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Spearheadonomics: How the ladies caused our economic malaise

These are the awkwardly posed businessladies who wrecked our economy

These are the awkwardly posed businessladies who wrecked our economy

Like a lot of people, when I’m looking for insights on the current economic mess, I turn first to random dudes posting on The Spearhead. Here’s some guy called Poiuyt explaining how ladies and the men who don’t hate them are the source of all our troubles:

Because this god damned genderist society has become so amoral, so degenerate and so bankrupted on account of its genderist pervervions and femaleist subversions, it is going to be exceedingly difficult to grow itself out of the mess it finds itself in. The proverbial golden geese and their precious eggs in male produktivity have been either been killed, eaten, over-exploited, over worked, abused, dis-incentivised, harrased and are now increasingly extinct.

Well, I can’t argue with that, though the whole goose metaphor isn’t working 100% for me, given that I’m pretty sure it’s not the man goose that lays the eggs, but the lady goose. But that’s nitpicking. Poiuyt is on a roll:

You simply cannot get any further male inspired ekonomic growth out of hugely indebted and morally bankrupted societies as ours following genderist statism today, … … because the primary sources of growth potential in male inspired productivity and male entrepreneurship has been cannibalised to the bone. Cannibalised to the point where there is nothing left to base any further ekonomic growth on, consequent of the vicious sexist state ideology of womanism at all costs.

49 upvotes for this bit of wisdom.

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Posted on October 8, 2011, in antifeminism, crackpottery, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, idiocy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead. Bookmark the permalink. 294 Comments.

  1. Oh, dear gods, the stupid is going to burn my retinas.

  2. MRA TACTICAL DIRECTIVE: in this thread, the theme is going to be “silly ladies should stay at home and let men work the important jobs.”

    Do not confuse this with a “silly ladies shouldn’t make a man support them” thread, or we will lose vital solidarity.

  3. Once again we turn to the comedy websites to educate us. Turns out, we had economies before women had rights and they still managed to implode sometimes. http://www.cracked.com/article_18397_5-economic-collapses-more-ridiculous-than-this-one.html

  4. Can someone help me parse the MRA word salad? Who exactly are the eggs in this scenario, and who’s eating them? Do they now believe that feminist and/or American women as a whole are cannibals?

  5. He’s not talking about economies, he’s talking about ekonomies. Big difference, you know. If he were talking about economies, some people might actually get the misguided idea that he knows anything about the subject matter. How kind of him to make sure we don’t waste our time giving him the benefit of the doubt.

  6. The lulz, it burns us!

    Here’s part of one from oddsock, who has an avatar that reads “male greater than sign female”:

    We call and even make fun of the womans rationalization hamster. What about those that still vote for these con merchants or still declare themselves as a republican or democrat etc etc ?

    What’s the womans rationalization hamster? Can I get one?

    Protip: when a room goes quiet, don’t be the one saying, loudly “All I know is, there’s a little hamster up there who knows exactly what he is doing.” But if you do, at least be sure to say you were referring to your womans rationalization hamster.

  7. I shit you not, I had to read that last bit of the OP twice, due to it being so intensely stupid my eyes refused to focus on it.

  8. thebionicmommy

    Moewicus, I think their hamster thing is their way of saying that a woman can’t think like a man. When she tries to address one of the MRA claims, it’s an exercise in futility like a hamster running on a wheel. Like a lot of their in group jargon, it’s too obscure for most people to get. I just find it ironic that the MRA’s that talk about this “rationalization hamster” don’t make any logical arguments themselves. Their arguments are usually just a bunch of bs and misogyny mixed up in meaningless word salads.

  9. Well, women are just so darned terrible it’s amazing the human race even exists today!

  10. I love that these guys hate women so much that they’ll blame them for anything and everything, regardless of facts. Keep bringing the lulz, guys!

  11. Al Jazeera – The Men Who Crashed the World.

    Spearhead KNOWS that men are primarily responsible for our current economic shitscape, and are scrambling to find some she-goats to scape! Sad and Pathetic, but what else do you expect from spearhead scumsuckers?

  12. Hamster? Puh-lease. I’m controlled by a platypus.

  13. I have a rationalization guinea pig.

    Thus my explanation for everything–from my temerity to have a career to my unreasonable demands to not be assaulted–is VRRRT VRRRT CARROTS? VRRREEERT.

