MRA blog suggests a cooling-off period would make statutory rape ok
From Human Stupidity, an MRA blog rather obsessed with underage girls and the alleged evil of age of consent laws:
[I]f a 15 year old … can decide to have sex with a 16 year old … [h]ow come she cannot have sex with a 35 year old? Age discrimination by law?
Are you worried about manipulation of the tender 15 year old? I have a solution:
what about legalizing sex with underage adolescents, if they first undergo an hour of mandatory counselling and a 2 day cool off period? That should take care of this issue. This would guarantee safety for the 15 year old against being conned or manipulated. More safety that is offered to 21 year old tipsy Friday night party girls who may feel sorry for what they did yesterday
I think he might actually be serious here. Though it’s pretty clear he’d be happy with any excuse to make it legal for 35 year-old men to have sex with 15 year-old girls.
Posted on September 7, 2011, in idiocy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, rape, rapey, statutory rape apologists. Bookmark the permalink. 522 Comments.
Brandon | September 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm
@hellkell: You are lecturing me about inclusiveness? Umm…the pot calling the kettle black
How so? o:
Brandon, you haven’t really said much on here that marks you as a feminist ally.
I’ve been a bit of a goofball on here because I’m more concerned with poking you than actually bringing good debate, but there *are* feminist men. Really!
So your argument basically boils down to… what? People should be “allowed” to be feminists *just* because they have a dick, rather than their actual beliefs? Do you think Sarah Palin is a feminist just because she has a vagina?
Yeah, Brandon, I thought feminists were mean to you once for no reason, so you decided they were wrong. Which is an entirely logical and reasonable way to form a political opinion.
But hey, if I’m remembering that wrong, glad to have you in the club! I’m sorry, you don’t get to be Boss Feminist Overlord just because you have a penis and a high opinion of yourself. You have to, you know, do stuff, write well, inspire people, be a leader. Total bummer.
But keep at it, sport, there’s always room at the top!
A man who works to advance the cause of equality for women without expecting rewards, and without constant whining about the way women are going about it. So not you, since you expect us to do shit for you and to ‘reciprocate’ somehow beyond destroying where patriarchy hurts specific men.
@Molly: My point is if feminists want the support of men then it isn’t in feminists best interests to snub men because they might snub you back. While men might agree with you in principle, snubbing them or saying they aren’t wanted might cause a backlash.
As I said earlier, if the issue is economic or legal based I pretty much toe the feminist line. It isn’t until feminists start discussing more nuanced topics like dating and relationships that I pretty much disagree with everything. This disagreement makes me not “feminist-worthy”. So even while I agree with parts of feminist dogma, I am not helpful because I don’t toe the feminist line completely. So it seems that you can only be a feminist male if you swallow feminist dogma completely.
I tried to link to the Man Finally Put In Charge Of Struggling Feminist Movement Onion article, but it’s behind a pay-wall for me. Google, I guess. It’ll be worth your time.
@Rutee: Reciprocation is the cornerstone of respect. Claiming that you want men to do for you without doing for them makes you selfish and greedy.
What is that you want the feminist movement to provide for women? And explain why the MRM can’t provide what you want?
Vell, Hy haz a nice hat, a skull faze, a dick hin my pantz und hy tink dat vomen are reel peeepels vit huniqe perschpectives dat diserve equal treetments az hoomanz.
“My point is if feminists want the support of men then it isn’t in feminists best interests to snub men because they might snub you back. While men might agree with you in principle, snubbing them or saying they aren’t wanted might cause a backlash.”
I don’t really see this happening, Brandon. There are some things that have been going on politically that could be seen as a “backlash against feminism”, but I think they are specific parts of a generalized Right vs. Left fight. (The defunding of Planned Parenthood was, I think, more a symptom of people arguing about what the government should be doing rather than someone going “OMG, those feminists snubbed me at a party!”) There’s also some women that are taking part in anti-feminist ideals, like the whole “grizzly moms” thing they had a while ago. I don’t think all of those women were snubbed at a party, either.
“So even while I agree with parts of feminist dogma, I am not helpful because I don’t toe the feminist line completely. So it seems that you can only be a feminist male if you swallow feminist dogma completely.”
