Showdown: #MenCallMeThings versus The Catalogue of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics
The most common “critique” of the #mencallmethings hashtag that blew up on Twitter last week was that the women posting examples of misogynistic shit they got called online were making a big deal out of nothing. As the always-charming Ferdinand Bardamu so memorably put it:
It’s funny, then, that when MRAs find themselves described with less-than-flattering language they have a strange tendency to act like they’ve suddenly been struck with a case of the vapors. Witness the reaction of MRAs when someone calls them the “c-word.” No, not “cunt” – “creep.” As one outraged Men’s Rights Redditor recently put it, in a comment with 30+ net upvotes:
Creep shaming is probably one of the most insidious and anti-equality things you can do. The ability to label men as “creepy” is just one privilege that women enjoy, and a constant source of fear of ostracizing that all men must fear in our society.
When MRAs feel themselves being oppressed by such clearly man-hating language, they often refer to something called the Catalogue of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics, which, well, catalogues their language grievances in detail. According to the author of the Catalogue,
Shaming tactics are emotional devices meant to play on a man’s insecurities and shut down debate. They are meant to elicit sympathy for women and to demonize men who ask hard questions. Most, if not all, shaming tactics are basically ad homimem attacks.
Such shaming tactics, the author of the Catalogue says, with no evident awareness of the irony, are often used by “histrionic … female detractors who refuse to argue their points with logic” and the male “gynocentrists” who ally with them.
Here are some of the awful “shaming” remarks that get directed at MRAs, according to the Catalogue of Shaming Tactics:
“Stop whining!”
“Suck it up like a man!”
“You need to get over your anger at women.”
“You’re afraid of a strong woman!”
“You are so immature!”
“You are just bitter because you can’t get laid.”
“Are you gay?”
“That’s a sexist stereotype!”
“You need therapy.”
“You make me feel afraid.”
“Weirdo!”
“Loser!”
“You are so materialistic.”
“No woman will marry you with that attitude.”
“You are insensitive to the plight of women.”
Did someone just use the word "creep?"
Is that last one even an insult? It’s a fairly accurate description of a lot of MRAs, who take a certain pride in being “insensitive to the plight of women.”
So now that we’ve seen the horrible abuse that MRAs have to put up with on a daily basis, let’s take a quick look at some of the things that women and feminists regularly get from their detractors, as posted to the #mencallmethings hashtag and sent to Sady Doyle, who originated the hashtag. (These are all taken from a great post she did in the aftermath of #mencallmethings’ big blowup.) I think you will find the comparison instructive. Let’s start with the more straightforward slurs. (TRIGGER WARNING for, well, just about everything in the quotes that follow.)
Slut, cunt, bitch, whore, ugly, dyke, lesbo, unfuckable, crazy, delusional, liar, hysterical, autistic bitch child, feminazi, ballbuster, humorless, heartless whore, man hater, misandrist, stupid little girl, shrieky hysterical moron, airhead, spoiled little princess, stupid bitch, stupid fucking cunt, stupid feminazi cunt, an ugly bitter little woman, cumm guzzling closet lesbian, a pseudo-intellectual Insane Oversensitive Humourless Female supremacist.
Now let’s move on to complete sentences:
“You’re an ugly fucking cunt.”
“That sort of smirk is why God invented anal sex.”
“you’re so ugly you look like you have downs syndrome, you’d be thankful to be raped.”
“hope you catch a sexually transmitted disease or vagina cancer, cuntwit.”
”Stick a dildo up your dry vagina.”
“the only time your mouth should be open is when i’m putting my d–k in it”
“Your just a gay cunt who deserves to be punished.”
“A firm backhand to her whore face would provide her with a much needed attitude adjustment.”
“Fuck you bitch….ya need to get beat like ur pops use to do to u.”
“I hope you never have children, your daughters would be such sluts and end up murdered in a gutter by someone like me.”
You’re “not worth the effort to murder.”
“[The] only tragedy is that a bullet didn’t rip through ur brainstem after u were used 4 ur 1 & only purpose in this world.”
