell me, MRAs, how old am I? How many people have I slept with? How can you tell?
You’re so pretty, Kristin ^_^
I think older women are much hotter than older men, on average (though that might just be my own particular tastes). I wonder where misogynists get this idea that women “go bad” with age but men do not.
DSC: Because their penises are the ultimate arbitrers of beauty now and forever, amen.
I’m really starting to worry about small, light objects in the vicinity of NWO’s head. That black hole seems to just keep expanding – it’s only a matter of time before it starts pulling more than text in.
Meller: I wanted very badly to be a fighter pilot when I was younger – carry on the family legacy and all that. But then I hit a major growth spurt and most of it was in my legs, well, the femurs specifically. They got long enough that my knees would be under the instrument panel while flying, and… well, you don’t ant anything impeding you legs when you have to eject – amputation above the knees has no appeal to me.
Can you do this anyway? Because, um, dogs?
God, I hope Samuel doesn’t come back right now…
They need to believe that all young women that rejected them will be alone and rejected by all men when they age – and at the same time they are obsessed by teenagers and underage girls. And they need to believe that when they will be 50 years old, 20 years old women will chase them to have their babies.
And I agree that Kristin is pretty.
this just in, rockstars get laid more than PUA’s
http://www.contactmusic.com/news/lemmy-ive-bedded-1000-sex-partners_1204592
Joanna – thanks! I clean up OK. I don’t normally walk around like that, though. XD
Bee – well, since no one has taken up my challenge, I will!
When Ben was away on tour last year I took a picture of the dogs every day to send to him, then made a video montage of the best ones. I think I like the one of Madeline on the piano bench best.
DOGGIES!
They’re very cute, kristinmh! Hounds are great. A nose you could land a plane on.
Here’s my dumb dog video. Not that anyone asked, but DOGGIES!
Bee, they’re hilarious! What are their names? I love how the one on the left is all, “what the fuck is your deal?”
PUGS! I love pugs! They are the cutest, Bee.
@Quackers
“Care to provide some proof for this “low self esteem defense?”
Here ya go
http://www.news.com.au/national/woman-gets-no-jail-for-sex-abuse/story-e6frfkvr-1226171268758
I wonder if that 12 year old boy will grow up to be rapists? Wasn’t that feminist judge quite harsh in her sentencing? Hey! Maybe we could send them young chaps to a therapist? Of course since almost all therapists are leftists, and oddly enough women, they’ll no doubt tell those boys women are just the cats whiskers. And NAWALT, and they’ll need to control their sexuality. Maybe they can teach them to be gay, so they won’t be a threat to women!
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For all you strong, independent lassies who wanna be CEOs and in positions of power, quotas are sweeping the planet.
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/11/16/4058632/european-quotas-for-women-ceos.html
Qualifications needed; Are you a woman? The savviest man in economics is no match for any woman when applying for employment as a CEO of a large company.
And for all you gals who wanna cruise into STEM in college, here’s just one entitlement among thousands.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/education/edlife/closing-the-girl-gap-in-science.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&ref=edlife
Here’s a quote from the article… “This is happening as a growing chorus of educators and officials at the Department of Education make pointed efforts to steer young women to STEM majors.”
Ooooo! A chorus of efforts. I wonder what the cost’ll be for men to help only women? And if I don’t pay my taxes, which helps only women achieve and actively hobbles men, I’ll not only be dubbed a misogynist, I’ll go to jail!
Look at how well Title IX and the new, progressive primary education has worked already! It seems all you gotta do is dope up little boys with ridilin because they’re just so durned active. Take away merit and competition in the classroom, which boys thrive on and grade them on conformity and behavior instead. Reward girls with a gazillion girls are great rallies, a bazzilion girls only programs. Teach everyone how girls have always been oppressed. Guess who the oppressors are? And after a while you’ll have feminists like Hanna Rosin tromping about the country preaching how women are soooooo superior when the, (hahahahaha), playing field is level.
