100% Mathmatically Accurate! Manosphere blogger Dalrock on slut-shaming
"Kids Love it!" Another claim that is not 100% accurate.
The director of the first Human Centipede film – the one about a psychopathic doctor who sews three unwilling and unwitting captives together mouth-to-anus to make a sort of “centipede” — proudly declared that his film was “100% medically accurate.” That is, he found a doctor who was willing to say that if one were indeed to create such a centipede, the second and third segments (i.e., people) would be able to survive, provided that you supplemented their rather dismal diet with IV drips to give them the nutrition they were lacking.
This dubious claim to 100% accuracy came to mind today as I perused a post by the blogger who calls himself Dalrock, a manospherian nitwit with a penchant for pseudoscientific defenses of old-fashioned misogyny. In a post with the whimsical title “We are trapped on Slut Island and Traditional Conservatives are our Gilligan,” Dalrock argues that the best “solution” to out-of-wedlock births is some good old-fashioned slut shaming.
Here’s how he breaks down the (imaginary) numbers in a post that is “100% mathematically accurate” – which is to say, not accurate at all:
Assume we are starting off with 100 sluts and 30 alphas/players. The sluts are happily riding on the alpha carousel. Now we introduce slut shaming. It isn’t fully effective of course, but it manages to convince 15 of the would be sluts not to be sluts after all. This means an additional 15 women are again potentially suitable for marriage. This directly translates into fewer fatherless children. This also makes the next round of slut shaming easier. Instead of having 99 peers eagerly cheering her on her ride, each slut now has 15 happily married women shaming her and only 84 other sluts encouraging her. After the next round this becomes 30 happily married women shaming the sluts, and only 69 other sluts cheering them on, and so on. This process continues until all but the most die hard sluts are off the carousel. You will never discourage them all, but you can do a world better than we are doing today.
Why not shame the fathers as well, while we’re at it? Dalrock explains that this just doesn’t make good mathematical sense:
Start with the same base assumption of 100 sluts and 30 players. Now apply shame to the players. Unfortunately shame is less effective on players than it is on sluts, so instead of discouraging 15% of them (4.5) in the first round, it only discourages three of them. No problem!, says the Gilligan [the social conservative], at least there are now three fewer sluts now that three of the evil alphas have been shamed away, and all without creating any unhappy sluts! But unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. The remaining 27 players are more than happy to service the extra sluts. They are quite maddeningly actually delighted with the new situation. Even worse, the next round of player shaming is even less effective than the first. This time only 2 players are discouraged, and one of the other 3 realizes that his player peers are picking up the slack anyway and reopens for business. This means in net there are still 26 players, more than enough to handle all of the sluts you can throw at them.
Well, there’s no arguing with that!
Seriously, there’s no arguing with that, because it is an imaginary construct with only the most tenuous connection with how things work in the real world. “But … MATH!” doesn’t really work as an argument here, since human beings don’t actually behave according to simplistic mathematical formulas.
Film critic note: While the first Human Centipede film offered little more than a workmanlike treatment of a fantastical idea, the recently released sequel, which details the attempts of a deranged Human Centipede superfan to take human-centipeding to the next level, is actually sort of brilliant. If you like that sort of thing.
Posted on November 19, 2011, in antifeminism, bad boys, crackpottery, evil women, misogyny, patriarchy, precious bodily fluids, reactionary bullshit, sex, shaming tactics, sluts, thug-lovers. Bookmark the permalink. 1,285 Comments.
“What’s a good excuse to murder an unborn child who has never committed even the slightest offense to anyone?”
I’ll say it again, NWOslave thinks “abortion” is always when we cut the baby out in the 7th month and knock it on the head. If the condom breaks during sex and I take Plan B the same day, is that “murder”, NWOslave?
Abortion existed long before Roe v. Wade, NWO. And abortion was legal before it was illegal. Women have terminated unwanted pregnancies for centuries. I don’t agree with your definition of the beginning of life. Hell, a woman is not even pregnant upon conception; implantation remains the standard. But I strongly doubt you have the rudimentary knowledge of reproduction to understand, or care about the difference. The fact that you compare newborns to zygotes is ample proof of that.
