Some MRAs are rallying around Herman Cain because he’s not “bowing before the golden hoochie.”

So some MRAs are rallying around Herman Cain – not in spite of the sexual harassment allegations against him, but because of them.

On The Spearhead, W. R. Price notes that Cain has gotten a flood of new donations since the scandal broke. His conclusion:

The support for the conservative candidate suggests that the decades-old trend of male helplessness in the face of female accusations may be coming to an end.

Other Spearheaders are a bit more blunt:

It is refreshing to see a man (politician or otherwise) in the spotlight stand up and defend himself against a P.C. hatchet-job such as “sexual harrassment” when so many before him did the whiney-baby kiss-up “I was wrong” pandering while bowing before the golden hoochie.

Meanwhile, white and nerdy on Omega Virgin Revolt (yes, that’s a real blog) has actually put his money where his mouth is, sending along a donation to Cain.

I usually don’t bother with voting.  Everyone running for most offices is either a liberal feminist or a conservative feminist.  To me that is no difference.  However, if Herman Cain is still in the running by the time my state’s primary happens (and if he is the Republican nominee) I will vote for him.

Herman Cain is now dealing with at least three women who are claiming that he sexually harassed them.  Public figures who were accused of sexual harassment in the past didn’t take on their accusers directly, but Herman Cain did.  He pointed out how what is happening to him is a false accusation.  As a result of this Cain has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations in the last few days.  One of those donations was my donation.

This may not seem like much, but this small act as made Cain more anti-feminist than all of the other candidates for president.

Notice that in white and nerdy’s version of the controversy, Cain has “pointed out” that he’s being falsely accused. Actually, what Cain has done is to deny that he harassed anyone. At this point, we don’t actually know enough to judge definitively whether the allegations are true — though the fact that the National Restaurant Association paid out tens of thousands of dollars to settle the cases makes me a bit skeptical of Cain’s denials. But apparently, in W&N’s brain, there’s not even a chance he’s guilty of anything other than standing up to the dirty feminazis.

One of the commenters on Omega Virgin Revolt is even more enthusiastic about Cain than the blogger himself. Jack writes:

If Cain becomes president, we might actually see an end to the incessant pandering to women by the mindless political class. It’s about time that a politician stood up and declared that women have responsibilities in life and are not entitled to a free ride. Cain might actually do that.

Over on Reddit, meanwhile, OffensiveBrute doesn’t defend Cain so much as he defends not giving a shit about sexual harassment:

I say even if Cain is guilty, who the hell cares? Sexual harassment is illegal, but not immoral. well not the kind that Cain is accused of anyway.

Skooma714 offers a similar take:

He didn’t even touch them. They probably hear shit like that on the DC Metro everyday.

They probably are over it. They want to get some paper and attention.

And, yes, both of these comments garnered some upvotes.

Of course, not every MRA out there is rallying around Cain. On Reddit, there are plenty of MRAs who are suspending judgment on the allegations, or who dislike Cain because he’s, you know, a right wing asshole. Over on The Spearhead, the only ones who seem to have an issue with Cain are those who, well, let’s just say that they probably also think burning crosses make great lawn decorations:

Black men are notorious for their sexual escapades, their testosterone being greater than that of White Men – as is their level of rape accusation. He may be innocent but he may just as well be guilty of a real indescretion.

I am happy to report that this comment got a lot of downvotes there; not every Spearheader is a raving Stormfronter. Of course, it says something about the general political and social backwardness of the site that those Spearheaders who are defending Cain from the crudest Klan-tastic racist attacks are doing so basically because they think he’s a credit to his race:

If the Blacks in America were like Herman Cain, this country would be measurably better for it and most of us would be hating on someone else.

But don’t worry: On The Spearhead they can still all agree on one central point – that women are evil, lying whores. As Keyster put it, in one of the most-highly upvoted comments in the thread:

What this indicates is that people are fed up with political correctness and the feminist/sexual grievance industry. …

In the new Femocracy you can’t date them, you can’t marry them and you can’t even work among them, without risking untold trouble for life. Is it any wonder men are distancing themselves from women, if not abandoning them altogether? How’s a man to know whether she has a “false accusation bomb” strapped to her waist or not? If you’re a man among women stay alert, you’re outside the Green Zone.

Will MRAs end up rallying around Cain in the way they rallied around Julian Assange and Dominique Strauss-Kahn? Or will something – his political views, his race? – prevent them from jumping on the Cain train? I guess we’ll just have to see.