  14. I am just a little mixed up with all the eggs and geese and how they relate to women messing up the economy by working.. You know working to support themselves and thier families. Because if they didn’t they would be money grubbing whores. So now if they do work for living they ruin the economy? I just never get exactly what the MRAs bottom line is. Some want all women to die off, others want us as domestic house and sex slaves… But not called that just that the sexes “compliment” eachother and we have a duty to men.(gak) So what is it? Why can’t they just focus on changing the laws they find unfair and supporting the men they think are abused? Why bring in all this hate and weird controlling ideals… It baffles me.

  15. “femaleist suberversion”

    I LIKE it!

  16. Femaleist Subversion is the name of my hypothetical queercore band’s first album. JSYK.

  17. Jill the Spinster

    I can never tell if it’s going to be a “women should get married, stay at home and have babies” day or a “women are gold diggers and should support themselves financially” day.

  18. It’s both. If women claim that it’s impossible to do both that’s just a sign that they aren’t trying hard enough.

  19. Jill the Spinster

    Hamster is one of the words used by men who don’t like to be shamed as shaming language against females.

  20. Jill – The closest thing to a consistent stance I can figure out is that most MRAs are willing to support women so long as they are obedient housewives. It’s mostly the idea of paying their money and not getting a guarantee of permanent full ownership in return that makes them angry.

  21. Wait, so the wimmenz are supposed to sit at home and take care of the baybeez, but women aren’t supposed to expect a man to support them? Is this where NWO’s women sitting in the street and crying thing comes into play?

  22. It’s times like this I wish I didn’t have the word “Spear” in my chosen Internet nym.

  23. Jill the Spinster

    We know NWO doesn’t like the ladies sitting at home eating Bon bons and one of PAN’s favourite stories/gripes is that his ex wife refused to work

  24. …inb4 DKM starts talking about how sexy hamsters are? XD

  25. “Genderist statism” WTF? If anyone knows what the in the fresh hell this means, please do NOT explain it to me. If knew what it was it would lose the mystery and the hilarity. For some reason when I read that I got the song “Glory Glory, Hallelujah” in my head and I can’t purge.
    @Ozymandias42, Can you re-make that song with your new band?

    I really do wish their rants were set to songs.

  26. Okay, so I sort of get why MRAs spell things funny… Like “Women” is “womyn, wimminz, wymyn” and feminist is sometimes “fymynyst” It has something to do with mockery, specifically, mocking women. I’m not sure how spelling things wrong is mocking to women, except maybe I read somewhere that some radfems/second wavers used “womyn” because of the sexim they saw in the word for woman being a derivative of man? So yea I can kind of see where they’re comming from with that…

    But why the fuck is he spelling “economics” “ekonomics”? Who is he mocking by changing the “c” to the “k”? Where is the subversion here? I really don’t fuckin get it.

  27. Arielle Shander

    Why do some MRAs make up such stupid words?

  28. Arielle Shander: Truly a question for the ages.

  29. His other words are spelled properly*, maybe english is his second language.

    *which raises the possibility that he’s a Poe

  30. I think “ekonomics” is like “Amerika,” in that you’re expressing disapproval by using a K instead of a C, because that’s supposedly a more “Russian” spelling, which means that ekonomics is commie economics.

    I’m not even joking, I think that’s what he’s getting at.

  31. Holly; My mind can’t accept that level of stupid. Truely

  32. But why the fuck is he spelling “economics” “ekonomics”? Who is he mocking by changing the “c” to the “k”? Where is the subversion here? I really don’t fuckin get it.

    It seems like it comes from replacing the c in “America” with a k, making “Amerika” but with a different and negative view of the United States than the former might imply. My impression is that it comes from lefty anarchist types, but of course is not limited to them. The point is reflecting a deeply cynical view of the affected words–Amerika is like totally fascist man, it’s run by ekonomists and rethuglokrats and Bancers. Wikipedia seems to agree with this view.

    Interestingly, there is a website called amerika.org run by a “crunchy conservative.” It defines “Amerika” as “a type of civilization, not a place” and its alternative to Amerika is “Paleoconservatism: traditional values, monarchism, caste and leadership by culture.” Because that worked out so well for Latin America under Spain, amirite?

  33. “ekonomics” sounds like a shitty bookscase from IKEA that comes with an insane pictogram, missing screws, and drives you to drink.