Oh Big Daddy, we love you!
Close down all those nasty prisons for women so we can cite statistics of how only men are incarcerated as proof of womens goody-goodness!
Pour all educational funding into only women funds as proof of womens smarty-smartness!
Make quotas galore as proof of womens superiorty in all high paying employment and State positions. (No icky dirty jobs for you).
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@zhinxy
So you say you served on a ship. How nice. I’m sure it was quite a comfort to know if any action, (death) had arisen youd’ve had an entire shipload of men who’d kill/die at your disposal. It’s easy to say Id’ve killed/died to save my crewmates, but a bit more difficult to actually do either. Don’tcha think?
In the grand scheme of 5k years of recorded history how many men have been left choiceless to kill or die to save women and children? Their wives, sisters, sons and daughters? How many have willingly gave up their lives to save the same? How many women were so willing to kill or die for their loved ones? Or men they didn’t even know? Go kill for me, go die for me has been cried out for millenia. And then women sit back smugly pointing the finger at men for all the death and destruction.
Oh the gang at the top has always been quite adept at preying upon womens fears, and using women against men to shame them into killing and dying for them. They use mens natural instinct to protect those weaker than themselves as well. The word, “rape” becomes a weapon. “The bad men over there will rape your wives and daughters, go kill go die.” And then the oppossing side screams, “Look! They’ve come! Innocent women and children are being injured! Go kill, go die!” Yes indeedy. The gang at the top has always known the nature of men and women. The very nature you deny exists. And how they laugh as they use your nature against men.
DKM doesn’t get that it’s not about what he thinks people should or shouldn’t be able to do. The whole point of being libertarian is that other people can’t impose their opinions of what you should be doing on you, no?
Whose job is it to stop women from being fighter pilots?
Yay, doggies! So cute!
More dogginess (because I will take basically any excuse to show off my sweetie):
NWO: I agree, your first link is horrible, and everyone who opposes rape culture ought to oppose it. Rapists deserve to be punished, regardless of gender. :(
I think you are confused, NWO. We support women being in the military and having crappy jobs, and male nonviolent offenders who have good behavior and are the primary caregivers of children getting to leave jail. (I actually found out about it on Alas A Blog, a feminist blog that was quite outraged it wasn’t extended to men.)
Here ya go
http://www.news.com.au/national/woman-gets-no-jail-for-sex-abuse/story-e6frfkvr-1226171268758
I wonder if that 12 year old boy will grow up to be rapists? Wasn’t that feminist judge quite harsh in her sentencing? Hey! Maybe we could send them young chaps to a therapist? Of course since almost all therapists are leftists, and oddly enough women, they’ll no doubt tell those boys women are just the cats whiskers. And NAWALT, and they’ll need to control their sexuality. Maybe they can teach them to be gay, so they won’t be a threat to women!
Okay, NWO, I know this has been explained to you roughly ten thousand times, but I’m going to try once more:
THIS IS PRECISELY THE SORT OF THING THAT FEMINISM OPPOSES.
Seriously, dude. It is ridiculous and disgusting that someone who was convicted of raping four kids isn’t going to serve any jail time. I seriously, seriously doubt you will find even one poster here who supports child rapists of either gender getting off that easy. I see zero reason to believe this judge was a feminist; there’s nothing in the article stating that she identifies as feminist in any way. Maybe she is, maybe she isn’t – if she is, she is either a fairly lousy excuse for a feminist in that she thinks women deserve lesser sentences than men, or she is a fairly lousy excuse for a feminist in that she generally doesn’t take rape seriously and would have given a man an equally lenient sentence. It seems more probable that she is simply not a feminist in the first place, but either way, she appears to be kind of a moron, and I don’t understand how many times everyone here has to repeat things like “we don’t think women should get more lenient sentences than men for the same crimes, because that is sexist and stupid” before you’ll stop shrieking at us about how things we don’t support are all our fault.
