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Ladies: He’s Going Galt — and it’s all your fault

Screw you, sister! I'm Going Galt!

Ladies! Better move fast if you want to sink your talons into some hard-working, high-earning beta man-wallet! Men’s Rights Redditor ShinShinGogetsuko is on to you ladies and your devious ways, and he’s taking his video games and going home. By which I mean: he’s GOING GALT!

Men are choosing to reject the culture that is being forced upon them which tells them to be anything but MEN. What they want us to be is slaves, to throw away our souls and toil away while women get to do whatever they want in the name of “female empowerment” and with a court system that will side with them. Equality is the ideal, but it’s not about equality–it’s about control. Men are going Galt.

When society takes a stand against the destruction of men’s character, then men will return to being men. Until then, Xbox 720.

See, I wasn’t kidding about the video games bit.

LINK and SCREENSHOT.

Thanks to tim-buckles on ShitRedditSays for the link (and the screenshot).

 

 

 

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blitzgal
8 years ago

well, at least the 1% are amused….

And that’s the saddest thing of all. The complicity of people who are actually NOT in that 1% and will never BE in that 1%, but who are so deluded into thinking that maybe they might get up there that they are willing to see everyone else around them suffer and get treated like shit.

I literally saw someone in a forums post that all of his friends work on Wall Street, he hopes to work on Wall Street one day, and that he WANTS income disparity to grow even farther, because it will benefit his (unnamed) company.

Now that’s some fucked up shit. When I wrote to him, “Yeah, I got mine, fuck all y’all,” he just wrote, “That’s the way everyone is, even the artists and hippies who are protesting. Just look at Metallica.”

Metallica??? Is that an RIAA reference or something?

Sorry I’m swearing so much. Like Ozy, I’m a bit hopped up right now.

Hershele Ostropoler
8 years ago

Holly:

I know the Occupy Wall Street movement is hopelessly unfocused, lacking in diversity, and doesn’t have super specific demands or goals.

I agree with the people who say “when you say ‘Occupy Wall Street doesn’t have specific demands,’ you’re toeing the corporate line.” The question “what can we promise you that will make you shut up and go away?” doesn’t deserve an answer.

I’m more put off that there doesn’t seem to be any sort victory condition — not “what will it take to make the protestors go away?” but “what will it take to turn the protest into a celebration?” And I’m not getting that from the MSM, I’m getting it from Angus Johnston and Billy Talen.

I think that’s contributing to the sense I’m getting that the people with serious points are getting drowned out by the people who are shouting for the love of shouting, protesting out of simple contrariness, or seeing the whole thing as a tourist attraction rather than a serious effort. Again, I’m not getting my information directly from the MSM, I’m getting it on FB and Twitter and in lefty/progressive blogs.

Kollege Messerschmitt
8 years ago

@ozy
I know! And since the large majority of people have chosen to be born into working/lower class families, it must actually be pretty great, right? I mean, living on welfare sounds pretty sweet – how many middle/upper class people can call themselves queens after all?

Kollege Messerschmitt
8 years ago

I think that’s just good old-fashioned taunting. The 99% can protest all they want — we have no power.

I wonder if they had an underpaid secretary make those signs.

Yeah, and they seem to be enjoy the knowledge that they are pretty much secure to the fullest. Or maybe they just have absolutely no idea (and don’t actually care) what problems people face who aren’t as well off as them – I’m just thinking of Natalie “Recession Is Exciting” Portman here.

darksidecat
8 years ago

The goal of nonviolent direct resistance is to create such a crisis that those in power are forced to negotiate with the oppressed group (this is why everyone should read MLK’s “Why We Can’t Wait”, I think a lot of people today have the wrong idea about what nonviolent direct action does to get its goals met). Who are they negotiating with? The actual literal people working on Wallstreet? The Congress? Going into a negotiation without any idea of demands is not the best of ideas, either.

This is not a proper nonviolent direct action protest in the most part at the moment, it is at the moment more of a rally, really. This current habit of confusing the two is messy and intereferes with effectiveness, in my opinion.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

“Metallica??? Is that an RIAA reference or something?”

It could be, but it makes no sense. Unless he’s calling them hypocrites for suing Napster after they got famous on tape trading, but even then it’s a mighty big reach. Not to mention, it’s kind of an outdated reference.