  34. Thanks Meowicus, I’ve learned something new today :)
    (also learned: if there’s more than one possibility for why MRA does something, it’ll be the stupidest/meanest one.)

  35. Oops, sorry for the misspelling Moewicus :(

  36. hellkell, screws loose are definitely part of it.

  37. Wasn’t “male productivity and male entrepreneurship” more thoroughly “cannibalized” back when men were the only ones allowed to be productive and entrepreneurial? Even if women suck compared to men, surely a workforce of men and women working together will use up that precious male energy less quickly than an all-male workforce.

    …Why am I trying to apply logic and two seconds of thought to this?

  38. …Why am I trying to apply logic and two seconds of thought to this?

    Hope springs eternal?

  39. Rambling: check
    Accusations how women ruined the world: check
    Ignoring reality and history: check
    Logic: missing.
    3 out of 4… obviously enough for these guys to think they are saying anything worth listening to.

  40. Ravenous Beast

    Holy hand-held remotes! Ozymandias42 is making an album and ithiliana is buying it. Why with all this producing and consuming we just might have the beginnings of an economy ( Pardon, i mean ekconomy). Please, think of the poor golden egg layers of male productivity, please I implore you.

  41. Jill the Spinster

    One prominent spearheader likes to declare that only males can create employment, then WHAT ARE THE MENZ DOING???

    MEN, you need to create employment!

    Forget Obi-Wan Kenobi, MEN are our only hope!!!

  42. “Wait, so the wimmenz are supposed to sit at home and take care of the baybeez, but women aren’t supposed to expect a man to support them? Is this where NWO’s women sitting in the street and crying thing comes into play?”

    I’m still trying to reconcile the MRA insistance that their teenaged daughters be totally ‘pure’ with their insistance that men of all ages should be allowed to have sex with any teenager girl they chose.

  43. Hey genderist, myn-hating, malefirstborn-eating, nonsexhaving whores. How’s it going? First time commenter here.

    I see the SP have at once titillated and ravished our intellect with their latest release of sophistry. It’s almost as though this is the first economic recession that has ever occurred. And it’s almost as though the banking cartel and fiscal structure isn’t almost entirely engineered and directed by men. Wut? No. It’s the women. It’s always the women. Facts are immaterial.

  44. I know it’s useless to ask (because according to Spearheaders it probably doesn’t exist), but what about women inspired productivity and entrepreneurship? I’m guessing it’s to blame for the current economic crisis, but that’s one of the few part of this rant I can make sense of (as in the string of words actually resembles a sentence), that we’ve apparently cannabilised (how?) any male productivity (sorry, produktivity). Also, way too many k’s.

    Oh, and my rationalization animal is that creepy wolf from Neverending Story…he doesn’t do a very good job.

  45. Ravenous Beast: Our currency is the lulz.

  46. “I know it’s useless to ask (because according to Spearheaders it probably doesn’t exist), but what about women inspired productivity and entrepreneurship?”

    Ok, I’ll bite. What about the women-inspired productivity and entrepreneurship? For every one Oprah you can name off the top of your head, I can give you a Jobs, Gates, Paul Allan, Lucas, Sergei Brin, etc, etc. These men have helped create new technologies and thus, themselves drive forward new ways to create wealth. Plus there’s the hundreds of thousands of genius level men who work under them and make their ideas real.

    Women entrepreneurs, on the other hand, make their buck primarily by selling unnecessary, non-technological consumer goods to people, primarily women. Oprah promotes books and sells modern snake oil and feel-goods, and Martha Stuart pushes pillow casings and $100 fruit baskets and other crap nobody needs. Why don’t you give me an example of a female entrepreneur who has created innovation, and thus real wealth.

    “Spearhead KNOWS that men are primarily responsible for our current economic shitscape, and are scrambling to find some she-goats to scape! Sad and Pathetic, but what else do you expect from spearhead scumsuckers?”

    Get bent. The economic crisis in 2008 wasn’t some 1980’s junk bond market crash created exclusively by male traders. It was and is primarily a housing bubble crisis and a consumer credit bubble crisis. And who’s dreamed of having Barbie’s Toy Mansion ever since they were little girls? The crisis coincided with an explosion of female home ownership and female consumer debt. Corrupt men on Wall Street had their hands in repackaging crap mortgages as AAA bonds. But again, before you blame men for everything, why don’t you visit your local bank branch down the street? Who staffs the branch, and thus, who sold all these subprime mortgages to people? Make sure you also blame the hundreds of thousands of branch level women bankers who lied to people’s faces about their mortgages.

