Reddit’s TwoXChromosomes subreddit overrun with angry dudes
A group portrait of TwoXChromosomes regulars on Reddit?
As “activists,” Men’s Rights Activists seem to be good at only two things: harassing people, and flooding comment sections of websites with their endlessly repeated half-dozen talking points. On Reddit, for example, the local MRAs have been quite the little imperialists, invading a number of gender-related subreddits (like r/equality and r/egalitarian) and turning them essentially into r/mensrights-lite, which has effectively meant killing them. (The recently started r/masculism – an attempt to do Men’s Rights on Reddit without all the misogyny – doesn’t have a chance.)
Well, now the MRA invaders on Reddit seem to have set their sights on a much bigger target: the TwoXChromosomes subreddit. Yep, they’re trying to turn Reddit’s central hangout for the ladies into a boys club.
2XC– an explicitly female-oriented forum on a site (Reddit) heavily dominated by dudes — has always been a strange place. Though I am myself, obviously, a dude, I used to read it fairly regularly, finding it a welcome respite from all the “sammich” jokes and other idiot misogyny so pervasive elsewhere on Reddit. At the time, 2XC had a (completely unwarranted) reputation amongst the Reddit crowd as an evil place full of feminazi man-haters.
Then something started happening to 2XC. That thing was dudes. And not just any dudes – MRA dudes. Regulars on r/mensrights started linking to threads in 2XC and invading en masse, downvoting anything vaguely feminist and spewing forth their standard litanies of complaint. Some of these invaders decided to stay. And so, these sporadic raiding parties turned into a sort of occupation.
No, 2XC – despite the growing number of MRA residents, including a few female MRAs – has not turned into another r/mensrights. But at times, especially when the discussion turns to some MRA pet issue, the place looks a lot like dude central.
Case in point: this 2XC thread, expertly dissected by NauticalLittleNet in ShitRedditSays. The story: a woman posts a picture of her Halloween costume on Reddit and is bugged by a rude, creepy comment referring to her breasts (something that happens approximately ten zillion times a day on Reddit). So she posts the pic again to 2XC, hoping for sympathy. Instead, she’s treated to a barrage of comments mocking her for her alleged “persecution complex.” As NauticalLittleNet shows, the overwhelming majority of the obnoxious comments (all of which garnered numerous upvotes) were from dudes, many of them MRAs.
Naturally, this sort of thing – which happens pretty regularly on 2XC – has totally changed the dynamic of the subreddit from something that was sort of a haven for Reddit women to just another subreddit overflowing with obnoxious dudery.
As a Redditor called emmster noted recently in r/feminist, some women in 2XC have basically stopped posting anything vaguely feminist for fear of being jumped on by argumentative dudes:
I’ll be getting downvoted to Hell in the comments, but get PMs that are supportive from women who feel too afraid of the judgment and vitriol to jump in. I don’t love knowing there are women afraid to voice their opinions in a space that’s for women.
Honestly, I think the sustained r/MensRights invasion is what’s taking the largest toll. It’s like they can’t stand the idea that women have a space that’s active and popular, and they have to come ruin it.
And it doesn’t help that, as Donna_Juanita noted in the same discussion, some of the 2XC mods have essentially bent over backwards to accommodate the MRA invaders and to clamp down on feminists allegedly causing “drama.”
In ShitRedditSays, emmster offers a broader take on what’s happened to 2XC
Since young men are a majority on the site as a whole, and a pretty hefty number of them haven’t had the “There Are Places I Am Not Necessarily Welcome to Pontificate on My Opinion” realization, the space becomes less of a place for women, and more of a place to talk about women. Which is a pretty big distinction. And a tricky thing to keep from happening without raising the ire of the entitled, ignorant young dude contingent.
As a reddit friend of mine put it, it all started with the “Hey Ladies, What Do You Think of My Dick?” posts. When a bunch of guys started posting questions, trying to “understand women,” which of course is a flawed goal, because women, being people, have a variety of opinions and preferences, and cannot actually be understood as a group. Some of them were actually questioning preferences on penis size, hence the name of the phenomenon.
My hypothesis is that eventually, it will be nothing but men talking to men about what they think about women.