Also, yes, the boys probably should get therapy! Because being raped is frequently traumatic! I’m not sure in what universe “you should have access to help in dealing with your traumatic experience” is a terrible, insulting thing to suggest. I really wish you’d get therapy, because you clearly have a lot of anger against basically the entire world, and that doesn’t seem like a healthy or happy way to live.
OH NOES! Twenty percent of the corporate board seats in France are held by dumb ol’ women, because of QUOTAS! With men controlling only 80%, male privilege is surely crumbling as we speak. Thanks for the heads up, milkslave. Just checking in before another 28 hour workday, dearie?
Cute doggy, Pollywog! Thanks, kristinmh and hellkell. The big one’s Loki and the little guy is Zomo. They’re funny.
Okay, that’s it. I am going to go outside, sit in the middle of the street, and demand that NWO be thrown into prison for no reason. If NWO is correct, the Title IX Secret Police will be breaking down his door in minutes, and we will never hear from him again.
Of course, if he’s delusional, nothing will happen, and he’ll continue posting hate-filled screeds and insulting the female soldiers who defend his sad, sad life. But I bet he’s right.
Nice knowing you, NWO.
To be fair, it’s a widespread cultural perception that’s not in any way exclusive to MRA’s, as any actress in her mid-to-late thirties will readily confirm.
It is, of course, utter rubbish. The last time I had sex with a 21-year-old, I was 22. Since then, I haven’t slept with anyone under 35, because once I realized that women in their thirties and upwards were generally far superior lovers in every way (technical dexterity, erotic imagination, ability to articulate exactly what they wanted) there was no going back.
As BlackBloc said, the biggest mistake these fools make is to target the 1% of people who are completely unattainable – whereas a fair proportion of the remaining 99% might actually give them a better time, if they hadn’t already been written off for some superficial reason to do with age/weight/whatever.
@Polliwog
“THIS IS PRECISELY THE SORT OF THING THAT FEMINISM OPPOSES.”
As always your words mean nothing. Feminists applaud freeing women, and in fact closing all womens prisons. Feminists judges routinely allow women free reign to commit virtually any crime. There will be no feminist rally to rectify the totally biased court system, penal system, education system, quota system.
For six months I fought against the heinous preponderance of evidence proposal the DOE tried to impose in colleges. Everyone one of you mocked and ridiculed me. Some of you went so far as to call it a, “higher standard of proof.” As if it was something wonderful. Not one of you signed the petition to stop this tyranny after I repeatedly gave you links. No feminist signed the petition for men to retain the basic right of innocence.
The difference between saying you oppose an injustice, bias, privilege or entitlement, and the actions of feminists doing exactly the opposite is all that is needed to judge feminism a hate movement.
Owly wrote:
I wonder if that 12 year old boy will grow up to be rapists?
Hopefully he will not become multiple people. And correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that around the age Owlyslave would like men to be able to legally have sex with girls?
Hey! Maybe we could send them young chaps to a therapist? Of course since almost all therapists are leftists, and oddly enough women, they’ll no doubt tell those boys women are just the cats whiskers.
They’ll probably tell the boys that what that woman did was wrong and there’s no reason to be ashamed of themselves, like their patriarchal culture tells them they should be.
And NAWALT, and they’ll need to control their sexuality.
So NWOslave, do you genuinely think that all women are like that–rapists of young boys? Otherwise, what is the point of bringing up NAWALT here? Apparently you can only think in MRA cliches. FYI, telling people not to rape is not telling them to “control their sexuality,” it’s telling them not to rape. There’s a difference. Of course, I realize you think male sexuality is inherently rapacious, but you’re wildly stupidly wrong.
Maybe they can teach them to be gay, so they won’t be a threat to women!
You DO realize that the people you’re imagining think that homosexuality can’t be taught and that it has a biological basis, right? Or do you seriously think that homosexuality is a choice and that evil leftists just indoctrinate it in boys to advance the feminist agenda? Because I would really not be surprised if you do believe that.
