Lesbianism by numbers, courtesy of the Men’s Rights subreddit. Plus kitties.
They're probably feminists too.
The smirky MRA douchebag thingsarebad didn’t win a lot of friends when he used to comment here. Ironically, it seems that he’s not doing that much better over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, where his comments tend to garner about as many downvotes as upvotes. Yes, it is possible to be too much of a douche for even the highly douche-tolerant Men’s Rights subreddit.
Anyway, all that is a sort of rambling prelude to my main point here, which is: thingsarebad has figured out that whole “lesbian” thing, and wants to share his results with the world. Also, feminism. His science is tight.
Confused a bit by that explanation? Would you like a much, much longer explanation, replete with fake statistics he’s “mentated” out of his ass? Well, prepare yourself a stiff drink and take a look at this megacomment of his from earlier in that same thread.
We’ll just wait here while you digest all that.
Done? Share your thoughts below, or check out the ShitRedditSays discussion of it all.
Or just watch this video of a rather portly cat climbing into a vase.
Hey, I promised a kitty video to someone in the comments here a couple of days ago. I may be a little slow sometimes, but I am a man of my word.
While I’m at it, here’s a bonus vid of a kitty and a Kleenex box.
Posted on November 12, 2011, in antifeminism, douchebaggery, evil women, homophobia, idiocy, kitties, misogyny, MRA, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 362 Comments.
It’s time to play Will They Stick The Flounce!
I’m actually guessing yes, because he’s pretending that in leaving now he has the moral high ground, somehow. Because we haven’t presented enough solid, peer-reviewed research to contradict his deeply intellectual numbers that he pulled out of his bum.
TAB: If you want to guess, or theorise, then you say, “In my opinion.” You can even say things like, “according to my reading,” and still be fine.
But when you say, “the percentages are,”, and give a detailed breakdown, with elaborations… you are alleging provable fact.
When you admit to making up those provable facts… you are confessing to telling lies.
Which makes you… a liar.
Viscaria, he’s going his own way!
One last refresh and someone (Joanna) actually said something meaningful! This’ll be my last reply here.
“Eh….nope. Any of the lesbians I know had a wonderful childhood, father and positive relationships with men…. They just prefer sex with women. That’s just how they are.”
You may be right to a point. But keep in mind that I don’t solely put responsibility on family upbringing, I also focus on the culture. In a culture where men are taught to be more like women and women are taught to be more like men, it doesn’t surprise me that many women choose, yes in many of these cases CHOOSE, women over men. Some women like this, the more “masculine”, “tom boy”, “smart girl” types, they’re just naturally attracted to women, that’s my Group A. The others I think you’re referring to, the feminine, pretty, shy types, could have easily ended up with men in a culture where men are allowed to be men and women are allowed to be women. These types of girls are more naturally bisexual than anything, I don’t really see them as naturally lesbian or naturally straight, their sexuality is malleable.
Now I could be wrong about that, as I don’t know the inner workings of the female mind as well as I do the inner workings of a male mind. But even then, it does call into question the accuracy of my model for women, since these girls don’t really hate men and they aren’t purportedly narcissistic. If anything, these girls tend to fall into Group C who have been victims of abuse – they certainly have a similar mentality of excessive weakness, shyness, gentleness, so much that it may be indicative of a psychological disorder.
I do think that this type of lesbian, if she exists at all, is over-emphasized in the media. Why? Because they want people to think that all lesbians are just all-American good girls who turn out lesbian because they were born that way, when most of the time it’s just not true. They ended up that way because of external influences.
Joanna, you have to understand the irony of someone who frequents this blog claiming that all her lesbian friends are just normal girls who “turned out that way”. This is a blog for man-hating feminists who are confused about sexuality and the world in general, who are generally very naive. And that’s why I can’t take your word for it. Not only are you biased, but you also lack a high degree of self-awareness or understanding of the realities of the world. The reason MRAs’ opinions hold far more weight in my model is that they actually do have a high degree of self-awareness and understanding of how people tick and how the world works. But thank you for answering honestly.