Not that there is a shortage of such spaces on Reddit, or in the world in general.
By the way, that picture above is not actually a picture of 2XC regulars. It’s a picture of the Huutajat Men’s Shouting Choir. Which is a real thing in the world. Here they are in action:
Posted on November 1, 2011, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, douchebaggery, misogyny, MRA, MRA paradox, penises, reddit, video. Bookmark the permalink. 429 Comments.
@ Elusis – I think the solution to this issue is liberal application of the banhammer. Either that or a commenting system like the one on Gawker where you have to be approved to comment, but without the tendency to allow massive trolling in an attempt to drive up page views.
NWO: In fact, everyone google Title IX, preponderance of evidence. Tell me I’ve got my facts wrong.
I have.
You have your facts wrong.
Title IX only applies to schools. That’s one.
Two, it doesn’t change the standards of proof, nor the rules of evidence for either civil complaints, nor criminal proceedings.
Go ahead, cite the passages that prove you are right, and I am wrong.
Kave: “…How about our resident mra’s rise to the challenge of finding one blog entry or thread on a forum of theirs that was co-opted by feminists…”
Challenge accepted.
/R/SRS pretty much took over this thread of mine: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/lwzuk/is_anyone_else_in_rmensrights_finding_that/
That’s weird. Whenever I read Slave’s posts, half the time I imagine him as a 16 year old. Then again, the other time, he acts exactly like my ex boyfriend, who was in his 40’s. It’s hard to read his crap and not get depressed. The guy needs help.
Yes, Maggie, they showed up in a thread where you specifically called them out.
Sheesh.
Btw, ami, I googled you and found a youtube post of yours, you are pretty awesome.
:)
I can only hope that NWOslave will find it within himself to participate with Movember.
This is a huge thing that men do.. and it a good thing. All you have to do is grow a fresh mustache and get sponsors. It’s huge where I live with all benefits to prostate cancer.
@NWOslave:
Let’s try a thought experiment. Let’s suppose, just for the sake of argument, that you are right–that women are engaged in a collective war against men, using the long arm of the government to get their way, and that every bad thing any man does to any woman, from Internet asshattery all the way up to real-life rape and murder, is simply self-defense. Let’s take all that as a given.
What if women stopped? And thus men stopped in response? What if we made peace? Once the dust had settled, what would society look like? Would there be equality between the sexes?
You seem to attribute everything about society that you don’t like to this war between the sexes (and Jewish bankers), so what do you imagine society would be like absent said war?
It isn’t really meta that a male troll derailed this thread, that’s what happens on almost ever manboobs thread. Rarer types of derail are things such as “shieldmaiden derail” and “non-troll derail”.
Some of my friends are participating in Movember. It sounds awesome! And, as a woman who can’t grow a mustache, I feel in no way oppressed or isolated regarding this event. See what I did there, NWO?
@pecunium
shorter owlslave: courts, how the fuck do they work?
OMG, Maggie, you mean that if you deliberately troll people they often respond? I for one am shocked.
But not nearly as shocked as I would be if a bunch of feminists suddently decided to invade all the MRA blogs and expected their comments to be met with delight and a willingness to abandon one’s political leanings, like our trolls do here. If that did happen I would wonder what had occurred immediately before to make said feminists lose their damn minds. But coming from MRAs it’s just more of the usual.
NWO said:
Freedom is slavery, apparently. And this idiot has the gall to whine about oppression. Does he even remember like a week and a half ago talking about how much women oppressed men when they were still literally considered the property of their husbands? Why do you wish such slavish subjection on men, slavey?!
We trolls don’t expect our thoughts to be accepted here. ;)
Well, granted that you don’t, but DKM and Slavey both seem to be genuinely surprised that most of the commenters here have yet to covert to the MRA cause even after reading several of their tl;dr rants.
i dont actually read the things they right, i kind of skim and then guffaw.
which i guess actually puts them ahead of magdelyn who i skip over completely because theres only so many ways you can say ‘holy shit, look how out there i am’
I often don’t read the things they “right” (sic) either.
I always get mags confused with this other troll I occasionally encounter on blogs. Is she the one who thinks that boys will like her if she rolls over and begs hard enough, or the one who seems to have a weird hate-crush on Jill from Feministe*?
