If at first you don’t succeed, grope her
This might work, actually.
Say what you will about the dedicated PUAs (Pick-Up Artists) of the world: at least they sometimes actually talk to real human women. The guys in Reddit’s Seduction subreddit, I’m not so sure about.
It’s kind of sad, sometimes, to read the plaintive requests for advice on Seddit (as it’s known) from college guys who’ve fixated on some girl in some class of theirs, and want desperately to learn the secret formula to get into her pants. These aren’t guys who’ve mastered the art of “negging” women with clever little mini-insults (a favorite PUA technique); these are guys who haven’t quite grasped that you have to actually talk to a woman in order to ask her out.
Take this query, recently posted there:
My suggestion?
Write “coffee?” on your forehead, and stand in front of her. Point at your forehead if necessary.
So, yeah, I’ve been banned from Seddit.
Look, I feel for the guy. I’ve been that guy.
But just think of it from the point of view of the girl. Some guy you’ve never spoken to, some guy who doesn’t know a thing about you other than you make him feel funny in his pants, approaches you out of the blue and … slips you a note?
But really, the problem there isn’t the note. Well, part of the problem is the note, But the main problem is that college dude has never spoken to her before. As anyone who has watched Seinfeld knows well, “coffee” means “sex.” Going up to a woman you’ve never spoken to before and asking her out is a bit like saying “hi, you make me feel funny in my pants. I would like to put my penis in you. Perhaps we could chat a bit first. Though, clearly, I don’t care what’s in your actual brain, because here I am asking you out based on nothing more than the fact that you cause that aforementioned feeling in my pants.”
Pro-tip for lonely guys: remember that women are actual human beings also.
Now, this poor Sedditor got some good basic advice from the crowd there, basically boiling down to: figure out an excuse to talk to her before class, and see how it goes.
Now, Seddit may be mildly useful in giving this sort of basic advice to the truly hapless. But it doesn’t seem to be very good at getting across the notion that women are human.
Indeed, there was a strikingly similar question posted in Seddit a couple of days ago: a guy who wanted to ask out the only girl in his engineering class. His post, in stark contrast with the note guy, was bristling with PUA acronyms and lingo: the girl was an “HB8” (Hot Babe that he rated an 8 of 10 on the hotness scale); he was on the lookout for IOSs (Indications of Interest) from her, and so on and so on.
But his strategy was strikingly similar to that of the AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) with the note: he was going to walk up to her after class and ask her out for dinner. But he was planning to add one more “technique” to his approach: “kino.” In PUA-speak, kino means touch.
So, yeah, that’s what he learned from all his study of advanced PUA-oloogy: just start touching her! Women are eager to jump into bed with guys who come up to them out of the blue and start groping them. (The post itself was deleted after it got linked to in the ShitRedditSays subreddit, so no link.)
Trouble is, this guy is not the only one getting the message that Pick-up artistry is all about invading a woman’s personal space and “escalating” until she literally fights you off or given is. This is, in fact, the basic message of the PUA who calls himself Gunwich – a man who not that long ago (allegedly) shot a woman I the face after she refused his advances.
And, yes, pressuring a woman until she gives in, or up, is one way of getting in her pants. It’s also, you know, rape.
In recent days a number of Sedditers have posted advice that is little more than a how-to of date rape. A number of instances were pointed out in ShitRedditSays, and were deleted by the Seddit moderators. It’s clear this is damage control; a number of regulars on ShitRedditSays have been banned from posting in Seddit – many of whom had actually never posted there in the first place.
Here’s a discussion of one copy-and pasted date rape guide that got deleted before anyone made a screencap.
The Seddit mods say this is “fringe” stuff that doesn’t reflect how most Sedditors think. Then how is it that some of the creepiest comments get dozens of upvotes? Take this Sedditor’s advice on how to get inside a woman’s house (and then her pants) that I managed to screencap before it was deleted:
Now, there is plenty of PUA material that is not rapey. Manipulative, sure. Dopey, absolutely. But not rapey. A good Pick-Up Artist, in theory at least, should be able to tell when a woman is interested and when she isn’t, and move on when she isn’t.
But it’s clear that many Sedditors aren’t learning that whole “if she’s not interested, move on” thing. They’re learning: “if she’s not interested, pressure her and manipulate her, and wear her down. And be sure to touch her. Sorry, “kino escalate.”
They’re not learning empathy. They’re learning stupid human tricks. And, worse, they’re learning to ignore a woman’s “no,” to treat it as what PUAs call LMR – that is, Last Minute Resistance. And that’s pretty much a formula for date rape.