Look, people, if sexuality could really be taught, we’d be having thousands– no, millions– of people lining up to be bisexual or pansexual. I mean, look at it:
–Increase your chance of getting a date on Friday night!
–Increase the number of threesomes you could potentially participate in!
–Double the number of people you find attractive!
–Bond with partners over talking about who’s hotter!
–Be like Captain Jack Harkness!
Since there aren’t Ex-Monosexual clinics on every street corner, I can conclude that the “sexuality is taught” theory is probably bullshit.
Damn, forgot the second half of one sentence. It should read: “talking about who’s hotter, Johnny Depp or Christina Hendricks.”
@NWO
Yea…that first link is fucked up and you’re not going to find anyone here who agrees with it. As Polliwog said, feminists oppose this type of thing. A sex crime is a sex crime regardless of who committed it and they should be punished regardless of gender. A self esteem defense is also an insult to people with low self esteem who would never commit such a crime and use it as an excuse. However someone else posted some links to defenses men used and got away with their crimes too. So its not just women getting away with crimes.
The thing is NWO, we still live in a culture with a lot of double standards and sexism left over. That’s why things like this happen. The more people become educated about sexual crimes, the more society will believe that men can be victims of sex abuse and that women can be perpetrators, then outcomes like the one in the story you posted will happen less.
The same reason is why quotas exist. Leftover sexism and assumptions about gender roles. If the playing field was even from the start, and it was normal for women to enter STEM fields or have careers that were regarded as “men’s work”, quotas and AA would not exist. You can deny it all you want but women were actively discriminated against or banned from entering certain fields. Ideas like these don’t change overnight because they are so ingrained into society, thus I dont see what is so wrong with using quotas to eliminate discrimination. These women still need to be qualified for the job too. Its not like I who has no experience or schooling in STEM can just apply for a STEM job and be hired simply because I’m a woman. That’s not how it works. Also I’ve applied for jobs in the past that I am qualified for, which the company websites state that they are equal opportunity employers, and I still never got any of the jobs.
@shaenon
“Okay, that’s it. I am going to go outside, sit in the middle of the street, and demand that NWO be thrown into prison for no reason.”
If you knew my real name you could in fact have me arrested. One simple phone call is all it’d take. Your word is all the evidence that’s needed.
If ya don’t believe me, try a little experiment. If you have a boyfriend/husband or really any man you know. Call the cops on him and say you’re a victim of DV. Mandatory arrest policy will ensure he is arrested on your word alone. Give it a shot. Prove me wrong.
NWO’s last couple of comments are a prime example of why the phrase “NWO ratio” was coined…
I mean, was there a single accurate statement in all that mess?
And as we all know, arresting people is not due process! Tyranny!!!!!!uno1
On another troll’s topic, I find it striking how much Meller’s ideas are like The Handmaid’s Tale. Women owned by everyone around them and shuffled around based on whether they fit the whore or mother category, to be used by others as deemed fit by their category. In Mellerland, not only does everyone buy into this, the women’s choices don’t exercise any pull in the market at all. The families of women are fine with discarding their daughters for being too loose and everyone else views them as commodities anyway. Not only can he not think of women as human, he doesn’t think anyone else is, either.
See, it doesn’t matter if we disapprove of the Australian ruling. The important thing is that NWO imagines that we approve. We are no match for the power of his imagination.
(Cue Willy Wonka theme.)
@Quackers
The only reason for a quota is to give one group of people an unfair advantage, backed by the violence of the State, over another. The fact that you couch your excuses as leftover sexism, which your proof of sexism is that there haven’t been enough women in STEM. You have just justified quotas.
Men might actually be better at those fields.
Men might actually be more driven in those fields.
Men might be willing to put forth more effort in those fields.
Men might actually be more naturally drawn to those fields.
And none of those things are sexist.
Why do you assume, because men have dominated in fields of STEM, and still do today, even after the massive amounts of time, encouragement and money handed over to only women, there must be some sexist reason?
