Men Going Their Own Way baffled by lesbians, refuse to believe they exist
Silly lesbian! Girls are icky. Also, you probably don't even exist.
MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
Posted on October 21, 2011, in $MONEY$, homophobia, idiocy, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, sexy robot ladies, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 559 Comments.
LOLWHUT
Even if that were true, it’s still better than REFUSING TO USE ANY LOGIC AT ALL.
Also, simon, please answer my above question. Why do you think sex is disgusting? Why do you think women who have sex are disgusting?
“I would have never mentioned my Mensa score if it were not for Bees nonsensical accusations.”
Simon, just to reiterate…
“This quiz is provided for entertainment purposes only; it is not an IQ test. This score will not qualify you for Mensa.”
It’s about as relevant to your intelligence as the “95% of people get this one question wrong!” banner ads. If you want to prove your intelligence, try something else.
Simon, I apologize for poking fun at your grammar. I didn’t realize English was your second language, so that was very insensitive of me.
Protip: Stating your score on some mensa test without someone asking “Hey, why did you score on this mensa test?” makes you look like your trying to prove something, and also comes across as pretentious. If you’re not trying to do either of these things, don’t wave around your mensa scores.
Yo, nugganu said something back there that most of the readers probably know is false, but I just want to correct it real quick for people following at home:
The AIDS virus cannot “get through” “holes” in a condom. Latex condoms are extremely effective at preventing HIV transmission (like 98-100% effective) when they are properly used. The myth that HIV can get through a condom is a myth spread by abstinence-only programs in the US and elsewhere in order to scare people into avoiding sex. Unfortunately its only effect is to decrease condom usage since people who are sexually active will continue being sexually active except now they believe that condoms are worthless (which they ARE NOT).
A good way to think of it is this: you can fill a condom up with water, right? Water molecules are far far far far smaller than HIV particles. If water can’t leak through a condom, HIV can’t either.
Here’s a link to the US Center for Disease Control about HIV and condoms:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/prevention.htm
@kirbywarp:
No, that’s what she said (scroll up):
“Very stupid and easily led” ==(sufficient reason to assume you are a)==> MISOGYNIST
That’s what she meant in this context, don’t try to wiggle free by saying it was just meant as “cause and effect”.
@darksidecat
“Everything on that list is consistent with the notion that rape is about power.”
If that’s the case all crimes are about power.
Theft is the power to steal.
Murder is the power to kill.
Assault is the power to attack.
Extortion is the power to coerce.
All transgressions are the power to commit an act which harms another person. Saying rape is about power is superflous since all crimes are an act of power over another person. Rape is about sex, theft is about stealing, murder is about killing, assault is about attacking and extortion is about coercion. Theft without stealing is impossible. Theft is about the act of stealing, not the act of power.
that’s our owlslave!
Actually, no. She didn’t observe that you were stupid and then concluded you were a misogynist, thus assuming that all stupid people are misgynistic,
What she DID do was observe you were a misogynist and then speculated that stupidity was the cause.
These are two very different things
Simon, most people have pretty good boundaries or a sense of right and wrong. So while your GF may think your sister was attractive, she wouldn’t act on that because of you and her respect for you and all that good stuff that makes up healthy relationships. Or do you not think people are capable of those? Is it only bi people you have to watch out for?
If you need to be told why you shouldn’t call women whores, you are a dolt beyond help. Seriously, be ashamed of yourself.
NWO, dearie, usually when people steal things it is because they want money and either cannot or do not want to attain it through legal channels. I can vaguely imagine someone being all “ahahahahahaha I stole this from you THEREFORE I CONTROL YOU” but I don’t think it represents most thieves outside of Batman comics.
Hi NWO! I see your letting your stupid flag fly tonight.
^you’re. where’s the damn edit function? :(
@Simon:
*Sigh* If you are stupid and easily led, then you will fall for false arguments and be convinced by bad logic, thus being convinced into misogyny. Being either of the former does not automatically imply the latter, but it makes it more likely.
This is all rather silly, Simon. Do we really have to spell everything out in modus ponens for you?
1. Someone who is stupid or easily led can be convinced by bad arguments.
2. You are stupid or easily led.
3. You can be convinced by bad arguments (1 and 2)
4. Someone can be misogynistic by being convinced of bad arguments.
5. You can be convinced to be misogynistic. (3 and 4)
Or something like that… Ultimately it’s all very pointless.
