Cosmetics: An evil plot to fool the men of the world into thinking that ladies are pretty
Evil female deceiver at work
Ladies! You may think you’ve got the men of the world fooled, but the guys over on MGTOWforums.com can see right through you! As dontmarry puts it:
Everything that a woman does is deceitful. From makeup, push-up bras and high heels, to fibbing about her dick count or proclamations of ‘I don’t mind marrying a poor man’ (oh yes you do).
That’s right, ladies! We know those eyelashes aren’t real! We know your cheeks aren’t really that rosy! And your lips aren’t really that red! And your boobies aren’t really … um, what was I saying? I got distracted thinking about boobies. Anyway, you’re all a bunch of liars! I bet some of you even wear Spanx, which are a tool of Satan.
Also, that thing he said about the dick count. Stop the lies! We demand dick count accuracy!
Posted on September 21, 2011, in $MONEY$, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, oppressed men. Bookmark the permalink. 572 Comments.
*gets Sharculese a sewing machine* There ya go!
@pfkliz: i wish. i have obsessive compulsive disorder, and sewing is one of those things where no matter how well i do it, my brain is telling me its not right and i need to try again, so i gave up on learning to sew.
I just had a conversation about this the other day with a friend (she was worried about wearing Spanx or whatever b/c some male comedian had called it deceitful on some show she was watching). Why aren’t we talking about men’s clothing being deceptive? I mean, the standard Western fare for guys is really, really, really flattering. I mean, T-shirts and pants are generally really good for hiding how skinny some guys are. And SUITS basically make all guys look good – they give the wearer the illusion of having big shoulders and a broad chest. It just happens to be easier for men’s clothing to give the illusion of bigger size than for women’s clothing to give the illusion of slenderness (this is, of course, generally speaking). I’m always surprised how different a guy’s body looks clothed and unclothed, because male clothing is so concealing (but I’m also not going to call the entire male gender lying traitors because of fashion).
They have computer controlled ones now!
And if you would be so kind, my preferred diminutive of my name is Beth. :)
I’ve never understood this – women don’t always wear blue eyeshadow for men to look at, they wear it because they like to. I mean, the whole “deceitful” argument takes away the agency of a woman to wear makeup or tan or get breast implants because she wants to do it for herself – no, it must be for men. Not that there isn’t a cultural component that compels her to – these things are very much the “women must be on display” pressure that’s prevalent, even if it’s the anti-makeup argument.
I mean, I know penises are nifty and all, but they don’t get to decide what I’m wearing and how I’m wearing it. Only I get to decide that.
This makeup thing also reminds me of the standard some men have that women should never diet, but they should be super skinny. Some of the very men that make fun of plus size women also make fun of women who watch what they eat. It puts pressure on thin women that diet to lie and say they have fast metabolisms and then never eat in front of other people so they won’t know they drink Slim Fast for lunch everyday. Now some women have very fast metabolisms and can eat donuts and Big Macs all day and never gain an ounce, but it’s not realistic to expect every women to be like that.
So let me remember these rules for women:
1. Never wear makeup, but always be pretty.
2. Do not style your hair (that’s high maintenance) but always have a perfect hairstyle.
3. Do not wear dresses and heels because that is deceitful. Do not wear pants and sneakers because they’re masculine.
4. Do not use anti aging products because you’re basically lying about your age. Never look like you’re older than 35 years old.
5. Eat like a harvester but never weigh over 120 pounds.
From the age of around 16-18 I was really in to wearing make-up, and rarely left the house without full face (foundation, blush, powder, eyes, lips). Then I got bored with it and stopped. I rarely wear makeup in daily life anymore, only if I’m feeling a bit low and want to make myself be more alert (because you have to worry about smearing it or it rubbing off on stuff).
That was the same period of my life when I perpetually wore high heels, because I was self-conscious about being really short. I’m like Sharculese, I have to alter everything because I’ve been this height since I was twelve. And I wasn’t a tall twelve. But I do sew, so it’s a lot less expensive. :)
Anyway, I wasn’t doing this because I was out to “deceive” men – I had the same boyfriend the whole time, and he knew exactly how tall I was and what I looked like without makeup (and he secretly wore makeup himself…long story) – the makeup was mostly me playing around and the heels were me shaking my fist at the Height Gods. But it’s all about the dudes, ain’t it, Piggy?