 

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Posted on November 3, 2011, in crackpottery, creepy, evil women, false accusations, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, oppressed white men, racism, reddit, sexual harassment, the spearhead. Bookmark the permalink. 331 Comments.

  1. Philippa:

    It kind of makes me wonder if you realize that non-sexual friendships between men and women actually exist. I think you seriously underestimate your own sex and that your attitude is more than a little misandrist.

    I’ve had close but completely platonic female friends since my teens, and I remember a work colleague being absolutely astonished about this. After a great many conversations, he really couldn’t get his head around the notion that:

    a) I hadn’t had sex with them;
    b) I hadn’t attempted to have sex with them;
    c) I didn’t want to have sex with them;
    d) I genuinely didn’t know or care whether they wanted to have sex with me;
    e) I wasn’t gay.

    This was a perfectly intelligent guy in every other respect, but this really seemed to flummox him completely.

  2. Weatherby:

    It’s such a weird attitude and it makes me sad because it implies so many things about the emotional responses of men that are totally untrue. Not all relationships between men and women need to involve sex and often they are no less important than those that do. Especially if one or both are in a committed relationship with someone else. Love takes many different forms and it isn’t always sexual.

    All of my male friends knew that they would be rewarded by a deepening of our friendship, my gratitude and the knowledge that if they ever needed that kind of help themselves that I would be first on their doorstep and obviously that was important but I actually don’t think that motivated them. They just saw a friend in trouble and reacted on that basis alone. To imply anything else would be to seriously underestimate their motives and their emotional range.

  3. I have been homeless too. And my own observations show men are far more generous and helpful than women were. While I was homeless in Boston, most of the time men would help with money, cigarettes and food. Some even would buy me lunch as they were coming out of fast food joints. In the three months I was sleeping on an emergency blanket, I had maybe 2 women buy me coffee and most women wouldn’t even offer a cigarette when I even tried to buy one from them.

    Did the thought never occur to you that what you observed had less to do with women’s generosity (or lack thereof) than their wariness for their personal safety in that type of situation? I mean seriously, you, who is so paranoid about false rape accusations that you condone….nay, advise…. covertly videotaping sexual activity you might engage in with a woman or women who are not well known to you, cannot fathom a reason, save for lack of generosity, that a woman might not want to approach an (apparently) homeless man and give him coffee or money or cigarettes or whatever.
    I guess that, unless she’s dressed like a slutty slut slut (by whomever’s standards) she has no reason to be concerned for her personal safety.

  4. It doesn’t match my own experiences. This one is the weakest, but Brandon and NWO are claiming this is a general phenomena, but when my family has been hungry, cold, etc. it was women who helped us. It was a woman who forged paperwork saying that she was going to use surplus past dated but still good food for livestock and gave it out free to hungry families who couldn’t access other food resources. It is women who run the local foodbank. It was women who gave us coats. Many people I have known have reported similar experiences, and most individuals I know who have taken in homeless people have been women. It is not that I have never seen a man be generous to a person in need, but my experiences have found that women do this more, not less.

    Oh, but all that doesn’t truly count as charity in the eyes of Brandon and NWO. Unless women are individually traversing parking lots, alleyways, subway stations, parks, etc., in search of men with dented tin cups to put pennies in, they are selfish bitches.

  5. If all male feminists are in it to get laid, I’d like to hear Brandon’s explanation as to why I, an out-of-the-closet asexual, have male feminist friends. And don’t tell me it’s because they’re trying to get in good with my other female feminist friends, because none of my female friends identify as feminists to my knowledge.

  6. I’m not certain Brandon has even considered the possibility of asexual people existing…

  7. Probably not. After all, they don’t benefit Brandon.

  8. KathleenB:

    “…I have prescriptions coming up that I HAVE to refill, and I don’t know where the money will come from…”

    Set up a paypal account and I will pay for this month’s prescriptions…assuming they are reasonable.

  9. And how do you define “reasonable”?

  10. hey magdelyn, i scrolled up to see why david said you were right about something, and i just wanted to say that nobody who likes faulkner can be all the way bad

  11. @Sharculese: and i just wanted to say that nobody who likes faulkner can be all the way bad

    Speaking as someone who has taught Faulkner and many many others to students, it’s possible for somebody to “love” the Faulkner they create in a way that is absolutely horrifying to people (and I’m a proponent of reader response and can give A grades to two very opposing interpretive arguments as long as each is well supported and qualified)!