I suspected some people were interpreting Simon’s remark here incorrectly, and his recent posts have somewhat confirmed my initial suspicion. He’s not merely saying lesbian sex is icky, but rather that it’s about policing his potential girlfriends thoughts and desires. If she were straight, he could be “reasonable” and tell her to only limit her interactions to other women, but if she’s bi, then he’d have to be “unreasonable” and prohibit her from interacting with anyone but himself.
It’s all about control.
Hey, NWO. Are all acts that could be sex in some context sexual?
@ NWOslave:
“@darksidecat
“Everything on that list is consistent with the notion that rape is about power.”
If that’s the case all crimes are about power.
Theft is the power to steal.
Murder is the power to kill.
Assault is the power to attack.
Extortion is the power to coerce.”
Well stated. Excellent defintion of any criminal intent.
May I add, a distorted, antisocial sense of power which vainly attempts to compensate for deep seated feelings of inferiority or lack of power.
I said that you are a misogynist, and I said I presume that’s because you are stupid and easily led. If you need me to explain the difference, just ask.
No, actually, I said you are a misogynist, and I presume that’s because you are stupid and easily led.
In fact, here is the exact quote: “Good question. I can’t think of a single reason, dude. And yet you are one. Probably because you’re very stupid and easily led.”
Most misogynists I’ve run across are dumb as lint, and they seem to be open to a belief system that allows them to put all their problems on people who are different from them. (Same for racists and other varieties of haters, for what it’s worth.) This doesn’t mean that all dumb people I’ve met are hateful. I’m not assuming you’re a misogynist — I noticed that you have a tendency to spout misogynistic beliefs.
And I also (concurrently, if it matters) noticed that you are extremely dumb.
I dunno if you ran across this kind of fallacy while taking your Mensa exam, where someone says all roses are flowers, so therefore all flowers are roses? You do understand that that’s what you’re doing here?
And yet the last time this topic came up, I swear you insisted that you are a native English speaker. Am I correct on this, or just remembering another troll who can’t English?
nugganu, I wanted to let you know that I’m in a happy poly relationship. I’m not Muslim, and neither my boyfriend nor the Other Man are Muslim either. (I’m pretty sure Muslims aren’t trying to take over America, though.) Also, I’m bisexual, and I’ve had sex with (I think) 15 people. I have never had an STD, and I’ve never been recommended for electroshock therapy. I’m kind of a socialist, though, or at least a godless liberal. I have never had my testosterone levels checked.
Also, your understanding of evolution is faulty. Imagine it as though an individual gene wants to replicate itself, and you’ll get a better understanding. If an allele caused individuals that possessed it to be less able to mate, causing them to have fewer offspring than individuals with a different allele, the frequency of that allele compared to others would decline, all other things being equal, but this is in no way “nature selecting a hypermasculinized female” in order to end the “family line”. That doesn’t even make sense.
Simon, holy fuck you are boring.
@kirbywrap:
Simon, just to reiterate…
1st of all, this was not really meant as serious, do you understand this, ok? It was some sort of reference to the constant stories we have to accept as true like “All of my 50 friends are…”. 2nd, I didn’t even do the Mensa workout, I just googled and looked up what a good score would look like. It’s all lies, ok? 3rd, I hate Mensa and I think this is the most ridiculous thing ever, and the only person of the famous Mensa members list, that I would miss is Isaac Asimov. 4th, my previous attempt of humor failed, because Bee is too stupid, I wrote “I can even use html tags” and this was obviously not serious (and look how stupid I am, in my previous post, I failed to use nested tags!). 5th, people that tell others about their IQ scores are just ridiculous. While a very high IQ probably proves that you are quite clever, you are light years away from a true genius. Look at Marylin vos Savant, she has the highest IQ score of the world all she does is writing for a magazine where her readers ask her tricky questions.
I’m not at ALL surprised at Rev giving NWO props. Two dim peas in a very dim pod.
I’m also more than a little amused by the idea that Simon thinks that bisexual people are evil whores because their existance might in theory make him feel insecure about his girlfriend’s potential infidelity and/or there’s something very odd about his relationship with his sister. (Seriously, who thinks their sister would happily fuck their girlfriend the moment they were left alone together? Paranoid much?)
