Men Going Their Own Way baffled by lesbians, refuse to believe they exist
Silly lesbian! Girls are icky. Also, you probably don't even exist.
MGTOWers, mostly straight and mostly narrow, don’t really spend a lot of time discussing lesbians. Lesbians, after all, are not only women, but women who like other women — you know, like like. But recently one of the regulars on MGTOWforums.com discovered the concept of “lesbian bed death” – the mythological notion that lesbians in long term relationships barely ever have sex – and, well, a very strange conversation ensued. Shade47 started off the discussion with these, er, observations:
Looks like the super hip lesbos forgot the small fact that in lesbian relations no one ends up paying for sex so it doesn’t happen…
The, “we don’t need men not even for sex.” club isn’t a banging scene these days.
I guess this outcome should have been obvious since you can’t put a hole inside of a hole. I keep trying to picture that and it sends me in a logic loop like a computer tasked with calculating infinity. I just can’t grasp how nothing going into nothing can create the best thing since sliced bread. …
Shade47 is so baffled by lesbians that he refuses to believe that they actually exist:
Do you guys think women are really lesbians or is it just another form of “look at me” attention whoring? I mean they don’t have sex, they don’t reproduce, they don’t achieve financial success like the gay male community does. In fact I’m not sure exactly what lesbians are doing in their relationships. I still don’t believe they are real. In order for two people to come together there must be a very specific purpose and attention whoring is shallow even for women. They usually only shack up for babies and money.
Drauger seconded the notion that lesbians are imaginary:
What do you think would happy [if] you put [two] hateful women in a home together? Bliss? Bitches go fucking shit nuts if some man isn’t giving them attention.
Repeat after me: there is no such thing as a Lesbian, only really confused women. Women are by nature whores that will change their whims depending on the whim, depending on what they perceive society rewarding them for, i.e. whores.
However there are such things as gay men, they are men who have made a defining choice.
Goldenfetus added some conspiracy theory to the mix:
Honestly, I think the entire homosexual scene is about attention – for both men and women. I’m not denying that there are men who are attracted to men and women who are attracted to women, but I do believe the entire ‘gay culture’ was intentionally manufactured to further destroy the birthrate, with the reward for participation being attention and the approval of their elite masters.
Avoidwomen, for his part, not only accepted the existence of lesbianism; he also predicted a big lesbian upswing in the future after more and more men Go Their Own Way:
I expect to see a big increase in lesbianism as more and more men avoid women. We know that women are far more social than men and they really hate being alone, even having cats is considered companionship. As for sex, it’s possible one lesbian couple is a dyke with high T(for a woman) so she pressures the more feminine lesbian for sex and the dyke may actually be paying for sex.
Then he returned to his favorite hobbyhorses: sexbots and “virtual reality” girls:
It will be very interesting to see how much sex men have vs. how much sex women have with their virtual reality computer generated men and women in the year 2020. I bet most men get laid everyday while women try it a few times and not bother with sex anymore when she realizes there’s no money in it. Women will use VR men for his virtual money while men will be with virtual women for virtual sex.
The Great One imagined a slightly different result:
I think that instead of a rise in lesbianism we will see a rise in bisexuality among females.
When females can’t find a man, they will settle for another female (or several pets). .. These female on female relationships will fall to the side when an available man offers a long term relationship.
Several pets? Hmm. If this guy is right, the future may bring severe cat shortages, sending the price of cats through the roof!
I’m putting all my money in cat futures right now.
Stay tuned for more on MGTOWers and lesbians. It gets even weirder.
Posted on October 21, 2011, in $MONEY$, homophobia, idiocy, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, sexy robot ladies, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 559 Comments.
Why do I have a feeling you are saying this for some kind of sick sexual fantasy reason?
I’m not saying that weird attitudes toward genitals are completely made up or anything, but you’re not doing yourself any favors by using fictional characters as a gauge of what real people think.
But since you have so much time on your hands, take a few seconds and look up the definition of fetish. You’re using it all wrong and you’re more than old enough to know better.
Wow, all you people are capable of doing is personal attacks on MRAL, none of you comes close to arguing his position, oh wait, that’s right, you’re John Stewart Socialists.