The main impression I’ve gotten from debating with you on here is that your philosophy of life isn’t very well thought out. You think equal pay is great, but you’re envisioning a “backlash” of what… the MRM? It’s 50/50 whether you’ll sound like you’ve actually considered opinions other than your own and whether you sound like you’re pulling things out of your ass.
I’m not even sure what your motivation was in starting this debate, honestly. To tell us feminism was wrong, just like you did with marriage? It’s okay if you disagree with me, but I don’t know whether you’re coming or going half the time, and that’s not really something that I’d want in someone who was going to be helping me to organize the next Slutwalk.
Hey! Vait, hy vas told der vould be cake!
Sounds like Brandon’s not going to be a major activist for feminism, guys, and I don’t know about you, but I’m willing to let this particular fish go.
*wipes hands briskly together, as if knocking off dust*
Just an aside, most feminists don’t envision patriarchy as a thing stamping on women’s faces forever. Rather, it’s a system that no individual came up with, but is instead a bunch of cobbled together approaches to men and women that are sexist – for example that men are always suited for breadwinning and women are really mainly good at childrearing. Oh, and that other ‘domestic’ stuff like cooking, cleaning and buying clothes, you know, essential life skills required to keep you fed, healthy and a comfortable temperature. Patriarchy has evolved over history and isn’t all that internally consistent.
So no, not an EVIL MENZ conspiracy, but a complicated collection of approaches to gender which serve to construct men and women as opposites, essentialise their differences as inherent to ALL men and women, and generally make everyone feel bad about not being exactly like the mythical ideal man or woman (which is supposed to match up with the genitals you were born with, or something).
Brandon there are plenty of male feminists. Most feminist groups do not reject men simply because they have a penis. As you can see we have many male supporters here on manboobz and many of us have supportive male partners/friends/family members irl. What many groups do have a problem with are individuals with huge amounts of entitlement and privilege telling them exactly how they ought to run things. Kind of like what you’re doing right now.
yeah… no, it doesn’t work that way.
I’m not asking for political favors from random idiots on the street. I’m asking for people who believe in equality to work for it. I’m not going to give you cookies* for working towards your beliefs. I specified that an actual ally believes in equality on their own. I’d be pretty pissed if a feminist told me “OMG AFTER ALL THE WORK I DID FOR THE GAYS THOSE GAY MEN WERE STILL MISOGYNIST”, because shit don’t work that way. Either you believe in equal rights, and you work towards it, or you don’t (Or do, but I’m certainly not going to do anything back randomly; I’ll accept a particular trade in political terms, but those are generally done between politicians, and I’m not familiar with activist movements trading favors between themselves when particular laws weren’t on the line. I’m not randomly going to work on your goals just because you worked on mine, quite frankly mine aren’t going to be completed in my lifetime and I have personal life shit too).
Just get the hell out and stop complaining. That you’re willing to make this threat at all, “YOU HELP ME OR I QUIT”, tells me you don’t really believe in these goals. Go fuck right off, I don’t give a shit. Any of your shit that’s on my list, I’ll work on, but I ain’t going to do shit for you that I wasn’t already going to.
*I’m pretty sure I’m in charge of planning the victory party. It’s not a reward though, it’s a celebration. Currently stuck between making one really fucking huge cake, to make sure there’s enough for everyone (Literally every person on the planet, because it’s not really victory if you’re not actually done), or making tons and tons of little cakes and pies and other pastries. Pretty sure the latter one lets me get party hats for everypony too.
@Molly: My philosophy is that of borderline hedonism. I work, save my money and invest, travel, date, and pretty much live the life a lot of men claim they want to live. I am working towards building a online business so I can earn money where ever I am. Possibly move to Thailand. It seems pretty well established, cheaper than the US and the beaches look amazing (cheap beachhouses!). I would get to earn a living, live in a foreign country cheap and experience something other than American culture for longer than a vacation.
So while my philosophy might be different from yours…I pretty much have my “ducks in a row” so to speak.
Women get equality, manginas get harems. Duh. Classic win-win!
Brandon, what’s that even have to do with what we’re discussing? XD
I mean, yeah, you can say “I’m a hedonist”, and pretty much stop there, because you’re basically saying “I’m in it for me”. But did you have to boast about your beach house?