Dear Simon – your feelings are your own to deal with. It is not reasonable to expect the universe to arrange itself in such a way that you don’t have to deal with feeling icky occasionally. Do grow up, dear.
Re: All this
AMAZING! This makes me giddily happy, Simon. It’s like watching a little kid being super serious when the adults are laughing after he made a mistake. STOP IT! I MEANT TO DO THAT! THAT’S NOT FUNNY!!!
Oh no, not that! I’m too stupid???? *hangs head in shame* Say, what’s your email address … I’ll send you my Mensa test results. :)
(Poor Simon. What do you want to bet his next comment is, “See, Bee offered to send me her Mensa test results, when I already said I think that’s ridiculous”?)
MissPrism: My sister in law made me a lovely crocheted cloche, with a flower. It’s one of the few ‘girly’ things I wear on a regular basis.
Simon, if one person misunderstands you they may be stupid. If many people misunderstand you chances are that you are communicating poorly.
(Or just a bit odd, mentally. I mean really, the sister thing was pretty weird.)
@Shora:
Of course they are… and normally I would say you are right, but the context makes it absolutely clear that this was an insinuation with the intent to bring the message “I think you are a misogynist because I noticed that you are dumb.” across.
But honestly, I don’t care, either way it’s insulting.
So, end of the story.
@Bee:
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I can’t accept that, because you constantly use these sorts of insinuations, on a purely logical layer you are right, but come on, you know exaclty what you are playing here all the time. It’s like when somebody says “There were some things Hitler did right” (yeah, Godwin) and something like “I just meant… Hitler finished school, so he passed the tests there. That’s what he did right.”.
You’re wrong.
@Bee:
Oh, Bee, if you just knew, if you just knew… the pleasure is all mine…
Oh, I can give you one hint Bee, read MissPrism’s post she wrote here at 5:28.
If the pleasure were truly all yours, you wouldn’t have felt it necessary to write that. ;)
That’s right, it was Samuel. Another misogynist who writes like English is his second language. Although in his case, I guess it’s not. Apologies for my confusion.
Yeah, but this makes no sense. What I did was use English words to mean something very specific. In this case, it was me saying “Good question. I can’t think of a single reason, dude. And yet you are one. Probably because you’re very stupid and easily led,” to mean: I can’t think of a single reason why anyone would be a misogynist, and yet you are a misogynist, probably because you’re very stupid and easily led.
If you take that to mean, “I assume you’re a misogynist, because I’ve noticed that you’re stupid, and all stupid people are misogynists,” that’s your fault. That’s not me trying to sneak something past you and then trying to weasel out of it later once I realize that you’re not down with my original idea — it’s me using words to mean something in particular, and you misunderstanding the clear meaning of those words.
But really, this is a pretty boring argument, and it seems like words are difficult for you to understand — which is totally cool, if this is your second (or third or fourth) language, and yet not so cool if you pretend that you know what things mean but don’t and then blame other people for your misunderstanding. So, just my way of saying I dunno how much more patience I have for your vast misunderstanding of what words mean.
Oh no … Ami?
Give me another hint!
3rd, I hate Mensa and I think this is the most ridiculous thing ever, and the only person of the famous Mensa members list, that I would miss is Isaac Asimov.
Isaac Asimov has been dead for some time. And, to bring the thread full-circle, he died of AIDS, thus clearly demonstrating MRAL’s whole “STIs are a morally terrible thing that happens to giant whores” thesis, and in no way demonstrating “STIs are a morally neutral thing that happens to people who at some point come in contact with the fluids of an infected person, as when an elderly writer gets a blood transfusion from someone who was HIV+ before anyone really knew that was a thing.” Clearly! :-p
You know, the funny part is that MRAL is totally my type, except for the hateful raging misogyny and slut-shaming bit. Shy, geeky dude who likes George R. R. Martin? Yes plz.
Sigh… I know. When I went to college and started dating, it was a rude awakening to discover that some cute geeky guys were hideously screwed up about women and were awful to deal with, romantically or otherwise, if you were a person of the lady persuasion. Fortunately, there were awesome cute geeky guys out there too, or I would never have gotten laid.
There’s something amusingly counterproductive about slut-shaming women while moaning about how you can’t get them to sleep with you. Oh well, guess it keeps a guy busy on those long nights.