What we need to see is someone higher up (Blankfein, Dimon, I’m looking at you) at one of these banks go to jail for their extreme fuckery. Because if it were you or I stealing like that that, we’d die in jail. Or hell, let’s give the SEC some teeth to investigate Wall St. and stop being a revolving door on the way to white shoe law firms. Something, anything. Sorry for the derail, but this makes me rage, and I’m one of the “lucky” ones.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

One thing I noticed is that all those who once were in public office on the right leaning side seem to land cushy jobs in the private sector when they leave. It is kind of hard to understand the pain a family goes through when Dad and Mom lose their jobs when they never have to worry about paying their bills.

Same goes for too many members of the media. Like say…Dana Milbank.

Kollege Messerschmitt
8 years ago

I guess if they just watched Rosanne Barr advocate beheading for sufficiently rich people, they might perceive it as a joke. Or the content right below their picture. Guillotines, one big joke, har har.

I know how to make a guillotine out of old pallets and a dumpster lid…

Err… I mean *theoretically*! /whispers, is this ISP secure?

Now, now! Let’s wait until they want us to have cake when we’re out of bread We wouldn’t want anyone to lose their head over this so quickly, after all!

blitzgal
8 years ago

What we need to see is someone higher up (Blankfein, Dimon, I’m looking at you) at one of these banks go to jail for their extreme fuckery. Because if it were you or I stealing like that that, we’d die in jail.

Exactly! We keep finding out more and more evidence that there was some serious fraud going on, they bring us to the brink of a global financial meltdown, and now three years later it’s all business as usual again, like nothing happened!!

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

it’s all business as usual again, like nothing happened

It’ll probably happen again, since nothing’s being regulated like it should be.

cynickal
cynickal
8 years ago

I’m more put off that there doesn’t seem to be any sort victory condition

So, what was the victory condition for the French Revolution?

Honestly, in my opinion, America is spoiled in the fact that the revolution had a tidy little manifesto and the civil war was neatly split between the industrial north and agrarian south.

What were the Victory Condition in the Spanish/American war? Why are we still paying $3/month to finance it? (Hint: look at your phone bill).
How about the Korean War? Vietnam? What were the protestors against the Vietnam war really protesting? The war? Fear of the draft? The price of a war in Asia?

You want a grand statement? How about “We’re still f*cking unemployed!”
Were people demanding Victory Conditions for those living in Hoover-vills? How about the Ludlow coal mine strike?

For crying out loud, why are people who fight for equality nit-picking that UR protesting RONG!?

I realize I don’t often have a point and just snark here, but really people…FOLLOW THE LINK *PLEASE*!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/01/1021956/-First-official-statement-from-Occupy-Wall-Street

cynickal
cynickal
8 years ago

Bah! I’m rambling.

I’m going to kick a libertarian to make myself feel better.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

We had cake here at work today. Uh oh…wait, I bought the cake…hmmm…

Wisteria
Wisteria
8 years ago

They only call it class warfare when we fight back.

The rich and powerful declared war on the middle and working classes years ago.

blitzgal
8 years ago

I’m going to kick a libertarian to make myself feel better.

Ha! I just got into a fight with a Paulbot today! Did you know it’s totally not hypocritical for a libertarian to be pro-life?

Arielle Shander
8 years ago

They find a small handful of things to be pissed off about and equate it to “slavery.” MRAs/MGTOWs are such drama kings. Also, I could kick their collective asses in Super Smash Bros. Bring it on!

Joanna
8 years ago

See you guys on XBL ;D

KathleenB
KathleenB
8 years ago

MRAL: Riiight. Because there are jobs out there that pay a living wage and provide decent benefits just sitting out there, and those of us who are unemployed are just too fucking lazy to get them. Sure. Also, we could all get a free education and a unicorn the farts glitter and rainbows! But again, too fucking lazy.

Have you SEEN the unemployment rate?

Moewicus
Moewicus
8 years ago

We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one’s happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt. Txt me ur gamertag and we’ll get all the achievements in AC:Brotherhood lol.

Shaenon
8 years ago

Metallica??? Is that an RIAA reference or something?

It’s a reference to Metallica suing Napster back when Napster still existed. More specifically, “South Park” did an episode making fun of Metallica for this, so, thanks to the nuanced analysis of Messrs. Parker and Stone, in the mind of your Internet friend “Metallica” means “spoiled rich people who complain about stuff.”

Man, rich libertarian assholes piss me off. I was having much more fun chuckling at some dork with a Japanese screen name trying to explain how it’s women’s fault he spends 17 hours a day on Halo. If only the Wall Street creeps could be so harmlessly amusing.