“what a long winded bitch. You certainly do need to be gagged.”
“You’re an annoying bitch with no friends.I’d love to run you over with my truck.”
“you stupid bitch, I should fuck the crazy right out of you.”
”i surely hope that one day you get raped.”
“[You] can’t be a female scientist, that phrase is an oxymoron,”
“it’s painfully obvious you’re a woman, get off the internet.”
“I will fuck your ass to death you filthy fucking whore. Your only worth on this planet is as a warm hole.”
“Do you need to file a hurt feelings report?”
As I noted before, despite my general unpopularity in the MRA world, I tend to get fewer of these things than, for example, most feminist bloggers with a similar degree of internet notoriety. But I get them. Here, for example, is the latest comment I’ve gotten from the guy who calls himself Nugganu, a sort of follow-up to a previous comment I quoted earlier in which he imagined me raped by ten black men:
He certainly does have a vivid imagination.
But, yeah, somehow it’s a little hard for me to feel a ton of sympathy for MRAs who so regularly work themselves into a lather over “shaming language” like “creep” and “loser” and “you are insensitive to the plight of women.”
Posted on November 13, 2011, in antifeminism, creepy, douchebaggery, evil women, homophobia, hypocrisy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, racism, rape, rapey, reactionary bullshit, reddit, shaming tactics, sluts, threats. Bookmark the permalink. 462 Comments.
Thanks hellkell, I thought their comments sounded pretty similar. I think I’m just going to ignore your self-appointed nemesis for now. He doesn’t seem to understand the concept of “expressions”.
“Maybe you could have referred to INCELs then, instead of virgins? I agree with you that they’re creepy, but I don’t think that’s any reason to insult all virgins anymore than it would be reason to insult all men.”
Puh-leze. Nowhere did I “insult all virgins”. I said these MRAs are angry, frustrated virgins, and they are. Reread the blog with its examples of vile and violent vitriole against women. Angry and frustrated. Why? They are involuntarily virgin. That doesn’t mean ALL virgins are angry, frustrated MRAs. Sheesh.
“Thinks that doing something sexual to someone against their will is going to win that person over to your point of view?…You call this person on our side???”
Sheesh again, I was joking. Hence the ;) Don’t take life so seriously.
FelixBC, “You know, given that we’re not so thrilled to hear MRAs say that feminism needs to be completely “revised”, and that various terrorists think the same about western culture, I’m just not into jumping on the bandwagon of blithely announcing that Islam needs to be revised and updated.”
Read the Quran and Hadith, you might change your mind.
Plus, I don’t get the just because were not thrilled to hear MRAs say Feminism needs to be revised and terrorists think the same thing about Western culture part of your comment. There are things out there than need to be revised, no matter what MRAs or terrorists think. Don’t make the mistake of thinking all ideologies are equal or even similar.
That being said, sure, there are probably aspects of both Feminism and Western culture that DO need revising. What – is culture, religion and isms meant to be stagnant? Just because nutters like MRAs and terrorists may want to revise something means that nothing should be revised, ever?
Many things need to be revised, Islam and MRM amongst them.
“Also, NC4OM, maybe go check out the work of several hundreds of years of Muslim writing and thought and culture before deciding in all your wisdom that it’s all shite, sorry, a “problematic” and “dangerous” ideology.”
You’re talking to someone who was born and raised in a Muslim family, Hon. Trust me. I know of what I speak.
“hellkell, you’re not a nice person.”
And somehow hellkell should now turn around, apologize profusely for daring to be rude, rude I tell you! and be more supportive and understanding of you. Well, fuck that. It’s not required. And you don’t get to demand it.
You claimed hellkell was an mra and I’m saying zie is not that is all. I have no idea where you are pulling me calling it an appropriate response from.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Keep%20fucking%20that%20chicken
@Xanthe
“the virulent woman-hating hyperbole being used by the trolls bore no relationship at all to the arguments being made in support of Rebecca.”
Amazing, disagreeing with a pampered little princess who simply couldn’t withhols her angst at being………wait for it………talked to in an elevator. Oh the horribly oppression women endure! How do you manage to keep your sanity?
