Lady, killer; killer, lady.
What do women want? Freud never found a definitive answer to his famous question, but the blogger who calls himself Delusion Damage thinks he’s got it figured out: women want men who can kill people with their bare hands.
DD is a sort of compound MRA-PUA who argues for “Men’s Liberation Through ‘Game,’” as he put it in a Spearhead post some months ago. Apparently, if dudes learn how to get the hot babes to give them strings-free sexy times, through the magic of “game,” this will help to “reduce the unilateral enslavement of men through marriage.”
And what attracts the ladies more than the ability to kill? Not much, apparently. If you’ve got that magic killing touch, everyone around you will sense your manly power:
You are a man. A man is a survivor, a hunter, a protector of loved ones. The essence of manliness is controlled power. … That is what women love and what other men respect. Women, most of them anyway, are unable to use force and must rely on men where force is required. … If you lack the ability to kill other people with your bare hands, you will be perceived as if something is missing from your manliness. …
If you can kill, the ladies will pick up on this instantly:
[H]aving the ability substantially raises the value she instinctively perceives you to have. Which, as we know, leads to all manner of good things.
I believe he’s referring to blowjobs.
Oh, and other dudes will be impressed, too:
The respect of other men is also greatly influenced by your killing ability. Up until graduation from high school, the male social hierarchy has a great deal to do with “who can beat up whom”, and although the hierarchy among adult men is more dependent on social and professional status signals, men never stop instinctively evaluating you by what they perceive your killing ability to be, and respecting or disrespecting you accordingly.
And this will set you apart from all the wimpy emo hipsters of the world, who couldn’t even fight a girl:
If there is a “defining” degree of killing ability that makes you “manly”, it is defined by comparison with the female of the species. …
In these dismal times, men who fall short of this line are not terribly rare. Many of the emaciated hipsters and cubicle-dwellers of our generation would have trouble against a Juanita from a rougher neighborhood. These men, due to their lack of killing ability, are seen as unmanly by both men and women.
Meanwhile, your ability to kill will make others sit up and take notice:
The ability to kill makes your feelings relevant. If you lose your temper, someone dies.
This of course implies good things about you – the fact that you aren’t in jail right now means that you are a man in control of his emotions. A man who never loses his temper. Everyone around you subconsciously understands this and respects you for it. It lets people know they can trust you.
Yeah, nothing screams “trustworthy” more than a guy going on and on about how he could kill you with his bare hands.
Also, the ability to kill can help to prevent the ladies from blabbing endlessly about their stupid lady crap to you:
A woman who knows, without a shadow of a doubt, that she will have less than three seconds to live from the second she makes you lose your temper is not going to set out to intentionally poke and prod you past your breaking point.
Aw, yeah, it’s good to be a potential bare-hands killer:
[Y]ou will be afforded a completely unprecedented kind of respect. …
When you are The Man, everyone around takes note. It is a form of celebrity. Women gravitate to you, pulled by the invisible streams of attention, respect and deference which we all subconsciously sense in any social situation.
Given the sort of adoring attention DD must get from the ladies, it’s sort of amazing that he finds time to even keep up a blog at all.
Posted on September 17, 2011, in alpha males, bad boys, beta males, bullying, manginas, masculinity, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, PUA, racism, thug-lovers, violence against men/women. Bookmark the permalink. 378 Comments.
He’s got a point though. Women want to feel safe and protected, and it’s been shown time and time again that women respond to displays of aggression and dominance with open legs and gushing vaginas. I’ve noticed this on several occassions, particularly with tall guys at parties and clubs. I always wince in pain when I watch some 6’3+ stud walk up to someone’s girl and start groping her, and it’s clear that the weak beta manlet can’t do anything to stop it. It’s particularly bad when it’s clear that the girl fucking loves it (which is most of the time) and no doubt ends up downing his alpha seed by the end of the night.
cool story bro
You guys can claim not working out, not learning how to fight isn’t important, but when the above scenario happens what are you going to do to prevent an alpha from stealing your girl? Try to put him to sleep with feminist rhetoric? Good luck with that.