How is 5’2 short? Fucking ridiculous
All of the bitches need to understand one simple rule: If you keep yourself unfat and if your face is not absolutely hideous, you’re golden. There is no pressure. Remember, 3s fuck male 8s and 5s fuck male 10s. Women’s social mobility is astounding. I really have no idea, given all this privilege, why so many of them are so God Damn Insecure with the makeup and shit.
So many interesting points made here, mostly in response to poor Piggy – how sad is it that he thinks just about every socially considerate or aesthetically attractive thing people do is a nefarious ruse intended to fool other people into, I dunno what, thinking they’re likeable?
Two comments I just have to respond to, ’cause I can’t not:
Paniorpa @ 2:26 pm, everyone here thinks you’re creepy, and they’re right. But you’re also pitiful (that’s pitoyable, and it means exactly the same thing in English as it does in French). How sad! you admit you have to “dupe” women into having sex with you; and you reveal your miserable self-hatred when you describe women having sex with you as ‘spreading their legs open and contribut[ing] to their skyrocketing dick count’.
So, if a woman has sex with you, she (1) did not like you, choose you or want you, but had to be fooled into fucking you; (2) got no pleasure at all out of the experience; on the contrary, she was tainted by it – all she got out of fucking you was another number on her Cock Carousel list, which degrades her. Goddamn, that’s sad. It really must suck to be you.
Holly @ 2:39 pm, I think it’s kinda weird that Piggy never responded to this very interesting point. Where’s the “deception” in a boob job? I mean, once you get your B-cups augmented to D-cups, your new boobs are the only boobs you have, and they’re as real as real can be. You get in the shower, you’re washing your D-cup boobs. You buy a new shirt, it has to fit your D-cup boobs, and you have to give away all your old shirts that don’t. You go in for your yearly mammogram, your radiologist has to deal with your implants, because your old B-cup boobs don’t exist any more. So, once the boob job is a done deal, how can anybody be deceived?
Well obviously, into thinking that you had adequately boobtacular boobs to begin with. If you were an honest woman, you would be comporting yourself with the requisite shame. And anyway, what about the menz? You can’t expect them to be able to judge a woman’s integrity when presented with artificially bodacious ta-tas; after all, they’re helpless to control their boob-based urges, don’t you know.
@Eneya
“I can’t pinpoint exactly but I am getting a familiar vibe, as if there is a word for irrational hating of someone on the basis of his/her existence because of their gender…
If only I could remember the word and the movement who is actively trying to change that.
Can anyone help me?”
Hey everybody I’m back!
The word you’re groping for is misandry. We’re so saturated in it you accept it as a normal part of life. It’s on every MSM sitcom, drama, talk shows, cartoons, magazines, newspapers, our classrooms, the government, every charity, it’s everywhere. And the movement you looking for that’s striving for equality before the law is the MRM.
If anyone here can show me a MSM talk show where a woman gets her genitals sliced off, tossed in the garbage disposal, and all 5 hosts along with the audience yuk it up big time. I’ll be the first one to say we’ve got a real problem with indoctrinated misogyny. Any takers on finding me that MSM talk show? That’s how ya know misandry reigns supreme. But wait, I’m sure this is a by-product of the evil patriarchy. Ohhh feminism, save me!
NWO still refuses to do what he said he would.
That’s the honorable behavior of the NWOslave.
*orbits around NWO* :D
We’re so saturated in it you accept it as a normal part of life. It’s on every MSM sitcom, drama, talk shows, cartoons, magazines, newspapers, our classrooms, the government, every charity,
Oh? :D Well we’ve alrdy heard you talk about sitcoms and talk shows (well ONE single episode of a talk show xD )….how about cartoons… newspapers..classrooms? drama? :D
I bet Escher Girls is misandric too right? :D
@Pecunium
“NWO still refuses to do what he said he would.”
If you’re talking about answering the question of womens-wear, that was contingent on Holly answering. She instead deffered to Big Daddy. She handed over her freedom and independence to Big Daddy’s safety net.