“Women are such sluts. Why won’t they fuck me, those whores?” has to be one the best examples of Dumbass Logic around.
Polliwog: I never knew that Asimov died of HIV. How horrible for his family, to have to hold that secret for so long. I think he would have been able to do a great deal of good for HIV awareness at the time.
I seemed to have missed a bit.
Was MRAL put on moderation for repeatedly calling Ozy a whore or did he cross the line even further while I was away?
He was put on moderation for listing, in detail, the STDs he believed Ozy had.
Okay, so I didn’t miss anything. Just checking.
Oy.
Test
Wow, lots of douchebaggery, homophobia, lesbian-phobia (not sure if there’s a word for that), and general stupid-as-fuck shit from the MGTOW crowd. I hate their “holier-than-thou” attitude. I also hate their apparent disdain for cats. Cats are fucking awesome. Old widows and single women aren’t the only one that have and/or like cats. Felinophobia at its worst!
“I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate”
We have, what, 7 billion people on this planet? We can’t even *feed* a lot of these people. Who the fuck *cares* if the birthrate drops? If anything, it’ll be a GOOD- no- GREAT thing.
“…lesbian-phobia (not sure if there’s a word for that)…”
Pretty sure “homophobia” applies there as well.
To be fair, according to the study in whatever textbook it was that I used, out of the groups surveyed, lesbians reported the lowest frequency of sexual activity. I don’t remember all the groups, but it was at least gay men, lesbians, and straight people.
Just throwing that out there since it was the topic of the op. But even if they have less sex, they still have it. I could speculate why they do it less, but not being a lesbian I have no clue.
Oh well. I know they exist. I have lesbian friends. And I get it …I’m asexual, so folks are always claiming I don’t exist either. Usually it’s guys who want to bone me. For some reason a sexually unavailable woman is super threatening to misogynists.
I see, he doesn’t like bisexual women because he can’t patronize them.
Also, that sounds waaay too much like he’s going into the other room and jacking off over his sister.
“For some reason a sexually unavailable woman is super threatening to misogynists.”
Especially it seems, for Men Who Just Won’t Really Go Their Own Way.
FTFMRAL
How much sex would women have with their perfect virtual men? That’s not a question I’ve heard before! I guess it would depend on how much verisimilitude said artificial man had. Could they converse normally, indistinguishably from a meat man? Would they have personalities? Hobbies?
Assuming the existence of virtual men, who are both fairly indistinguishable from a meat-man, and capable of being everything that the lady who ordered/built them wants in a man — somehow I don’t think this jackass would accept just how much sex future women who swung that way would be having with their VirtuaDudes.
…Because he can’t believe women like having sex — like, A LOT — because then he’d have to accept that the women he pursues (excuse me, “deserves” < *retch* >) don’t want to have sex with him.
@Shora:
I don’t think that women who have sex are disgusting, or at least I don’t want to single them out.
Sex is simply disgusting, because the desire for it can become pretty strong, yet it’s not one of those simple basic needs like hunger or sleep, which are necessary for the survival of the individual (on which higher & more subtle functions are grounded). Hunger and the need for sleep also feel more physical, less part of the self as sexual desire.
Like pain, that you want to make go away, feels not like a part of the self.
Also we can sleep or eat perfectly without other humans but for sex they play a very important role. Yet it gets even worse, because it’s not like the more subtle needs like companionship, social interaction, where we look for features of the mind in other humans, it’s the body and that’s it.
Also the more subtle wants can be satisfied in hundreds of ways, if you are bored you can play chess, read a book or go outside etc. But sexual desire makes you want to do very special things, e. g. you want to have sex with a certain gender. So it’s not like “what nice activity could I do now?” but more like someone pulling the strings inside your brain. And as I said, it’s much worse than hunger or the need to sleep because it feels more as a part of the self and it’s not needed for ones survival (just for the species, and that makes it even worse, because you feel tricked).
Yet it gets even worse, because it’s not like the more subtle needs like companionship, social interaction, where we look for features of the mind in other humans, it’s the body and that’s it.
Speak for yourself, guy.
So basically you have issues with sex, Simon, and you’re attempting to displace your discomfort with the whole thing onto other people.