MRAL 10 – Manboobz commenters 0
Nobinayamu, he does not even know basic anatomy, how is he going to know the meaning of the word fetish?
How does someone have herpes twice?
Your hatecrush isn’t even medically accurate, MRAL.
(And seriously. Twenty-some partners. No STDs. Condoms, good luck, and a total failure by the justice forces in the universe to make me as icky as I deserve.)
So what if zie does, MRAL? Seriously, what’s it to you? I know your life is devoid of any human contact, but that’s no reason to go ripping on others.
You just don’t care what kind of attention you get, do you? You’re sad.
You know what I think would be an interesting question to ruminate on, since we’re going to go off topic? How many friends does Mr. Al have? Oh, that’s right. He already told us. The answer is two.
How about this? How many women would have sex with Mr. Al? Oh that’s right. We know the answer to that one too: Zero. That was too easy.
Okay, I got one. How many people has Mr. Al helped in any way this week — made their life easier, given a friendly smile to, wished a pleasant day to? My guess is none. I bet that every personal interaction that Mr. Al has is as stupid and unpleasant as the ones he has online, through absolutely no fault of the innocent people who have to deal with him.
Oh, I know. How many times has Mr. Al been to see his therapist lately? I’m guessing zero for that one too. How many social events or extra-curricular activities has Mr. Al been to since school started? Zippo on that one too.
Mr. Al, you’re a hot mess of a man. You really sure you want to start talking about who’s “fucking gross”?
What Mr. Al fails to realize is that the problem is him.
@MRAL – I’m assuming that you, like most other MRAs, continually whine about not getting laid enough because women aren’t horny enough.
So of course, when you finally do spot a woman on the horizon who likes sex in any form, you call her a giant whore? Wouldn’t this make her and all the other women in earshot vow never to fuck you, thus making your situation even worse?
I mean, maybe if you tried for more of a positive approach to horniness in women, then women would feel more encouraged to follow whatever desires they have, instead of stifling them due to a fear of being slut-shamed. Some of those women might want you. Everybody wins.
I thought you were the gender of logic.
Viscaria:
It’s the first, but it pretends to be the second to get past the censors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_pulp_fiction
@Bee: Right on. Plus, he does not seem to understand that there are treatments and cures for many of the STDs (I’m a bit ignorant of the current state of treatments since I gave up having sex with men in 1982), but there is NO CURE for his ignorance, prejudice, bigotry, and general cluenessness.
What’s sad is that social stigmas around STDs have resulted in many people in the 70s and 80s not taking precautions or getting treatment.
Does anyone else think it’s weird that these guys show up here posting with a bunch of sex-positive women? Women they profess to hate?
It reminds me of so much of all those homophobic evangelical men who all turn out to be doing blow and fucking gay hookers on the weekend.
MRAL, I note that you are not posting in the thread in which a whole bunch of us pointed out that many women do not care about height or actively prefer short men, but are instead choosing to spend your time perving angrily over Ozy’s sex life. Why is that? Does it honestly make you happier to focus on “someone, somewhere is having sex, HOW DARE THEY” than “Hey, it turns out that a large portion of women do not actually care about men being exceptionally tall! This logically means that if I were a kind, pleasant, entertaining person, some women would probably want to go out with me, even though I am not exceptionally tall”?
I mean, I’m sure Ozy’s sexy and all, but I’m not sure what zie did to make gleefully imagining the supposedly wart-ified state of zir genitalia THAT much more interesting than the prospect of being able to get up close and personal with the genitalia of someone you actually like if you just, y’know, act like a human being.
But, MRAL, I thought any woman was hot as long as she wasn’t fat? Ozy is quite skinny; how can she possibly be gross?
At this point, I am pretty sure MRAL is a Puritan, because of his fear that someone, somewhere is having unauthorized fun,with few consequences.
This is just jealousy. Ozy’s probably one of the regular posters that’s closer to MRAL in age and he’s furiously jealous.
Nothing to see here.
I suppose I’ve never really understood being jealous of something that you’re not even trying to have. It’s like saying, “It’s not fair that other people have jobs and I don’t just because I’ve never applied for one!” or, “It’s not fair that other people speak French and I can’t just because I’ve never attempted to learn French!” I get being sexually frustrated, but it makes no sense to say, “It’s not fair that other people are in sexual relationships and I’m not, just because I refuse to be even vaguely civil to members of my preferred gender!”
