100% Mathmatically Accurate! Manosphere blogger Dalrock on slut-shaming
"Kids Love it!" Another claim that is not 100% accurate.
The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
Posted on November 19, 2011, in antifeminism, bad boys, crackpottery, evil women, misogyny, patriarchy, precious bodily fluids, reactionary bullshit, sex, shaming tactics, sluts, thug-lovers. Bookmark the permalink. 1,285 Comments.
Okay, Molly Ren….
I guess that would be a debate that would have many shades of grey….
I suppose he is creating a dicotomy of good girl/bad girl–madonna/whore complex. I actually first read about that at a PUA site where the author suggested that it is the man’s job to make a woman feel safe to be sexual with him….
I think abortion should be legal up to birth, when things go wrong very late in pregnancy it can be deadly.
How will you be able to prove a woman aborted and not miscarried? If people are gonna get killed over this, shouldn’t it be really cut and dried?
Seems like you’re gonna need a LOOOOT of taxes for this…
i vote that everybody backs off and let NWO not get distracted here, so he can respond to Zhinxy :D
Except me… cuz I’m her herald :D
Now do you see why I think that feminists are completely bats**t CRAZY??
I offer a response to a reasonable question raised howthe concerns both of women committed to either virginity and purity or sex dissolution, and their families can be peacefully and profitably reconciled and harmonized. I provide an answer, and many of them, scream that it is a form of ‘slavery”, that I am justifying murder, “why not just kill them”, and so on…
ladies, I don’t know what the devil you want. You say that it isn’t your crazy hormones acting up, you say that you want to be talked to like you are capable of rational thought, and every time I offer a suggestion satisfactory to everyone, you and your demented kind bite my head off!
PS–Bee, I am Meller, NOT Mellertoad. Tell Nobinayamu likewise! I could certainly make fun of your names–and everything else about you–but I don’t. If modern psychiatrists ever need evidence to see that you modern women are NUTZ–all they have to do is look up manboobz.com and access your posts!
Women being sex-workers and entertainers, fine! Women being tradional wife and mother virgin types. That is wonderful too! Everybody is happy! Live and let live! Lord helpus!
I think my cuties want me…
Yup Zhinxy xD NWOrld is even MORE expensive than this one XD
Basically his Libertarianism is “I’m king, I don’t pay taxes, everybody else does in order to fund my maniacal schemes”
xD
“…when things go wrong very late in pregnancy it can be deadly.”
I realized I was clamping my legs together a little bit just *thinking* about those things. Much more effective than slut shaming! :P
A one year old doesn’t need it’s mother’s womb to survive. There is a huge difference.
“Women being sex-workers and entertainers, fine! Women being tradional wife and mother virgin types. That is wonderful too! Everybody is happy! Live and let live! Lord helpus!”
But what if I want to be a fighter pilot, DKM?
I feel better going to bed now that Ami’s here.
*tags Ami in*
*wonders how an anarchist non-State will enforce abortion restrictions considering how even extremely repressive states haven’t eliminated illegal abortions*
*realizes she’s criticizing the paint job on an ideological Titanic*
*goes to bed*
Molly Ren – so long as you’re an ENTERTAINING fighter pilot :)
@Zhinxy NWO’s talked about his schools before xD He wants only heterocisnormative books taught and science that conforms to his creationist beliefs ande tc etc brainwashing XD
No other options besides “housewife” and “whore,” right, Mellertoad? If you think that’s a reasonable solution to your “woman problem,” you are the batshit one here, not us.
You’re vile.
I feel much less squicked now I know Meller is talking about dolls, not actual people.
DKM:
I see, so the “choice” is either being a good daughter, wife, and mother (under your own definition) or being “offered” into involuntary prostitution.
“I see, so the “choice” is either being a good daughter, wife, and mother (under your own definition) or being “offered” into involuntary prostitution.”
See, “writer” isn’t on there anywhere! Not even “secretary”! What if I want to be a firefighter or a physicist or trade stocks? Under this definition I can’t even play girl’s soccer! >:(
Holly Pervocracy | November 19, 2011 at 11:13 pm
I feel better going to bed now that Ami’s here.
*tags Ami in*
:D
Have a good sleep Holly :D Sweet dreams! I’ll handle this :D
SaruGoku: the >:( was for DKM, not for you, by the way! XD
@stoner, the problem with the dna argument is that cancer, which has unique dna, is not a person, but identical twins, with matching dna, are people. In fact, it is perfectly scientifically possible to easily make a half dozen genetically identical individuals from the same fertilized egg. Did you just make one person into six if you do this? If we are defining personhood, this is an extremely sloppy way to do it. I am inclined to define personhood in terms of ability to have thoughts, emotions, etc., not dna. Studies on fetal brain development are interesting (also, they tend to come down solidly on the side of the vast majority of abortions occuring before there would be any consideration of the issue), but in my opinion, they are beside the point, because even if the fetus were a person, no person has the right to force use of another’s body in such a way.