Joanna thats my facepalmbunny!!
I find it appropriate for this site….
TAB: You claim to know everything about female sexuality, including that us bis were, among other things, abused as children. I was not abused (physically or sexually), in fact I had a wonderful childhood and amazing parents. Yet here I am, married to a man and sexually attracted to men and women. So, yeah, I’ll take my experience over your bullshit ‘theory’ any day.
TAB: Yeah, citation needed. For all of that.
TAB: I’m starting to think that we both live in very different worlds.
TAB: I do think that this type of lesbian, if she exists at all….
So you talk about them (incorrectly) and then you deny they really exist.
Dishonesty in action.
According to my best guesstimates, 27% of MRAs are lint-covered lollipops; another 46.2% are buckets of sand; the remainder are flying bunny poop (with 30% of that last 26.8% being the poop of flying bunnies and 70% being flying poop from regular non-flying bunnies).
I am happy to discuss substantive critiques of my model and look at any evidence you have to present to me that might challenge my guesstimated percentages here. (Note: I only accept evidence in the form of pictures of kitties.)
Futrelle has willfully misrepresented my comment, not surprising given his recent shift toward Big Brother thinking.
People who are intersex have a deformity. This is a fact. It is medically normal to be male or female, thus, if you deviate, something went wrong. Like I said, it’s not an insult or anything negative, it’s a medical term. Much like people with a clubfoot, or a malformed arm, or anything like that also have a deformity. Again, this is not a bad thing (well, it might be for them, but it is not a reflection on them as people).
Note to self: you can be gender-conforming or a big school-lovin’ nerd woman, not both. I guess I’d better take out my nail-polish remover :(
TAB, really, you shouldn’t be lecturing us on self-awareness or lack thereof. You think posting pics of yourself helps arguments.
“Man Boobz: A blog for man-hating feminists who are confused about sexuality and the world in general, who are generally very naive.”
Hey, a possible new slogan!
Well darn, that didn’t last. I hoped TAB was going to keep up the “but I’m totally kewl with LGBTs and I’m srs business” thing a little longer, but apparently he just couldn’t help shooting his lulzwad prematurely.
This is a prime example of feminist Big Brother thinking. They cannot stand up to scrutiny (much like Big Brother) so much use Big Brother’s tactics to silence the Emmanuel Goldstein MRAs.
“Some women like this, the more “masculine”, “tom boy”, “smart girl” types, they’re just naturally attracted to women, that’s my Group A.
Note to self: you can be gender-conforming or a big school-lovin’ nerd woman, not both. I guess I’d better take out my nail-polish remover “
I’m a tom-boyish, feminine, girly-girl nerd. I wear high heels some days and biker boots on others. I appreciate an attractive looking woman, yet prefer a sexual relationship with a man. Blows your theories out of the water, right?
The reason MRAs’ opinions hold far more weight in my model is that I’m an MRA myself, and since I can’t keep up with the level of wit on /b/ I come here to post my homophobic bullshit
FTFY.
I’d like to challenge your thesis, David.
@Bee: *dies of cuteness*
David Futrelle: I think you failed to consider the effect of the hairless (Sphynx) cat in the percent of MRA’s covered in lint. Due to the nature of their existence, and based on laws of thermodynamics, they raise MRA lint coverage another five percent with a margin of error of seven tenths of a percent. What this means is there is actually less bucket of sand MRA’s in existance. Sand, as we know, is easily moved aside by the Sphynx’s massive claws. Flying bunny poop has no relational link with the introduction of the Sphynx cat into the system, so that data has no change.
Here is my source: http://www.dragonflys.com/book%20images/cat%20images/matt%20sphynx%20kittens.jpg
I hope you take my advice for your model under consideration.
I will say it’s really unfortunate that we live in a world where no one will ever do an unbiased peer-reviewed study to try to determine factors that contribution to sexuality. You’ll have people like darksidecat complaining that anyone is trying to do the study in the first place and you’ll have your ideologues trying to warp the studies to confirm their own beliefs. The sad fact is that people today need to trust what they see and hear themselves because studies and statistics cannot be trusted.