MRAs are weird.
Being an ignoramus should not be ground for moderation per say, but harrassing behavior definitely should be.
MRAs can’t seem to wrap their heads around the notions that many women like sex, possibly because they are selfish sexists (a group that is generally notoriously bad in bed) and therefore women generally do not enjoy sex with them.
Polliwog – It’s more like “French is a filthy language spoken by dirty people, and I wish I could learn it, but I’ve never attempted to learn French!”
There’s two different layers of WTF in there.
I don’t know why I respond to these things like they’re actual valid theories with my own experiences but whatevs. I don’t think most people are 100% heterosexual, probably not 100% homosexual either, it’s more acceptable in society for girls to experiment. I know it’s not a groundbreaking theory, I think if it was mainstreamed sexualized for guys to get it on with each other men would (openly) experiment more to. I guess I consider myself hetero because I’m just not interested in romantic relationships with women but I have tried sex with another woman (and went out of my way to do so) and I’d do it again but theres a good chance it just might not happen again since I don’t really see myself going out of my way to do so and don’t really sleep with people unless i’m at least kind of dating them usually. Anyways yes MRA’s go ahead and make your theories it’s certainly not some conspiracy going on though.
I’d like to point out that my ex who has had a grand total of 3 sex partners now has herpes and I having had over 70 has caught nothing. Condoms work MRAL, but you have to use them and you have to use them properly.
Lyss you could always say your more hertro-romantic. I know there ate people who sexually attracted to the opiates sex but like romantic relationships with the same sex and they use the term homoromatic. =)
The asexual community uses romantic at the end instead of sexual as well to refer to any romantic but non sexual relationships they want/have.
I also don’t see why the MGTOWs are upset even if women who live together romantically have sex or not. What the fuck does that even matter? So what? Why is a romantic relationship less if there is less or no sex involved??
Are* opposite* sorry auto correct on my iPod is nutty.
@Lyssatakeabow
I don’t think it’s unusual and agree that sexuality, like almost all behavior, is on a spectrum. The human brain is far too nuanced for its many machinations to be broken down into even categories.
It’s why despite identifying as a hetero, cis, man, with male equipment I can recognize, “huh, that’s an attractive man” and have a pretty good idea of why said man is attractive.
Of course, you’d have a hard time convincing these guys that there was anything spectral about their sexuality.
MRAL, you never took my offer for a measuring contest. That is what you MRA’s do, right? Measure lengths of things? Objectively of course.
My school could totally beat up your school.
The thing about “two holes going into each other” reminds me of that south park episode where
Mr.Mrs. Garrison is a lesbian. “I don’t even understand how two women would do that…unless they sort of scissored or something.”NSFW, probably
Personally the only time I ever thought of female genitals as “holes” was in the seventh grade, and I was informed otherwise not soon after that.
Everybody, MRAL’s just engaging in some scientific speculation. Everybody knows calling people giant whores on the internetz is how you do science.
yeah that works for me :) I always nod and smile at the “I’m straight but I’m not an arrow” saying I don’t even know if that’s exactly what it’s meant to say but it sums up how i think of my sexuality. It was only part of their theorizing up there but like just kind of trying to illustrate that there’s not always some huge mystery to women’s sexuality or why they might sleep with other women it’s possible that they just want to and it’s not to impress a man or some shit. Also I just think it happens more often that women who identify as straight will openly hook up with other women because it’s more or less accepted.
1) I currently do not have any STIs, as far as I know. My most recent test was two weeks ago, for chlamydia, herpes, HIV, gonorrhea and syphilis. I am careful about condoms, ask my sex partners to get tested and mostly sleep with virgins.
2) The heights of my current partners range between two inches away from counting as a little person (my girlfriend) to half an inch taller than me (5’7″). I do not, however, sleep with misogynists.
2a) My most sexually successful boyfriend was two inches shorter than me. He had two other girlfriends when I dated him. (Unfortunately, he’s monogamous now. :( )
3) I am extremely, borderline-underweight skinny, but I’m not petite (I’m too tall for that!).
4) I am genderqueer; any pronoun you want to use for me I’m fine with, but I typically use “zie/zir” (use like she/her) to refer to myself.