@Quackers
“I don’t agree with this new policy. But if they insist on it they should release the men on the same terms too. Though I noticed you left out the part that said “Inmates who are fathers also may see early releases, if they’re considered “primary caregivers” for their children.”
You could care less about this policy. You’ll be the first to beat men over their collective heads, pointing out how more men are in prison, proving women aren’t as violent. That’s already used as proof when we already know for a fact men go to prison for crimes women skate free on. Men serve longer sentences. There’s a million and one womens only defenses. We’ve got bi-polar this, post-partum that, infantcide for women, child murderer for men, battered womans defense, and even the all new, “low self esteem” defense.
Equality never tasted so good. Does it ladies? How sweet when women are forgiven for any crime, while men are incarcerated at the drop of any womans hat. And then you lovely equalty minded gals can cite prison statistics to back up your claim of women being so precious. Let’s all join hands in solidarity and celebrate women. More title IX, more quotas, more AA, more abortions, more, more, more of everything for women, They’re just so damned oppressed. And who are their oppressors? Why there’s only one group left. MEN!
My guess is the hatred will soon reach a intolerable state. Would you like more charity, more State agencies, more entitlements, more MSM promotion, more UN help, more love and understanding. Do tell?
@Molly come to Cybertron and become a Transformer! :D
*transforms from a hippo into a toaster!*
Whoops… that wasn’t quite what I was going for…
Was that a doll reference?
“Women being tradional wife and mother virgin types.”
Taking the Madonna/whore dichotomy just a little bit too literally, I see.
Meanwhile, in the real world, mothers are usually not virgins.
How sweet when women are forgiven for any crime,
o_O
Do you mean ALL women? o: ANY crime huh o:
Equality never tasted so good. Does it ladies? How sweet when women are forgiven for any crime, while men are incarcerated at the drop of any womans hat. And then you lovely equalty minded gals can cite prison statistics to back up your claim of women being so precious.
I’m unsure what you’re referring to here xD
The only person who thinks women are “precious” is you and Meller xD
You should be yelling at yourself… and Meller (it’s odd how you don’t get mad at Meller for ANYTHING… but then… men = good, women = bad XD )
If we can incarcerate any man any time we want, how come you’re not in jail? xD Given that you think every woman here hates you, how come none of them have gotten you locked up yet?
How come none of the trolls here have been jailed? o_O
Meller, you are not explaining how the individual choices of the women are respected in their becoming housewife or sex worker. Do you have answers in these areas?
So Meller suggests that unmarried women should be forced to sexually service men, are to be “trained” and kept “clean” and he accuses us of being crazy?
Yea.
Here are a group of people on the internet arguing with two other people that women are human beings and not slaves. If that isn’t proof enough that feminism is still needed, I don’t know what is.
Also, why should a housewife NOT be a sex worker? Why should a sex worker not be a mother or entertainer – And btw, your conflation of sex work and entertainment is… Interesting. I picture you muttering about Vaudeville and hussies…
“because even if the fetus were a person, no person has the right to force use of another’s body in such a way.”
So this becomes a host/parasite idea as in one cannot live outside the other regardless of wether that one is a person or not….
anyways, I’ve read somewhat on this…most notably Carl Sagan’s Demon Haunted World….
Still haven’t made up my mind on this issue….
It feels like a particularly male idea that there has to be a *moment* when life begins, or becomes human. Women might feel it’s more a process, with no bright line.
That’s the feeling I get from discussions, but then I don’t discuss it very much.
” Would you like more charity, more State agencies, more entitlements, more MSM promotion, more UN help, more love and understanding. Do tell?”
more charity, more love, more understanding, and none of the other stuff.
Including, apparently, your “State womb and property law agency”:
Again, are we paying taxes?
DSC has a good theory xD That NWO is upset that Meller’s replaced him as the “main” troll xD
Whoops, I forgot to say no offense to toads.
Yup Zhinxy xD NWOrld is even MORE expensive than this one XD
Basically his Libertarianism is “I’m king, I don’t pay taxes, everybody else does in order to fund my maniacal schemes”
xD
Yeah… seems like.
Again, do you identify Libertarian, NWO? Can you at least answer that?
@NWO
Care to provide some proof for this “low self esteem defense?”
And don’t tell me what I do and don’t care about. I think this policy is unfair. They should release men on the same terms.
Equating it to shutting down women’s prisons is just stupid though.
DKM:
You want to enforce the old “virgin/whore” dichotomy, forcing women who want to
be personally and sexually independent into involuntary prostitution and you saw we are the ones who are crazy.