Ya see, that’s the real sexism. And feminists are leading the charge.
Jesus, Slavey….I’m not sure WHERE to start with your crazy shizzle….oh yeah, GO MILK A TURTLE.
“In the grand scheme of 5k years of recorded history how many men have been left choiceless to kill or die to save women and children? Their wives, sisters, sons and daughters? How many have willingly gave up their lives to save the same? How many women were so willing to kill or die for their loved ones? Or men they didn’t even know? Go kill for me, go die for me has been cried out for millenia. And then women sit back smugly pointing the finger at men for all the death and destruction.”
What a complete load of SHIT. MANY women, of their volition (trying to protect their children, or in grief after the loss of their husbands, or as Law Enforcement officers protecting community members) or not (the woman whose name I can’t recall who was denied an abortion and life-saving cancer treatment after it was determined that her once-hopeful pregnancy had taken a turn for the worse. She was forced to endure a c-section, which resulted in a dead fetus upon delivery, incidentally, and lost her life as a result) have given their lives for others, including family members AND strangers. YOU ARE DAMN WELL AWARE OF THIS, you just can’t bear to admit it, immature cretin that you are. But evidence does exist, and YOU cannot deny it. Well, you can, but that changes nothing about the facts.
“Oh the gang at the top has always been quite adept at preying upon womens fears, and using women against men to shame them into killing and dying for them. They use mens natural instinct to protect those weaker than themselves as well.”
Really? Then why do those of your ilk who claim such “oppression” simply because women are making gains in being treated as EQUAL HUMANS respond with rape and battery AGAINST WOMEN???
Face it–your pyschotic, priviledged existence, as well as that of the other MRA swine is continually being “threatened” since your patriarchal lies about the inferiority of anything that isn’t a straight white MALE have been exposed and you HATE IT. Now, REAL men would own up to their mistakes and play fair with the girls, but NO, not you!!! You will go down swinging no matter how much of an immature CHILD your are perceived to be, and no matter how much your insidious whining defeats the cause of fair treatment of men (never mind that men NEVER had anything to worry about in that regard in the first place!! You always took what you wanted, by god, because of your might-makes-right bullshit arguments). You are fucking SICK. I’ve no more time for your bullshit, and you REALLY need to stay the fuck out of here.
NWO, why are you here?
Seriously.
You don’t want to hear anything we have to say. You don’t want to answer direct questions–in fact, you play a cute little game of avoiding them. And to cap it all off, you don’t even have anything to tell us! You don’t even have a viewpoint to advance! You just hate everything and think everything is going to hell and refuse to believe that anyone on Earth is happy or good to others.
Why do you take so many posts to say so? If the only thing you have to share with the world is “DOOM GLOOM MISERY,” you’ve fuckin’ shared it.
Go learn to knit or something. Better use of your time.
“If ya don’t believe me, try a little experiment. If you have a boyfriend/husband or really any man you know. Call the cops on him and say you’re a victim of DV. Mandatory arrest policy will ensure he is arrested on your word alone. Give it a shot. Prove me wrong.”
I WILL prove you wrong, half-wit–not only with personal experience but with my educational background involving law enforcement. I was assaulted by an associate of my mother’s. Guy was never arrested, since they never found any significant marks on me (though I was hit in the face)–though he DID have to go to a District magistrate hearing–which he WALKED out of, having only to pay a fine.
Plus, cops just can’t randomly arrest someone with a penis on the word of a woman (or anyone) simply claiming domestic violence. This isn’t like the Chris Rock video about riding in a car with a pissed off woman (“He got weed!! He got WEED!!”)…police need a few nice little things like “reasonable suspicion” and “reasonable doubt” before they can just slap the cuffs on anyone. Get offline and pick up a book once in awhile, moron.
Good ole NWO. He always springs some obscure internet article on us and is all like “See? See? Women are evil! Look everybody! See? See?”