This is your internal issue, and it’s really not appropriate to go around calling other people whores just because you’re having some internal philosophical struggles with your own sexuality.
Well, it’s not like these idiots would see women as people. Women are some kind of exotic and dangerous Dungeons&Dragons/videogame monster that you have to use special attacks upon, and if you defeat them, using just the right combinations of complicated rote maneuvers, they will drop a sexual encounter as your prize.
To proof yeast is to feed it with sugar during the dissolving stage of breadmaking. It makes it bubble or foam up. It can make your bread too yeasty if you feed it too much/let it go on to long, but it’s good to do if your yeast is a bit old or if you’re using a lot of whole wheat or non-wheat flours in your recipe.
Perhaps unscientific Mensa tests are the sugar to the tiny, tiny microorganisms that make up Simon’s brain?
@katz:
If you say such insulting things, I should be allowed to say “whores” as much as I want. I’ve never ever felt the slightest sexual attraction for my sister. She’s a beautiful and very nice girl, yet, and I won’t go in the details, she’ll never be able to care for herself and so I hate it to no end when somebody would look at her in a sexual way. I would be mortified if I knew that my own gf would feel attraction to her. Maybe irrational, because sexual attraction is a common phenomenon that most people can manage… but, BUT, I think this is only true if we talk about grown, independent adults. Look at it that way: If you accept that sexual attraction is just harmless in every context, there would be something like a pedophile whom you would trust your children.
@hellkell:
Have I ever called women whores? I just said this in response to MRALs comment.
Ok, but still:
I apologize for every time I said the word “whores”.
I know it’s bad, I didn’t want to hurt anybody, I won’t do it again, I promise.
@NullPointer:
Yeah, “boring” or “oh, you’re so evil, you misogynist…!”
Eneya wrote, “So… basically bisexual people as some sort of Schroedinger’s cats?”
We actually disappear if no one is paying attention to us: http://youtu.be/t-4w6NqfLAc
Hey, this thread has managed to get back to being on-topic! Bravo!
Since that’s happened, I’d like to pop in and say I’m in love with the quoted bit in the OP saying how women wouldn’t have sex with VR men because there’s no money in it…but we’d only stop after trying it a few times first. It’s like we’re rats in a Skinner box to whom fucking a dude is just pushing a lever, and we’re so used to the simple system of cause-and-effect that we don’t realize that doing so won’t yield money until we try a few times and realize the inconsistency.
I mean, I know these guys think we ladies are simple creatures, but that’s still assuming such low critical thinking skills on our end that the resulting imagined scenario makes me giggle because of how far it is from reality (yes, even by MRA standards.)
Of course, it wandered back to where the conversation took it by the time I posted, but whatever.
Theft is about obtaining property without paying for it because the owner of it will not give it to you willingly.
Murder could be about many things; it depends on the motive. It could actually be about not having power over the victim, but there are as many motives as there are murderers.
Assault is pretty much the same as murder; it depends on the motive and once again could very well be about having power over the victim. Or the victim refusing to submit and gets attacked for it.
Extortion is about coercing another into doing what you want them to do. Depending on the motive; that is what it is about.
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Translation: I would bet she’s experiencing a higher level of personal satisfaction then I am.
No kidding around, your life really sucks.
Vaginas, how do they work? …My profound sympathies to any woman who has been unfortunate enough to have had one of these guys as a sexual partner.
Simon sex is not a need for everyone… Yes even some males are asexual. They must be even more non existent than lesbians.
Also there are things you van take to rid yourself of desire if you wanted to. Since you seem to be a repulsed a bit by sex. I vast no judgment on that. Just on you projecting your frustration on others.
Feyline I had similar thoughts about that line.
Simon,
All humans have need beyond just what you need to “survive”, like food and water. What makes the need for sex different than the need for any social interaction, or intellectual or spiritual needs? Most people view the need for sex as being much more than just the need to use someone’s body. It’s about companionship and fun and emotional connection as well. Sex is very rarely about the body and that’s it. And if it is… well in my experience, that’s some pretty terrible sex.
I really don’t see what’s wrong with safe, sane, pleasurable, consensual sex. It really is a wonderful experience, and I don’t see why we as a society should limit it for arbitrary reasons.
MRAL: Yeah, but if you have STDs, that still sucks.