But stating, repeatedly, that the government created abortion is absurd, revisionist history. Even for you Which… I don’t know. Revisionist history is probably the only thing at which you excel.
Interestingly enough, although the “pollice verso” (the hand gesture which decided the fate of defeated gladiators) is commonly thought to be a thumbs up or thumbs down, there’s no actual indication of what the specific gesture was, other than that it involved thumbs.
So you, personally, value human life, milkslave? Quick question: Unemployed woman and her three kids. Single mom. She knows who the dads are, but they don’t pay child support. She used to have a job, but the third kid is sick, needs a lot of attention, etc. In your worldview, who makes sure that she and the kids don’t starve, long term? Who makes sure that they have the health care they need? Do you think she should be able to report sexual harassment and sexual violence to the police and be protected? What about her 13-year-old daughter — should she be protected from sexual harassment and sexual violence?
I really don’t think you value human life, milkslave. You don’t even do a job pretending you do.
@Rutee Katreya
“By your logic, you are a murderer if you haven’t donated all your organs. Are you a murderer, milkboy?”
No, that’s by your logic, which isn’t logic at all. How many organs does a woman donate to the fetus? A detailed listing would be most appreciated.
“What’s a good excuse to murder an unborn child who has never committed even the slightest offense to anyone?”
NWO, that answer is a bit light on practical details, and I’m not sure how it applies to my question.
The question was: what should my friend have done about the skull stuck in her tube?
“How many organs does a woman donate to the fetus? A detailed listing would be most appreciated.”
Nah, we just feed it with the nutrients we eat and share a bloodstream and make a whole ‘nother organ for it…
@Nobinayamu
Were you a zygote?
I just thought I would re-race some of what NWO wrote to show just how bigoted he really is.
Why yes, NWO, science has found that things like stereotype threat do indeed affect performance on objective tests. It’s called stereotype threat and has measurable, repeatable effects. People of darker skin tones and women are, in fact, just as good as straight white males in the whole dinkum thinkum department given similar education and other conditions, but their performance can be affected by stereotypes. You’re very astute!
Funny, but reading that I would have thought you thought there was something somehow wrong with this conclusion. If you were a lesser man, I might think that your mind could not handle the idea that people can be negatively influenced by other people, but I know better.
No, slavey, you were responding to my comment pointing out the fact that you don’t know what the word “autonomous” means, despite having used it several times. Your ignorance of newborn behavior is an entirely separate issue.
“If you were a lesser man, I might think that your mind could not handle the idea that people can be negatively influenced by other people, but I know better.”
Since NWOslave is made up of nothing *but* negativity, he’s never had this problem. It’s like the ocean worrying about getting wet!
The use of her uterus and stomach. Abortion is nothing more and nothing less than denying the use of the mother’s body to the fetus. That it can’t survive is a shame, but it’s hardly murder, anymore than your refusal to donate the use of your organs to other people who will die without them is murder. So thanks for answering, Milkboy, by your logic, you’re a murderer. We already know you’re a wannabe rapist, from your rape slave fantasies (No, seriously, we’re not going to forget).
Pretty much all the woman’s organs contribute to the fetus, by handling its nutrient exchange and immune system and all that for up to 9 months, although it only physically occupies or displaces a few organs.
NWO doesn’t give a shit about people outside the womb, especially if they’re women.
Lear what “autonomous” means, NWO.
So what happens to me if I won’t pay taxes to support your stripped down Womb Police State, NWO? You throw me in prison? You support the father’s right to “kill the murderer of his child.” So are you pro death penalty? I am not. If I refuse to pay taxes to your death penalty State? You throw me in prison?
@Molly Ren
You didn’t make a whole ‘nother organ for it. If anything, that seperate life form made it. That’d be a biological function.
Are women born with a fetus? Are women born with that whole ‘nother organ? That’s how you know a child isn’t part of you. The only thing a woman has to do in order for that seperate life form to reach their potential, barring any unforeseen complications, is not kill.
And women die in childbirth, NWO. By definition, a woman risks her life to bring another into the world. How can you mandate this risk by law? And what will you do to me if I refuse to pay your taxes?