I’ll give the same non-answer she gave. Whatever Big Daddy says is appropriate in schools and buildings as well a food joints. And whatever a man says is acceptable is appropriate.
There that’s the meat of what she gave me, I’ll give it right back.
And seriously, you talking about honor. Your honor consists of defending women. End of story. It doesn’t matter what they do, how they act, what they say. You may have been taught that’s what honor is, but defending women, reguardless of their actions is quite dishonorable.
So basically… I’m rubber, you’re glue? xD
Your honor consists of defending women. End of story. It doesn’t matter what they do, how they act, what they say.
Oh? o:
What horrible actions of women has Pecunium defended that you believe he should not have? :]
Talking of honour, NWO, did you watch the Mayweather/Ortiz fight on the weekend? :D
NWOslave, I once wore a below-the-knee, sleeveless dress because it was hot out on the way to meet my BF. Is that worthy of punishment?
I once wore a full covering sweater w/ “Don’t Touch” on the chest.. is that worthy of punishment? o:
(this is fun! :D )
I once wore a little plaid blue skirt with a white top and my hair up in pigtails and got mistaken as a 15 year old XD And the cashier thought I was married to myself cuz of the ID/credit card stuff and like some sort of Chinese child brideXD
Is that worthy of punishment? o:
MRAL, I officially got tired of trying to be nice to you or help you with your social woes when I realized that you have only one goal here: to call women “bitch,” because you’re too cowardly to say it to a woman’s face in real life.
I remember when you first showed up here it was “bitch” this and “bitch” that, until David threatened you with moderation. Then you started creating sock puppets for yourself, apparently for the sole purpose of saying “bitch.” And there’s the whole thing where you make up new insults and explain to us that they mean the exact same thing as “bitch,” but you’re technically not saying “bitch” so David can’t ban you, neener neener neener.
So this is where we’re at: you call us bitches, your sock puppets call us bitches, you call us names you made up as synonyms for “bitch.” Why? What is the point? Can’t you just sit in your dorm room and shout BITCHES BITCHES BITCHES until you get it out of your system?
thebionicmommy, there’s a name for that phenomenon: effortless perfection. I read an excellent article about it maybe eight months ago and I’m having a tough time finding it again. I’ll post a link if I dig it up.
I wear a bunny hat a lot AND a cat hat sometimes too! :D Is that worthy of punishment? o:
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | September 21, 2011 at 8:33 pm
All of the bitches need to understand one simple rule: If you keep yourself unfat and if your face is not absolutely hideous, you’re golden. There is no pressure. Remember, 3s fuck male 8s and 5s fuck male 10s. Women’s social mobility is astounding. I really have no idea, given all this privilege, why so many of them are so God Damn Insecure with the makeup and shit.
What is “unfat”? o_O
Women’s social mobility is astounding.
Oh? o: Explain :3
“All of the bitches need to understand one simple rule: If you keep yourself unfat and if your face is not absolutely hideous, you’re golden.”
Actually, MRAL, I’m fat AND I’ve fucked 10s. I also know fat and/or short men who have fucked 10s.
Either you’re even more screwed than before, or your system isn’t nearly as accurate as you think it is.
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | September 21, 2011 at 8:31 pm
How is 5’2 short? Fucking ridiculous
Okay, MRAL, what’s short? xD
Did MRAL stop therapy or something? o_O
Either you’re even more screwed than before, or your system isn’t nearly as accurate as you think it is.
Can’t it be both? >_> I think it’s both.
*peers at NWO*
We should make a list of things NWO thinks warrants a person to be punished if you do or wear them xD
MRAL, these numbers you make up are arbitrary. One person’s 2 in another’s 10.
Just so I understand your metric, what is Christina Hendricks on your scale?
She’s my celebrity crush; a definite 10, if I were to assign numbers (which I usually don’t, because it’s arbitrary and pointless). I recall you saying her breasts were too big. I disagree. Strongly.
What about Kristen Schaal? I think she’s funny, cute and whip-smart. She’s definitely up there for me. Something tells me you wouldn’t agree with my assessment.
Doesn’t the fact that we two men disagree invalidate the whole ranking system?