I think it’s very important to this post and this discussion to point out that I’m thinking planning a trip to Alaska, because I really like the landscapes there and I have a friend who’s a firefighter in Alaska and I haven’t talked to her in such a long time and I’ve always thought that an Alaska trip would be a wonderful thing but I worry that logistically it might be hard to do in cold weather because I bet a lot of roads just close up there and I’d be stuck in Anchorage the whole time which would be boring so I might have to wait for next summer.
…Aren’t irrelevant details about my personal life a wonderful contribution to feminist discourse? Anyway, I refuse to support the feminist movement until some feminists get me a ticket to Alaska, otherwise there’s just nothing in it for me.
No, no, Holly, you’re doing it wrong! You’re supposed to take the fact that you have the money and leisure and business know-how to take a trip to Alaska and then *rub it in our faces*! Because that’ll show us how we’re wrong about feminism!
“As I said earlier, if the issue is economic or legal based I pretty much toe the feminist line.”
Wake up. The feminist bigots have written sexist man-hate into every law in the land. When your turn comes, do you think these bigots are going to spare you because you toed the feminist line?
Walk away from these fascists. The MRM both needs and wants you. We are fighting for equality, dignity, justice, and liberty.
The feminist bigots wrote sexist man-hate into traffic laws? Into zoning laws? Into livestock handling laws?
Dang.
…since when has anyone let a feminist write laws, anyway? I thought legislators did that, and God knows there’s not a whole lot of overlap there.
Hrm… last time I checked women weren’t allowed to have anything to do with law writing up for the first 100+ years of American history. Of course I just have a hate filled ladybrain. What do I know?
Antz, Brandon won’t join you unless there’s a definite benefit in it for him. I think you need to hurry up on the VR.
Also, I started a web business when I was in high school and am in the process of starting another. I save money, go backpacking, date, and basically live the life many vanilla people wish they lived. I often go to NYC just because I can, where I take part in orgies and discuss literature with beautiful women. You WISH you were me, motherfuckers!
@Lyn Just so we are clear my definition of patriarchy is one where fathers control their wives, children and home. This concept is practically dead. With the rise of single mothers, women in the workplace and family court’s making judgements in favor of women. I can’t really see a part of wives, children a home that a man controls legally. No-fault divorces further erode the concept of a patriarchy since marriage can be terminated easily and with no blame placed on either party.
Society can dictate “social norms” all it wants. You don’t have to follow them. I get a lot of flack from family since I refuse to get married and “settle down” but in the end, I live my life and not them. It is basically society giving you :”unwarranted advice” constantly. But you still have control over your decisions. You don’t want to get married…don’t. Don’t want kids then don’t. and so on and so on. Fuck what people think. I do whatever the hell I want (legally of course) and have to listen to friends and family suggest an “more traditional lifestyle”. I ignore them and go about my business.
@ClioPersephone: I am not telling anyone how to run their affairs. I was however pointing out a potential consequence of not being more inclusive to men and men that might not completely agree with feminism but only parts of it.
@Molly: I don’t have a beach house…I want one though!
Uh, I guess you can define patriarchy however you like. You can define patriarchy as a pathological dislike of ice cream. Or elephants! Doesn’t mean that that’s what feminism thinks patriarchy is, to that that is what feminism is fighting against.
I fucking love that picture of Bill Bailey. I know I’m not adding much to the conversation here, but seriously, the dude’s awesome.
What you were saying was that feminism needs to “do something” for men in order to gain their support. Quite frankly I don’t want support from anyone, man or woman, who only believes in parts of feminism. I feel the same way about all the movements I’m part of that seek equality.
It’s pretty straightforward, either you support equality or you don’t. You can’t say, “Well I agree that women should get a,b,c but they shouldn’t get/don’t need e,f,g.” That type of thinking just doesn’t work and you can see that in many movements throughout history.
@Anthony: Trust me, I am not appeasing anyone. I am not toeing the feminist line to win favor with feminists. I toe it because I actually believe women should earn the same if the same work is done. My comment to molly a while back talks about what parts of feminism I believe in and parts I don’t.