How is babby formed??
We’re arguing about personhood with a guy who doesn’t actually view women as people.
Owly, do you know what a placenta is?
Wow have you not been pregnant.
(Neither have I, but at least I respect people who have and I’ve actually listened to them. It’s hardly a matter of “la la la go about your business trouble free la la la” and then a baby painlessly and safely plops out.)
Bagelsan, you beat me to it! I want to see the babby chapter in the book o’ larnin’! :)
@zhinxy
“So what happens to me if I won’t pay taxes to support your stripped down Womb Police State, NWO?”
Womb Police State? I’m not asking for anything extra. Don’t kill. I realize I’m such I misogynist. How dare I ask women not to kill.
Well now, you’ve framed the question wrong. What’s a good excuse to end an unwanted pregnancy, you mean? Or, slightly more nuanced, I guess: What’s a good excuse to terminate a fetus that didn’t have the capacity for good or evil?
The only answer I can give to that, milkslave, is that I have respect for women who need to make decisions about their bodies. I would never substitute my judgment for the woman’s and whoever she trusts to help her make the decision, be it her husband, boyfriend, doctor, or family. What’s a good excuse for a person making a medical decision that doesn’t affect me? Probably that person, in their own specific circumstance, would know best, right?
I don’t buy into the idea that personhood begins at conception, though. I support physician-assisted suicide. I don’t support the death penalty or unnecessary wars, and I believe that people have the duty to make sure that, to the extent that they are able, the other living people around them are able to live lives free of pain and suffering. So we’re probably at opposite ends of the spectrum. And THANK FUCKING GOD for that.
Okay, Owly, but when a woman does “kill” a fetus, then what do you do? Just look at her very very sadly and maybe sniffle a little?
“We’re arguing about personhood with a guy who doesn’t actually view women as people.”
Spearhafoc is a point. I am going to make a grilled cheese and be happy that I can have sex without having to carry a baby anytime soon.
*has a point!
NWO, I wouldn’t want to bring a child into a world where people like you exist =P
Yes you are. You’re asking for extra laws. Laws require government.
NWO, looking at things from another angle, what’s a good excuse to bring a new human being into the world?
NWO clearly knows nothing about female anatomy or reproduction. I’m kind of surprised he doesn’t think the stork brings babies.
@zhinxy
“So what happens to me if I won’t pay taxes to support your stripped down Womb Police State, NWO?”
Womb Police State? I’m not asking for anything extra. Don’t kill. I realize I’m such I misogynist. How dare I ask women not to kill.
So, you will throw me in prison if I don’t pay taxes to support a State with policies I do not support. Lovely. Statist.
I was born because my mother spent nine months performing very hard, potentially life-threatening work, followed by several hours of intense pain. During that period I was a parasite, feeding off resources her body very much needed – if it weren’t for the modern medicine of 1976, I would have either caused her lasting damage from nutritional deficiencies or been miscarried.
And all this from a pregnancy that was about as easy as pregnancies get!
I’m glad that she wanted me enough to go to all the effort and risk, but the idea of her being forced into it against her will makes me sick.
Your “autonomous being at conception” foolishness insults my mother’s courage and ignores her work. Don’t do that.
I’ll throw you this, NWO – Heck, I’ll shout it from the rooftops. It is morally wrong for me to force you to pay money to a goverment whose morals on abortion you do not support. So I would never do so. But you would. Statist.
And he condemns single mothers…
@Holly Pervocracy
“(Neither have I, but at least I respect people who have and I’ve actually listened to them. It’s hardly a matter of “la la la go about your business trouble free la la la” and then a baby painlessly and safely plops out.)”
Oh well, perish the thought that a woman should feel any pain or inconvenience what-so-ever. Please forgive my callousness. Killing it is. I too have a book o larnin. If a woman feels any pain, kill whatever causes it. No woman should ever feel discomfort. Go kill, go die, off to war we go, a woman feels discomfort.