4a) MRAL, what exactly is the point of ALLCAPSing the female pronouns you use to refer to me? Is that supposed to be some manner of insult? o.O
5) Depending on your definition of sex, I’ve had sex with between eight and fourteen people. I have five partners at the moment. It’s up to you whether that makes me a slut.
6) My theory is that horny people are more likely to identify as bi because if you’re a non-horny Kinsey 1 you might not even notice your homosexual attraction, while a horny Kinsey 1 definitely will. This also neatly explains why women are more likely to identify as bisexual.
7) I love this comment thread. It’s been so long since someone slut-shamed me!
Gah, left off the second half of a sentence. The end of Point Six should read: “women are more likely to identify as bisexual, because it is more accepted that women CAN identify as bisexual.”
Thanks for the info, VoiP! That’s really interesting, and nothing I had heard of before.
I tried to post a thank you earlier but either it got stuck in moderation or I did something weird with my phone, so if it’s the former sorry for the excessive posting, everyone :)
What? How did we end up being trolled by some random shmuck about him having nothing better to do with his life than wondering about the sexual life of Ozy?
Dude… get a life already, it’s getting pathetic.
I wonder… how do you live with “I don’t hate women” and “I am going to use the word whore as an insult, though it is a meaningless word in the company of people who have no issues about their sexuality, or the sexuality of the rest around them” and “I don’t hate women” and “I am going to try and humiliate someone by implying that the person has a sexually transmitted disease, because god knows nobody in the world ever catches any kind of disease unless for a punishment from above”.
Pull you head out of you ass and think for a moment – does anyone here gives a fuck about your sexual frustration? After you finally realise that the answer is negative, we can move on to proceed handing you ass to you in logical discussions.
HOW LESBIANS HAVE SEX, A HELPFUL GUIDE FOR MISOGYNISTS
As an official Bisexual Girl, I can now exclusively reveal how two people with vaginas have sex. Generally, it begins with ordinary foreplay: kissing, breast-groping, taking off clothes, neck-sucking, floggings, etc. Such is basically the same as cis heterosexual or homosexual male sex.
For the next step, it is important to understand that the vulva and penis are homologous: they have the same parts, only in different arrangements. For instance, testes are external, while ovaries are internal. Now, women have clitorises, which are homologous to the head of the penis; in addition, women have the internal clitoris (one part of which is famous as the G-spot) which is homologous to the shaft. Therefore, imagine the kinds of sex you appreciate; whatever kind of sex it is, some lesbians will appreciate those kinds of sex too.
“But Ozy,” you say, “I’m a misogynist, I’m just not that creative.” Well, never let it be said I’m less than helpful. Orgasm-producing sex two people with vaginas can do includes:
clit-rubbing with fingers
finger-fucking
licking of clits or vulvar region
nippleplay
fisting
tribadism
rimjobs
anal penetration with fingers or toy
vibrators placed on clitorises or in vaginas
dildos placed in vaginas
blowjobs (with Feeldoe or strapon dildo)
a wide variety of kinky sex
So us ladies who like ladies and gentlemen only half exist? The things you learn…
“Depending on your definition of sex, I’ve had sex with between eight and fourteen people. I have five partners at the moment. It’s up to you whether that makes me a slut.”
Yuck! Good luck ever finding a man who would want to make you a wife or have children with you unless it was by accident.
Ah, Simon. Telling other people how he thinks they work since dinosaurs roamed the earth. It’s kind of amazing how one person can be wrong so consistently – you’d think that like a stopped clock he’d be right sometimes just by sheer coincidence.
The funny part about MRAs wondering how any sex could happen without their mighty PENIS being in the picture, is that for a significant majority of cis women, penetration is not that entertaining in the first place.
This, incidently, might explain their weird belief that women don’t like sex. If sex = penetration, and most women don’t enjoy PIV but prefer clitoral stimulation, well… I expect the vast majority of the Mighty Penis Squad might conceivably never brought about their partner(s) to orgasm.
When i was 21 I had a 27 year-old lover who had been married for 4 years, and she had never had an orgasm before. So I know those poor women exist out there.
So… basically bisexual people as some sort of Schroedinger’s cats?