Ya see the only one who was wrong was dear sweet Beckybitch. Yet you, in all your hatred of anything male, climbed aboard the team-woman bandwagon, as your doing now. What you should’ve said in a comment was, “this spoiled little bitch should keep her all-knowing trap shut. The world doesn’t revolve around her precious feelings, and she should be grateful any man even bothers talking to her” With any luck, word got around about her, and no man will come within spitting distance of her.
Ya see, when you spew a constant diatribe of hatred, which you support, you’re gonna get hatred in return.
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@thebionicmommy
“Many of the MRA’s really are extremists, scare others, and make generalizations about women.”
Say you’re on a dark road all alone with a flat tire and no cell phone. And a guy like me pulls over about 50 yards away and starts walking towards you. You’ll probably start to feel pretty darned scared. Of course when I finally get there and offer to give you a hand, maybe you’ll realize you’ve been indoctrinated to fear and hate men. What you should’ve been thinking was, “Thank God a man is here to help!”
As far as, “generalizations” go. There always seems to be a grain of truth to them. They didn’t come about for no reason.
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@Improbable Joe
“Naira totally ripped me off with that whole “if they’re hearing the same arguments over and over, they need to look inward” business”
That’s what people have been saying about feminism for a 100 years, it’s a hate movement. Maybe you should look inward?
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@No Cuntry 4 Old Men!
“Something went wrong somewhere. Could it be genetic?”
Feminism>Nazism/Pol Pot/Communism.
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@hellkell
“Frankly, she’s adding nothing but Islamophobia, and the jury’s still out on you.”
Lets see, Islamaphobia is bad, anti-semitism is bad, but Christian bashing is good. In fact, Christian loathing is specifically endorsed by feminism.
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On a happy note, no thanks to the vile hate movement known as feminism, check this out.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111111/NEWS03/111111020/Leahy-scraps-provision-upcoming-bill-following-complaints?odyssey=nav%7Chead
Men, for the time being, have retained the basic right of innocense which feminists tried to abolish. Well, when I say happy note I meant for men anyways. Don’t worry though, it’ll be back again next year under some name like womens freedom act, or attached to another bill and signed into existence.
I worked real hard on blocking the bill to revoke mens basic right to a fair trial. I signed petitions, wrote letters, sent links everywhere on where to sign to block this tyranny. MRAs everywhere rallied for this. I also, on several occasions gave everyone here a link for your signature to block this assault on a mans basic freedom. You mocked and ridiculed me. You spewed hatred at me. You refused. You looked forward to a mans assumed guilt.
“Say you’re on a dark road all alone with a flat tire and no cell phone. And a guy like me pulls over about 50 yards away and starts walking towards you. You’ll probably start to feel pretty darned scared. Of course when I finally get there and offer to give you a hand, maybe you’ll realize you’ve been indoctrinated to fear and hate men. What you should’ve been thinking was, “Thank God a man is here to help!”
Or our hypothetical woman could just change her own tire. I know, I know, her vagina renders her unable to operate even very simple tools…
I’m not scared of most men who randomly approach me. If most women who you approach seem to be scared of you, there’s a reason for that, and that reason is not “feminist indocrination”.
“Seriously, if any of you think “Keep fuckin’ that chicken, Joe” is an appropriate response to ANYTHING, there’s something seriously wrong with you.”
I’ve never heard that phraseology before and have no idea what it means. Care to explain?
But did she? Or did she just ignore that part of you in hopes that it “got better” or that you had a “come to Jesus” moment or whatever? You don’t make it sound like either of you came to a conclusion that is actually accepting of that part of each other’s personal beliefs.
Maybe “ignore it until it goes away” isn’t the best way of resolving conflict in a community that is united in an ideological purpose that emphasizes equality and respect, even of those who are very often “pwned” by the logic of our movement.
One lurker’s 0.02
/relurks
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Keep%20fucking%20that%20chicken
“In any case, KFTC seems to be a gesture of support to the recipient to continue doing whatever it is that they’re doing, despite what others may say, so long as it makes them happy.”