Oh well, perish the thought that a woman should feel any pain or inconvenience what-so-ever. Please forgive my callousness. Killing it is. I too have a book o larnin. If a woman feels any pain, kill whatever causes it. No woman should ever feel discomfort. Go kill, go die, off to war we go, a woman feels discomfort.
No. A woman risks her life.
And you would jail me if I did not pay taxes to a State that would apply the death penalty to women who cannot take that risk. Statist.
My sister had to spend several weeks hospitalized during her last pregnancy (her current one is going better, but she still had to leave her job because of her health dangers) because her kidneys started to fail. Pregnancy is a very high risk issue (one in ten risk of serious complications, and that’s in a developed country). The question of which organs the fetus uses is all of them and pregnancy leaves permanent physical changes, to the point where you can makes a pretty good estimate of how many times a person has given birth from the skeleton alone. Not to mention how extremely invasive and hampering all of the medical care around pregnancy is. Every had a doctor stick their arm up inside you, NWO? Most pregnant women have had that one happen multiple times before it is through. Having blood tests, ultrasounds, the list goes on and on. Even a “healthy” pregnancy carries a lot of issues for the pregnant person’s lifestyle, physical comfort, privacy, body, etc.
In fact, you’re the only one who has a book o larnin, milkslave. You’re special that way.
It’s a pity he doesn’t work on the dairy with the cows. He might have picked up a bit of info on ‘where calves come from’. At least I know now why he won’t answer my question.
Oy, again with the war. We were talking about abortion, NWOslave. Pick a subject and stick with it.
Protip: If you are physically incapable of gestating a fetus and delivering a pregnancy, you don’t get to tell people who are physically capable of those actions how simple/easy/morally required carrying a baby to term is.
In this case, it really is that simple.
I know that not everybody here agrees with Amanda Marcotte on a lot of things, but I begin to suspect that the reason she’s held up OMGmosthorribleradicalfeministonlineever is because she’s so devastatingly right about forced-birth pieces of shit like NWO.
Her argument is that the whole point of the “life begins at conception” argument is to erase all the effort contributed and the risks taken by the inconveniently-sentient vessel into which a man ejaculates to create his baby.
And behold. She could make her next blog post on the subject by cutting and pasting from NWOSlave on this thread.
All these horror stories make me wanna rush out and get my tubes tied XP
It is horrible for men to be marched off to war and perhaps die “to protect the children” because the evil women and big Daddy say so, but it is good for women to be forced to give birth and perhaps die for the babies because the good men and Good Father State says so, Spearhafoc. It’s all relevant. TOTALLY relevant.
Pregnancy is not discomfort, NWO. Pregnancy can, and often does, lead to death or serious health problems.
Also, in answer to your question: according to my ethical reasoning, it is acceptable to kill a sentient (feels pain) but not sapient (conscious) being, such as feti in most stages of pregnancy, when this causes the minimum of pain to the being killed and increases the net happiness of sapient beings. This is also my logic about when it is acceptable to kill animals.
@zhinxy
“I’ll throw you this, NWO – Heck, I’ll shout it from the rooftops. It is morally wrong for me to force you to pay money to a goverment whose morals on abortion you do not support. So I would never do so. But you would. Statist.”
As your words and the actions of feminists are opposite, I hope you don’t mind if I take your word with a bucket of salt. Being feminists are calling any cutting of your blessed PP slaughterhouses, “the war against women.”
How can anyone take anything feminists say seriously about being seen as human, when you can’t even not kill a human? And you’re totally mortified at the mere mention of not being allowed to kill. Oh how hard your lives are. Sniff, sniff, the bad man won’t let me kill. He’s so evil.
How about this as a compromise, NWOslave: “Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others”?
NWO is literally harder to argue with than some chatbots. Everyone here is making really interesting, varied points about abortion, and what do we get for our troubles?
“Don’t kill” repeated 500 times like it’s a golden turd of brilliance from the asshole of Einstein.
I wonder if NWO eats meat.
So you don’t deny it. You would force me to pay taxes to a State I did not support, and you would jail me for it. You are the one who loves Big Daddy, NWO.
You want to fuck 14-year-olds and keep women as slaves, NWO. You don’t have the moral high ground. Ever.