You, my friend, have never heard of a little thing called “strategy.”
It’s easy as pie: grope him back. Either he’s not into it, in which case he leaves or becomes violent, in both cases losing the fight (no, a woman will not leave with someone who physically assaulted her date), or he is into it, in which case you keep it up and see where the evening takes the three of you.
Arks, can you troll less effectively? I have a bet going with Flib on whether or not you are in fact at rock bottom for trolling effectiveness.
gushing vaginas
Might want to let a doctor look at that.
Arks, I cannot foresee any scenario wherein my girlfriend of ten years would decide to leave me for a person that just started groping her in a bar, if she were to do so I would not want to do anything to prevent her from leaving. If she were willing to treat me so disrespectfully I would not want to be in a relationship with her. The ‘alpha’ would not be stealing my girlfriend from me, but my girlfriend would be dumping me for a person she just met, and that would be sad for me but not a situation in which violence would be helpful.
If the only thing keeping your significant other form leaving you is the threat of violence being perpetrated against their future partners then they do not actually want to be in the relationship with you. Why would you want to be in a relationship with someone that does not want to be in one with you?
He’s got a point though. Women want to feel safe and protected, and it’s been shown time and time again that women respond to displays of aggression and dominance with open legs and gushing vaginas.
Okay I think there needs to be some cites now xD
Arks-
While I can see how you might think that your cuckolding fantasies are relevant to this thread, I can assure you they are not.
By the way, being groped without my consent means I would NOT feel safe and protected… since feeling safe generally means feeling safe FROM sexual assault xD
Why would you want to be in a relationship with someone that does not want to be in one with you?
You forget, Fatman, that in the MRAs’ singularly miserable worldview nobody actually wants to be in a relationship at all. The quote about marriage earlier makes it crystal clear: women should tolerate men because the alternative ought to be starvation, and men should feed women in exchange for sex and babies. If you cultivate the delusion that nobody actually *likes* anyone of the opposite sex, the view of women as fungible tokens that can be “stolen” from you follows more naturally. It’s pathetic in both senses of the word.
I have a suspicion that his ‘girl’ is not so much his gf but rather A woman he WANTS to date. And the ‘Alpha’ gets in ahead of him…
@Arks: “Women want to feel safe and protected, and it’s been shown time and time again that women respond to displays of aggression and dominance with open legs and gushing vaginas. Etc.”
High marks for vivid imagination, Arks, but an F in logic. Let’s play this game: women want to feel safe and protected. Okay, who or what do we want to be protected from? We know it can’t be from other men, because according to you, we actually like men who are dangerous and who assault us, so we don’t want to be protected from them. And it it can’t be that we want to be protected from those miserable “betamanlets”, because “betamanlets” aren’t threatening or dangerous to begin with. So from what then, natural disasters? Hmm. What does an alpha boy do in the face of one, punch a tsunami? Put a volcano in a headlock? Stop a hurricane?
Insofar as people on this list have previously categorized me as an mra (which I’m not – I’m a “dude who makes up his own mind” – DWMUHOM) and, insofar as I respect that men have had fundamental rights violated because of feminism and I despise feminism with a passion, I do suspect that there are many MRAs who don’t get out much. You only have to look at the spread of men that many women fuck, from hopeless, drooling degenerates to brain-dead imbeciles, to realize that they don’t always fuck lobotomized thugs. Basically, women are creatures of proximity, and will cheerfully commit to/fuck the first knucklehead that takes them on a second date. They are that easy. Sometimes a woman might strike it lucky and stumble across someone half-way decent, but again, that’s more often a product of proximity, rather than intelligent agency.
Domestic violence testifies of the attraction of many women for thugs who are able to kill.
Some of these women are so good at sniffing potential killers that they even get killed themselves.
I don’t think “basically” means what you think it does.
I am reminded of those old Count Dante ads.