You’re barking dude.
“I offer a response to a reasonable question raised howthe concerns both of women committed to either virginity and purity or sex dissolution, and their families”
Again,k this isn’t just “feminists being crazy,” these are prime libertarian issues? How is choice and consent respected in your world, and why is the individual subsumed under the family in a supposedly individualist system?
In regard to sluts vs. marriageable women, I have to ask, what about men who marry these so-called “sluts”, and don’t care? It happens. If some of these “Alpha” dudes are marrying the sluts, doesn’t that make them marriageable by definition?
I mean, I’m not interested in getting married, but I’m not about to tell any women I get involved with that they can’t have sex with other people. And I know there are men for whom marriage is important that feel more or less the same way.
NWO’s absence better be that he’s writing up a long and thought-out response to all of Zhinxy’s points above and not…. that he’s doing his usual dodgy thing xD
“It feels like a particularly male idea that there has to be a *moment* when life begins, or becomes human. Women might feel it’s more a process, with no bright line.”
Honestly, I just like being able to use science to back up anything that will keep me from having to bring a child to term that was conceived against my will. Most of the sex I’m having doesn’t even involve cock, but I keep thinking about how common rape is…
Parasite! It’s just so feminist of a description! Well I guess we can dispense with the silly notion of primary caregiver. Nothing says a mothers undying love like a parasite grows within me.
“Hey mom! What did you think of me when you were pregnant?”
“Why I thought you were a fucking parasite! You’re lucky I didn’t kill you!”
On that high note, clearly demonstrating a modern womans love, tenderness and compassion. I’ll bid you good day.
NWO is trying to find an dictionary both old enough to be untainted, and containing a definition of ‘libertarian’
“It feels like a particularly male idea that there has to be a *moment* when life begins, or becomes human. Women might feel it’s more a process, with no bright line. ”
If I were to father a child, I would probably feel the moment of conception was when I had my orgasm.
You wanna be a “fighter pilot”, Molly Ren? Oh Gosh, I don’t know!! Ask the other fighter pilots! Ask their Commander! Ask the manufacturers of the fighter aircraft if they are safe to be piloted by mere women! Ask the insurance companies who after all, have millions of $$$ on the safety and reliability of this mess! Ask the crews of the real fighter pilots would they feel safe, and would they be able to concentrate on their jobs in combat being piloted by a female?
Go be a goddam fighter pilot, Molly Ren! Things in feministville are so utterly goofy, I don’t know what the hell to do!
All fighter pilots should be women, as well as Submarine crews, Underwater demolition teams, Tank and artillery specialists, and, just for the heck of it, Army Rangers and Navy Seals as far as I am concerned! Your ideas here are completely jackass, but they are no goofier than most of the other ideas you people come up with, which are often even translated by the government into actual law and judicial rulings!
NWO’s absence better be that he’s writing up a long and thought-out response to all of Zhinxy’s points above and not…. that he’s doing his usual dodgy thing xD
OF COURSE HE IS! How can you say that about NWO!
“Parasite! It’s just so feminist of a description! Well I guess we can dispense with the silly notion of primary caregiver. Nothing says a mothers undying love like a parasite grows within me.”
Did NWOslave just call stonerwithaboner a feminist? Isn’t stonerwithaboner MRAL?
“It feels like a particularly male idea that there has to be a *moment* when life begins, or becomes human. Women might feel it’s more a process, with no bright line.”
What with the the whole FAAB-genderqueer-in-male-dominated-profession thing, I’m kind of unconvinced by the general notion of “particularly male ideas” vs. some sort of feeling seen as “female”. Even — and perhaps especially — when the supposed set of notions attached to my physical configuration are positively described.
I’m surprised Meller never brought up the virginity tests they do in Egypt. Check if the hymen is in tact. If not, enjoy your new life of sexual slavery!
Stoner – that’s what I was suspecting. that men feel there is a *moment* because of that. Your baby’s mother would feel different over the next 9 months, it wouldn’t be no-baby one second and baby the next.
I might be lighting a kegbomb here, but for the sake of argument…..
Alright, wouldn’t sex selective abortion such as that practiced in india and China be misogynistic?
Now I’ve seen the argument presented here as a choice of bodily autonomy but would the above present a significant contradiction for Feminists?
Thanks firebee – it’s good for me to hear opinions from people different to my usual friends. I have learnt a lot from the people here at manboobz.
What? Are you just trolling in hopes of getting this vid as a response?