Except that there is already plenty of evidence against these propositions, and plenty of evidence of the effects of sexism. Hiding your head in the sand and claiming that men just might actually be inherently or statistically better and waving a hand at “all the things that have been done for women” is an abdication of any reason to be taken seriously as having anything to say about the real world.
“Men might actually be better at those fields.”
“Might be” is not “are.” If a person is qualified for the work, they are qualified for the work. You can’t make a blanket statement about effort and qualification based on gender. There are both men and women who are not qualified for certain jobs and don’t work hard, and should not be there. But if I produce better work then and a man with fewer experiences, fewer skills and less talent in the same field, and I am dismissed based on assumptions about my gender in that field without the opportunity to prove it, it IS sexist.
NWOslave, biology and English used to be primarily male-dominated. Now they are female-dominated. Did men become worse at English and bio, less driven, less naturally drawn or willing to put forth less effort over the last twenty years?
@10G
“Really? Then why do those of your ilk who claim such “oppression” simply because women are making gains in being treated as EQUAL HUMANS respond with rape and battery AGAINST WOMEN???”
A quota is an oppression, it elevates one groups status, (ability to equally compete), above anothers by State mandate. What could possibly be more discriminatory than taking funds from group x, and giving it to group y, so that group y can not only have an advantage, but be the only one allowed to attend/be employed or given the opportunity, just because they belong to group y?
You further scream your sexist tripe by saying men respond to women being treated as equal humans with violence and rape. How fucking evil men must be. As long as we think of women as less than human we won’t commit violence or rape against them. But as soon as we think of women as human, it’s too much for us and we just gotta beat and rape them.
This treating women as human nonsense really doesn’t cut the mustard. Possibly the saddest excuse for a Kafka trap. If you don’t agree with me you don’t think of women as human. Why not make it an agree with women quota?
@NWO
And maybe if women weren’t constantly being told from the beginning of time that they are not suited for those fields, their minds are too “frail” for those fields, they can’t do math, their place is in the home, science is not for ladies and the rest of that sexist bullshit, there wouldn’t be a need to ENCOURAGE women into those fields today. Your complete denial of history is pathetic so all you can respond with is “men are smarter neener neener”
Its not about lacking skills, it’s not about family, its about confidence. Surprise surprise. And I wonder WHY women don’t feel confident in their abilities? perhaps, I dunno, everything I just mentioned above has something to do with it? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111025091646.htm
Why do you CARE so much that women are being encouraged into STEM? oh yea, because you interpret it as some smear on masculinity and denying men of their “rightful place” in STEM. Get over yourself.
I’m with Holly…why ARE you here? what do you hope to gain from coming here? You don’t agree with us, we don’t agree with you…no…sometimes we agree with you, like with the sex abuse case you posted. But you obviously view us as the enemy, so why do you keep coming here? go back to whatever MRA site you came from and start a “ladies suck” club over there. I’m sure you’ll find a lot more people willing to join.
Dinkuss, a quota is NOT oppression–it offers EVERYONE (and not just the straight white MENZ) equal opportunities for employment, sports, etc. If ze menz would behave RATIONALLY we obviously wouldn’t NEED quotas, now would we?
I NEVER said men in general are evil…just YOU and your bretheren-in-man-diapers. And yes, as a generalization, the reason women ARE beaten and raped is due to male insecurity–women are raped and abused as a form of OPPRESSION. When you DO think of us as human and not a threat, the need to oppress diminishes. You got that, or do I need a translator?
Your last line is just so ridiculous, I think you’re just pulling stuff out of your ass (non-intentional “Human Centipede” reference) at this point. And what’s this shit about everybody going to Hell? Are you for real? Go hang at the WBC website and attach your gob to Inbred-Fred Phelps’ arse and go on forever about how nobody but FRED is going to Heaven.
Dude’s making me tired, somebody else want him?
This from the guy who equates women dressing scantily with men committing rape. I love this guy. So un-self-aware.