Shaenon
8 years ago

If you’re the next Thomas Pynchon, you’ll never resurface!

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

I just got back from Occupy Boston and I want to reverse what I said about them not having clear demands.

What they have is way more important: they have a clear conversation. It was as much a protest as a forum–there was less “we’re in bad shape, and this is the remedy we want” and more “we’re in bad shape, and let’s talk about remedies.”

And at the same time there was also one very clear message–99% of the people in this country are eating the crumbs of the other 1%, and fuck that shit.

So yeah. I take back what I said about it being nebulous. It’s actually a very intelligently structured–or at least deliberately and carefully unstructured–movement.

Still could use a lot more people who aren’t middle-class white males in their twenties, though. Part of that is inevitable because privileged kids are the ones who can afford to take the time and the risks, but a lot of it really is a failure on the part of the movement.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

MRAL: FUCK YOU. You know who’s really fucked in all this, MRAL? Your generation. The unemployment numbers for teens/early 20’s are not pleasant.

Wait until mom’s not supporting you (or god forbid she loses her job), and you have to go out there with nothing but lifeguarding on your resume and a shit attitude. Maybe then you’ll gain some empathy, because son, life is going to kick you in the nards.

Wake the fuck up.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

@Holly, that’s great you went. Tomorrow is Occupy Ausin, and I might be able to go.

And another thing, MRAL, do you have student loans? Because one thing you’ll be dong for a large chunk of time is paying those off. Hope you get a great gig. BU’s not cheap, and one of the major points brought up in We Are 99% is that student loan debt is really crippling a lot of graduates who can’t get decent enough jobs to pay it off.

Getting an education shouldn’t hamstring the rest of your life.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

Also, we could all get a free education and a unicorn the farts glitter and rainbows! But again, too fucking lazy.

Well, the unicorn thing is ’cause the unemployed are all too slutty, but yes the rest is accurate. ;p

(I’m thankful every damn day to be in grad school right now. Unless I epically fuck up — or my meds stop working — I’m set for the next few years.This is a rare and privileged situation, of course, and I don’t forget that for a second.)

Holly Pervocracy
8 years ago

Maybe those 99 percent fucks should stop bitching on the Internet. That’s time better spent building skills or looking for a job. No sympathy.
Most of them are looking for jobs. That’s why they’re so angry.

Some of them already have jobs, and they’re still broke. They’re even angrier.

The “everyone who’s motivated enough can work 40 hours a week, and everyone who works 40 hours can have a decent standard of living” deal is just not on any more, and that’s what this is about.

darksidecat
8 years ago

of the major points brought up in We Are 99% is that student loan debt is really crippling a lot of graduates who can’t get decent enough jobs to pay it off

See, that is generally a privileged bunch of people already, relatively speaking. About a third of my classmates from the sixth grade didn’t even make it to a diploma. Centralizing the needs of an additional 5% of the upperclass is no solution.

Maybe I am just feeling jaded in part because I am writing a paper about transgender access to shelters and the law and have been reading low income queer groups call for a right to shelter, medical care, physical safety, etc., or maybe it is because I grew up poor and know what a privilege being able to attend college is in this country (and for most people in the world), but I am somewhat wary about whether or not the “99%” is truly meant to include me and mine.

I mean, I am hopeful that they will move forward well, and build something good, and this is not a general condemnation, but I just can’t quite make myself feel all “rah rah” enthused at this point.

Anna Besmann
Anna Besmann
8 years ago

I find it ironic that Bioshock’s gotten involved, since the second game starts out as an MRA’s wet dream. You’re a large, powerful man fighting for his daughter against a cruel, demented, power-hungry woman who controls the city and has taken your child away.

On the other hand, everything you do is orchestrated by your now-teenage daughter and towards the end she opens a violent box of whoop-ass on the entire fucking room. So they might still object.

(I maintain that Bioshock 2 would have been much cooler if you were playing as a prototype Big Mommy.)

Lyn
Lyn
8 years ago

@darksidecat – what I found powerful about the message (which is a lot about college-educated people, as you say) is that even when you do everything *right*, go to college and then work hard, you won’t even necessarily have a roof over your head or food to eat. My head goes ‘then the system is messed up, because clearly no-one can get ahead and this is wrong’.

It seems to me that the idea that if you work hard you can look after your needs is a really important myth to liberal democracies, given their emphasis on individualism and whatnot. And it does need to be challenged such that people recognise that homeless and/or unemployed people are not subhuman lazy beasts, but probably just unlucky. I’m not trying to say that no-one has agency, but I think that most of us make unwise decisions at some point, and whether or not that messes up your life has a lot to do with luck.