I suppose I should say Big Sister, although Futrelle is just a snivelling mangina, so perhaps Mid-Sized Mangina?
PWNED
Is that a munchkin kitten?
Yeah, it’s a total shame. Good thing you’ve come along with “facts.”
I thought you were leaving. -10 for failure to complete the flounce.
Things Are Bad is still here? I thought he was leaving!
Alright, MRAL, you brave dissident, there you go, I let those latest two comments through.
Bee: But have you considered this?
You’re almost a generation behind; it’s known, and genetic in origin. Fuck off, loser.
Has there *ever* been a time on the Internet when somebody really did complete the flounce, and without popping back up within 48 hours?
TAB: May I continue to point out the lack of anything approaching a level of validity from your statements. Even Socrates would be disappointed by your attempts at logic and reasoning. Attempting to deflect from the fact that you do not hold any level of empiricism by launching into a philosophical diatribe on epistemology is indicative of your lack of concern with actual knowledge and only concern for your image. Your egotism continues to be your primary motivation behind every statement you issue.
Flib, I believe that the influence of sphinx cats is offset by this cat.
I would call attention in particular to its large size and extreme furriness.
TAB: And yet you dismiss my experience as a bi woman because it doesn’t fit you ‘theory.’ Consistency, you do not haz it.
And your final score for the flounce is… hmmm, difficulty of 6, negatives for missing the landing and being a fuckwit… /me punches numbers into a calculator… How far into the negative do we go before we stop counting?
Uh, no they don’t. No it’s not. Nope. Yes it is an insult. No it’s not like a clubfoot or a malformed arm. As usual, you are full of shit.
Snowy, I cannot respond for fear of being modded by the Mid-Sized Mangina, but I’d ask you to explain (if the Mid-Sized Mangina will allow it) why intersex abnormalities are different from a clubfoot.
That’s a pretty good point, David, but have you considered this?
Kathleen: For TAB… hard to say. He did start in a pretty deep hole, so perhaps it’s just that he can’t stick the landing because he’s so far underground.
David Futrelle: Posh I say! You can not count a statistical outlier of furry cats! Though you should keep a reminder of it in your section on such outliers. Perhaps you need to define the level of furriness within cat kind and how it applies to your model.
I feel that these cats: http://www.flickr.com/photos/markb120/5467740640/
are more of an acceptable matter of data to include.
This will have important implications on future lint and sand based MRA numbers. Especially when we consider cat litters.
” And yet you dismiss my experience as a bi woman because it doesn’t fit you ‘theory.’ Consistency, you do not haz it.”
Apparently the lesbians I know are just all wrong.
I think you two are both wrong and here is the proof:
I can’t believe I thought he would stick the flounce. They never stick the flounce.
I fall in love with men and I am sexually attracted to both men and women. I made this realization without ever being abused by anyone. I would ask if I am the special exception but, hey, multiple people have said similar things about their own experiences. So many special exceptions, TAB!
I see TAB has the “Shield of the Righteous”. He quotes a religious text and implies it applies to him.
Self-examination/awareness is (as previous examples made clear) not one of his talents.
And a Mormon… that explains a lot. There is (for all that most of the Mormons I know are swell people) a huge stream of anti-equality in Mormon theology, and a huge antipathy to homosexuality. A number of people I like a lot, I don’t talk about QUILTBAG issues, because they get stoopid.
MRAL: It is not polite to refer to people as having deformities. The correct term is “disability.” Club feet interfere with normal activity of daily life; being intersex does not.
TAB: Shy people are feminine? Smart people are masculine? Are nerds all inherently androgynous? o.O
Well, that’s what I’ve been saying, PFKAE. For proof, we need go no further than the classics.
“This is a blog for man-hating feminists who are confused about sexuality and the world in general”
LMAO!
1) I don’t hate men.