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile – hoping it will eat him last” – Winston Churchill
I think the MRM is still in it’s infancy. It needs to get it’s goals set up and shake out all the woman hating assholes. We need women Tony so when certain dumbasses start claiming women are like Pol Pot…that won’t help the MRM’s cause. I won’t be a part of something that openly attacks women like that.
Just like I agree with parts of feminism, I also agree with parts of the MRM. Things like anti-male bias in the media, fighting Title IX, Marriage, child support, shared parenting, boys are failing in primary schools, making government programs gender-neutral (VAWA), getting rid of the idea that all men are rapists, anonymity in rape accusations, combating paternity fraud.
Those are issues that feminists actively oppose or don’t really want to fight for. That is the MRM’s purpose. To take care of issues feminists don’t want to do. The MRM needs to focus on the issues and make the laws fair and equal without getting overly emotional and bashing women. Stick to the issues and not the emotions behind them.
Listen man, we need women period. We need them for reproduction, emotional support, to love and to see things from another perspective. So I have a big issue when some dumbass on some MGTOW site makes some claim that women are trying to turn us into slaves. I just can’t see my mother or girlfriend trying to make me a slave. Second, they wouldn’t be able to anyways because I wouldn’t put myself in a position where they could.
I try to see the good in everything and while feminism has over reached in certain areas it has helped men (probably involuntarily). Sex outside of marriage, made dating more casual, and cheaper and a host of other things. Don’t be a reactionary dude. Accept the world for what it is now. It is easier to change yourself than change the world. At least you can control yourself.
Those that don’t adapt…die.
Right, go fuck off Brandon. You believe in stupidity. Shit, you cited VAWA as something you want gender neutral, when it already *IS*. You are stone-cold stupid, and you deserve far worse than you’ve gotten on this site already.
But I knew you were stone cold stupid already, I suppose, you’re just helping make sure everyone else can see it too.
Really? What a novel experience. Society gives you unwarranted advice? You mean, like, totally unsolicited? Family tells you to settle down and have kids? I can’t imagine having to put up with things like that — social pressures to marry? Are you serious? It’s so far outside of my experience as a young single childfree woman I can’t even imagine it. Goodness! Societal pressure! Whatever is that like?
@Bagelsan: The point is I ignore it…I don’t go out and try and change how people think. I just filter it out. I don’t meddle. They can talk all they want, they cant make me sign a marriage license or impregnate my girlfriend. All they can do is talk…and I can ignore them.
Definitely involuntarily. Never forget that — despite the gains that feminism has made for men and women alike and the warm welcome that most feminist men get in feminist circles and the love and support that many feminists have given to men on an individual basis — feminists hate men.
But if you did impregnate your girlfriend — or someone else did — they could force her to carry it to term, or punish her financially and socially for not having your signature on that license before she got pregnant. How do you suggest she should ignore that?
@Bagelsan: Again, I never explicitly said feminists hate men. I did however acknowledge feminists getting the label of man-hater.
Also, advocating for womens rights benefited men to a certain extent, but I don’t think that it was in feminist plans to benefit men the way they did.
Bagelsan, it ain’t never gonna happen to Brandon, so why worry about it?
@Bagelsan I live in Massachusetts. We are pretty much ground zero for women getting whatever reproductive services they need or want.
Society can dictate “social norms” all it wants. You don’t have to follow them.
That’s easy to say depending on the social norm. xD (you yourself have pointed out societal msgs you want to fight)
There’s also the fact that social norms can affect ppl around a person, and the society they live in, and it’s not so easy in some situations to just say “well I won’t follow them”. Sometimes social norms can also influence whether the person even knew if they had an option or not (like, I had no idea that transition was even an option, nor even had a context to place my feelings of gender dysphoria growing up). And of course social norms can result in harassment, violence, and various pressures on a person that influence how many options they have available, or how many ppl are willing to help them, or etc etc… it’s not so simple to just tell, for example, a trans person, that transition is technically legal, so stop complaining about social norms oppressing them. Laws aren’t the only thing that restrict a person or can be part of an oppressive structure in a society. :\
Ah, of course. How could I forget that “I got mine, fuck everyone else” is your reason for existence? You defy parody. :p
My philosophy is that of borderline hedonism. I work, save my money and invest, travel, date, and pretty much live the life a lot of men claim they want to live. I am working towards building a online business so I can earn money where ever I am. Possibly move to Thailand.