Haven’t you heard, Ozy? Edumacation has become incredibly feminized and anti-male! Why, there are posters telling mothers to get their boys to respect women and everything. There is an MRowlyslave answer to everything but hard facts.
NWO doesn’t just think ladies suck. He thinks everyone who isn’t like him sucks. And everyone who is like him also sucks because they let the ladies and other Inferiors take over. He thinks everyone is both evil and miserable, zero exceptions. Even DKM cracked for puppies. NWO has never admitted to liking or approving of anything in this world.
The specific thing he hates at the moment doesn’t even matter any more. It’s a completely impenetrable worldview and he’s completely unwilling to question any part of it.
Fundamentally, NWO, there’s nothing new or coherent you’re willing to say to us and nothing at all you’re willing to hear from us, so… why the fuck are you here, seriously.
True dat, Holly and Moe….that and he won’t tell me whether he actually MILKS the cows or just turns ‘em upside-down and shakes ‘em to get the milk out. Really annoying, I tell ya….;)
You only shake the cow if you want a milkshake. :)
@Jenn93
“Might be” is not “are.” If a person is qualified for the work, they are qualified for the work. You can’t make a blanket statement about effort and qualification based on gender.”
Yes you can. I can say with 100% assurance that the average man is stronger/faster that the average woman. I can say with 100% assurance that the strongest/fastest man is stronger and faster than the strongest/fastest woman.
These are just physical attributes, there are mental ones as well. Unfortunately, worldwide PC indoctrination calls it sexism. Ideology trumps truth and science.
Does this mean all men are better than all women in any particular field of science? Of course not. But if 100 men and 100 women apply for college, for any particular class, and of the applicants 70 men and 30 women are the best candidates, but 50% of the class must be women. We know for certain men are discriminated against due soley to gender.
We also know, as quotas are being demanded for CEOs, politics, education, in any realm of modern day society, a mans merit will be irrelevant due to his gender. Tyranny on a worldwide scale. Men need not apply. Must be left over sexism I guess.
Tell me? How long, in centuries, will men need to be punished for killing and dying to protect women and children at your behest? I mean a coupla hundred years ago the jobs were farmers, miners, shipbuilders, pretty much all manual labor jobs where women simply couldn’t compete with the best of men. How long will men be punished with the term, “sexism” for doing all those jobs. I mean seriously, you routinely mock men for not allowing women to do those jobs as if women could actually compete for those jobs a coupla hundred years ago. When will our time be served? When will we no longer deserve your distaste, disgust and revilement for doing all those things?
Man, the idea that you can get a guy arrested at your command flies completely in the face of reality. I don’t live in the US, so I’m not sure what things are like there, but my best friend got raped two years ago and NOTHING was done about it.
It was by a guy who was friends with her boyfriend. She was reluctant to tell anyone about it because he’d threatened to tell everyone, including her boyfriend, that it was consensual and she was lying to cover up her cheating. It was a he-said-she-said scenario, no witnesses, happened in her own home, etc.
Unfortunately, even though she didn’t tell anyone, he decided to spread the rumours anyway. Nobody at her school believed her side of the story and eventually she had to drop out because no one would talk to her. At this point there wasn’t really anything to lose, so she went to the police about it.
They did not arrest the guy. They didn’t do anything. They told her that, because she was quite young still, she couldn’t press charges unless her parents wanted to; that if she chose to, the court case wouldn’t begin for at least a year; that it would go on for weeks, if not months; that everything she had ever done wrong would be dragged up by the defense to attack her character; and that the chances of a guilty verdict were slim at best.
Needless to say, none of this appealed a frightened and lonely teenager, and she didn’t press charges. The guy’s reputation didn’t suffer at all, and he ended up going to college in another city, so even if everyone had believed her story it wouldn’t have had any impact on his life. Her boyfriend, decent guy that he is, believed her and stayed with her; they’re broken up now, but for entirely unrelated reasons.