@NWOslave: You took my comment out of context. I was being playful and joking about Naira using what I said without attribution. Further, although some people here have been both unfair and unkind towards me, it doesn’t make your stupidity even a tiny bit more palatable to me. Unlike you, I’m not foolish enough to take a bad experience and extend it to some sort of negative judgment of an entire group.
NWOslave, are you an Islamophile?
Well, “just ignore it” can work to a certain extent in families because the bonds are strong enough that, no matter how much Relative X annoys you when they do Y, they are still a relative and you still love them. So you tolerate a lot of stuff that you wouldn’t from anyone else. This is not how political movements work.
NWO is a strict pedophile. He hates everything else.
Please note that he does not actually like kids either, he just wants to rape them.
ya see, that’s why I don’t post much… I can’t quite get the right words to get my thoughts out in a coherent and concise manner. CassandraSays said it better XD
@Kate: “Agree to disagree” is sometimes the best we can do. And sometimes “let me take you aside privately and talk to you” is a possibility versus “let’s derail every conversation every time someone diverges slightly from the perfect position, and drum them out of the group as fast as we can.”
“Say you’re on a dark road all alone with a flat tire and no cell phone. And a guy like me pulls over about 50 yards away and starts walking towards you. You’ll probably start to feel pretty darned scared. Of course when I finally get there and offer to give you a hand, maybe you’ll realize you’ve been indoctrinated to fear and hate men. What you should’ve been thinking was, “Thank God a man is here to help!”
Her reaction could be because of all the spooky movies she saw as a kid and the “be safe” “dont talk to strangers” conditioning and the fact that when a woman is raped, 99.99999999999999% of the time, its by a male.
For that matter, even if I were a man, if it were night, dark, isolated and a stranger was approaching me, I would be spooked at first too. Duh.
Crazy killers do exist, you know.
I kind of suspect that NWOs basic underlying problem is that there’s no warmth or happiness of any kind in his life. He’s too hateful for anyone to be affectionate towards, and that’s just fuelling his hatred of everything in a sort of feedback loop.
Notice how he gets really mad every time commenters express empathy/warmth/affection towards each other? I think that hits a sore spot for him.
“Keep fucking that chicken” is a phrase from the Daily Show. It’s a sarcastic “keep up the good work”. In this case, it means “keep digging that hole”.
@No Cuntry 4 Old Men!
“MRA and Islam are bedfellows for a reason (pun intended).”
Holy crap Dave! She said something bad about a faith other than Christianity.
Damn it, No Cuntry 4 Old Men!. We only endorse Christian bashing around these parts.
Saying all Christians are two-faced, murdering, fork-tongued, pedophile, women raping, steaming piles of horse shit, is quite acceptable. But ya gotta tippytoe around all other faiths, damn it!
Well, it’s originally from this, not the Daily Show.
But Jon Stewart was the one who made it a meme.
“Well, “just ignore it” can work to a certain extent in families because the bonds are strong enough that, no matter how much Relative X annoys you when they do Y, they are still a relative and you still love them. So you tolerate a lot of stuff that you wouldn’t from anyone else.”
Really? I find it the opposite. My family knows how to push my buttons and get under my skin more than non-relatives. I’m able to brush off alot of what non-relatives say because, well, I’m just not that close to them.
I use KFTC sarcastically, personally.
I’m torn between horrified and amused at the thought of these two mental titans playing Quien Es Mas Racist.
NC4OM, have you noticed that so far the only people who’ve in any way agreed with you when you start ranting about Islam have both been MRAs? If I were you I’d be a little concerned that I was attracting those kinds of intellectual bedfellows.
NWOslave, you didn’t answer my question. Are you, like many MRAs in the online “manosphere”, an Islamophile?
If so, why?
The thing is that even when relatives do deliberately push my buttons, they’re still family. No matter how much they piss me off, I’m kind of stuck with them. So there are lots of things which would cause me to sever ties with anyone else that when family say them I don’t immediately go “you are dead to me, never speak to me again” in the way that I might with anyone who wasn’t family”.