2) I’m not a feminist, I’m a humanist.
3) I’m pretty positive about sexuality. It’s pretty simple once you think about it. Although I find it difficult to see life through an asexual’s eyes =P
4) I’m not confused about the world but thanks for the concern
I’m pretty sure the rest of them here would disagree with your statement too.
It isn’t know, and, you know what, I don’t particularly fucking care. It is none of your damn business, thingsarebad, and we don’t care what you think. This obsession with queer origins presupposes that hetero is “normal” and that queerness is a deviance in need of explanation. Queerness and transness aren’t inferior, they don’t need justified. Funny how I don’t see you putting this same obsession into figuring out food preferences (mustard, ketchup, or both?! The burning question!) or any other sort of inclination that doesn’t involve violating your fool ass social norms. We are human beings, not objects for your spectacle.
ah, the oblivious irony, it burns!
You have presented neither of these, so fuck off. Also, studies and statistics should be evaluated and followed up with experiments and data, not accepted on unthinking faith. But, again, as you have not presented such, it is a moot fucking point.
MRAL, don’t you consider yourself deformed? Then perhaps you should shut the fuck up.
“It is medically normal…”
Define that phrase, please, oh please. If the narrow medical model around sex doesn’t match actual human bodies, your conclusion is that bodies are wrong rather than the model?
On a related note, MRAL probably still believes in humors and treating diseases with mercury, because, fuck, medicine is an instrument of divine providence and not a human system managed by humans.
Um, I thought maybe we should consider Fluttershy? If nobody minds?
Pinkie Pie>Rarity>Fluttershy>Twilight Sparkle>Rainbow Dash>Applejack.
End. Of. Discussion.
Spearhafoc you are ponyist!
Rainbow Dash is the best pony! Now the discussion is indeed ended!
Hmmm. There sure is a lot of discussion, considering the fact that I ended the discussion.
“And a Mormon… that explains a lot. There is (for all that most of the Mormons I know are swell people) a huge stream of anti-equality in Mormon theology, and a huge antipathy to homosexuality. A number of people I like a lot, I don’t talk about QUILTBAG issues, because they get stoopid.”
Same with Islam. These religions have yet to undergo the time appropriate feminization that other religions have undergone, or are currently undergoing. Who knows if they ever will? Maybe they are just too masculine oriented to ever undergo feminization, and that is precisely why MRAs are constantly cheerleading for them and wishing for them to take over the world and “set things right” for The Patriarchy again.
WTF is “time-appropriate feminization”?
Some women like this, the more “masculine”, “tom boy”, “smart girl” types, they’re just naturally attracted to women, that’s my Group A. The others I think you’re referring to, the feminine, pretty, shy types, could have easily ended up with men in a culture where men are allowed to be men and women are allowed to be women.
I cannot stop laughing at the fact that he comes right out and says that “smart” is the opposite of “feminine, pretty, shy.”
Hey, TAB, you like arguing with pictures, right? Here’s a picture for you. Tell me, is this woman “feminine” and “pretty” or is she “smart”? It’s got to be one or the other! :-p
“WTF is “time-appropriate feminization”?”
That means its 2011 for fuck’s sake. Time to burn the goddamned burqa!
Really, I <3 all ponies equally ^_^
“I cannot stop laughing at the fact that he comes right out and says that “smart” is the opposite of “feminine, pretty, shy.””
Hey TAB, I’m smart and pretty. Head splode right ???
Now this part is weird and interesting.
“However, having been to literally hundreds of masjids around the world, I can tell you that there is a certain demographic pattern of Western woman who converts.”
This would not be true of the vast majority of Muslims. Why, and how, have you been to hundreds of different mosques all over the world? Is this part of some sort of academic research? Is your father a diplomat? Because I grew up as a classic Third Culture kid, on 4 different continents, and I wouldn’t make a claim that ambitious about going to, say, churches, or temples. The only kind of place I’d make that kind of numerical claim for would be restaurants. Why visit such an unusually large number of mosques? Or is that just hyperbole?