What I know of this guy’s character leads me to believe that he was most likely guilty. I was at a party once where he tried to molest a girl who was passed out drunk. But there is a chance that his version of events is the honest one, and so he was never arrested. That’s how it works in the real world: people are innocent until proven guilty, even if that means that a lot of victims never see justice.
What the hell? I just spent the last two hours sitting in the street shouting, “THE FIFTY-SOMETHING DAIRY TECHNICIAN WHO POSTS ON THE INTERNET AS ‘NWOSLAVE’ IS A BAD MAN AND SHOULD BE THROWN INTO JAIL FOREVER WITHOUT TRIAL! HE CAN EASILY BE TRACKED THROUGH HIS ISP! I DON’T NEED TO GIVE A REASON! I’M A WOMAN!”
How are you still posting, NWO? My world has turned upside down.
I swear, it’s like NWO operates on some kind of anti-logic. He’s not merely illogical, he’s passed through logic and come out the other side.
How do you know this? Is there some secret other science that you have access to? Some Midwestern Journal Of Suppressed Research that had an article on it?
Did you actually learn this somewhere, or did you just decide it?
Also, unrelatedly: do you like anything? I don’t mean “women” or even “men” and certainly not “life,” but how about, I don’t know, Star Wars, or fuzzy kittens, or when they have free samples at the supermarket and there are little bits of cheese on toothpicks? Do you even like cheese, NWO? I’m reaching here.
@Quackers
I won’t even open your sciencenewsdaily link. I’ve been there before. It’s pure opinion based, leftist propaganda. There is no actual science in sciencenewsdailty. Unless of course science means opinion.
How an opinion based site can possibly use the term science in it’s heading shows quite clearly we’ve jumped the tracks.
Judging by what you’ve said I’ll assume the article is about a “confidence gap,” for women in STEM. Do tell, how much money, and how many new State agencies will be needed to overcome womens confidence gap in the fields of STEM?
“ladiez is so stoopid! we can run faster!!!”
UGH. NWO has reached critical mass of tiresome. Seriously, NWO, what DO you like? Is there anything?
Perhaps you should take a break from all your hate. Go milk something.
@shaenon
“How are you still posting, NWO? My world has turned upside down.”
Try my little experiment out that I posted above for you. Do let me know when boyfriend/hubby get’s out of jail.
I do wonder sometimes about Troll Epistemology. It’s all very well to say “I reject science because it’s biased,” but then what do you accept? If you never believe books or news, what do you believe instead?
It’s not as simple as “take what you’re told and then do the opposite,” because I never see conspiracy theorists trying to prove that red blood cells don’t exist, or that koalas are actually rodents. It’s always the same few things. They’re getting this stuff from somewhere.
Is there a Troll Science High Command that issues papers on what to believe, or is it more of a peer-to-peer bullshit network?
These things almost fascinate me.
@NWO
First off, its scienceDAILY…not scienceNEWSdaily. You didn’t even open the link on basis that its leftist propaganda.
I think we’re done here.
NWO, once again you’re wrong about Science News Daily, but feel free to reject any facts. It’s served you so well thus far.
Seriously, man, how do you live day-to-day without exploding? You’re a hate filled pustule.
Shorter NWO: I can’t handle it when scientists contradict me! Science that contradicts me is propaganda!
From the article:
Why do I get the feeling Slavey could say the phrase “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” without a hint of irony?
@hellkell
Someone has to chip away at the pedestal. I’m concerned about your health. The damned thing is so high I’m afraid you’ll lose all oxygen to your brains at such a dizzying height.
Agreed, Dracula…..and FRAMITZ! Forgot to post that NO officer of the law can make an arrest without PROBABLE CAUSE…..d’oh!! Shaenon, not sure what you offered could be considered probable cause, but DAYMN, you gave me a good laugh!!
(Oh yeah, and to whomever back around Halloween posted that Slavey puts up crosses all over the house and screams at the “dirty pagans”–THANK YOU..am STILL laffin’ at that one!!)