NWO:@Xanthe
“the virulent woman-hating hyperbole being used by the trolls bore no relationship at all to the arguments being made in support of Rebecca.”
Amazing, disagreeing with a pampered little princess who simply couldn’t withhols her angst at being………wait for it………talked to in an elevator. Oh the horribly oppression women endure! How do you manage to keep your sanity?
Ya see the only one who was wrong was dear sweet Beckybitch. Yet you, in all your hatred of anything male, climbed aboard the team-woman bandwagon, as your doing now. What you should’ve said in a comment was, “this spoiled little bitch should keep her all-knowing trap shut. The world doesn’t revolve around her precious feelings, and she should be grateful any man even bothers talking to her” With any luck, word got around about her, and no man will come within spitting distance of her.
Ya see, when you spew a constant diatribe of hatred, which you support, you’re gonna get hatred in return.
me: lol@ all of this because for once i actually remember the past thread as i think others might. theres something called context ha. she wasn’t even pissed or calling it oppression of any sort just mildly annoyed and also we were finding it amusing that people make these arguments that women are bringing the attention by dressing a certain way since we had both garnered unwanted attention while wearing heavy snow-gear. Man NWO twisted that!!
WTH? Did you see the look on that woman’s face when he said that? LOL
And since when do they say “fuck” on mainstream news, that too, during prime time?
ok, ya I can see that, but I’m not sure I can agree that the positions taken earlier in the thread (and not just by you) count as “diverging slightly” from the community. I mean, this all blew up with the concept that “othering” women was wrong, and then some people used that belief as a platform to “other” men, and were called on it.
It’s not a small side issue, it’s the root of feminism, and the root of where the MRAs get things wrong, isn’t it? That people are all people, whether male or female and they are entitled to be treated as such even if they won’t fuck some poor guy, or when they have been hurt (real or percieved) by an uncaring system and now want to form a commune away from it all. Still people.
I don’t see that as a point that feminists can “agree to disagree” on. If people give on that issue, where’s the solid unifying idea? What is feminism without the belief that everyone counts as a person even if they’re behaving in abhorent ways?
(and see where i get wordy… stopping now, promise)
Say you’re on a dark road all alone with a flat tire and no cell phone. And a guy like me pulls over about 50 yards away and starts walking towards you. You’ll probably start to feel pretty darned scared. Of course when I finally get there and offer to give you a hand, maybe you’ll realize you’ve been indoctrinated to fear and hate men. What you should’ve been thinking was, “Thank God a man is here to help!”
If the road is empty enough that I’m “all alone,” why doesn’t he just pull up alongside my car and ask if I want help instead of parking a bizarrely long distance away, solely so he can walk toward me silently before finding out if I even need assistance? Your hypothetical man sounds very strange. I wouldn’t really blame hypothetical-woman for being a bit nervous around someone who’s that oblivious to basic common sense.
@ Rutee – It’s like Clash of the Titans, the troll edition.
To be fair, as hateful and irrational as NC4OM is about Islam, at least she hasn’t declared a desire to rape children like NWO. So she kind of wins the semi-decent human being award by default.
I’m not sure I’ve ever met anyone who could top NWO on that front, actually.
@CassandraSays
“Or our hypothetical woman could just change her own tire. I know, I know, her vagina renders her unable to operate even very simple tools…”
Or you could just say thank you for your offer but I’m ok, and think to yourself what a kind and generous thing to do.
But of course you had to verbalize your indoctrinated hatred with the strong independent woman theme. And prattle on about your vagina not being a handicap. The indoctrination runs far too deep to actually not hate men. Doesn’t it?
LOL, Slavey. Oversensitive much? Women sure are oppressing you by being able to do things without your help, and you know, just know, that if you offered they’d go out of their way to insult you rather than just already be in the middle of taking care of the task themselves.
It must really suck to be you. I actually feel kind of sorry for you.
No it’s not. I’m a militant atheist, and even I would take issue with that statement, for the fact that it’s simply not true.
I have issues with all religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism included, but I wouldn’t smear the individual practitioners of those religions.