*as if that narrows it down at all. :p
mags is the one who shows up in every other thread to ask you if youve considered the fact that maybe girls actually do have cooties
Hmmm..good question. But, I have a question. Who is Jill from Feministe?
Mags: At a guess,she’s a person named Jill who posts on Feministe. It’s another feminist blog, maybe you could expand your trolling territory! Or, hey, have you considered franchising? There are lots and lots of feminist blogs, and we all have to sleep sometime.
i want to see magdelyn try to troll feministe. i would read those posts.
Well, thanx for the invitation to troll other blogs. my trolling calendar is pretty filled up. it’s hard to coordinate work, promisuous rendevous’ and trolling. i do think that i have an account there….and at jezebel.
I’m not sure how long she would last, most other feminist sites are a lot freer with the banhammer than David is.
Shield Maiden?
There’s a Spearhead female supporting group called the Shieldmaidens, so called because they defend misogynists from the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune for the privilege of being stabbed in the back, I suppose.
Shieldmaidens? Son, Eowyn is disappoint. -_-
bagelsan: “…Is she the one who thinks that boys will like her if she rolls over and begs hard enough…”
Well, begging is fun. I don’t roll over. I like getting flipped over. And, they do really like me when I’m on my stomach. Just saying. Don’t knock it till you try it. Of course, if you’re a lesbian, just beg other girlios.
This is getting long and coming in late, but what the hell…
The Book of Learnin’
Indispensable Facts About the Universe from NWO
Deluxe Leatherbound Gorean Slave Edition
Science
Evolution is impossible, because otherwise we’d be able to watch dogs evolve into super-dogs. Unless anyone can produce evidence of dogs with super-powers, evolution is a myth.
The theory of evolution claims that life came from rocks. It also states that evolution doesn’t occur anymore because rocks are no longer in make-life mode.
The theory of evolution is the same as the Big Bang theory, which is also impossible.
In the animal kingdom, females entice males with their spectacular plumage and elaborate mating displays.
Female animals cannot feed themselves and rely on males to support them. Even in cases where this seems untrue, the males are still tougher. For example, female lions do all the hunting in the pride, but if they come across a really tough enemy, like a hyena, they run and get the male lion to fight for them.
Mathematics
Feminists claim that one in four women is raped in college. But since college lasts for four years, you have to multiply that by four. Therefore, feminists are really saying that 100% of women are raped in college, which is obviously untrue, not to mention proof that women are bad at math.
There are only three percentages in statistics: 0%, 99%, and 100%. In statistical analysis, all numbers should be rounded to one of these three. COROLLARY: If people notice this and start suggesting that you’re just making your statistics up, it is mathematically acceptable to add some other really high numbers at random.
“Zero-sum game” is a fancy term for a game that ends in a tie.
Medicine
Children are lined up and injected with a dangerous chemical called flouride to make them stupid.
Mammograms cause breast cancer. Doctors advise women to get mammograms at least once a week until they develop cancer from it.
Many hospitals are open only to women and children. They’re not maternity/pediatric hospitals, just regular hospitals run by people who refuse to treat men for no reason.
All drugs and medication are unsafe except marijuana.
Male suicide is caused by society trying to feminize men, which makes them so depressed they kill themselves. Before modern feminism, suicide was practically non-existent.
After an abortion, the fetus is chopped into pieces and thrown into the nearest river or lake to feed the fish.
The FDA is a fraud. If it really worked, we’d have cures for cancer, diabetes, and every disease and ailment; since we don’t, it must not be doing anything useful.
Education
Reading is not taught in American public schools.
Public schools offer two kinds of math: traditional arithmetic and New Math. Children are allowed to choose which one to learn.
Before feminism, male children were not required to do homework or pay attention in class.
How-to courses on homosexuality are taught in public schools. This is the only way people become gay.
Men are not permitted to work as teachers in the U.S.
University of California schools have gotten rid of all their engineering and computer science departments and replaced them with women’s studies and gender studies. The University of Cincinnati has also gotten rid of its computer science department.