“Yes, this is the DEADLIEST and most TERRIFYING fighting art known to man – and WITHOUT EQUAL. Its MAIMING, MUTILATING, DISFIGURING, PARALYZING and CRIPPLING techniques are known by only a few people in the world. An expert at DIM MAK could easily kill many Judo, Karate, Aikido and Gung Fu experts at one time with only finger tip pressure using his murderous POISON HAND WEAPONS.”
Can you please explain this to my friends? They’ve been making fun of me for having a “type”, on account of the fact that the guys I date tend to be really similar. I’d almost started believing it myself; luckily you came around to remind me that because I have a vagina, I will fuck just anyone who asks.
“Basically, women are creatures of proximity, and will cheerfully commit to/fuck the first knucklehead that takes them on a second date.”
So the PUAs should forget about “game” and just start hanging out around women and waiting for the women to notice them hanging around, after which they’ll get laid because they’re nice guys who hang around a lot?
Have you told them that?
(BTW, I tried that method a lot in high school. It didn’t work so well for me. Maybe I did it wrong.)
paniorpa: Abuse might start out with him* being jealous of your guy friends, which is, you know, kind of flattering and romantic and shows how much he cares. So slowly you stop hanging out with your guy friends, because it’s not worth how angry he gets. He starts texting you a lot because he always wants to be near you, which is sweet, but if you don’t text back immediately he freaks out that you’re cheating on him. And then slowly he gets more and more jealous– when you’re out without him, he questions whether you’re cheating on him; when you talk to a man, he accuses you of flirting; when you wear a skirt, he gives you shit about it for hours, claiming you’re trying to pick up other men. You stop going out with your friends so much, because you don’t want to deal with his anger when you get home; you only dress in the clothes he finds acceptable. He is a good boyfriend, really, he just loves you SO MUCH and you can’t do the simplest things like not flirting with other guys; besides, there’s always compromise in relationships, and your friends always say you’re so lucky to find a guy so sweet. After all, if it were abusive, someone would say something.
One day he goes too far and calls you a horny bitch, a dog in heat, because you talked to a guy at the grocery store for five minutes. You storm out self-righteously. And then he comes back, and he’s sweet, and he brought flowers, and he cried, and he talked about how he didn’t mean it, maybe his bitch ex cheated on him and he can’t help feeling a little jealous sometimes, but that just shows how strong his love is and how little he wanted to lose you, and somehow you end up back in the relationship. It’s good, for a while. When it’s good, it’s really good. He’s sweet, he’s attentive, he’s kind, he gives little gifts and snuggles with you while watching TV; you might never have found a partner as good as he is during the good times.
You shrink away from the thought of abuse. Stupid women get abused. You know better than to be in an abusive relationship, so this relationship couldn’t possibly be abusive. If anything, you’re abusive to him, when he’s just trying to be nice and you’re blaming him for your friendships falling apart. Besides, you’ve already spent a year with him, you can’t just dump him just because you’re unhappy. And if you left, well, your friends have stopped calling. Who would you go to?
One night he comes home. You’ve gone out for the first time in a month to a club. He sees you in a short skirt and he starts to scream, saying you’re a bitch, a slut, you’re just looking for men, you’re cheating on him. You beg and plead with him, but he is still angry. Finally, he slaps you across the face.
Do you see where that’s a little bit different than “women love killers lolololololol?”
*I am using a male as an abuser, but people of all genders can abuse.
@Nullpointer. I don’t know your circumstances or your “type”, but for the edification of those whom seem to observe a pattern towards the unsavory, here’s how it goes:
If you frequent a sewer, you will most likely attract rats. If you mingle with a type, you establish proximity with that type, and hey presto, there’s your answer. If you are predisposed to giving valuable airtime to those whom you feel “comfortable” and “relaxed” with (meaning, drunken slobs who expect little of you), then hey presto, witness more of my proximity theory in action. But you haven’t alluded to your type… so what’s your type, so that I can offer you a more specific answer. Is he a wallet type? A provider type? A nerd type? Even nerds have their utility for those women obsessed with security over attractiveness. What’s your type? Be brave. Project a little.