    Ditto William Blake. I still cringe at the last time I taught some of the “Songs of INnocence” and “Songs of Experience” and had a whole class telling me that the chimney sweeps were going to tell because they were evil because (EVIDENCE) they were black because they were covered with soot.

  12. ugh. i kind of want to hear examples of the shit students said to you, but im also kind of scared.

  13. Lets see… I am not in it to get laid.

    I don’t agree with everything feminists say.

    I am a feminist.

    I am male.

    How strange.

  14. Everybody knows you don’t really exist, Pecunium.

  15. Given his arguments during the whole illegal videotaping conversation I’m fairly certain that it’s never occurred to Brandon that there are men out there who can openly disagree with women, and not even try to “kiss ass” by pretending that they do agree with the women, and the women will sleep with them anyway. He seems to think that men’s options are either a. in a weak, cringing “feminist” way, or b. lie in a strong, manly way. The “not lie” option he seems to consider laugable, probably because if he himself didn’t lie women really wouldn’t sleep with him, given that he’d be saying things like “I’m considering taping you having sex without asking because I think you may falsely accuse me of rape, because women do stuff like that all the time”.

  16. In sexistland, apparantly, bisexuals can never ever have friends that we don’t fuck.

  17. @Sharculese: Be afraid, be very afraid.

    I tend not to post specific comments by individual students on public internet sites because of a host of issues around student privacy, ethical behavior, etc. I might state some general trends from classes but not individuals (I once had a whole class that so hated SCott Momaday’s House Made of Dawn that although I loved it, I could never teach it again.)

  18. Given his arguments during the whole illegal videotaping conversation I’m fairly certain that it’s never occurred to Brandon that there are men out there who can openly disagree with women, and not even try to “kiss ass” by pretending that they do agree with the women, and the women will sleep with them anyway.

    It may also come as a startling revelation that there are quite a lot of women out there who actually prefer men who have opinions of their own and can defend them intelligently. And of course vice versa.

  19. “It may also come as a startling revelation that there are quite a lot of women out there who actually prefer men who have opinions of their own and can defend them intelligently.”

    No, obviously such women exist, but they’re not feminists, you see. Feminists only like men who have no opinions at all and who never say anything to a woman other than “yes, dear”.

    Brandon appears to live in a particularly bad sit-com.

  20. feminist men are totally capable of disagreeing with and debating feminist women. its just that we happen to recognize that, on the subject of the historical and modern treatment of women, women know a lot more than we do.

  21. Ultimately it’s seems pointless to even try to debate this issue with Brandon, since the premise of his argument presupposes that anyone disagreeing with it is lying or delusional. Believe whatever bullshit you want, dude. I’ll be over here not giving a damn.

  22. “…[it] seems…”

    Huh. I don’t think I’ve fucked up a post in quite that way before.

  23. Checking in on my 10BILLION-TO-ONE blog challenge, inpsired by Slavey’s garbage “donation gender gap” theory.

    Brandon admits that MRAs are a much more hateful group than feminism, bowing out of the challenge entirely. I’ll accept that as a Nolo contendere plea.

    Still no reposnse from Antz or other lazy MRAs.

  24. I’d like to hear Brandon’s explanation as to why I, an out-of-the-closet asexual, have male feminist friends.

    I’m sure it’s because they think if they get you drunk enough you’ll sleep with them, as per the apparent MRA theory that non-straight girls will suddenly become straight if they’re drunk enough.

  25. Well, that may work if I wasn’t their designated driver…

  26. Brandon’s pick-up line:
    Him: “Wanna fuck?”
    Her: “No, thanks”
    Him: “Mind lying down while I have one?”

  27. yknow, in my experience, if anything being a male feminist is more likely to help you hook up with women who dont think of themselves as feminist, because they tend to be impressed by things that feminist women correctly regard as just basic human decency. Of course, you can’t just say you’re a feminist, you actually have to respect their needs and desires, which pretty much shoots a hole in brandon’s theory.

  28. Who cares about road safety when you’re a man who wants to get laid by creeping on your drunk friends? Your brain is clearly not in Brandon mode yet. Try to switch off your conscience and your sense of logic and maybe it will make more sense.

  29. Sharculese wins today’s logic prize.

  30. Brandon:

    I see the “male feminists” that love to comment on feminist posts. They always take the woman’s side even when the woman was clearly wrong.