Posted on September 2, 2011, in creepy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, nice guys, PUA, rape, rapey, reddit, sexual harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 858 Comments.
I can tell you one thing absolutely accurately, Samuel. You do not understand where I am coming from. You know nothing about me, and have misunderstood my question about your definition of rape.
If a person rapes another person, and does not penetrate that person with his penis, is it still rape and is it still devastating? Is the penis the only thing that causes distress and humiliation? Or is it, you know, the lack of consent and violation of autonomy?
Your substituting a “happy penis” with a “happy heart” to me means you place the root of all evil with the penis and men’s desire for sex. I can tell you that feminists absolutely do not agree that men’s desire is wrong in itself, and that they should just stop feeling it.
And seriously, “just be careful out there”? We’re fully aware of what’s out there, including condescending prats like you.
Women here like Redlocker Joanna Pam Ozy Holly Ami Hellkel and others tell me these cats aren’t cool dudes cmon be honest
The second video is better. If you women and men here have like 6 minutes check it out. It is just a bunch of dudes raising money on a weekend charity event against sexual violence against women.. The video shows mostly dudes working with a few females. This is an awesome organization. I’m in it. These cats rock!!!
Okay, this is starting to border on spam.
NOMAS is a bunch of cool dudes. They’re feminists. They have nothing to do with MRAs, the MRM, or MGTOW movements.
I’m going out shopping now so please pardon me if I’m not around to respond to bizarre non sequiters, copy-pastes, and proclamations that you don’t have sex or talk to women because you think your sexual interest will irretrievably soil them.
Felixbc wrote “And seriously, “just be careful out there”? We’re fully aware of what’s out there, including condescending prats like you.”
Condescending Prats I CANNOT WIN. Here I am a masculine guy, a strong man, who is simply against sexism for both genders. If I say I hate women and their just sexual objects I am hateful. If I say I do not wish to sexually objectify women anymore, I am a condescending Prat.? WTF
Well fortunately, There are women that support NOMAS and Love NOMAS, I have a women even part of my blog that loves NOMAS. Many women Love NOMAS and do not consider NOMAS guys condescending.
Shame on you Felix, why do you feel so threatened by NOMAS? They are a cool bunch of dudes.
Samuel: When you post comments here, they don’t disappear after someone else posts. Repeating yourself accomplishes nothing but giving everyone else a weird sense of déjà vu.
And dude, you don’t see women as people. If anything, you see women as a single person, as evidenced in the What Women Want post on your blog (http://amangoinghisownway2112.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/what-women-want/; I’m not even going to risk HTML there) where, to paraphrase, you’re all, “Women like gay men*, but women shame men by calling them anti-gay slurs! I don’t understand!”
You seem literally incapable of grasping the fact that women aren’t all essentially identical, or the concept that what one woman does or says is only the actions or words of that one woman. I wouldn’t want my daughter anywhere near someone who might very well show up at her door one day yelling at her for hating queer folks because some random other woman was being a bigot.
* For generalization-happy reductionist reasons, I might add.
Samuel, don’t play the “I condescended to feminists, ignored the things they said, talked about how I don’t even talk to women because of my bizarre hang-ups… and then they were MEAN to me! I GUESS MRAS WERE RIGHT AND FEMINISTS WERE JUST MEANIES ALL ALONG!” game.
We’ve seen it before and we’re not that impressed.
Samuel: Where in Felix’s comment does he say anything about NOMAS?
Silly Feyline, Samuel “understands” where I’m “coming from” so any definition of what the hell he thinks I’m responding to must in fact be the correct one. He’s talking endlessly about NOMAS, so I must be referencing that.
Samuel, one more time for the hard of reading: Your comment (repeated twice) that us women should just be careful out there, ’cause we don’t know about men and their horny, horny appendages that just want to get laid, is condescending. That you seem to think women are stupid and clueless about the world, while you are much, much wiser, makes me think you are a prat.
(ps I prefer female pronouns)
“Women, I am absolutely not against sex. Sex is god given beautiful loving. However, spiritually when you sleep around with too many men ( I am not implying women here do that) but you sleeping with every other woman he slept with.”
I laughed SO HARD when I read this. Man Boobz is full of sluts, yo. :P (And people from everywhere else on the sexual-asexual spectrum). I’ve slept with THIRTY PEOPLE! OMG, Samuel, am I past the “too many” mark???
“I think sex is beautiful, The problem is sex can become an addiction. An orgasm produces so much endorphins is as god of feeling as probably cocaine or other drugs are. It can be addicting. You can be in bondage to sex. I mean sex controlling you, not the other way around.”