Thanks to the power of Title IX (see Law), all but two colleges in the U.S. are assembling Sex Police Forces made up of female students and faculty, dedicated to throwing men in prison without trial. There are plans to extend this program to grade schools.
History
Ancient Greece, Rome, Persia, and China under the Ming Dynasty were extremely progressive, feminist societies. That’s why they collapsed.
Before modern feminism, rape was a rare occurrence and almost unheard-of.
Lynchings in the American South consisted of women accusing men of rape because they were man-hating feminists. Race had nothing to do with it; it was just as easy for a black woman to get a white man lynched as vice versa. In cases where the man was lynched on an accusation from another man, the lynchings were justified.
In 1919, women took control of all levels of government and law enforcement. Since then, every law in the U.S. has been written and enacted by women. There have been no male politicians, judges, or police officers for over 90 years.
The CIA imported feminism from the Soviet Union by publishing Ms. magazine and Miss Mag and channeling funds to a woman named Gloria Steinen.
All wars in history were started by women nagging their husbands to invade other countries to get pretty dresses.
The first major war was the U.S. invasion of Libya this year, spearheaded by Hillary Clinton as a plot to kill men.
Linguistics
The word “suffrage” is derived from the verb “to suffer,” because voting is hard.
Spanish and Russian use the same alphabet. The Russians just have a funny kind of handwriting called cryillic script.
Arts and Literature
The Iliad is the story of how Queen Helen of Troy ordered two armies to fight over her. It is based on a true story.
The classical Greek play The Bacchae is a celebration of the roving lesbian gang that murdered the musician Orpheus. It is based on a true story.
The musical Chicago is a polemic about how men should be shot to death. It was written by a female college student last year.
Fashion
Most girls and women over the age of twelve wear see-through tops and micro-miniskirts on all occasions. Although their skirts are so short their genitals hang out, they do not wear underwear.
Women only dress to attract men—all men. If a woman leaves the house in clothes, she wants to have sex with any man she meets. Men, on the other hand, never dress to look attractive.
Law
All U.S. law, from the Constitution down, has been supplanted by the extremely powerful Title IX, a law requiring that all educational, government, and private institutions be 100% female. Title IX has its own police force, which is exactly like the Nazi SS. This takeover of the government was orchestrated by Russlynn Ali, Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights in the U.S. Department of Education.
If the names on a contract are in all caps, those people are legally corporations. If they’re in mixed case, the contract is invalid.
Requiring people to take a vision test to get a driver’s license is an atrocity on the level of the Holocaust, Pol Pot’s genocide, and the famous Communist massacre of Christians.
The United States is a communist dictatorship. If it were a free country, people wouldn’t have to pay taxes or get licenses to drive.
Crime
False reporting of rape is the most serious and common crime in the U.S. The most common reasons for a woman to make up a rape accusation are cheating, revenge, excuse for missed homework, lateness, work absence, and attention-getting.
The average man is falsely accused of rape and thrown into prison without trial on a daily basis. Available statistics say otherwise because the true numbers are kept under wraps by the CIA.
If an accused person is found not guilty of a crime, it should be assumed that the accuser was lying, and the accuser should receive the maximum sentence possible for the crime in question.
Economics
All financial crises are caused by the Federal Reserve, which is run by the Rothchild family.
All the real-estate speculators who caused the housing bubble were women.
Maternity/paternity leave is the single biggest drain on the economy. If companies got rid of parental leave, it would create enough wealth that all women would be able to quit their jobs and be full-time mothers, like they’re supposed to.
There are no poor women. Whenever a woman needs anything, she sits in the middle of the street and cries, and passerby throw food and money at her for free.
Women control 80% of the world’s wealth, thanks to all the crying.
Business
Because of Title IX (see Law), all businesses with government contracts are required to hire only women to meet gender quotas.
The few businesses owned or run by women are nonprofit organizations dedicated to hurting men.
Government
Everyone takes orders from the U.N. and the Jews.
Without government, homosexuality would not exist.
Foreign Relations
In war, women act as “cheerleaders” for both sides at once, goading otherwise peaceful men to fight. These women have no political goals or opinions; they just like watching men die.