Having had sex with 14 people makes someone a giant whore in MRAL’s universe?
Wow. Normally I think of “he doesn’t get out much” as rather a silly putdown, but in his case it actually appears to be true.
@Eneya: We bisexuals get treated as non-existent unless observed by two outside lovers, so that fits.
@ BlackBloc – Yup. Man clumsily jackhammers away at a succession of women and none of them seem particularly enthused. If man is a sexist prick, man concludes that women just don’t like sex.
@CassandraSays:
Ah, Simon. Telling other people how he thinks they work since dinosaurs roamed the earth. It’s kind of amazing how one person can be wrong so consistently – you’d think that like a stopped clock he’d be right sometimes just by sheer coincidence. You shouldn’t spent that much time on rationalwiki.org.
The High-T theory is just speculation, maybe, possibly or even probably wrong, 99% of all women have lower T than men anyway and I don’t know a serious scientific study about this. I just have this suspicion because of the FTM transition stories…
Or do you mean the cheating bisexual women theory? That’s really common sense but there’s even a scientific study… google “The more they like sex, the more women like women” or something like that.
Given these facts it just would be surprising if bisexual women wouldn’t cheat more often.
Simon, your logic is absurd. Cheating is not connected just with the amount of attraction towards people. Your argument is that being attracted to both men and women somehow amplifies the sex drive. Being attracted to one gender or another… r both has no correlation with the amount of sex one craves.
Seriously, how did you came up with that half-baked logic?
Like I said earlier, it’s good that Lesbians exist because it weeds the inferior genes out of the population if they aren’t able to breed, which is likely. Ditto for rad fems. The girl I dated when I was 20, rode the cock carousel to the point that she’s now a 37 year old fat ugly radical disease-infested feminist bisexual. She will never breed. She looks like she’s in her 50’s from all the sexual partners and lifestyle she lived. This is a good thing. Her genes, along with her twisted ideology, will die with her, as she is far to gross for a man to go near anymore. Luckily this will be the fate of many of the women on this board too. Feminism will destroy itself eventually, because there won’t be any fat harpies left to promote it.
Sorry, hit enter, anyway.
I know a lot more monosexual cheaters than bisexual cheaters.
Of the female bisexuals I know, about two-thirds have never cheated. Of the straight women I know… about two-thirds have never cheated.
Just saying.
What facts, Simon? You have presented exactly zero of them, and if you think I’m here to be your Google bitch, you are sadly mistaken.
Simon – bisexual women are hyper-promiscuous by their very definition. It is known fact that the more sexual partners a slut has, the less likely she’ll be able to form any meaningful pair bonds with any one person. Thus they will inevitably cheat. It’s unavoidable, they are disoriented and have a mental disorder that only like, shock therapy could cure. Notice how they also suffer from a myriad of emotional and psychological disorders from their sexual disorientation and penis envy.
“I know a lot more monosexual cheaters than bisexual cheaters.”
That’s because people who identify themselves as bisexual total to about 0.02 % if the population.
@CassandraSays:
Having had sex with 14 people makes someone a giant whore in MRAL’s universe?
Wow. Normally I think of “he doesn’t get out much” as rather a silly putdown, but in his case it actually appears to be true.
The “whore” thing is just a moral judgment, “we” (I hope he doesn’t mind that I speak for him) just think this way in this regard and even if we have to use this word on many, it doesn’t mean that we don’t know what’s going on out there.
There’s a lot of FTM transition stories that include “I lived as a butch lesbian for a while.” There’s very few that include “I was a cheating hypersexual bisexual for a while,” at least not compared to people in general’s stories.
Also hormone levels don’t have much to do with gender identity anyway.
That’s a whole lotta fail you got going on there, Simon. To make one point: What you appear to be speculating about is something that might cause one to have an increased libido or something that might cause one to choose a nonmonogamous relationship. Whether one cheats or not has a lot more to do with one’s ethical point of view than with one’s sex drive,
You do know there are people out there who have happy, open, polygamous relationships with multiple partners, right, Simon?
(I always ask him these really simple questions, but I suspect that Simon in fact does not know very much. Sad, really.)
What does this even MEAN? So you save the word “whore” for special occasions? I have no idea what you’re trying to get across.