Welp, I’m skeeved out by the implications. Any of you?
Just so we are clear my definition of patriarchy is one where fathers control their wives, children and home.
Just so we are clear my definition of “German Idealism” is
…Does anyone honestly not think of child prostitution when Thailand is mentioned in that kind of context? :p
What. The. Fuck.
“[I]f a 15 year old … can decide to have sex with a 16 year old … [h]ow come she cannot have sex with a 35 year old? Age discrimination by law?”
Because a 16-year-old likely isn’t as savvy and manipulative as a 35-year-old?
“Are you worried about manipulation of the tender 15 year old?
I have a solution:
what about legalizing sex with underage adolescents, if they first undergo an hour of mandatory counselling and a 2 day cool off period? That should take care of this issue. This would guarantee safety for the 15 year old against being conned or manipulated. More safety that is offered to 21 year old tipsy Friday night party girls who may feel sorry for what they did yesterday”
Take care of WHAT issue? The “issue” of creepy old men trying to fuck teenagers? Yeah, that’s totally more of an issue than adults taking advantage of people who are too young to make such decisions for themselves. But apparently, a whole hour of counseling and a “cool off period” will take away all the potential pain and trauma!
Clearly, you’re not concerned about 21-year-old party girls; you’re concerned about older men being able to fuck teens without consequences. Stop pretending.
Also, I love the word choice in the phrase manipulation of the tender 15 year old. Dude you are not fooling anyone.
What makes these schlubs think the fifteen-year-olds are going to be lining up to have sex with them? If the perfectly legal eighteen-year-olds are rejecting them, then maybe the really young ladies just aren’t interested.
This subject makes me so angry. I was constantly set upon by vile boorish old men when I was fifteen, including one who threatened to rape me, and it makes me sick that they might have thought this was something consensual, only those pesky laws standing in the way. Every one of their advances made me want to vomit.
@Ami: As long as people are only talking, you can say no to people. My family members might want me to settle down and get married but their words can not force me to do anything. The line gets crossed when they do have the force to order me to do something.
I don’t particularly want to fight anything. I might not like some of those norms but I am not going to go out and fight a crusade over “my dad wants be to get married and have kids” that is just a waste of time from my POV. I would rather use my time to do something else.
@Bagelsan: What do you expect me to do…go fight for a abortion clinic in Nebraska? One can only do so much. I think it would be unreasonable to ask you to fight for something where I live…because you don’t live there.
@Voip: Ah yes, the sex tourism bit. I was wondering if someone was going to pick that up. It couldn’t be because I find Thai culture interesting, the beaches look amazing and my dollar there will go much farther there than in the US…no it has to be because of sex tourism. Sorry there Voip, I don’t really think about traveling to other countries with the intention of sleeping with women there. I can get laid in the US fairly easily…I don’t need to travel 9000 miles to have sex. Also, having sex with minors is fucking disgusting…but thanks for insulting me by calling me a pedophile.
Also, not every damn decision I make revolves around women you narcissist.
“The line gets crossed when they do have the force to order me to do something.”
Hey, like women’s reproductive rights. But who cares, right? In Brandon’s state women totally have access to abortions and contraception, so the right to make your own choices about your own body totally isn’t important.
So…you’ve spent this entire discussion whining about how women are doing enough for YOU, but as soon as women suggest doing things for the betterment of women in general, THEY’RE the narcissists. Of course, it makes perfect sense.
Regarding why these guys think fifteen year olds would want to sleep with them: I think it must be that stereotype that teen girls love bad boys. So they’re counting on their misogynistic attitudes to win them over. That, or they’re just completely delusional. It could be either one.
AntZ: Walk away from these fascists. The MRM both needs and wants you. We are fighting for equality, dignity, justice, and liberty. and building The Matrix so no one has to see anyone who isn’t just like them.
FTFY
Brandon: @Lyn Just so we are clear my definition of patriarchy is one where fathers control their wives, children and home.