Russia is the “deathplace capital of the world” for men because feminism was invented there (see Feminism). It is the most feminist country on earth.
All taxes in Scandinavian countries go toward women’s causes. Scandinavian grade schools have a holiday where girls are given cookies and ice cream, while boys are given stale matzo. Men in Scandinavian countries are imprisoned for farting.
Judaism is a nationality.
Marriage and Family
Somewhere in the U.S. is a place called The Ghetto, where between 70% and 99% of households consist of unemployed single mothers living entirely off welfare. Also, everyone in The Ghetto is black. Sociologists are still struggling to determine why women in The Ghetto don’t support themselves as other women do, by sitting in the street and crying until people throw stuff at them (see Economics).
99% of feminist marriages end in divorce.
The vast majority of violent rapists come from female-led households, because the feminist indoctrination boys receive in such households makes them so angry they have to go out and rape people to let off steam.
When you get married, the government owns you through your marriage contract. This is why the government can make divorced people pay alimony and/or child support.
Religion
Judaism is the most aggressively evangelical religion on earth. Less than 5% of Jews are ethnically Jewish, while the rest are recruited from the tireless Jewish recruitment efforts.
Catholics worship the Virgin Mary.
In the story of Jesus saving the adulteress from stoning, the moral is that sinners deserve to be stoned.
Pedophilia
All child molesters are either women or gay men. Straight men never molest girls.
Prepubescent girls who wear swimsuits to the beach desperately want to have sex with middle-aged milking-machine technicians.
Feminism
Feminism is a highly organized international movement created in the Soviet Union and currently funded by the United Nations.
Phyllis Schlafly has worked tirelessly throughout her life to promote feminist causes.
Predictions of the Future
Someday a straight white man will beat up a lesbian for molesting a five-year-old. Everyone in the world will sympathize with the lesbian and immediately legalize child molestation.
In 100 years, white people will have gone extinct because white women didn’t reproduce enough. Archeologists discovering the remains of Western culture will laugh at us for letting women have rights.
Girl, you lazy! Lots of Feministe posters manage the first two things no problem (and I believe they even substitute actual intelligent human interaction for the latter, which I’m told can be even more effort than listlessly commenting on a blog it’s nearly impossible to get banned from.)
TURTLE!
Okay, now I’ll just remember you as the turtle troll. Distinct from the one with the girl-hate-crush on Jill. Got it. :D
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(______)(:D) <– mags, getting her groove on
Mags, impervious to jaguars! Less impervious to large birds! Teenage Mutant Ninja Magdelyn! Aight, that’s my mnemonic now. ^^
@bagelsan – I don’t get it. But, thank you anyway.
In all fairness, last time I mistook you for this other dude troll from an entirely different blog. Having any kind of distinguishable personality — even if it’s just that you’re a turtle — is kinda a step up. So you’re welcome. :)
I kind of like it more like this…but okay.
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We really need our own version of Feministe’s Next Top Troll here. David, how about it?
Ohh, ohh….pick me. pick me. I know I’m not as fun as NWO and some of the others. But if you come to SF, I’ll sleep with you.
I’m already in SF, actually…
But no, sorry, you’ve got nothing on DKM and his fantasies about a mass culling of women so they can be replaced with robots.
That’s a tortoise!
/hasnothingtocontributebutthenneitherdoesmagdelyn
Magdelyn, I can tell that picture is supposed to have a person in it, but beyond that, I’m lost. What is the person doing? Is there a graphic for trolling?
A person? I was looking for a turtle! Should I unfocus my eyes more…?
katz, that was amazing. XD And will probably be stuck in my head all night now.
yeah…..the ascii art I stole collapsed. It was supposed to look like this: http://i.imgur.com/TMHjL.jpg
Also, being horny and up for lots of sex is great and all, but don’t you at least want to screen people for looks a bit before offering to fuck them?
bagelsan: “…In all fairness, last time I mistook you for this other dude troll from an entirely different blog…”
Phew! That’s a relief. I was too embarrased to say, until you mentioned the above, that I mistook you for an everything bagel with vegetable cream cheese…but not as delicious.
@CassandraSays – Well, sometimes. For instance, I prefer to sleep with black men. But, I will pretty much sleep with anyone to get what I want.