http://www.llapgoch.org.uk/
*swoons*
My type is poly kinky androgynous-to-femme intelligent socially awkward nerds, Chuckedee. Explain why I like them. :)
@Don Gwinn. I don’t think men realize how much women are creatures of proximity. All they see is that women control supply, but what they don’t see is how quickly and easily women establish the choices that take them out of the market. Women are not that selective. They can appear to be selective, to men, only because they make themselves unavailable so easily. But the reality is that they are quite the opposite. And once you realize this, you can adapt your strategy to suit. Don’t put them on pedestals, ever… they just don’t belong there, and they know this at a visceral level. And if you put them there on the naive presumption that they are picky, then either they know that they cannot live up to your expectations, and they spook, or they’ll think you’re an idiot. Either way, you miss out. That’s why drunken slobs help to defuse all that pent-up angst, and are more likely to get to first base than those who “respect” women. Cut this crap that women are picky and select for the “best”. They just aren’t. Most of them have massive inferiority complexes that conspire against them realizing their most wished-for fantasies. They finish up making painful compromises, and most men are never the wiser.
Apparently because you are standing next to them. It is like magic! Only more asinine.
Chuckee, The Journal of Empty, Pretentious Nobbery is 3 blogs down the hall. Before submitting your article for peer review, may I suggest adding a few more insofars and the like? It never fails to impress the review committee.
Ozy – My type has a PhD in science and avoids eye contact. I never noticed the second of those until a friend pointed it out, and I don’t know why it’s true. I’d ask Chuck, but I have a leeeetle sliver of a suspicion he’d say it’s because I am a terrible, terrible person.
(Oddly, my closest platonic women friends all make far more eye contact than average.)
Maybe as socially inept perverts who fit in with your solipsistic, idiosyncratic definition of “intelligent”, you don’t find them threatening in any way.
He’s got a point though. Women want to feel safe and protected,
What about the menz? Don’t men want to feel safe and protected? Why wouldn’t they?
I know I do. Especially considering how many people seem to want to take a shovel to a zombie’s noggin.
Haha! Capt. Bathrobe, I love J. Emp. Pret. Nob. and will check whether the library takes it FORTHWITH (they love that word too)!
lol Cap’n bathtub. I first saw your comment without seeing who it was and thought to myself… sounds familiar, I wonder who it might be. haha If you define intellectualism in such trite wordings, you’re going to have difficulties when you grow up and get a job. Your obsessive anti-intellectualism is a real liability.
MissPrism: I’m currently with a dude who goes into raptures about chi-square tests, and a chick who reads nineteenth-century novels for fun. :P Ah, the perils of nerd dating.
I believe Chuckee when he says he’s not an MRA.
He just straight up hates women.
I like* how our one of our endearing** scallywag*** trolls claims women totally suck because they are too discriminatory and only fuck FUCKING alphaFUCKs, and another one claims women totally suck because they are non-discriminatory in whom they fuck. Tsk! Get your misogynistic stories straight, trollboys!
*laugh at
**tiresome
***fuckwit
Chuckee, you are confusing intellectualism with, well, empty, pretentious nobbery. Any point worth making should be made as clearly and simply as possible. Obfuscation is the first, and last, refuge of the charlatan.
At what point is alleged obfuscation indicative of your ignorance or my alleged pretentiousness? And why should I care? And your point is? (sorry for the big words, but a few big words are more economical forthwith and insofar as)
Your point, Cap’n, is irrefragable. Chuck should knock it the fuck off with his egregious sesquipedalian anfractuosity.
PS Ozy, re: your beloveds – phwoar!
Wait, chuckie, you said “All women like this and that’s why they’re awful blargity blargity blarg” and ozy said, “Well, I like this other things” (I know ozy is genderqueer, but zie is FAB, so I’m assuming you consider her a woman) and your response is “That’s because you’re a narcissistic pervert”?
So we’re awful if we hook up with dudes we know (your “proximity” thesis), but we’re also awful if we have more selective criteria? Good to know!
I think you’re right, ZRM – chuck just hates us. How will we ever survive? I don’t know about you, but I’m putting on my hairshirt and flagellating myself as we speak.