Also, yeah, again – Sharia law is not going to happen on a wide scale in Europe, because the European Union is never, ever going to agree to that. There may be (and in some places already are) Sharia courts that are allowed to adjudicate certain issues, but honestly, no country is going to allow the challenge to their legal system’s authority that giving those courts any real power would represent. And the law of the land will always prevail.
“It’s been heading that way for some time: Islam for men, Christianity for women.”
And now we’re in a dystopian Sherry Tepper novel. Raising The Stones, to be precise.
Now, back to the other delusional weirdo.
“Women’s desire for a man and his penis is very great. On the other hand, although men tend to have a desire for women and their vajayjays, it’s not to the same degree, as men are not driven so wholly on impulse as women are.”
This may well be the funniest thing that anyone has ever written on the internet.
“However, having been to literally hundreds of masjids around the world, I can tell you that there is a certain demographic pattern of Western woman who converts.”
“This would not be true of the vast majority of Muslims.”
Reread. Do you see anywhere that I wrote about “vast majority of Muslims”? I SPECIFICALLY said “a certain demographic pattern of WESTERN WOMEN who convert”. And those women are a very small minority of women in the world, mahshallah!
“Why, and how, have you been to hundreds of different mosques all over the world?”
My family moved alot.
“Is this part of some sort of academic research?”
In the beginning, no. After I became a Feminist, yes.
“It’s been heading that way for some time: Islam for men, Christianity for women.”
“And now we’re in a dystopian Sherry Tepper novel. Raising The Stones, to be precise.”
I didn’t write the dystopian 2 gender religion theory, an MRA did. He supports it, but of course.
I don’t know about a dystopia, but if these MRA blogs are anything to go by, I do suspect that you’ll be hearing of some conversions to the Religion of Peace.
Salamallaikum!
TAB said:
“I developed a model, a theory, that is all. Kind of silly to call me a “liar” for it lol.”
1. You developed neither a model, nor a theory. Both of those require some evidence and you’ve provided nothing even remotely resembling a fact, never mind evidence that can be examined or even providing a source (presumeably because the only source you have is your imagination) You’ve presented a bunch of factoids that you’ve made up yourself to justify your own prejudices. You added made up “guesstimates” in order to make it look more legitimate and “sciency”. Come back with some evidence and I’m quite sure people would be happy to listen but as it stands it just looks like a homophobic hate screed.
2. Referring to someone as a “tranny” is, in many circles, considered to be extremely rude and if that’s not your intent I strongly suggest you stop using it.
3. This is a very mixed group of people and many of them are extremely well educated in the fields in which you are trying to pass yourself off as an expert. Many people here are also gay, lesbian or bisexual so I suspect that they have a far better understanding of their own sexuality than you do. Perhaps you might benefit from listening to what they have to say rather than dismissing them all as being ignorant because the don’t agree with you.
4. WTF? You’re actually going to quote The Book of Mormon at us? LMFAO
Wait, wait, did TAB seriously argue that the reason strapons exist is that women have a craving for cock?
Uh, you do realize there are nerves in the vagina, right? They don’t magically go bye-bye if you don’t like the peen.
@oxymandias42: what do you wanta bet TAB (I loathe that drink!) knows nothing about pegging?
Sorry for typo! OZYMANDIAS42. I should probably go to bed….
WTF is TAB? Is that the vaguely coke-like soda that for some inexpicable reason is clear?
I think it’s just diet cola. It’s not clear.
Oh, wait, there was a clear version, but is was discontinued.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_Clear
Ithiliana: No worries. I accidentally call myself “Oxy” all the time. :)
I would bet ALL THE $MONEY$ that he either doesn’t know pegging exists or thinks it makes guys gay.
Every time I see TAB’s name it’s like “temporarily able-bodied?” and I have a confuse.
Now I’m thinking of those awful TV commercials with the very energetic man with all the muscles for Oxy Clean. Just looking at him makes me feel like I need a nap.