Actually, MRAL, here’s something you might be interested in looking at:
THE MUSEUM OF FAT LOVE
Sometimes, the woman is fatter. Sometimes, the man is. Sometimes (gasp!) they’re BOTH fat! And yet, somehow, they’re in happy relationships!
Are you questioning MRAL as not being the centre of the universe, Spear? xD
@Molly those aren’t humans >_> Stop trying to trick MRAL.
Another of NWO’s lies:
he’s not really back
XDDDDD
All of the bitches need to understand one simple rule: If you keep yourself unfat and if your face is not absolutely hideous, you’re golden.
You don’t even believe this yourself. There was a previous thread where you complained that unattractive female singers don’t get insulted for their looks nearly as much as you’d like. Your list of “ugly” singers consisted of Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse, and… I forget who the third one was, but I bet she wasn’t fat or hideous-faced either.
ozy:
Thank you. If only I’d posted the quote, or linked to the relevant Wikipedia page.
this thread suddenly reminded me of marine research’s ‘glamour gap,’ which i cant find a video for on youtube so…
I’ve never been one of those girls
With perfect legs and head of curls
And 90 minutes every day
Spent making themselves that way
Dicks…in the low 100+
Vaginas…low 40’s
That’s not counting any professional services I may or may not have provided.
magdelyn, are you trying to bait NWO too? He tends to go into meltdowns when you talk about specific numbers of partners. :D
I once wore football gear and feathers. What punishment do I deserve?
I also work make up like The Crow. Now I have to hide my face in shame. :(
cynickal, it’s only a problem if you didn’t also wear leather pants.
I have only had one partner, in my whole life. We are very compatible, so I am content. I lucked out a great deal.
I am not cut out for high numbers of any kind.
For those with more partners, I admire your energy!
Wait, am I in a dick-measuring contest with MRAL over who’s shorter?
5’2″ is pretty short even for a woman, dude. You know how there are whole sections in women’s clothing stores called “petites” (i.e., clothes for short women)? Those pants are still too long for me. But I learned how to sew, so now I hem them up myself, and I got used to using step stools to reach the top shelves of things, and I got over it.
I know you feel like your (perfectly normal) height is a major handicap in the world, but think about it this way: you don’t have to ask a stranger at the grocery store to get something off a high shelf for you.
Always look on the bright side, kid!
“How is 5’2 short? Fucking ridiculous”
MRAL, what is with you this evening? You say you’re *5’8* and call *yourself* short! It’s like you’re claiming 5’2 is TALLER than 5’8!
hey MRAL I just realized you are taller than me!
Trust me 5’8 isn’t short…not that you care.
I guess Paniorpa is too busy pretending to be the Manboobz version of Michel Houllebecq to answer. . . alas, if only he realized that he’s just not that interesting. . .
Kristen, I just gave up on hemming. I roll all my pants up now. Which is kind of a pain, but I have no one to pin for me, since hubs can’t get on & off the floor easily (medical issues, and the poor dude is 6’8″. But at least I have someone to reach the shelves!) I’ve decided that “petite” doesn’t mean what they think it does. I’ve never found anything in that section short enough (I’m 5′)
Sadly, they are in need of repair.
I had to make do with the studded leather thong.
The city of New Orleans is still recovering…
@skyal
i roll a lot too. it helps that for the 3 months we have cold weather down here i mostly wear corduroys, which look a lot less weird rolled than most pants
I’m 5’2″ and I don’t recall ever having trouble finding clothes that fit. High shelves, though, yes (and obnoxious people who can’t help commenting any time they see you standing on a chair to reach something, no matter how many times they’ve seen you do it before).
You’re .50 inches under average height and you’re going to complain that someone who’s a little on the wee side says they’re short? Can you be more of an asshole, MRAL?
Because you would know, right?
I have a friend who works in a pretty upscale environment. She gets harped on for wearing too little makeup by her coworkers, as if she were some sort of hairy legged feminist. She spends 300 dollars monthly on makeup, and work is the primary place she wears it, spending ~3 hours weekly on it for work. This is the low end, for women in the middle class, I’m given to understand.
Oh, and she’s not working in customer service or sales. She’s a programmer. They’re just legendary for their care for hygiene and looks, right?