Careful, Chuckles. Save it for the review committee. You wouldn’t want to peak too early.
Also, I don’t know if I have a type, and I haven’t dated in a long time since I’ve been married for almost 6 years – but I guess the one common feature that everyone I’ve been in a serious relationship with has had was that they were really, really passionate about one thing or another. Other than that there’s not much commonality. And none were violent criminals!
And Arks, you are apparently confusing women with lunch money. No one can “steal your girl” without said girl’s permission, and even if you did beat up a guy she prefers to you there’s no reason to think that would make her get back together with you.
I also reject the idea that all or even a large percentage of women are thrilled by the prospect of being with a violent guy who might snap at any moment and put them in the hospital. Not thrilling! Not at all!
yes, ozy, about the abuse. Also, abusers often kill their victims when the victims are attempting to leave or have left. It is one of the highest risk of death points in many abusive relationships. Because when the abuser says “if you leave, I will kill you” (or, worse “I will kill you and the kids”), they often are deadly serious. And the US is a failure in human rights law when it comes to enforcing protective orders (the UN has issued statements to this effect as well). Abusers also get custody at fairly high rates. “Just leave” isn’t so simple. Victims who stay with abusers aren’t necessarily doing it because they are foolish or irrational, sometimes, they are being very, very rational about a horrible situation.
Also, there isn’t some abuser look. You can’t pick them out of a crowd too easily. It’s like the joke Wednesday makes in the Adams Family about her Halloween costume “I’m a homocidal maniac. They look just like everyone else.”
Yes, women get to choose whom they fuck, even though that person may not be you. The grapes, they are awfully sour.
@Arks: No. The kind of men you’re describing just sound like violent thugs with a hair trigger temper to me. I’d much rather survive the encounter, so I’ll stay with my “beta manlet” and live a long and happy life.
Also: “gushing vaginas”? The poor woman obviously has a UTI and is in dire need of antibiotics.
At what point is alleged obfuscation indicative of your ignorance or my alleged pretentiousness?
Pretty much from your first post. I once heard someone say “if you can’t explain your point in a way that a ten-year-old can understand, you are a charlatan.” Truly knowledgeable people don’t rely on convoluted wordplay.
And I strenuously doubt that the failing is on the part of the commentariat here.
And why should I care?
I dunno, man. YOU posted HERE. You tell US why you care.
Rhetorically; Have the MRAs considered that we like displays of all kinds of physicality but the gender role they’ve given themselves only allows for the parts with the hitting?
Simplicity and elegance are virtues in prose, you know, chuckeedee. That’s why Hemingway is considered such a great prose stylist.
I wouldn’t mind having a dude that can kill other dudes with his bare hands, but the real question is, can he kill a BEAR??
As we all know, bears roam the land free and after civilization has gone, it’s just us against the bears. Never mind the reptiles and sickness that would most likely kill you, worry about the BEARS! Yeah, we don’t need any science that can help with electricity or shit like that.
Noble prize winners are losers!
Good one Captainbathrobe, the grapes are sour.
@Valerie, one of my uncles once killed two bears in two days, but he’s well into his 80s and never married. What gives, ladies of the 40s?
Tell us, chuckeedee!
When you ask a woman what type of guy she’s into, what would be the response that wouldn’t lead to you telling her that she is a pervert or stupid or awful or whatever?
Let me take a wild guess…
It would probably be something along the lines of “well, my type of guy are the ones who are in every way like chuckeedee, or in the best case scenario, chuckeedee himself ♥”
Valerie:
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in a bar and some BEAR comes up and starts rubbing on my partner and then eats my salmon, all my salmon! The nerve! What can a lonely, postgraduate degree betamale–I more Winne the Pooh than Kodiak–do against the BEARS, let alone the ALPHA BEARS! Neither my women nor my salmon are safe!
That’s why I’ve become a MRA, to get those Alpha BEARS off my ladyfolk and my delicious salmon-based resources. I am currently developing my own anti-BEAR martial art. Hint: It’s like Krav Maga, but, y’know, for fighting BEARS; it’s gonna be sweet.