Insulting Islam and Judaism are especially fraught as both are minority religions in this part of the world. Christianity is not marginalised in the West. It’s the religion of the majority and of those in power – despite what your moronic conspiracy theories claim – and there’s no danger of the freedoms of Christians to practice their religion being taken away. Islam and Judaism also (whether incorrectly or not) have racial connotations in addition to religious and political, which makes those critical of them in particular somewhat suspicious.
“To be fair, as hateful and irrational as NC4OM is about Islam”
Cassandra, this really baffles me. Show me one comment, just one, where I was “hateful” and “irrational” about Islam. On the contrary, I have rationally said that as an ideology it is problematic wrt to womens rights and religious rights, and hence, needs to be revised, updated and feminized.
I fail to see anything “hateful” or “irrational” about that view.
Do you think that Islam does not need to be revised, updated and feminized? Do you think that it is not problematic wrt womens rights and religious freedom, as an ideology?
Moreover, why would you be of the opinion that revision of Islam would be hateful or irrational?
Do you think Feminism in general is hateful and irrational?
Seconding Polliwog on pulling up on the road. People trying to help usually pull up beside you and ask if you are OK, they don’t park a distance away and walk.
@NWOSlave:
Wait, what?
As far as my mother is concerned… yeah, she’s the only mom I’ve got. She’s also stopped with both the overt and the passive-aggressive stuff with religion almost completely. Very rarely she’ll say that she’s praying for me when I’m in a particularly bad place (like now, coincidentally) but she keeps it to a minimum for the most part. My dad doesn’t rock the boat by nature, so he’s never been a problem. The both of them have always pitched in and helped when things have gone pear-shaped in my life. When my wife was in the hospital a few years ago my dad hopped in the car and drove 500 miles overnight to help out. My mom sold off her vacation days to help us when I got laid off a few years ago, and insisted that it was a gift. Should I constantly argue with them over a philosophical difference every chance I get?
“Say you’re on a dark road all alone with a flat tire and no cell phone. And a guy like me pulls over about 50 yards away and starts walking towards you. You’ll probably start to feel pretty darned scared. Of course when I finally get there and offer to give you a hand, maybe you’ll realize you’ve been indoctrinated to fear and hate men. What you should’ve been thinking was, “Thank God a man is here to help!” ”
What a common every day situation to use! There are women that can change flat tires too you know. And men that can’t change flat tires. maybe in a perfect world i’d say “thank god someone is here to help”, but also in this world that we live in that is not being very smart to just blindly trust strangers on an isolated dark road…why am i even responding to this? haha.
Er, replace “fraught” with “problematic”.
“Moreover, why would you be of the opinion that revision of Islam would be hateful or irrational?
Do you think Feminism in general is hateful and irrational?”
This is a completely meaningless analogy. Or are you still assuming that anyone who doesn’t agree with you about Islam must be an MRA and hate feminism?
NWOslave, please read and answer this
http://manboobz.com/2011/11/13/showdown-mencallmethings-versus-the-catalogue-of-anti-male-shaming-tactics/comment-page-3/#comment-81480
Dude, if I had a flat tire and NWOslave came up to help me I’d ditch the car and run far, *far* away.
“This from feminists? The worlds foremost proponents of sadistic, whipping, caning, torture sex?”
Utter nonsense!!!!
Just see the reaction I got from feminists here when I joked about tying you, your MRA comrades and your bedfellow Islamic ideology all up together in that bed you share and giving you a good, hard, spanking!
;)
Of course I’d have to see pics first. DGTFO.
D*cks or get the fuck out!
@CassandraSays
“To be fair, as hateful and irrational as NC4OM is about Islam, at least she hasn’t declared a desire to rape children like NWO.”
Even Dave has verified I don’t have a desire to rape children. And I’ve already given you a link to feminists who openly promote pedophelia. We know who the promoters are.