And that is a large part of the reason you have problems when dealing with feminism. You don’t understand what they are talking about, and really don’t share their ideals.
Which is likely to get one dismissed, no matter what the activist group is. Telling blacks that oppression = being slaves, and since that that little business was resolved more than 150 years ago lthey should just buck up and accept the way things are, because they are, “equal” now, isn’t likely to cause the NAACP to say, “OK, now we can get right on the problem of how spousal support laws are totally unfair to white dudes who have stay at home partners, so that you will want to help us deal with redlining, voter suppression, discrimanatory hiring practices, racial profiling, disparate sentencing laws, predacious lending, lack of banks in our neighborhoods, and all the other things society is still doing to us. Thanks for being on our side, sort of; if we kick in for you.”
@Bagelsan: The point is I ignore it…I don’t go out and try and change how people think.
Right… that’s why you didn’t spend more than week defending your ideas of marriage. It’s why you didn’t wade into a second thread to tell all the feminists how they are doing it wrong and alienating all the men they need to get the job done.
Right.
I find Thai culture interesting…
Of course you do! One of my degrees is in Eastern Classics; what’s your opinion of the way in which the Thai appropriation of the Ramayana reflects the hegemony of Sanskrit culture in Southeast Asia during the Middle Ages?
Or did you mean to say I find Thai culture exotic. FYI, they can tell the difference.
Also, not every damn decision I make revolves around women you narcissist.
Is that why you keep coming here?
Ooh! ooh! I almost forgot!
Ah yes, the sex tourism bit. I was wondering if someone was going to pick that up.
Which is, no doubt, why you posted it.
Now we get to look like the bad guys, instead of the dude who is OK with not telling his monogamous partner about being “poly on the side,” thinks changing your weekend plans is tying him down, and doesn’t plan to “let” his girlfriend stay home after she has kids, even if that’s what she wants.
This has been a public service announcement to remind us that using a commodity as a standard of currency is bad for your economy,
Death to America.
Brandon: I don’t need to travel 9000 miles to have sex. Also, having sex with minors is fucking disgusting…but thanks for insulting me by calling me a pedophile.
Defensive much?
1: You are talking about moving to Thailand, not visiting.
1a: Is Ashley planning to move with you?
2: What aspects of the culture fascinates you?
2a: How well do you speak the language?
3: The insult wasn’t specifically pedophilia. The sex trade in Thailand is diverse, you could get young men (or boys, if that’s your kink), or adult women.
And this is what they mean by “privilege”. Congratulations; the effect of patriarchy FOR YOU is that your father wants you to get married and have kids, but you don’t want to. That doesn’t imply that this is the equivalent of the issues faced by everyone everywhere.
I think this is a pretty good summary of the mistake you’re making:
http://noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/101-101/
You called us narcissists? That’s cute. No really, tell me another one.
“I am not telling anyone how to run their affairs. I was however pointing out a potential consequence of not being more inclusive to men and men that might not completely agree with feminism but only parts of it.”
Yeah, you’re not telling anyone how to run their affairs, but oh, wait–you are. Weasel words again.
Actually, Thailand is quite lovely, and I can see wanting to live there–though it would be a very different experience from visiting. Culture shock can be a real bitch.
NullPointer: *glows*
Brandon: Men live five years less time than women and it is thought to be correlated to social pressure to eat unhealthily, not go to the doctor, not get support if they have mental illnesses, etc. Your thoughts?
That wasn’t rly a response to what I pointed out o_O
Ozy: Given how evenly that seems to run across cultures (and to some degree across species in mammals), and that the gap exists when one is comparing terminal expectancies (i.e. when one rules out actuarial aspects of high risk behaviors in younger males), I don’t quite buy that.
I will accept that a number of men might manage to avoid some of the fatal causes, were they more proactive in getting treatment, but the dichotomous rates of things like coronary disease; and the difference in things like high blood pressure becoming more even in post-menopausal women makes me think it is a more innate aspect of male/female dimorphism.