What is it that you think you would get out of sleeping with the commenters here?
(Other than possibly an orgasm or two)
Mags: Even if you were into women (and I weren’t married to a man who would strangle me for sleeping with an MRA), I can pretty much guarantee that you are Not My Type.
@kathleenb – right back atcha.
xoxoxoxoxoxo
btw….i’ve slept with a bunches of broads as well
cassandra…..you realize i was being facetious. please tell me you realized that.
That’s the thing, Maggie – most things you say here are so loopy that it’s almost impossible to tell when you might be joking. If someone sounds like they’re talking nonsense all the time, who knows the intent behind anything they say? Call it an occupational hazard of trolling.
@ Kathleen – Yeah, I’m pretty damn shallow as far as looks are concerned, but still not shallow enough to fuck an MRA no matter what they look like. I’ve met people who were pretty much my physical ideal (it comes with the job) and still thought, nope, not fucking you even if you promise not to talk.
Mags: I am not a broad (although I am somewhat broad). I am, according to my Grandma after i refused to get her coffee until she put her hearing aid in, a tough dame. High praise from another tough dame.
you think i sound loop and talk nonsense allthe time? i make perfect sense to myself. but, i’ll take your word for i, because people have actually said to my face that i seem eratic and unstable. but, i always took i as a complement. good think my psychiatrist still love me. : \
typing with my off hand resulted in the above jumble of letters
OK, magdelyn has outright admitted that she just spouts crazy nonsense that nobody else can decipher. I really don’t know where the conversation can go from here.
Cassandra: So true. A friend met a guy at an event, they hit it off, he lived somewhat in the area, he could dance, seemed like a nice guy. Our friend was squee-ing all the way home. Next time I saw her, I asked how their first date had gone. Her: “He’s Libertarian.” Me: “Well, shit.” Her: “Yeah.”
In my case it’s usually “damn, you have lady issues” that puts me off otherwise pretty people. I mean, not allowing them to talk might help a bit, but I still know they’re fucked up. I like myself too much to have sex with anyone who doesn’t think I’m awesome and treat me accordingly.
(If they treat me wonderfully but treat other women like shit they’re eliminated on the grounds of being manipulative.)
The question, Cassandra, becomes, “Are you awesome.” Cause if you’re not…ow, that’s gotta be though.
Lady issues? like, what? Endometriosis? Uterine cysts? I’m stumped.
Whoa! Katz. You got me. That was sure clever. But, thankfully, I don’t put my real name on the internets…which is not only crazy…but dumb.
The answer, Maggie, is yes.
@ Kathleen – I use “lady issues” as a generic way to refer to men who are not just sexist, but appear to be in some way seriously damaged in terms of how they relate to women. So, not just standard sexism-lite that you find in lots of people, but the kind of sexism that, say. DKM or Slavey manifest.
Cassandra: Ah, I see. I thought the guys were telling you that you have lady issues. /me is tired and confused
She really is a disjointed mess, isn’t she? One sentence or clause doesn’t follow from the previous one in any conceivable way.
Nah, any guy that told me I had lady issues would just get the raised eyebrow of wtf are you on about.
I think I started using that term because I used to say certain men had mommy issues, and then realised that for some of them it wasn’t about their mother but about some other woman they were carrying a grudge towards that they were then applying to women as a whole. Highly applicable to the MRM, what with their emphasis on the idea that women have wronged men in highly specific ways.
as long as i understand the voices in my head, katz, i’m fine with that.
Aw, the lady in the ASCII has a very bored/disgruntled face. I hope you aren’t so mildly displeased when you have sex, mags? No wonder you’re propositioning manbooberz left and right. :(
Those sound like female issues; surely lady issues must be much more refined? Insufficient nose powder? Handkerchief is too lacy? :D
Constant random babbling? Voices? Must resist joke… about why… Mags’ sex partners… like her best faced away from them… XD
(But seriously, with all mags’ talk in combination with the ASCII lady’s ‘meh’ face I just gave myself a sad about a troll’s sex life. :p)
I didn’t even see a face in her wall of text. Clearly I am insufficiently geeky to be engaging with this particular troll.