Statement assumes facts not in evidence
The fact that you’re full of shit and have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about *really* helps.
I wouldn’t say deception, but I did have to exercise non-stop performative masculinity to stay in a relationship (provide the $, the plan for any date, the location and impetus for any sexual activity) and all this while dating women who, like me, dated very infrequently and only one person at a time and had dated very few (5 or fewer) individuals over the course of their lives. I am short (5’5″) and I have a couple visible disabilities, so it’s not unusual that even with PUA I had to approach 50, 100, 200, 300 women–the “cute girl of the day”–in the course of a year to get ca. 10 solid first dates. So I would agree with NWO, any average woman who approaches men or who is approached by them can pretty much find someone to say “Yes” on any given day. I do feel that the issue of “deceit” is a form of tone-deafness, these seem to be at least partly matters of personal taste, and many an omega (David Alexander of La Grande Anse blog for example) has fetishized an artiicial Pr0n Valley aesthetic.
PS Holly Pervocracy, I did find your fet life commentary on that unsolicited message from random anonymous fister hilarious.
PUA actually decreases your chances amongst most women, except the most misogynist of them. You’re not helping yourself, bro.
I find it hilarious that someone from the community that calls women of sufficiently low attractiveness ‘Warpig’ is now going to tell us that any woman can find someone who’ll say yes. Sure. Pull the other one, it plays Through The Fire and the Flames.
I roll the cuffs of pretty much all my pants now that I think about it. Either that or wear chunky shoes so they’ll stack. And 5’2 is pretty of short. But wait, is that your morning height or your evening height? It makes a difference you know!
There are two principle reasons why women wear makeup/fashion. Choose one, or other, or both:
1) To attract men by highlighting features and concealing flaws (ie., a form of deception);
2) To role-play, to play a “type” of woman, as in feeling sexy and attractive (in exactly the same way that men like to conform to the “types” that women happen to find attractive, like a soldier in uniform, or intellectual, or poet, or business exec, or thug, or degenerate, etc).
We can accept that for many women, the first option does not hold. In which case, we are left with the second option. But to deny that the second option is to attract men is disingenuous, because role-playing is about conforming to cultural stereotypes that ultimately derive their motivations from the universal desire of women to be attractive to men. It is culture that informs women what is sexy and attractive, and men are a part of that cultural process. The desire to be sexy and attractive does not magically materialize from a vacuum. It does not materialize in the absence of men’s interests. Very few women would want to purposefuly dress in a manner that is ugly to men (though sometimes you have to wonder).
DISCLAIMERS:
1) Some of the comments that I make, feminists might inadvertently agree with. This is unintentional. Any resemblance to feminist-approved opinions is purely coincidental and regrettable. As the standard-bearers of a sexist hate movement, feminists are neither my friend nor the friends of normal men or women. In the pursuit of their own selfish agenda, they have resolutely denied one of the most fundamental laws of the universe… namely, men and women deserve one another.
2) Apologies to the less gifted among us, for my use of big words. I find it more economical to write this way.
I notice he’s unstandardized his disclaimer xD
the universal desire of women to be attractive to men.
How universal is this desire? o: It applies to all women? Is this genetic? Biology? Chromosomal? o:
When do I wear make up, and when don’t I? :3
When does Holly wear make up, and when doesn’t she?
Am I wearing make up now? o:
Very few women would want to purposefuly dress in a manner that is ugly to men (though sometimes you have to wonder).
What times do you wonder? o:
I would like to know more :D
Chuck, the problem here isn’t that you’re using language that is too advanced for us (you’re not); it’s that your ideas are basically just idiotic.
Interesting how gay women are completely erased from the picture or how chuckeedee does not know any word with more than 4 syllables but still thinks that his vocabulary can be difficult for anyone who is not a 4 year old.
Dude, you need to get a life, stop reading feminist blogs and do something with your time… like… read a book, take “logic 101″ or jump in a river… just stop abusing the English language!
Looks like it’s Golden Oldie Week at Radio MRAL- bitches. and his height obsession, and his weird ranking systems that prove that women who are unfat can always get sexed up if they just ask.