  47. Well, I can’t argue with that, though the whole goose metaphor isn’t working 100% for me, given that I’m pretty sure it’s not the man goose that lays the eggs, but the lady goose. But that’s nitpicking. Poiuyt is on a roll:

    “Germans?”

    “Forget it, he’s rolling.”

  48. I have a rationalization shrimp.

  49. “What’s the womans rationalization hamster? Can I get one?”

    “Moewicus, I think their hamster thing is their way of saying that a woman can’t think like a man. When she tries to address one of the MRA claims, it’s an exercise in futility like a hamster running on a wheel.”

    Whaddya mean “futility”? The Woman’s Rationalization Hamster is the hamster which can generate infinite spin!

    Don’t know if I’d want to mess around with the Rationalization Shrimp, though. That thing looks like it might bring back the Flood.

  50. They just wish their minds ran as fast as a hamster.

  51. Maybe the reference is to egg-onomics?

    Come to think of it, I’ve never seen a goose egg (except on a scoreboard). He might be on to something.

  52. “And who’s dreamed of having Barbie’s Toy Mansion ever since they were little girls?”

    Whose dreams fueled the rise of the exurbs and the supremacy of the SUV? Whose view of the world is more appreciably to be seen in the cheap developments which blanket this country from coast to coast?

    You guys are wasting your breath when you try to make me believe that walls-and-a-roof are paltry things forced by venal females on your unwilling and all-too-mighty spirits. You yourselves have a taste for shoddily built big houses, buyable on easy terms. You’re not stupid enough not to know that the woman who sold you the cheap, big house (in cases in which it was a woman who sold you the big cheap house) wasn’t simply the last person in the pipeline. She was working for somebody who was working for somebody who was working for somebody (and so are you, most of the time).

    If you don’t want to take the matter up with those who possess real decision-making power, don’t blame your neighborhood brokers: look at yourselves, because, though it’s always the seller’s job to sell, a buyer retains the option not to buy.

    “OK, I’ll bite.”

    You sure will.

  53. Ravenous Beast

    Ozymandias42: Long may you “profit”

  54. For every one Oprah you can name off the top of your head, I can give you a Jobs, Gates, Paul Allan, Lucas, Sergei Brin, etc, etc.

    It’s almost as if you live in a society wherein men are privileged and have an easier time rising to the top.

    These men have helped create new technologies and thus, themselves drive forward new ways to create wealth

    But when women do it, it doesn’t count? Jobs and Gates would be nowhere without Hopper, who would herself be nowhere without Lovelace and Babbage.

    Women entrepreneurs, on the other hand, make their buck primarily by selling unnecessary, non-technological consumer goods to people, primarily women

    Citation needed.

    Oprah promotes books

    The horror.

    and sells modern snake oil and feel-goods,

    This is true. And a number of the oil salesfolks? Men. I don’t know what the gender split of alt med is, but there’s a lot of substantial men in it (as well as women, I’m aware).

    and Martha Stuart pushes pillow casings and $100 fruit baskets and other crap nobody needs

    I like how you say this after Steve Jobs. Tell me again how much you need your iPhone and iPad, please.

    Why don’t you give me an example of a female entrepreneur who has created innovation, and thus real wealth.

    This is a completely idiotic view of economics, likely cribbed from Ayn Rand. Economic value isn’t only created by innovation, because new ideas aren’t the only things people need, and it’s certainly not the only thing they want. Industry and service are probably even bigger components.

    Plus there’s the hundreds of thousands of genius level men who work under them

    The percentage of women in STEM is low, but it’s by no means zero, dimwit.

    Get bent. The economic crisis in 2008 wasn’t some 1980′s junk bond market crash created exclusively by male traders. It was and is primarily a housing bubble crisis and a consumer credit bubble crisis.

    Uh, yes it was. There are always poor people who want to buy houses they can’t afford (Protip, it’s not just women). There used to be regulations that forced you to disclose who you were selling to, etc.