Valerie is Stephen Colbert’s sockpuppet?
“I can kill a BEAR!” will be the new “We hunted the mammoth for you!” t-shirt.
ozy, Hemingway could kill a bear. Just sayin’.
Hemingway could kill anything but alcoholism, and he gave that one helluva a fight.
You obviously haven’t heard me expound on the brilliance of Milton. Charlie Sheen on a coke bender can’t stay awake for more than 5 seconds.
chuckeedee what made you think that your particular brand of half-baked logic, inane assumptions and flowery word salad in any way resembled intellectualism.
puffing on a bubble pipe while you spin your excuses doesnt make you stephen hawking
Ah, you’re an asshole.
Valerie,
who are the ALPHA bears? Would you rather date a guy who killed a grizzly or a polar bear?
Are teddy bears the betas? Does killing a teddy bear make a guy more or less dateable?
cynickal: I LOVE MILTON <3 <3 <3 MILTON IS THE BEST OMG PARADISE LOST OMGOMGOMGOMG SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
…We apologize for the interruption of your transmission by fangirl squee. Your regular misogyny mocking service will return momentarially.
I haven’t read any Milton, where should I start?
Judging by Oz’s response, Milton is definitely an alpha.
What about dire bears? Those things have like, twelve hit dice.
MissPrism: Don’t read the prose, seriously, Milton’s an asshat. His poetry is all brilliant, though.
So, according to this proximity theory, all a guy has to do is stand close to me and I’ll completely forget the vows I made to my husband (to keep his comfort, safety and joy above my own) and just run off and screw the guy who’s nearest me? Because… James Franco?
Urk. I’ll give it a go, but I’ve never really clicked with poetry except for nonsense verse. I’ve tried, really I have, but had to conclude there’s something wrong with my soul, like a mutation that leaves me unable to convert doggerelin into rhapsodic acid.
You guys can claim not working out, not learning how to fight isn’t important, but when the above scenario happens what are you going to do to prevent an alpha from stealing your girl? Try to put him to sleep with feminist rhetoric? Good luck with that.
Gee… I have brains (ignoring the fact that I am in the “can kill with my bare hands club”).
You tell him to stop. You point out that if he keeps it up, the bouncer is going to have a short chat with him. You point out that what he’s doing is sexual assault, and the 911, and two people’s statement will get him charged with a sex-offense.
Here’s the thing…. I’ve had guys get all up in my face. I look at them, tell them they don’t want to do that* (whatever stupid macho threat/invitation they’ve made) and wait.
I’ve never had one actually possess the balls to swing at me.
Maybe they think a slightly built white guy who’s willing to tell them they aren’t getting away with it is too crazy to fuck with, but I haven’t had anyone stupid enough to swing at me since I was in high school.
And you know what, when someone tries that crap, and loses the battle of wills, they don’t come back to that club/bar/place.
*in the situation described, the “Alpha” is as a structural,and moral, disadvantage; which means the basics of taking him down, are even easier.
I’m hearing this in Bea Arthur’s voice from History of the World. ‘Oh, you’re a bullshit artist!’
And the same goes for poetic prose. I want to like Woolf and Joyce but they leave me gnawing at the furniture hissing just tell me what happens next argh argh stoppit with all the words fucks sake the full stop key is right there use it.
Re Milton: I’d say the thing to read is the shorter verse. I am very fond of “On his blindness”
WHEN I consider how my light is spent
E’re half my days, in this dark world and wide,
And that one Talent which is death to hide,
Lodg’d with me useless, though my Soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
My true account, least he returning chide,
Doth God exact day-labour, light deny’d,
I fondly ask; But patience to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, God doth not need
Either man’s work or his own gifts, who best
Bear his milde yoak, they serve him best, his State
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
And post o’re Land and Ocean without rest:
They also serve who only stand and waite.
(Poem 318 in the OBEV)
Miss Prism –
I like poetry, but I’m totally on board with you regarding poetic prose. It tends to be a major impediment to coherent storytelling. My experience trying to read Woolf was very similar to yours.
Pecunium: I love that one. :)