My reservations about it are that this might not actually challenge the demonisation of the poor and unemployed, that it’s more about saying EVEN white college educated people (who, it’s implied, SHOULD have job security and health insurance) don’t have it and that this is wrong. Those are the limits of my enthusiasm 🙁

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

While people in college/graduated from college are privileged, I don’t think it’s a super tiny percentage of the population. This page is kinda out of date, but by 2004 ~28% of people over age 25 had BA’s or higher: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d04/tables/dt04_011.asp

So obviously recent/current college kids would be a smaller number than that, but that age group also is facing really high unemployment. Going to college is a privilege but it’s also a mechanism for social mobility, and one that requires a pretty huge financial investment, and I’d hate to totally discount the needs of people with a lot of school debt.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

(To be clear, I think that recent college grads still have better employment chances than their no-post-secondary-or-less peers. I was comparing that age bracket to older folks.)

katz
8 years ago

what I found powerful about the message (which is a lot about college-educated people, as you say) is that even when you do everything *right*, go to college and then work hard, you won’t even necessarily have a roof over your head or food to eat. My head goes ‘then the system is messed up, because clearly no-one can get ahead and this is wrong’.

This. While I do appreciate that the less educated have it the worst of all and that low education/low income is a vicious cycle, I think the largest problem is that there is no breaking out, even with an education. There’s no way into the 1% except to already be in the 1%.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

There’s no way into the 1% except to already be in the 1%.

And the whole bootstrap mentality certain people have is the biggest pantload ever. You’re either born with access or luck. Hard work seems to have very little to do with who gets ahead these days.

I’m not saying it can’t happen, just that chances are slim.

Hershele Ostropoler
8 years ago

cynickal:

I realize I don’t often have a point and just snark here, but really people…FOLLOW THE LINK *PLEASE*!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/01/1021956/-First-official-statement-from-Occupy-Wall-Street

Hm. So Rev Billy is misrepresenting it (not sarcasm).

I wish there were something I could do other than just joining, since I have responsibilities I can’t walk away from even temporarily (also not sarcasm). Like, if I could flack or something. I’d go down to Zucotti Park tomorrow morning and offer, if I thought I’d be able to interact with someone who could take me up on it.

That said, I think my third para still holds: there are almost certainly tourists and random malcontents who have no relevant strong opinions down there.

That said, I don’t plan to read We Are the 99% for the same reason I don’t plan to watch Schindler’s List

Also, from a different comment: MRAL goes/went to BU? That explains a lot.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

BU or BC, now that I think of it, can’t remember exactly.

Shaenon
8 years ago

Wait until mom’s not supporting you (or god forbid she loses her job), and you have to go out there with nothing but lifeguarding on your resume and a shit attitude. Maybe then you’ll gain some empathy, because son, life is going to kick you in the nards.

Oh no no no. When he has trouble making ends meet, it will be proof that he, and he alone, is unfairly oppressed. Every day he sits in his mom’s house playing video games, waiting for a job, will be one more day he was discriminated against by the Greek system and the feminist conspiracy for being half an inch shorter than average (evening height). Nothing will ever be his fault.

Misfortunes that befall other people, however, will be entirely their fault.

Given enough time, he may start incorporating other perceived foes into the great conspiracy against MRAL, and by the time he’s in his fifties he’ll be telling people he’s unhappily single and in a dead-end job because of the combined power of the feminists, the Jews, the United Nations, the CIA, and the DMV. Then, at least, he will provide some entertainment value.

Or he could stop being an asshole to people. But that’s kind of hard (SPOILERS: it is not actually hard) and I’m increasingly doubtful he’ll give it a try.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Once again I’m completely baffled as to why guys like this think that women, or indeed most men, are going to care if they do go Galt. Have at it, dude – what do I care if you want to sulk in your room and play games all day? As long as I don’t have to pay your rent it’s no skin off my nose.

Nova
Nova
8 years ago

@Lyn: It’s not even a screw up that can leave people destroyed. One hit and run car accident, one heart attack, one layoff and an entire family can be on the street. And things have gotten so bad out there that the organizations that used to be able to help people are out of time and money. It’s extremely hard to even find space in a homeless shelter, in my neck of the woods.