But apparently despite this what bitches really want is tall guys with $MONEY$, so I guess they’d just dump the not tall ones when someone who isn’t vertically challenged comes along.
(He really sounds like he’s slipping back into the bad habits and attitudes that many here suggested he go into therapy for- has he fallen off the therapy wagon?)
Chuckeedee: I have! Because how I feel most comfortable is unattractive to many men.
MRAL not only eliminated all gay women but also all fat women. So when he says that 3’s fuck 10’s, he’s still talking about thin women. And then he sees absolutely NO HYPOCRISY in railing against hot women who won’t fuck a 3, even though according to his rankings, fat women must have negative numbers.
Just to make it clear: hot women are obligated to fuck every man who wants them, regardless of how he looks. But men are entitled to keep personal standards that eliminate over half of the female population as sexual partners, and if we point that out, we’re bitches.
Why? Seriously. Where does that sense of obligation come from? The idiot that pressures you? Or does it come from yourself? I need to understand why anyone should feel obligated. I also feel “obligated” when a woman hits on me. Why’s it different for you?
oops, forgot my disclaimers again… see above :)
and in honour of Ami: XD
Accurate dick count: 2. Chick count: 2. :-o what is this hypergamy you speak of?
@Rutee:
Holy shit, is this in the US? (I’m a (female) software engineer and I’m wearing a woot tshirt, jeans, and sneakers to work today.) I think I would be out interviewing for other jobs right now if the people I worked with tried that on me… I am far too lazy for that shit :)
@chuckeedee:
I’m kinda genderqueer so maybe this doesn’t apply, but I really don’t consider what men will think about my clothes when I get dressed in the morning. It’s more a question of what’s clean.
…or is it supposed to be subconscious or something?
Most men can’t tell if a woman is wearing subtle makeup or not. If a woman has a light hand and is experienced with applying cosmetics, the texture of the powders and cremes will not be detectable on the skin. Sometimes women wear more obvious makeup for reasons of fashion, but the kind of makeup that is used to mimic signs of youth, fertility, and sexual arousal is not apparent as “fake” if done well.
A woman after a subtle look might wear a light application of sheer foundation, a light dusting of powder, and some concealer. To that she might add blush on her cheeks and a light sheer lipstick. Other women might also use a light coat of mascara or some neutral eyeshadow. This is the kind of application that tends to make a woman look more alert. Her skin will have a more even tone and an appealing flush. Her eyes will seem slightly bigger and brighter. It’s a subtle enhancement, and it does not turn a hideous old troll into a nubile young thing. This is also the look most men who declare “no makeup” expect on “natural” women.
Then, there are occasions when women use makeup for fashionable or dramatic effect. They might wear many of the same products, but they will use a slightly heavier application. More mascara, darker or more shimmery lipstick, colored or darker shadows, eyeliner, etc. This type of makeup is detectable, and some people find it attractive. I think it’s sexy because there is a sensuality inherent in highlighting the lips and eyes, etc. It’s only sexy if the woman knows how to apply makeup well, however, and if she does so in a way that amplifies her attractive features. Again, the use of eyeshadow doesn’t change the shape or color of the eye. It only changes one’s perception of these things, and the effect is still fairly subtle. Cosmetics don’t imbue a beauty lacking in the naked face.
I wear makeup and won’t be shamed out of it. I’m not presenting a fake version of myself, as my features are clear whether I am made up or not. Foundation slightly brightens my complexion, but either way, I am a woman with fair and smooth skin. My cheeks are rounded with or without blush. My nose is small and straight with or without makeup. My lips are full with or without lipstick. My lashes are black with or without mascara. So, why bother wearing it at all? Well, it amplifies what I have naturally. And I like my face, and I want to amplify what is attractive about it. I also like playing with different looks and fashions. And, since I wear makeup whether or not I am planning to interact with men, it’s not merely a device intended to defraud male sex drives.
Not sure why I am responding to this drivel.
Chuckee, do you realize that blitzgal is paraphrasing MRAL’s views in this quote? No. You think blitzgal holds those views.
If you’re going to lecture us about how smart you are, you might want to demonstrate being able to understand what other people are saying.
While we’re dick-counting: the worst sex I ever had in my life was with a “10”.