So does the flu. You deal with it and drive on. The only way to avoid the risk is to not have sex.
What really sucks is things like Reiter’s Syndrome, or RA, or Lou Gherig’s, shit that just happens, and never goes away; no cure for it.
But you know what, you drive on. If it kills you, it kills you; no one gets out of here alive.
Shora — because if society limited sex, then people like him who are hopeless messes at it, wouldn’t feel so out of place… or at least would be able to console themselves by gloating over how much all the nice, fun, not-creepy people in his community were being punished for being awesome.
Oh, yeah, forgot the wome — excuse me, the whores. He’d also be able to console himself by gloating over how all those whores who didn’t want to have sex with him would be being punished for having sex with someone else. Because logic fail.
@white knight
Something tells me: not too many.
Reading this through this thread, it continuously amazes me how sex, something innately biolgical, has so much stigma surrounding it. Why do humans fuck everything up?
1. Obtain consent
2. Stay above the legal age limit
3. Be respectful of your sex partner(s)
4. Use protection, get tested, inform your partner of any STDs
5. Don’t cheat unless you’re in a relationship that allows cheating
Really is it that hard? I do not see the point in condemning or judging people’s sex lives if the above 5 are met. Its no one’s fucking business otherwise.
I’ll be sure to tell the lesbians I know that they don’t exist too. Then again, how can I tell someone they don’t exist, if they don’t exist?
Simon: Remember that nonsensical use of language you spouted about murderers (and the less sensical nonsense about whores, since whore = prostitute = a person who directly exchanges money for sex /= women who has sex with many people in her lifetime): Those same rules apply to misogyny.
You say things about women which betray a deeply hostile opinin of them, absent any supporting facts/evidence. That, my dear boy, is misogynistic.
We call people who engage in misogyny, misogynists.
Why you choose to be such a person, is beyond me, but you plainly do so choose.
But why is this misogynist? I don’t call all women whores, just a certain subset. And it has absolutely nothing to do with their gender. We apply our standards fairly on both sexes.
Really? Do you think nugganu is a whore? He brags of having sex with multiple women in the same day. He says he did it to “get revenge” on one of them; thus declaring he had sex with at least one of those women not out of affection, but hatred of the other (and the strong implication from his account is he had sex with both out of anger, not affection).
But even if you do use the word in the same sloppy, and incorrect, way; your improper use of it to denigrate someone who does something you don’t like, as a shaming tactic; to try and force women to comply with your blinkered morality, is hateful toward women.
Which, again, makes you a misogynist.
Quackers: I’m not sure if relationships can actually allow cheating… cheating, definitionally, seems to be breaking the rules of your relationship. So I can have kinky sex with one boy and make out with a second and cuddle with my girlfriend at night, and not be cheating on anyone, because everyone has agreed that we’re non-exclusive. If I lied to someone and said I didn’t have other partners, that would be cheating, because that is breaking the rules of my relationship (everyone has to know about each other and insofar as possible know each other, although geography can cause some limits there).
@Pecunium: Is there some objective reference sheet one can use to check if something is misogynistic? Cause to me it seems something is misogynistic when “feminists get angry at what you are saying”.
Yea cheating was probably not the right word to use. What I meant to say was be monogamous unless you’ve established with your partner that the relationship is not a monogamous one.
Never said you were, Simon, only said you sounded like you were. This is why it’s important to think about how your words are going to sound.
Show of hands: Who thinks it sounds like Simon is jacking off to his sister? Not even going to ask who thinks it sounds like he has a bizarre relationship with his sister because I know how that vote will go.
You know, the funny part is that MRAL is totally my type, except for the hateful raging misogyny and slut-shaming bit. Shy, geeky dude who likes George R. R. Martin? Yes plz.
I swear to God, women like you only exist on the Internet, because I’ve sure as hell never met one in real life despite.
So, uh, bisexual women are all sluts and sluts all cheat? Okay then. I’m a slut and I’ve never cheated and I can meaningfully pairbond all over the place. In fact, I have occasionally pairbonded meaningfully with multiple people at once! That is, like, super-pairbonding power.
You can’t pair bond with multiple people at once, that’s almost literally the antithesis of the concept.
What makes the need for sex different than the need for any social interaction, or intellectual or spiritual needs?
…you don’t mock people for not being allowed to fulfill those last three, for starters.