But, what can the average family, that’s had a bad turn of luck, really do about it? Corporations don’t care and they’re the ones that own your lease/ mortgage, car loan, credit card account, etc. In the current economic system, they have no reason to care about the individual, because the stockholders are so much more important. Your mortgage company doesn’t care why you can’t pay your mortgage. Your insirance company doesn’t really care if they make you whole, after a claim is filed. These companies are thriving, because they extract as much money as possible and give the least amount of product or service that they can get away with. The moment you stop giving them money, they’ll either drop you for someone who can, or use the methods at their disposal (and they have MANY) to forcefully take it from you.

At this point, more than ever, the individual is nothing more than a support system for large corporations and the people who control them. If a person unable or unwilling to contribute to the health of the almighty corporation, they are worthless. The problems that this country faces are much bigger than men against women, whites against blacks. Those are merely designed to distract people, so they don’t see the marionette strings that are binding them. Corporate America is in charge and they have no problem sticking it to one or all of those 99%, if it suits them.

I’m extremely fortunate in two ways. The first being that I own my business, so I have a lot more flexibility, as I have multiple clients and some avenues to come up with money pretty quickly. If that fails, I can go back home and ride out the storm. And I’m starting to think that I’m going to be making that trip, one of these days. Things are so deregulated and so corporate oriented that it’s looking like it’s a matter of when, rather than if.

katz
8 years ago

What’s he up to, David?

NWOslave
NWOslave
8 years ago

@blitzgal
“But, power to the people! Back in February when we were protesting Walker’s union-busting bill, people from all over the world ordered Ian’s Pizza to feed us.”

What you’ve actually done by protesting for State run unions is handed more power to the State. 22 million State workers producing debt. How can debt, taken from the population produce wealth?
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@Holly Pervocracy
“I know the Occupy Wall Street movement is hopelessly unfocused, lacking in diversity, and doesn’t have super specific demands or goals.”

What does diversity have to do with prosperity? After decades of diversity training in your public education system are we better off? Wealthier? Happier? More secure? Make no mistake, the gang at the top of the pyramid is unified. They love promoting diversity.
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@Amused
“I think the demands and goals of OWS are fairly easy to formulate, even if they are only instinctive to most people:”

What you need to understand is, for the past 40 or 50 years everyone has cried out for laws and regulations as you’ve suggested. If these laws work as you believe they would how has the gap between the rich and poor increased with every new law? Until we return to the original financing of the State we are all slaves to a false monetary system.

#1) Abolish the Federal Reserve.
#2) The federal Government is financed exclusively by capital gains tax and import excise tax.
#3) The State prints only as much money needed for the transportation of goods.

This is how the system was originally set up. There was no inflation, unemployment. Every crash and all inflation, any economic hardship is cause willfully and with full knowlege by the international bankers.

Everyone should watch this video and learn how your financial system works and who is really running the show.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#
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@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
“One thing I noticed is that all those who once were in public office on the right leaning side seem to land cushy jobs in the private sector when they leave.”

There is no right and left at the top. They work in unison to steal your wealth. Fearmongering on both sides. Imposing laws. Stealing freedom. They can only promise what they can borrow at interest and bill to the public.
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@blitzgal
“Exactly! We keep finding out more and more evidence that there was some serious fraud going on, they bring us to the brink of a global financial meltdown, and now three years later it’s all business as usual again, like nothing happened!!”

That fraud is a nothing, a drop in the bucket. Will they throw a few token embezzelers to appease you? They are nobodys.
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@hellkell
” It’ll probably happen again, since nothing’s being regulated like it should be.”

Have the regulations helped so far? The regulations increase the wealth of the ultra-wealthy at everyones expense. Ask for more regulations and I’m sure Burnanke and Geithner will be extatic, and rush to comply with more regulations.
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@KathleenB
“Have you SEEN the unemployment rate?”

Right here in real time
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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@Holly Pervocracy
“Still could use a lot more people who aren’t middle-class white males in their twenties, though.”

Racist and sexist remark. The same people who promote feminism and the justification of your casual, accepted racist, misandric remarks are your true enemy. Do you really think white men will care after your flippant remarks? Since the State caters to womens every demand, the balls in your court.