Speaking of hatred. Since I just gave the link showing how, at least temporarily, men have staved off the tyranny of assumed guilt endorsed by feminists. Did anybody here actually sign the petition to the link I repeatedly gave to stop that tyranny? No seriously, what about teh menz? While I’m sure Ozy’s helping of men overcome the horror of being shamed if they wear an evening gown, I had bigger fish to fry.
Keep up your vile hatre of man, masculinity and all things male!
@Kate: the way I saw it, the whole “subhuman” business was “othering” MRAs the way I might “other” the KKK… it may be unfair, and is probably the wrong way to go about it, but on the other hand I’m sure I can disagree with the motivation. If someone says that it is both acceptable and preferable to rape and murder women for the “crime” of not being properly submissive to men, I personally have a hard time working up much ire at those people being treated unfairly in text on a comments thread on the Internet. I know it makes me ineligible for sainthood, but there you are.
Joe, I know I wasn’t clear earlier, but a family isn’t a philosophical movement and therefore coping mechanisms that work in a family setting won’t work in a philosophical movement like feminism.
I dunno, I guess my problem with this thread is that you seemed to favour throwing out the baby and keeping the bathwater. What’s left that’s really feminism if “othering” people is acceptable? or do I just have a weird view of what lies at the core of feminism?
NWO, just out of interest, have you ever stopped to help someone on the road?
“I’m NOT sure I can disagree with the motivation.”
NC4OM, I know you are stupid, but did you not see his passive aggressive little whine about how oppressed Christians are in the US? God, your little ‘theory’ is fraught with confirmation bias. The only 3 trolls on this blog who whine about sharia takeovers of the USA are you, Slavey, and some new and impressionless idiot.
I only said she was stupid and racist, and that watching them get into a fight over who is moreso would be painful. I’m not intimating she’s as horrible overall, only that her racism and NWO’s are going to be unpleasant to watch in a one-upping contest.
Cassandra, not meant to be an analogy. Two different questions.
Amazing. I posted along the lines of “the virulent woman-hating hyperbole being used by the trolls bore no relationship at all to the arguments being made in support of Rebecca.”
And out comes a spit-fleckled diatribe from NWOslave:
Way to prove my point, guy.
Yea NWO, you can just fuck off. You don’t get to dictate what other people can and can’t be afraid of, especially on a deserted road or elevator with no escape.
And a guy like YOU pulling up specifically? a guy with such blind hatred of women? yea, I would be afraid. And in extreme self defense mode too.
@No Cuntry 4 Old Men!
No time to read anything you post vile creature. I thought I’d lobby to have a law enacted that only allows women a preponderance of evidence standard. That way when a man says something against a woman, her guilt will be assumed and his word IS the evidence.
Or would that be a bad thing?
You know, NC4OM, I’m going to point something out. While I was living in the Middle East I did actually meet a few genuine zealots (mostly in Saudi). In particular there was one member of the mutaween who managed to scare the crap out of me. What made those people scary was the ranting, and the general sense that they were completely unable to comprehend or accept viewpoints that differed from their own in even the tiniest ways. That and the single-minded, maniacal focus on their chosen issue.
When you talk about Islam you come across the same way, as a zealot. Zealots are generally regarded by most other people as a bit alarming, not worth engaging with, and impervious to reason.
No one is going to engage with you until you knock off the hyperbole and the OMG PANIC SHARIA IN EUROPE WILL HAPPEN NEXT WEEK alarmist stuff. Because zealotry is offputting, and not worth engaging with.
Kate, this is a dilemma that lies at the heart of every movement I think. Some people are more aggressive than others. Some people want to move faster or slower, in one direction or another. Some people cry “damn the torpedoes!” and others want to take the high road and tiny little baby steps along the way to avoid slipping off of the perfect path.
The best answer I have for you is that I personally appreciate the existence of both sides, and the whole spectrum of folks in between. I’m all for scooping out the bathwater all willy-nilly, and I’m glad other people are minding the baby. As aggravated as I get at other people wanting to draw a bunch of hard lines, I’m glad that there ARE lines and people to draw them. Does that make any sense?
Why are you concealing this douchebag’s IP?
@Quackers
“Yea NWO, you can just fuck off. You don’t get to dictate what other people can and can’t be afraid of, especially on a deserted road or elevator with no escape.”