    But again, before you blame men for everything, why don’t you visit your local bank branch down the street? Who staffs the branch, and thus, who sold all these subprime mortgages to people? Make sure you also blame the hundreds of thousands of branch level women bankers who lied to people’s faces about their mortgages.

    Are all jobs uniform in the sex of who’s in them, in the parallel universe you inhabit? This is like, the third or fourth time you’ve done this.

    Also, ‘hundreds of thousands of branch level bankers’? 1 in 100, at most? You sure, bro? I guess it’s possible, but it don’t seem likely…

  55. Feminazi Illuminati Bilderberg Conspiracy

    Nice job finding some tiiiny lil’ she-goats to sacrifice, Peter! Just blame the little guys, it still works for the GOP!

    “And who’s dreamed of having Barbie’s Toy Mansion ever since they were little girls?”

    Not me, and not the women I know, but who dreams about fucking Barbie in a Ferrari? Oh right, you guys.

    (Bekabot’s post was awesome)

  56. “Get bent. The economic crisis in 2008 wasn’t some 1980′s junk bond market crash created exclusively by male traders. It was and is primarily a housing bubble crisis and a consumer credit bubble crisis. And who’s dreamed of having Barbie’s Toy Mansion ever since they were little girls? The crisis coincided with an explosion of female home ownership and female consumer debt.”

    And who started the deadly stereotypes of Barbie’s Toy Mansions for girls, again? Granted, Barbies were made a woman who based them off of their family, but the entire line of Barbies is, in fact, based on patriarchial notions.

    But that’s besides the point. The House Bubble came and went. The banks are in trouble and are being protested to boot. Really, it’s funny how you can blame half the world for the economy without even thinking that maybe, just maybe, the way things were run were a little fucked up.

    But what do I know? I’m just a mangina looking for facts, not scapegoats. :)

  57. Barbies were made by a woman*

    I must type slower next time.

  58. …Barbies were made a woman…

    Wasn’t that the plot of Weird Science?

  59. “Wasn’t that the plot of Weird Science?”

    I dunno, I’ve yet to see that. Though, it’s on Netflix now, so…

    *moviebuff away*

  60. It’s not one of John Hughes’ better films.

  61. @Eneya
    “Rambling: check”
    Have you ever actually read the comments here???

    “Accusations how women ruined the world: check”
    This is the standard troupe of women in power, (politicians, MSM darlings, Corporate gals) blaming only men for every problem, everywhere all the time.

    “Ignoring reality and history: check”
    Reality ignoring from the men and women are interchangable group. History from the group that rewrites history as womens oppression.

    “Logic: missing.”
    Here’s women/feminist logic.

    http://www.theduluthmodel.org/training/wheels.html

    Here’s a few exerpts…
    “The Power and Control Wheel represents the lived experience of women who live with a man who beats them. It does not attempt to give a broad understanding of all violence in the home or community but instead offers a more precise explanation of the tactics men use to batter women.”

    Men use tactics to beat women!
    ———————
    “When women use violence in an intimate relationship, the context of that violence tends to differ from men. First, men’s use of violence against women is learned and reinforced through many social, cultural and institutional avenues, while women’s use of violence does not have the same kind of societal support. Secondly, many women who do use violence against their male partners are being battered. Their violence is primarily used to respond to and resist the controlling violence being used against them. On the societal level, women’s violence against men has a trivial effect on men compared to the devastating effect of men’s violence against women.”

    And here I thought men and women were interchangable. It would appear mens violence against women is learned and reinforced on all levels. I still fondly remember my first father son talk with dad, and how he explained the tactics for beating mom. Oh how we laughed! Women on the other hand, are so saintly, they primarily use violence to resist mens evil controlling violence against them. Further, women’s violence against men has a trivial effect as oppossed to the devestating effects of men’s violence against women.
    ———————–
    Battering in same-sex intimate relationships has many of the same characteristics of battering in heterosexual relationships, but happens within the context of the larger societal oppression of same-sex couples. Resources that describe same-sex domestic violence have been developed by specialists in that field such as The Northwest Network of Bi, Trans, Lesbian and Gay Survivors of Abuse, http://www.nwnetwork.org

    Well, well, well. It would appear same-sex violence is also the fault of straight men’s societal oppression. As gomer pyle would say, “shazaam.” And as a source for this completely unbiased report which blames men we’re directed to The Northwest Network of Bi, Trans, Lesbian and Gay Survivors of Abuse as proof.
    ————————
    That link I’ve given isn’t some tiny little source either. That is DAIP. That is some fucking money rolling thru that shit. Now I see why Title IX judge, jury and special police task forces need to read why men are manipulative. Nothing manipulative about womens language in DAIP.
    ———————–
    @Rutee Katreya
    “Citation needed.”