Amused
Amused
8 years ago

MRAL, honey: It’s easy to be so tough when you are a college sophomore. No wonder Ayn Rand is especially popular among people under 25. Or are you a junior? Doesn’t matter — college students lead a fairly sheltered existence, and the campus provides a warm, cozy cocoon; and because you are not in your final year, you aren’t yet feeling the dread, but trust me, it is coming. You are where, Boston U? The college I went to is one of the highest rated by … well, any rating system you can find. You would think that graduating from a school like that, one would be all set. But no: in the first couple of years after graduation, I discovered that for most of my former classmates, the only jobs they could find were as secretaries or administrative assistants, for $10 an hour with no benefits.* That, or tending bar. Just for the record, they weren’t all Comparative Literature majors; there were economists, journalists and poli-sci graduates in there too. And this was when the economy was much better than now. So before you go bask in your own superiority, perhaps you should ask yourself what YOU are going to do when you grow up.

(*This, of course, creates a vicious trend: the more insanely overqualified people take jobs answering phones and making copies, the more demanding employers become. They come to expect that anyone who wants to work for them as a secretary must speak several languages and have a university degree. And this further displaces highly skilled people who don’t quite meet those qualifications.)

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

How is it that individual people can have liberty and freedom when there are so many people ready to deny that freedom by discriminating against someone for race/sex/religion/sexual orientation/class and with no government to make that discrimination illegal?

Libertarianism is unrealistic, selfish and just plain dumb. And I love the irony of all these MRA misogynists who worship Ayn Rand even though she’s a woman. I suppose teh wimminz can only be smart and write books only if they completely agree with these idiots opinions and ideas. I actually own The Fountainhead. Bought it from a used bookstore cuz I was curious what all the fuss was about Rand. But the more I learned about objectivism and libertarianism (especially with encounters with self professed online libertarians) the more I just want to trash the book. I might still read it since I believe in listening to opposing viewpoints (eg I agree with some of the MRMs claims on the sexism males face, the majority are assholes though) but the garbage I hear from online libertarians and Randroids turns me off to it completely. Its especially hypocritical to hear all these libertarian dudes cry for their freedom until it involves women. Suddenly women belong in the home and abortion is murder and family values blah blah blah. I suppose freedom is only allowed for the men then? idiots.

Unless selfishness and greed is fought against (like Occupy Wall Street is so diligently doing) and society makes equity a forefront important goal, then things will only get worse.

And like everyone else already said, fucking go Galt/your own way already. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

Lyn
Lyn
8 years ago

@Nova – you’re totally right, I didn’t mean to imply that it’s just bad decision-making! I agree so much of it is up to luck – and getting in a car accident, getting sick is just stuff that happens that you have relatively little control over.

I was trying to say that the underlying idea behind the ‘I was responsible with my money and am fine’, ‘personal responsibility is all!’ logic is that people who don’t make great decisions somehow deserve to go without food or housing. Really? I mean, I get that I’m a bit left of center and everything, but I just don’t think people should be penalized for investing in a bad company with starvation, just as I don’t think people who are in an accident deserve to freeze or live in their cars. I don’t think that anyone in the world should be without decent food and shelter and health care. No ifs, buts or maybes. Idealist, perhaps, but it’s a morally sound position!

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

So before you go bask in your own superiority, perhaps you should ask yourself what YOU are going to do when you grow up.

He’s gonna run out his parents’ health insurance all the way up to the age limit, then… I dunno. As a snotty naive little baby graduate without basic social skills I’m not sure he’ll get one of the few jobs out there. And I suspect he wouldn’t be able to marry up or stay-at-home dad it either, ’cause he’s no good with women to boot.

katz
8 years ago

Quackers, members of Teh Wimminz are occasionally admitted into the boys’ club if they renounce all their womanliness and admit that boys rule and girls drool.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

@ Quackers – If you do attempt to read the Rand book, make sure you have a full pot of coffee before sitting down with it, because it’s boring enough to put you right to sleep. A former friend had that book on his coffee table, so I read bits of it on multiple occasions. The prose is so leaden that it makes Last of the Mohicans seem light and airy. Rand was quite the pedant.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

katz- yep I noticed this with some female MRA/PUA bloggers. If they agree that women are inferior and agree with everything the MRA/PUAs say they’ll take them in, or at least converse with them without throwing the usual ad hominem attacks. One must have incredibly low self esteem and identity issues to label themselves and their entire sex as inferior.

CassandraSays- will do. Not sure how long I’ll last though, I need to be thoroughly immersed in a book to finish it, or else I’ll just end up doing something else.

katz
8 years ago

Lyn, I definitely agree. Obviously totally innocent people shouldn’t get punished by the system, but I think that even if people do things that are clearly wrongheaded, there’s a limit to how much they should be punished for that. I would rather have a system that helps them, especially since their being productive members of society helps everyone else, too.