    I’m not sure how to describe this reasoning. Circular? He’s not exactly assuming his conclusion, but he does seem to take as a premise something that’s part of his point. I guess it’s the “conspiracy to deny the orangeness of the sky” thing, which is more of an Occam’s razor violation.

    (And to be honest, there is sometimes blatant cookie-seeking at Feministe. Not all comments from male feminists at Feministe are simplistic, but if I see a simplistic comment from a male feminist, it’s almost as good an indicator I’m reading Feministe as the site design and the favicon.)

    Rutee:

    Also, amused that you seem to think feminists can’t be permitted to like submissive men, while you flaunt your taste in submissive women.

    I’m more amused that he thinks we’ll be shocked and appalled by the idea of a woman submitting to a man when I’m pretty sure that even if none of us are women who submit to men, quite a few of us know some.

  31. Brandon wrote, “And you just described at least half of male feminists. If you don’t think that a large majority of male feminists are just in it to get laid, you are probably delusional.”

    Somehow I never thought of Feministe or Tiger Beatdown as a great place to meet a man desperate for a lay…

  32. There is cookie-seeking on feminist sites, but it’s really not cookies of the sexual variety that people are after. Emotional validation, sure, or even attention in general, but sex? If someone wants that surely they’d want to seek out people who’re at least vaguely likely to be close enough to them to meet in person.

  33. I’m more amused that he thinks we’ll be shocked and appalled by the idea of a woman submitting to a man when I’m pretty sure that even if none of us are women who submit to men, quite a few of us know some.

    He’s also really desperate to let us know that he’s had sex. It reinforces his image as an amoral overman.

  34. >>In sexistland, apparantly, bisexuals can never ever have friends that we don’t fuck.

    Geez. I wish. ;)

  35. Those who give charity have the right to decide how they do it. If they want to give by regular, direct donation to a registered charity rather than dropping a couple of dollars into some guy’s cup or buying him coffee why is that anyone else’s concern? If they choose to give time and skills, rather than cash why does that make them any less generous than someone who gives money directly to a stranger who asks for it? just because they don’t give away their small change doesn’t mean they don’t do anything.

    I can see why some women wouldn’t want to get close enough to a strange man to give him money for fear of being attacked And of course, in the culture we live in chances are that if the was she would be held responsible for having trusted him in the first place.

  36. Philippa, I’ve found there’s a surprisingly strong contingent who thinks that their type of charity is the only “real” type. Like I actually had a conversation with someone who thought that if you really cared about a cause, you had to volunteer–if you just donate money, you don’t actually care about it. Never mind that most charities’ volunteer positions are limited and often extremely competitive, or that you might be interested in a cause that you’re actually not qualified for (ie, Doctors Without Borders).

  37. Katz:

    Some people do feel like that, I know, but I think it’s fine to do what you can, when you can. Not everyone can volunteer for MSF, not everyone has the time or the training and all agencies still need money. I tend, if I’m well enough, to volunteer for two years and then work and donate cash. My husband supports me so I can do that, so the donation comes from both of us. It plays havoc with our standard of living but it’s worth it. At least we think so.

  38. >>In sexistland, apparantly, bisexuals can never ever have friends that we don’t fuck.

    Geez. I wish.

    I don’t, I have had friends who were senior citizens and I am in my early twenties. XD

  39. Mags: Holy crap, I posted a reply to you in the wrong thread! (showing off my high iq…) Just in case you didn’t catch it there, if you could email shakerkathleenb@gmail.com, we can talk from there.

  40. @katz, @philippa: As someone running a nonprofit, I have to say that (for my own organization, anyway) both volunteers and money are much needed and appreciated, cash donations are much much much harder to come by. Money donations rule!

  41. Bee:

    I’m not sure how to reply to this. Except maybe: ouch.

    I’m starting to feel that maybe I should have stayed in my job and just given money. Life would certainly have been a lot easier now that I’m too sick to work and will be for months.

  42. I haven’t seen a lot of male feminists do the “I apologize on behalf of all men” thing. Most of them understand that apologizing on behalf of an entire gender is both goofy and meaningless.

    “I apologize on behalf of all men” for hunting Mammoth to extinction. Also, elevators. Also, too, milking machines.

  43. “I apologize on behalf of all men” for hunting Mammoth to extinction. Also, elevators. Also, too, milking machines.

    Apology accepted. Allow me to apologize on behalf of all women for the Spice Girls. In our defense, we had no idea they were going to do that.