But seriously, I have no idea what the fuck you’re even trying to say at this point. Are feminists not human now?
“when you can’t even not kill a human?”
A fetus is not a human. It is a fetus >.>
Wonder how Meller thinks babby is formed, considering he thinks women are dolls. Must ask him next time he appears.
He’s trying to say a fetus is human, and we would kill a fetus, so we would kill humans.
Never you mind that he’s saying that – oh right, he’s saying *women* should die, and he doesn’t think women are people.
@ozymandias42
” Pregnancy can, and often does, lead to death or serious health problems.”
Often? Often leads to death? So does war, a hell of a lot more than pregnancy. Abortion leads to death at around 100%.
Seconded, and I’m not even the one who’d be pregnant.
Uh huh, and?
You still seem to be under the impression that most feminists are pro-war.
So no-one should be forced to go to war and perhaps die for others, and no-one should be forced to give birth and perhaps die for another, right? Right?
No, I have to pay taxes to NWO’s Good Father State, and he probably still has an army, a death penalty, schools, and other things I don’t agree with. Statist. Statist. Statist.
Fetuses die in wars, too.
but magpie, the women sit on the sides of the wars and dream about their pretty silk dresses!!!
As usual, NWOslave’s conception of “what women do right” is “bend over and let it happen.” As if babies are just born off in a cloud somewhere above the mother’s head, with no effect on the mother; as if doing right by a child is not an obligation requiring effort but just stepping out of the way while a newborn lifts its own way out through the vaginal canal by its own bootstraps. “Just don’t kill, that’s all” demonstrates that Owlyslave takes children far less seriously than people who think women should be allowed to have abortions take them.
Um, as a person whose life was actually, literally saved at a Planned Parenthood (because they caught and treated my cervical cancer when I was underemployed and had no health insurance), I must confess that calling defunding PP a war against women certainly seems entirely appropriate. How about it, milkslave? You love and respect all life! Would you root for my life in that situation, or the cancer’s life?
Seeing as how I’ve never killed a human, I’ll just ignore this part. But again, life =/ human =/ person.
And again, people kill all the time. Think of all the poor skin cells you killed when you were tying those cables! Think of all those poor brain cells you killed … whenever you killed all your poor brain cells! Think of all the lives that you end just by walking down the street or scratching yourself! You’re not allowed to kill, milkslave! Whatever will you do???
An oak is a tree because it was a tree from the beginning. If it hadn’t been a tree then it could never be a tree now. It’s a tree now because seeds are trees. It could never exist as a tree unless it always had been. ACORN = TREE.
My mother was in labor for 36 hours with me before they finally did the C-Section. (Later, they found out that the cord was wrapped around my neck three times.) It saved her life, but for some reason the epidural didn’t work. She felt everything when they cut into her. Could you force someone to do that against her will without quailing?
haha! I was just thinking on that Joanna. Actually it is something I’m considering. Oh noes! guess if I get my tubes tied that means I revoke my lady status as incubator!
too bad so sad.
And guys, its so obvious NWO values human life. Unless that human life is a woman.
I met a woman who gave birth to stillborn twins in the ruins of Nagasaki, NWO. I’m sure she just wanted a pretty kimono, you’ll tell me.
What if the man wants the woman to get an abortion, NWO? You never did answer Holly on that one. In your world, men never ever want women to abort?
@Joanna: listen to NWO bleat on this topic is making my tubes want to tie themselves. He keeps it up, they just might.
DSC wrote, “Pregnancy is a very high risk issue (one in ten risk of serious complications, and that’s in a developed country).”
Stuff like this makes me wonder why we’ve managed to reproduce this long at all. :P
NWO, what about a system where women have to give birth, but then men must stay home and in physical contact with the child(ren) at all times for the next several years, and must donate blood/tissue/organs/anything necessary for the kid’s well-being without the option of refusing? Naturally the men would also not be allowed to engage in any behaviors that might endanger themselves or the kid either, such as drinking or staying up super late or eating junk food, because their every physical function must be devoted to their offspring. Would that seem fair to you?
zhinxy, have you noticed that he never responds to me, and rarely responds to you?