And you don’t get to dictate what I say shouldn’t be fearful.
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“And a guy like YOU pulling up specifically? a guy with such blind hatred of women? yea, I would be afraid. And in extreme self defense mode too.”
OOOoooo, self defense mode! Am I supposed to be afraid. Oh no! you made me afraid! Are you threatening me?
“I only said she was stupid and racist”
You’ve not been able to provide proof of either and Cassandra fails to explain how my opinion that Islam as an ideology needs to be revised, updated and feminised is either hateful or irrational.
Still waiting.
:)
And I’ll ask, is there anyone here who DOES NOT think that Islam needs to be revised, updated and feminized?
Just one question to all you equality folks.
Did anyone sign the petition to stop the recinding of a mans right to innocense that feminists wrote, endorsed and tried to have enshrined in law?
This has probably been said already but as a guy? I would probably be alarmed too. And no, my response would not be, thank god a man is here to help! It really has nothing to do with being a feminist.
Ya, it makes some, but I think that maybe you should look at the people around you and understand that when you’re throwing the water over the side they might have a point when they keep yelling to mind the baby.
And with that I’m off to bed (why must people work for a living? why must sleep be compulsory? why do I always have to go when things are getting interesting? sigh)
Is that last one even an insult? It’s a fairly accurate description of a lot of MRAs, who take a certain pride in being “insensitive to the plight of women.”
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Yes, we do pride ourselves in not seeing pink elephants whenever certain females and their sycophantic fucktards with agendas want us to.
Nope. Just saying guys like you, guys who are so full of anger and hate towards women, tends to make us get defensive. Luckily I have not met any guys like you in real life, but just knowing you exist just makes those walls go up a little more :)
Yes.
I am now threatening you with the full force of the One World Government. Don’t think my puppet masters don’t know where you live, NWOslave. The only reason you have yet to be taken by our Men with Black Hats is that our Illuminati overlords find you amusing. Make no mistake though, your novelty will soon wear thin and you’ll find yourself first in line for a brain-wipe*.
*I’ve contacted them with concerns that wiping your brain wouldn’t actually make a difference, but they still seem to think it’s the way to go. I can’t argue with the Illuminati. No, really, I can’t argue with them.
Can we send the Men in Black instead? I want to borrow their blinky light thing.
Keep on doing it, I promise you that serious engagement with a clown like you is my top priority.
NWOslave: “@No Cuntry 4 Old Men! No time to read anything you post vile creature.”
LOL, but you have plenty of time to come on this blog and read and write all kinds of stuff, eh?
Anyway your avoidance puts you in good company, with Cassandra and Rutee. :)
I’ll ask again, NWOslave, are you an Islamophile, and if so, why?
Cassandra,
“No one is going to engage with you until you knock off the hyperbole and the OMG PANIC SHARIA IN EUROPE WILL HAPPEN NEXT WEEK alarmist stuff.”
I never EVER said such a thing. I don’t believe such a thing. Rather, this is nothing more than a belief that you and Ruttee have projected onto me because I hold the opinion that Islam as an ideology is problematic wrt womens rights and religious freedom and needs to be revised, updated and feminized.
For the life of me I fail to see where either of you have a problem with that opinion. And neither of you have been able to articulate exactly what your issues with that opinion of mine are.
Is it that you think Islam does not need to be revised, updated and feminized?
Also, I’m now imagining them opening a locker somewhere and finding an actually society full of tiny MRAs living there. Maybe we can figure out a way to squeeze Meller in there so he can finally be happy.
NWO, why, thank you. I am glad you support my efforts to make femininity an acceptable choice for men. :)
Also, your opinion on BDSM sounds surprisingly similar to that of the radfems you claim to loathe… just saying.
I have no idea what feminizing Islam even means. Giving it eyeliner and a pair of sensible heels?
Thank you for that demonstation of why people think you’re a zealot, NC4OM.
I think she should make herself a sign-off like Meller used to use.
REVISED, UPDATED, AND FEMINIZED!!!