Amused: Re the sex with the corpse. There was a guy in Canada (NorthWest Territories, IIRC), who raped a woman who was passed out cold, near a bar. This was the dead of winter.

At his trial he offered the defense that he couldn’t have committed rape because he thought she was already dead.

He lost, but the defense was… novel.

But, Brandon, false murder and false robbery convictions are just as common as false rape convictions. If fear of false rape convictions warrant you committing a variety of crimes, why so very little concern for these things? After all, if you had a girlfriend and she was murdered, you would likely be one of the first suspects (not just because you are a sociopath, but because women who are murdered are disproportionately murdered by their partners). Why aren’t you constantly documenting yourself to protect against such an occurance? Don’t you need an alibi every second of every day?

Also, I did suggest that if you want to be a paranoid creepo and tape all of your sexual encounters that a solution to the criminality issue would be getting consent to tape the people first. All you need to do if you insist on taping every single sexual encounter you have is get permission from every person you have sex with to make such recordings. I mean, then you wouldn’t have to break any laws or violate the rights of your sex partner and could still engage in your obsessive, disproportionate paranoia.

Setting aside the fact that Brandon’s little video plan is a staggering moral, legal, and practical failure, I do have a question about evidentiary law. My understanding was that the rule excluding illegally obtained evidence only applied to protecting a defendant from unconstitutional actions of the part of police. I thought that the prosecution was in fact allowed to bring witnesses whose only knowledge of the case was a result of illegal activity, and I would imagine that a defendant would similarly be allowed to produce evidence which may have required a crime to obtain.

I may well have misunderstood or been misinformed, so I was wondering if there’s a lawyer here who could offer an opinion.

1) not have sex unless I trust someone, even though trust can be broken and happens all the time. Also trust is a pretty intangible thing…unlike actual data which is very tangible.

But manipulable. If you are such a computer whiz then why wouldn’t I think you’d doctored the video?

Hy had a nize hat, vonce. Hy vish Hy knew vere it vent…

@darksidecat:
“@NWO and other MRAs whining about drinking, here’s a good guideline to determine if a person is too drunk to consent, ask yourself, “Would I let this person in their current state drive my car?” If the answer to this is no, that is a pretty good sign the person is too impaired in judgement to give genuine consent. Now, NWO, I know you prefer your partners too young to be allowed to legally drive, but as that is being a creepy pedo (oh, so sorry ephebo…child molestor), I will not address that issue.”

Sigh.
So we aren’t allowed to “whine” about drinking anymore?

Drunk women are simply horrible, horrible! I have absolutely no sympathy for all these rules on how to take their totally and utterly self-inflicted drunkenness into account.
That simply sends the wrong message.
If you get drunk, bad things might happen to you, you might have sex you don’t really want, you might buy stuff that you don’t really want (e. g. innocent pets that suffer from you stupid drunken decision!), you might think that you still can drive your car and kill other people or you might collapse in the drain and die of hypothermia.

But no, no, it’s never those people who get drunk who are to blame for their idiotic antisocial and reckless act to intoxicate themselves to the point where they are a danger to society, it’s the sober people who aren’t considerate enough of the winos.

“Just because you helped her home” is already WRONG, the mistake already begins there, you should just leave her where she is, because she has intoxicated herself to the point where she is potentially dangerous… ok, probably she might just vomit in your car but that’s already reason enough!

I never help any drunken women (or men, for that matter) because it’s totally and completely their own fault that they find themselves in this state.

I “whine” about drinking and I am PROUD of that.

Alcohol is evil, sXe for life!

Man, I leave the internet alone for a little while and you all go totally TL;DR on me. I’m just going to charge blindly ahead with comments on Brandon’s link to dangerandplay’s FRA article.

Although you often read of the dangers women face from “date rape,” in truth, men are just as likely to be falsely accused of rape as women are to be actually raped. Not even the most feminist criminal defense lawyer will deny what I’m about to tell you:

“Fifty-percent of date rape cases are outright false.”

If you do a little research, you’ll notice something peculiar about the sentence Dangerandplay presents as a quote: a quick google search shows that the only matching hit for this quote is (you guessed it) dangerandplay’s website. Evidently it is not a quote of anyone except himself. It is dishonest and lazy. What an ubermensch. When asked about it in the comments, he provided this link:

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/prevalence-of-false-rape-claims.html

Which links to this:

http://llr.lls.edu/volumes/v33-issue3/greer.pdf

Which is supposedly an authoritative legal debunking that references Eugene Kanin and cites recantations as indirect evidence of false rape accusations. Right after the author complains about faulty methodology. Yes, really.