Brandon’s “I work, save my money and invest, travel, date, and pretty much live the life a lot of men claim they want to live” also sounds a bit odd to me when I think about it. “Being single and traveling” is a big middle class/hipster dream, yes, but it’s also not *that* uncommon. Having a job, saving, and investing isn’t that odd either, unless you’ve got a low-paying job or are unemployed. Dating is also pretty universal.
Is Brandon the only middle-class person in his social circle? The only single person?
He’s a social circle of one from the sound of him.
To be fair, travelling isn’t actually that common in the US, even among the middle class. Salaries are falling thanks to health insurance and companies specifically screwing their own peons over.
I mean, whatever happened to old school hedonism, where you’d get rip-roaring drunk with all your dandy homies and overturn carriages on Pall Mall? Or where you, a hot gay man, and your sister would convert a virgin to anal sex in your villa? You could at least have a naked dinner party.
Brandon’s idea of “hedonism” looks downright normal. I’m glad you’re living the life you want to live, but dude, you really need to get out more.
I love this idea that NOT AGREEING with feminists shouldn’t be grounds to be considered not a feminist. Like, really dude? You can chip in on the issues you support, but feminism is kind of a package deal. I mean, there’s lots of kinds of feminists and lots of different opinions, but if you’re trying to join a movement and you find you disagree with most of its core ideas, maybe you shouldn’t be surprised when you’re not welcomed as an ally in their spaces.
“like anti-male bias in the media, fighting Title IX, Marriage, child support, shared parenting, boys are failing in primary schools, making government programs gender-neutral (VAWA), getting rid of the idea that all men are rapists, anonymity in rape accusations, combating paternity fraud.”
Okay, let’s go through that list
-anti-male bias in the media, yes, that field of almost total and complete male domination (there has been a grand total of what, one female newsanchor on primetime network tv, producers, directors, show writers, etc. are massively male dominated, shows have more male protagonists and more male speaking characters by far on average)
-Title IX-so you are against the act calling for equality in educational opportunities?
-Marriage, sure, let’s get rid of marriage as a legal and social institution, I like that XD (probably not what you were thinking…)
-child support, how exactly is this an issue? What is wrong with child support?
-shared parenting, okay, in theory, can work well in at least some cases
-“boys are failing in primary schools” This isn’t true. It is later that the discrepancies mainly arise. Also, a quick look at gendered wealth gaps will advise you that women have more economic incentive to complete education that men don’t need to make comparable amounts of money (a woman with a high school diploma does not make more on average than a man without one)
-making government programs gender-neutral (VAWA), VAWA has been totally gender neutral in provisions for quite some time
-“getting rid of the idea that all men are rapists” I don’t really think this idea that all men are rapists exists too much among anyone but a small group of misogynists who are generally pro-rape.
-“anonymity in rape accusations” NEVER occurs under US laws and never has either. Wtf are you talking about here?
-“combating paternity fraud” Define this, explain what you see as reasonable measures.
PS, I hazard that the reason people’s minds jumped to sex tourism and child abuse is because this is a thread about sexual abuse of children…
Brandon:
I’ve pretty much never seen a feminist group say men are not welcome, but nor have I seen any where men in fact weren’t welcome.
If you mean that men’s issues aren’t welcome, and people who wish to raise gender issues aren’t welcome to focus on men, that’s true, but I think it’s a bit circumscribed on your part to assume men can’t or won’t advocate for women, just as there are women who advocate for men. And I’m not sure that “feminists advocate for women” is a bug.
Perhaps, but I’m not sure whining about the ebil feminists qualifies.
Brandon:
Right now, in 2011, equality benefits women. The equality agenda benefits women. So I suppose the actual words you used are true, in an extremely literal way.
Brandon (the hits just keep on coming):
I wonder what he’s going to say when the answer turns out to be perfectly reasonable. Probably find one sentence that can be read as unreasonable without context and complain about it.
AntZ:
Not being allowed to print my own $100 bills = man-hate. Whenever I have to pay for something in a store instead of walking out with it, I feel just a little more ground down by the system. The law against driving a train drunk*? Totally sexist.
*18 USC §342
I have seen bigger protests outside Planned Parenthood in Massacusetts than anywhere else I’ve been.
The hell? Cool off period? Do they think this is WOW and they’re using a spell or something?
Pretty sure the term comes from gun control law