  44. One of the most toe-curling moments in recent political history was when Tony Blair apologized to the Irish on behalf of the British people for the potato famine.

    That’s the 1847 potato famine.

    Now I’ve seen Blair blamed for a great many things, especially after Iraq, but not even the most demented conspiracy theorist would suggest that he could possibly be responsible for something that occurred more than a century before he was even born.

  45. One of the most toe-curling moments in recent political history was when Tony Blair apologized to the Irish on behalf of the British people for the potato famine.

    Was it as PM or as Tony Blair?
    I think there might be some weight to “Officially Appologize” as a government for actions that said government took at one time. It’s a way of recognizing that (hopefully) the government, as a body, learned from its mistake.

  46. As PM. And, to be fair, it was historically significant, since it was the first time a British leader had acknowledged any culpability over the famine – but given the passage of time, it was widely ridiculed nonetheless.

    Not least because Blair seemed to find it all too easy to ‘apologize’ for things over which he clearly had no control, but was inexplicably tongue-tied when it came to things that he damn well should have apologized for.

  47. yknow, in my experience, if anything being a male feminist is more likely to help you hook up with women who dont think of themselves as feminist, because they tend to be impressed by things that feminist women correctly regard as just basic human decency. Of course, you can’t just say you’re a feminist, you actually have to respect their needs and desires, which pretty much shoots a hole in brandon’s theory.

    I personally tend to hold self-described feminist men to a higher standard, in fact, and depending on how he claims to be a feminist I can be a bit suspicious or it can even get my back up (though that’s mostly based on a creepy landlord who gave me the “I am so feminist!” performance before turning out to be completely BATSHIT about women. He got himself banned from volunteering at the local women’s shelter, on account of his creepitude toward his ex-girlfriend. That’s skillful. D:)

    It’s not like feminist women hear the words “I’m a feminist dude” and all our sense goes completely out the window. For me that’s more likely to pique my interest in exactly what they think about X issue or Y blog or Z legislation, and I’ll be more likely to want specific knowledgeable answers, while guys who don’t make that kind of claim still get me acting like a feminist to them (duh) but in a gentler more 101 way.

    And this is only related to fucking in that “not sexist” is one of the various checkboxes on my person-to-hang-out-around list, which is to say it’s necessary but not sufficient.

  48. I don’t wish to apologize for all men, but sometimes (after I receive my umpteenth dick pic on my AFF profile that week, or a friend posts another “so I invited this guy over to hang out and chill, and he went stalker on me once I made it clear sex was off the table”) I wish I could renounce my membership to that gender.

  49. Bagelsan:

    this is only related to fucking in that “not sexist” is one of the various checkboxes on my person-to-hang-out-around list, which is to say it’s necessary but not sufficient.

    I would bet Brandon takes the “pussy-dispenser” view, which holds that necessary=sufficient

  50. I personally tend to hold self-described feminist men to a higher standard, in fact, and depending on how he claims to be a feminist I can be a bit suspicious or it can even get my back up (though that’s mostly based on a creepy landlord who gave me the “I am so feminist!” performance before turning out to be completely BATSHIT about women. He got himself banned from volunteering at the local women’s shelter, on account of his creepitude toward his ex-girlfriend. That’s skillful. D:)

    This reminds me of the Roger Mellie strip in Viz, specifically the one where he decided to revive his flagging TV career by coming out as gay (this was in the wake of quite a few similar real-life instances). Naturally, in so doing, he lets slip just about every casual homophobic slur imaginable – they must have had fun combing through the thesaurus, or more likely urbandictionary.com.

    I imagine MRAL or Brandon would put in a very similar performance if they ever decided to pretend to be feminist.

  51. I’m not sure how to reply to this. Except maybe: ouch.

    Philippa, I’m sorry. That came across wrong, I think. I was more responding to the idea that some people might look down on others for only giving money and not volunteering for their favorite cause. That seems a silly thing to be snobbish about, from my perspective, since money is needed as much as (if not more than) volunteers. But yeah, in my efforts to gather funds for my organization, I hear all sorts of things, from “I’m unemployed/underemployed/don’t have any extra money to give” to “I’ve already donated to other charities” to “I don’t particularly like your organization.” All of those are great reasons not to give my group money. I totally respect that.

    And in your particular case, as one unemployed person to another — I’m sorry! I hope your health improves and things get better. That certainly takes priority over anything else.

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