Brandon, David made a post here on manboobz some time ago with a whole bunch of links about rape statistics etcetera. You would do well to read it.

DnP’s recommendations:

1. Filming it:
The San Francisco lawyer case mentioned is the case of Robert Michael Hoffman. Contrary to what DnP claims, only one encounter was videotaped. It’s unclear if the taped encounter was genuinely consensual, but the judge admitted it and apparently those charges were thrown out. In the case of one of his other accusers, the woman denied sending text messages to Hoffman and was proven wrong on the stand in dramatic fashion. Why would she lie about such a thing? I don’t know, it seems dumb. In any case Hoffman seems to have been stretching the bounds of consent, which brings me to the point dangerandplay overlooks:

Get clear and enthusiastic consent from your partner before you have sex with them. That alone seems like it would have prevented Hoffman the trouble of these “false” (I’m not convinced) rape accusations. Clear consent, and safewords, are especially important with kinky stuff and the accusations against him indicate that being careful about consent was not one of his priorities.

In the Hofstra case, the woman claimed she had been tied up when the video showed that that did not happen. There were also other inconsistencies in her story that might have acquitted the men involved anyways.

Of course, there are cases where women have been pretty clearly raped and the act was filmed and still it was deemed consensual. I’m thinking of one case in Nigeria, but it’s not like our culture is great about consent–I was watching Blade Runner last night and I realized that the lead-up-to-sex scene between Deckard and Rachael is waaaay creepier than I remembered. And yet this is imbued with a romantic air by their later interactions. Creepy as all fuck.

Recommendations 2-6 just sound like advice for casting suspicion on accusers, which, hey, will work, but it will work just as well for an actual rapist as it would for someone who is not. Given dangerandplay’s demonstrated attitude towards women, and the tendency of PUAs to explicitly call for pushing the bounds of consent, this just sounds like advice for getting away with being a creepy rapist to me. Again I point out that he misses the most important way to avoid being accused of rape, and that is getting enthusiastic consent from your partner. If someone is calling you up the next day telling you it was wrong, maybe you really are doing it wrong.

But hey. Being careful about consent would be respecting your partner, and that woudn’t be Alpha and would get in the way of getting laid. And who am I to get in the way of Game?

The last piece of advice, to not talk to the police, I agree with wholeheartedly for anybody being accused of a crime. Cite the 5th amendment, here in the states: it’s your right. If you don’t, it’s a police officer’s word against yours and theirs will always hold up better in court.

The last piece of advice, to not talk to the police, I agree with wholeheartedly for anybody being accused of a crime. Cite the 5th amendment, here in the states: it’s your right. If you don’t, it’s a police officer’s word against yours and theirs will always hold up better in court.

It seems that the people here just think I should…not have sex unless I trust someone, even though trust can be broken and happens all the time. Also trust is a pretty intangible thing…unlike actual data which is very tangible.…Unless someone can give me some tangible ways to protect themselves from FRA’s without bullshit crap that is impossible to prove (e.g trust, love, and other assorted feelings). I am going to think the best way is to create a paper trail as the best way of protection. That can be video, text messages, email, voice recordings, etc…

Have you been sent back in time to destroy John Conner, or to protect him? Because I’m not seeing any alternative to this scenario right here.

Welcome Kirby! Come right in. It’s a great club, mostly we sit around comparing pustules.

Yes, Moewicus, he left your challenge up. Wonder why?
But lovely running into Johnny_B again, haven’t seen him in ages.

BTW, I wonder whether Brandon realizes how odd it sounds when he insists that the cops posolutley/absatively could not decrypt the very same tapes he plans to offer up as proof that he’s kept his nose clean. In the event such proof is ever required, of course.

I’m just saying.

(bekabot’s Fantasy Brandon: “These are the tapes that could exonerate me, if only you poor schmoes were bright enough to decrypt them, but you’re not!! Hah!! So I guess that means I get the last laugh!! Bwaahh!! I could be a free man tomorrow if only you stupes were smart enough to figure out the passwords for these tapes, but you never will, never in a million million million…er…um…well…yes…[gulps]…guess that’s enough gloating for now…”)

Several people have asked you a simple question, Brandon. Why are you not acknowledging it?