Molly Ren said:
“See, “writer” isn’t on there anywhere! Not even “secretary”! What if I want to be a firefighter or a physicist or trade stocks? Under this definition I can’t even play girl’s soccer! >:(”
Yep, if you don’t want to be a virgin/mother your only other option is prostitution. If you want to be a fighter pilot, nuclear physicist, writer or indeed, follow any other profession you are shit out of luck. Funny how all this boils down to is servicing men. He wants women to have literally no other alternatives.
Meller, let me just share an anecdote with you. ONe of the best things that happened to me in my stint in the military was during a ship’s tour. An old, grizzled Korean vet – A former tank commander with shrapnel in his knee – Said to me: “Miss, can I just say… It’s SO NICE to see you girls finally on the ships. It REALLY IS. I always hated that seperate service BS.”
“Thankyou, Sir”
“No. Thank YOU.”
And that’s all I have to say about that.
So now misogynists don’t get bodily autonomy, is that what you are arguing for? It is sort of like free speech, you don’t deny a basic right just because you don’t like how someone else uses it/think that person is an asshole.
Stoner, go back to the basic idea ‘women and men are equally valuable’. there’s no contradiction.
Mellertoad, is it your time of the month? You’re getting so hysterical and worked up! You should go make some tea, get your tatting, and go talk to your dolls until you calm down, poor dear.
“Alright, wouldn’t sex selective abortion such as that practiced in india and China be misogynistic?
“Now I’ve seen the argument presented here as a choice of bodily autonomy but would the above present a significant contradiction for Feminists?”
I thought that *was* misogynistic? I mean, you’re selecting because you don’t want a *female* child, not because you’re unable to care for a child or don’t want one at all?
“”Alright, wouldn’t sex selective abortion such as that practiced in india and China be misogynistic?
Now I’ve seen the argument presented here as a choice of bodily autonomy but would the above present a significant contradiction for Feminists?””
Of course it’s misogynistic. So you fight misogyny. (Also, you look into women being coerced into those abortions – Because that’s very wrong. )
Also, the alternative is likely to be infanticide and/or abandonment of born infants. I’m sure you can see through your life-begins-at-conception blinders to note that that WOULD be a far worse thing. Fight misogyny. Fight the devaluing of women. And you can’t do that without valuing bodily autonomy, whatever your position on the morality of abortion.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Female_Starscream
this must make Meller v upset xD
While the Transformers fandom has long mused upon the possibility of female “Seekers” (and produced countless self-insertion characters that are variants on the theme),
Meller, you need to yell at these fans and set them straight. Apparently there’s a lot of ppl who think there shouldn’t just be female jet pilots but female JETS xD
So… NWO DID do his dodgy thing and he just ran away xD So much for that. Who wants to bet that next time he shows up he’s going to ignore me and Zhinxy again XD
Your suggestion is not acceptable to most women, Meller. Try again.
And Meller, beyond that – I’m sure you agree that NO-ONE should be in the military. That there should be no state, and no wars, period. So why mutter about how women are ruining an institution that you think should not exist?
(Yes I had and have a lot of conflicting feelings regarding my military service, to state the obvious)
So am I jumping to a conclusion or would the Feminist Critic on Sex Selective Abortion be that it is fundamentally a problem of the sexism in the culture and not a problem with the procedure?
I’ve seen ppl try to use the “what if people select for aborting zygotes with a chance to be queer, or trans or etc…” tactic to sway queer pro-choicers to be anti-choice… but it doesn’t work cuz even IF people are doing that… well then that would be about educating people that there’s nothing wrong with queer or trans ppl, but ultimately the decision is still up to the individual who is pregnant.
And the issue in China also has a lot to do with the one child policy…
but again, as DSC says, it’s still their right… their body and their choice..
He is entitled to his opinion, and Heaven knows, he isn’t the only one nowadays, but it still sounds odd to me! VERY odd, indeed!
What ever happened to the days when women were thought to bring bad luck if they were in the crew of ships? Maybe our great grandparents knew something that we have forgotten!
So true! No man has ever used a self-defense plea.
I’m kinda disappointed in DKM’s response to my fighter pilot question. It’s hard to argue with someone who thinks female fighter pilots don’t already exist… but that’s okay, because his blindness also makes him totally unable to stop us. :D
Actually, DKM, why do we even need your Utopian vision of women are already not fighter pilots in your mind?
What ever happened to the days when women were thought to bring bad luck if they were in the crew of ships? Maybe our great grandparents knew something that we have forgotten!
That’s easy for you to look at though. Are there a higher % of boats sinking now vs then? XD
anyways as far as the fighter pilot commnets, you might find this tidbit interesting if you like Sci-Fi….
In Starship Troopers, the author proposed that women specifically made better pilots than men because they were better able to handle G-Forces….
I think the reason that Meller has these strict divisions of male and femaleness yet doesn’t seem to see any contradiction with himself collecting and playing with dolls is that his dolls form into a giant robot XD