Why do you have to use the word whore incorrectly? Who is compelling you to call someone with multiple partners a sex worker?
Is there someone with you holding a gun to your head demanding you sit in judgement of people who have more partners than you think they ought?
“You do know there are people out there who have happy, open, polygamous relationships with multiple partners, right, Simon?”
Yes, indeed, most of them are Muslims. Don’t worry, once the Islamists take over, and you women are made to wear burkas, you are going to be learning a whole lot more about polygamous relationships, and shariah law, and stonings, and genital mutilations. All things the western feminist conveniently ignore.
This is what feminism has wrought – it has weakened the west, to the point that you have effeminate men such as the ones who post here regularly, whom the Islamists would laugh at if they ever decided to move against our society. Feminism has turned western men into such manginas that our civilization will be an epic fail in defence from outsiders.
I mean, what do you think the average soldier would quake in their boots if effete ponces like these pathetic excuses for men were facing them down in battle? I think not.
“Why do you have to use the word whore incorrectly? Who is compelling you to call someone with multiple partners a sex worker?”
Indeed, whore is too good of a word for some of them on here, it’s an insult to honest whores everywhere.
Six partners (mind you, I didn’t start having sex until I was 21, and I’m 23 now, so I’ve done my best to make up for lost time), no pregnancies or STDs. I have had one STD scare, and guess why? My male partner at the time wasn’t honest with me. Fortunately I tested clean, but if I hadn’t, it would not have been my fault in any way, though it’s not as if anyone ever should feel shame for having an STD. To sum it up: Planned Parenthood is fantastic. Though even they cannot cure an irrational phobia of vaginas.
Hellkell – I keep trying to parse that comment in English and keep getting stuck.
The best I’ve got is “oh, ‘whore’ just means zie’s a dirty skank, that’s all, no big deal, I mean, we all know that’s what’s really going on there.”
Holes within holes! Holeception!
Anyway… I loved this part of the OP:
It’s just so… It’s not just saying that a penis is needed for sex, its saying that the man himself is necessary to pay for things, otherwise the woman will never have sex! It’s like all women in the world are prostitutes or something…
Oh, wait… But of course, in the MRM there are some dudes who are into dudes. Obviously gay men exist then, cause look there they are!
Could I have Simon’s last statement again in English? Actually scratch that – could we maybe just create a misogynist to English handbook?
Will you idiots please just go your own way, preferably in an ocean colony away the fuck from the rest of us?
People, people… Don’t you know? “Whore” is just another word for “woman.” Which also means full of nasty icky diseases. I mean, we all know what’s going on out there.
@ Simon: Much to the chagrin of my bisexual friends, I can assure you that straight women do exist. Also, I can assure you that bisexual women are perfectly capable of monogamy, as my bisexual friends and my bisexual sister in monogamous relationships would suggest. Bleh.
@Bostonian – Clearly, women only have sex when they’re gaining something non-sexual from it. Usually money or other resources. Thus, in special MRA world, women who have sex must be whores. Even if there’s no explicit exchange of money for sex, the man must have given the woman SOMETHING of value to compel her to sleep with him.
After all, if all sex consists of men roughly entering women, pumping stolidly away for a few minutes, orgasming, and then continuing to ignore said women, then women probably have to be compensated in some way to put up with it.
There is no such thing as sex where women participate because they derive pleasure from the act. None.
@hellkell:
Please, the last posts were more meant as feuilletonistic micro opinion pieces. As I said, that’s just something I believe, like you may believe that rape is about power and not about sex. But I really don’t want to convert you!
Of course this is bad evidence, but it’s still better than telling my personal stories:
“Bi women and gay men were the most likely to cheat on their partners”
Hah!
And that was the article I meant.
In other words, you have no evidence, and don’t understand how to look at evidence, given your attempt to equate it with the general scientific consensus on rape. You’re even more stupid than I thought.
You can’t even link to a study; you have Dan Savage’s idiotic survey as the only point you can raise; that’s pathetic.
Even when in the deepest, darkest throes of fundamentalist Christianity, I have never hated people enough to call them names for doing something in private, which would never hurt me.
What is wrong with you, Simon?
Simon, the difference between… oh, fuck it, just read Rutee’s comment until it seeps in your pin head.