Brandon, I’m not going to join in with the people bashing you for supposed mental disorders. It’s not my business whether you’re neurotypical or not; I myself have been diagnosed with Asperger’s, and judging from what other people have described feelings of empathy to be like, I don’t think I have a whole lot of that. (I have to remind myself constantly that other people have feelings, and reason from that to an estimation of what those feelings must be like in various situations. It’s difficult, but it can be done.)

But even if you are a legit sociopath, or if you have Asperger’s or something, it’s still possible to realize that empathy-like behaviors (I’m not saying “empathy” because I don’t care what your feelings about other people are, just your actions) will lead to rewards for society as a whole and therefore for you.

Consider that we evolved to live in groups, that even today people living in small bands of hunter-gatherers and whatnot absolutely must be altruistic to survive, and that humans in groups are far more likely to be able to hunt, build shelters, farm, etc, than one or two loners.

Consider that society wouldn’t run very well if everyone was as paranoid and creepy as you are being, ready to turn on one another at the slightest provocation. Consider that the fact that nobody has yet turned on you, despite your fears, is evidence that most people don’t want to, that implicitly we have all decided that living in a well-regulated, just society is better for the individual than living in a society of assholes. If other people behaved toward you the way you say is optimal for you to behave toward them, not only would you get hurt, a lot, but everyone would get hurt. And because we’d be less secure, we’d be less prosperous.

You paint yourself as an individual, a loner, just you and your gold and your non-consensually videotaped sex acts, but your individual comfort and security in fact rests on the fact that you live in a society that functions well, and that depends on a network of interdependent acts of altruism. You are the discordant note. Since this provokes hostility, it’s actually self-defeating. Self-interest demands not being a dick to other people.

So according to most people so far, the advice is not to have sex. Ya, not going to happen. Sex is the best part of life and I am not going to stop sleeping with women because people here think I am immoral or nihilistic. Tough shit.

Well, Brandon, in that case what’s clear is that you aren’t taping women without their consent because you need to protect yourself and have no other choice; you are taping women without their consent because you want to indulge your own desires without regard to the bodily integrity of others. Hell, like I said — you might as well be a rapist. One thing, though: if you like boasting of how little you care about others, don’t then go around misrepresenting your motives. You aren’t sacrificing those women to your safety; you are sacrificing them to your hang-ups.

There are all types of people in the world. I just happen to be not the lovey dovey bleeding heart variety.

No, Brandon, see, you just happen to be the stupid and criminal variety. You also happen to be a very immature variety who hasn’t realized yet that Ayn Rand’s “philosophy” is bullshit, and you only exist thanks to the very society that you so despise. I I am not the “lovey dovey bleeding heart” type; hell, I’m downright abrasive. Nevertheless, I respect people’s boundaries and don’t commit crimes in the name of pursuing pleasure. Refraining from hurting others or breaking the law isn’t being “lovey dovey bleeding heart” variety; it’s being responsible and prudent. You are merely trying to be “all tough” in the laughable, puerile way that 14-year-old boys believe intrigues girls. It doesn’t; instead, it proves once again that you are an idiot.

Orion: You are correct, the state has a burden to abide by the law in the obtaining of evidence. That someone collected something, with the intent of it being used as evidence, in a criminal manner isn’t forbidden; so long as they are not doing it at the behest of the police/state.

That, of course, doesn’t prevent the illegal manner of collection being used against them.

@Voip: While I tend to be introverted (I would rather read a book than go out and drink with a bunch of people), no one has said I behave as if I have Aspergers or any other mental illness. Nor do I think I have one. I just view life from a different perspective and have different priorities.

I empathize with people I have an emotional bond with: My friends, family, girlfriends. Not some random girl I met and have known for a few hours. If I empathized with everyone, I would be an emotional trainwreck and wouldn’t get anything accomplished. So I pick and choose who I empathize with. I will go above and beyond to protect my mother and father…I will just walk past the drunk chick that is throwing up in the street.

Paranoid and creepy? Ya to you. Whoopty doo. I have seen men been thought of as creepy with one girl only to have another girl fall all over them when he said the same thing. People react differently You might see it as creepy, while others will see it as cold, calculating and shrewd. I don’t walk around this life with the intension of living the way the women who comment on “manboobz” want me to live. So think I am creepy all you want. You are nobody and in the grand scheme of things, It doesn’t really matter.