    Why bother asking for citations? I gave you the Governments pdf file clearly stating Title IX has it’s own police force which doesn’t need facts. They have a trained judge and jury. Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men; Exerpts from this book is what the trained jury reads. Men are guilty, innocense must be proven. Accusers can’t be cross-examined. Third party accusers.

    Women, led by feminists have choosen this as the standard for judging men. Why bother with a citation when the response is denial?

  62. Women were some of the first people to brew beer millennia ago.

    A woman first brought the concept of vaccination to Europe.

    A woman grew eBay into the business it is today.

    A woman helped develop bacterial agar, which is still in use today in nearly every facet of medical research.

    A woman wrote the first novel in the world, and another woman wrote what is (arguably) the first science fiction novel.

    A woman was one of those behind-the-scenes geniuses of IBM.

    A woman invented the first treatment for leukemia and the first immuno-suppressive drug, as well as treatments for gout, malaria, and herpes.

    A woman recently invented lenses used to prevent age-related macular degeneration, the major cause of blindness in developed countries.

  63. NWO, are you so frothy tonight that you keep getting your threads mixed up? Not every one of them needs your Title IX rants-n-raves, which would be even more entertaining if you read, much less comprehended, your source materials.

  64. Speaking of spinning wheels: NWO, do you spin some sort of wheel-of-fortune type wheel that tells you which off-topic rant to paste into the comments at any given moment? Because I’m pretty sure we weren’t talking about Title IX.

  65. As far as the financial meltdown.

    10 fed health centers.
    Title IX
    Quota’s
    Guv education agencies just for women.
    Guv employment agencies just for women.
    AA
    welfare
    Just way too many Guv agencies to list that gotta top a trillion a year.

    And that’s just the public sector, the private sector equals that, pretty much with Big Daddy guns as incentive.
    ——————-
    Women’s entrepreneurial endevours seem to be based around hatred of men. I mean if you wanna start a charity, just exclude men. If you wanna start a business, exclude men. Education for women just rings angelic. Help women. Help women. Help women. It’s like a mantra continually pumped over the airwaves, every magazine, The State, every corporation, our schools, billboards, every advert. It’s inescapable.

    When everything everywhere demands help for women while at the same time blames men for all of lifes problems, ya got some pretty strong hatred goin on. Somehow, the solution will be to blame patriarchy, which of course means blame men for men being hated.
    ——————–
    @Shora
    “Okay, so I sort of get why MRAs spell things funny… Like “Women” is “womyn, wimminz, wymyn”

    The term “womyn” was first coined by feminists; their deep hatred of men was such that they refused to have their gender, in any way associated with men.

  66. @David Futrelle
    “Speaking of spinning wheels: NWO, do you spin some sort of wheel-of-fortune type wheel that tells you which off-topic rant to paste into the comments at any given moment? Because I’m pretty sure we weren’t talking about Title IX.”

    In the post above I used Title IX as a costly State agency which has an economic impact. Hows that? Better? And the point is…..What’s the point of providing citations if the citations are denied and/or ignored? By the by, did you read the link I provided, and if so, whaddya think of Big Daddy’s justice?

  67. I love it–the subprime collapse was apparently the result of women suddenly catching up with half a century of socialization by Barbie and buying houses they couldn’t afford because Malibu Dream House (which was introduced when, 1980s at the earliest?). Because it’s not like men also valorize vain purchases like fancy parts on cheap cars and expensive dream houses. And Peter conveniently leaves out the “hundreds of thousands of genius-level [women] working under them.” Apparently it’s okay to appeal to anonymous masses of genius men, but to disconfirm his hypothesis we have to point to a 1:1 Steve Jobs/Oprah ratio.

    BTW, for every Oprah and Jenny McCarthy there is a Chopra and an Andrew Wakefield and a Mike Adams, etcetera, etcetera.

  68. NWO, I want to know if you read the link you provided.

  69. @hellkell
    “NWO, I want to know if you read the link you provided.”

    I have Big Daddys pdf file saved in my documents.

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