Ya, I am not hoarding gold. I just think right now it is a good investment. If society collapsed, clothing, food, cars, gasoline, batteries, bullets and guns would be far more valuable. But I highly doubt that society is going to collapse. I do however think the government/The Fed will continue spending massive amounts of money and inflating the dollar to the point where it is useless. So I am long gold with a trailing stop so if it moves against me, my position will sell and I won’t have a loss.

If anything, I make decisions so that whatever happens, I don’t lose out.

I empathize with people I have an emotional bond with: My friends, family, girlfriends. Not some random girl I met and have known for a few hours.

So maybe you should only have sex with your friends and girlfriends.

Is that so unreasonable? Some people are able to build up enough trust with a stranger to feel safe with the intimate exposure and vulnerability casual sex requires, and you don’t seem to be one of them. So casual sex is not for you.

I empathize with people I have an emotional bond with: My friends, family, girlfriends. Not some random girl I met and have known for a few hours. If I empathized with everyone, I would be an emotional trainwreck and wouldn’t get anything accomplished. So I pick and choose who I empathize with. I will go above and beyond to protect my mother and father…I will just walk past the drunk chick that is throwing up in the street.

Remember when I said that this was about your actions, not your feelings? I didn’t ask you to feel any one way or another toward people, just not be a jerk toward them. And I really like how your example of “someone you don’t feel anything about” is ‘a drunk chick throwing up in the street.” Your misogyny is showing.

If anything, I make decisions so that whatever happens, I don’t lose out.

Insofar as your actions are provoking hostility from other people, you are already losing out. Behaving in a more empathy-like way towards others is actually more “cold, calculating and shrewd” than the way you are behaving right now. This is my point.

These false rape accusations being tossed about… where are they?

I’ve been in communities where casual sex with strangers was common. None of them were ever charged with rape (barring the rare case of statutory).

Over 20 years in those communities, thousands of people having sex hundreds of thousands of times… none of them charged with rape.

Amazing.

Those communities are also communities in which consent is a big deal (perhaps because so many people were having so much sex, often with people they had just met).

Maybe that’s the reason. People got consent, and that meant people weren’t actually committing rapes. If people don’t feel raped, perhaps they don’t accuse people of rape.

I will go above and beyond to protect my mother and father…I will just walk past the drunk chick that is throwing up in the street.

Yep, so does everybody else. But not violating the rights of people you don’t have a special bond with is something everyone has to do in order for society to function. You don’t have to help them or go out of your way at all, you just have to not videotape them having sex without their consent.

“It’s actually land whales. I avoid them at all costs.”

GET IT GUYS FAT PEOPLE ARE FUNNY

@Null: Can I tape them throwing up and post it up on YouTube?

@Null: You know how to not damage your reputation? Don’t get so wasted that you are throwing up in the street.

I will just walk past the drunk chick that is throwing up in the street.

How about a chick who’s not drunk throwing up in the street? Would you walk by too? If you were throwing up in the street, would you want someone to help you? Do you think that if some stranger spends a few seconds dialing 911, he is “losing” by helping you?

Ya, I don’t see me losing out. I have a good family, great friends and a sweet girlfriend. So far, life is pretty damn good. If I am losing out, then what is winning?

Once your girlfriend finds out that you cheat on her with women that you videotape without their consent, she’ll dump you. When you family finds out, they will lose respect for you. They may stand by you in a criminal prosecution because, while you are shit, you are their shit, but they will see you for what you are, and their further relationship with you will be about preserving their reputation, not promoting you. When your friends find out, they might stick around as long as they are the same immature circle-jerking Galt wannabes as yourself. But once they start families and careers, and especially after they have kids, they won’t have anything to do with you, believe me.

You lose because sociopathic behavior ultimately leads to you being alone, unloved, forgotten and uncared for.

You also lose because you commit sex crimes and save the evidence.

Life isn’t about winning vs. losing. You think precisely in the kinds of dichotomies that are so common to very young people who draw their “wisdom” from Hollywood movies and middle-brow books, and haven’t yet given their brains any serious exercise. Life is about solving problems, being a respectable, productive member of society, and leading a moral life that does not revolve around deliberately hurting people just because they aren’t your “friends”. A big part of life is also making occasional deposits into the social favor bank, because almost everyone needs to make a withdrawal at some point. As of now, you have a negative balance there.

To explain the favor bank thing: the toes you step on today may be connected to an ass you’ll have to kiss tomorrow.

You know how to not damage your reputation? Don’t get so wasted that you are throwing up in the street.

Okay… but that doesn’t imply that I’m obligated to be the Bad Decision Police and tell everyone you know about it if I come upon you throwing up in the street. Putting aside any arguments about whether it would be ethical for me to put a video of you puking on Youtube, I just wouldn’t have any desire to do so.

@Amused: Probably not. I would just walk by her in a effort to not get any of it on me.

1) I am not cheating on Ashley.

2) I am not taping anyone. I am just taking the pro-taping side of this issue.

3) I think my friends and family would be more upset with the woman who was falsely accusing me.

4) In the end, we are all forgotten. I don’t plan on having children or getting married. And I have accepted the drawbacks of those decisions. I still see the pro’s greatly outnumber the cons.

5) Life is about accomplishing goals and in order to do that, you have to actually overcome them (hence winning).

6) I am a productive member of society. I work enough to support myself and my basic needs. I see no need to overwork myself.

2) I am not taping anyone. I am just taking the pro-taping side of this issue.

Oh, you mean you aren’t actually committing sexual exploitation, you are just pro-sexual exploitation side of the issue? Yeah, I can see how Ashley will TOTALLY side with you on that.

3) I think my friends and family would be more upset with the woman who was falsely accusing me.

I think your friends and family, as well as the general public would be more upset with you for committing sex crimes against all the women who are not falsely accusing you. They would be equally upset with you for being pro-committing sex crimes against all the women who haven’t done a thing to harm you. I’d venture a guess they might also be upset with you for videotaping someone who turns out to be sick and posting it on Youtube for laughs.

4) In the end, we are all forgotten. I don’t plan on having children or getting married. And I have accepted the drawbacks of those decisions. I still see the pro’s greatly outnumber the cons.

Yeah, but some are forgotten sooner than others. Right now, you only see it as a pro — needy people leaving you the hell alone. Time will come when you will see it as a con — people who you want to do things for you, but don’t give a fuck about you. Marriage and children have nothing to do with this.

5) Life is about accomplishing goals and in order to do that, you have to actually overcome them (hence winning).

Well, if your goal is to be a pathetic douchebag, then I guess, congratulations? Ms. Winner?

6) I am a productive member of society. I work enough to support myself and my basic needs. I see no need to overwork myself.

Not hurting people = overworking oneself? Who knew?

@Amused: You see it as sexual exploitation, I see it as sexual protection.

I love the, consistent, logic fail (who was the last one going on about how false accusations of murder were impossible without a body).

1: A body exists.
2: Someone is accused.

2a: That person did it, or didn’t.

Corollary to 2a: Since a large number of murders have no witnesses; and the victim is dead, the odds of a false accusation are higher than that for rape. A mendacious accusation of rape requires malice. A false accusation of murder only requires circumstance.

If you get drunk, bad things might happen to you, you might have sex you don’t really want, you might buy stuff that you don’t really want (e. g. innocent pets that suffer from you stupid drunken decision!), you might think that you still can drive your car and kill other people or you might collapse in the drain and die of hypothermia.

One of these things is not like the others…oh, wait, sex involves an intervening actor. Drunk people have a right to not be assaulted, and that includes sexaul assault. If you beat someone, rape someone, run someone over with your car, etc. it is not defense that they are drunk. “Sex” without consent is rape. A person who is intoxicated is not competant to fully give consent. Therefore, having “sex” with them is rape. You are not allowed to rape people who are drunk. Boo fucking who for you.

@Brandon, you seriously can’t figure out how someone would be falsely accused of murder? Think it over and get back to us on that one.

Also, you are not just walking past someone when you have sex with them and tape it, you are actively engaging with them and doing stuff to them, you have a duty to treat people decently. And, just because we have sociopathic assholes like you, we put some of those duties into law to give an extra incentive for sociopathic assholes to behave properly.

On that note, would ppl please not conflate aspergers with sociopathy. Aspies just have trouble communicating and figuring out what others want and need. Sociopaths know their actions are unfair and harmful and don’t care. Brandon falls in the latter group, not the former. Most aspies have a very strong sense of justice and do not want to see people harmed. Unlike Brandon, who doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but himself (or perhaps his parents, leaving open the question of whether he is a sociopath or just an antisocial narcissist).

On that note, would ppl please not conflate aspergers with sociopathy. Aspies just have trouble communicating and figuring out what others want and need. Sociopaths know their actions are unfair and harmful and don’t care. Brandon falls in the latter group, not the former.

Except as long as they don’t hurt anyone, there’s no reason to demonize sociopaths either.