Is sex addiction even a real thing? People seem to use it a lot more to prop up abstinence-only programs than anything else, which has made me think it’s just propaganda.
“I mean I am not perfect but I ask you this if you had a daughter would you rather have her date a guy like me who is going o see her as a human being with fears, hobbies,likes,dislikes, sense of humor or a typical unconscious dude like the PUA bullshit who just sees body parts and nothing else.”
Samuel, my man, you REALLY need to use another phrase than “unconscious dude”. I am imagining a bunch of guys sleepwalking and falling into someone’s vagina, or having a wet dream standing up.
NWO said
But by law, your “feelings” at any particular point in time determine what constitutes sexual assault. Even retroactively. Womens law clearly states that any woman can “enthusiastically” have sex with a man and even years later suddenly “feel” that she was raped. Ayiyiyi, she could being enthusiastically swinging
from the rafters like a crazed ape on PCP and still claim it was date rape years later
Dude you nailed it!!!. That is why MRA’s must stick together no matter what our individual differences are.
NWO implied that feminists like the PUA movement. If they do what a damn shame that they like these stupid obsequious idiots to women.The embarrass me as an independent man who answers to no one. I absolutely refuse to change my personality to play “game” to meet a women or get laid. I would rather stay celibate.Fortunately I found that many women agree with what I say on other sites.
Yes some men are afraid to have sex inasmuch as the can be accused to be rapists any time at the womens whim. So dudes are choosing celibacy or even homosexuality. What a shame in a way.,
NWO said “But by law, your “feelings” at any particular point in time determine what constitutes sexual assault. Even retroactively. Womens law clearly states that any woman can “enthusiastically” have sex with a man and even years later suddenly “feel” that she was raped. Ayiyiyi, she could being enthusiastically swinging from the rafters like a crazed ape on PCP and still claim it was date rape years later
Dude you nailed it. That is why we MRA’s must stick together despite our individual MRA viewpoints.
NWO also implied that many feminists like the PUA movement. What an outrage.
I think the PUA guys are a bunch of obsequious to women shills who make all men look like idiots.
As an independent Bachelor I absolutely refuse to change myself for any woman. If I have to change my personality to play “game” in order to meet a woman or get laid, that is a disgrace.
NWO implied that at any time a woman can accuse a man of rape while having sex. This is why men are choosing celibacy nowadays or even homosexuality. What a freaking shame he rape laws that favor females.
“I absolutely refuse to change my personality to play “game” to meet a women or get laid. I would rather stay celibate.”
Um, Samuel? You might want to rethink that…
Oh goody, Samuel’s back!
To recap, Sammy:
– Semen is not magic and it does you no good to retain it. This is a fading but still popular pseudo-scientific belief, and it would benefit you to do a little research into human physiology before you make pronouncements about the health effects of ejaculation;
– Sexual desire and/or sexual activity is not inherently soiling or degrading for a person of any sex or gender;
– We’re really happy that you understand that rape is bad, but you seem iffy on the difference between consensual sex and rape. Basically: rape = bad – a horrible and damagin thing to do to another person; consensual sex between legal adults = generally speaking, good;
– Rutee and Magpie are women; and
– You still write like a Turkish spambot.
Oh, and I can’t remember who said upthread that Samuel wasn’t doing anyone a favour by GHOW, but I would like to respectfully disagree. I think he’s doing us an enormous favour by not buttonholing us in bars and regaling us with his sperm theories in public. How awkward would *that* be?
“Oh, and I can’t remember who said upthread that Samuel wasn’t doing anyone a favour by GHOW, but I would like to respectfully disagree. I think he’s doing us an enormous favour by not buttonholing us in bars and regaling us with his sperm theories in public. How awkward would *that* be?”
SO SO AWKWARD!
Samuel, of all the people giving you advice here, the one you’re listening to is NWOslave? Can’t begin to tell you what a bad idea that is.
Well now I can’t figure out if he’s being sarcastic (which is mostly my optimism speaking, seeing as he’s called himself and NWO MRA leaders in the past), or if he’s just taking what NWO says seriously as a way to throw a tantrum because we’re being SO MEAN to the poor man who’s God’s gift to women by virtue of refusing to sex us up.
*penny drops*
Oh, or maybe he’s actually taking him seriously. Boy, do I have my The World Is Rainbows and Butterflies blinders on today.
“So dudes are choosing celibacy or even homosexuality.”
Samuel, if you know any completely straight guys (as opposed to bi guys) who “made” themselves gay, I’d like to hear about them. I think some Republicans would be interested as well.
If your sex partners regularly accuse you of raping them, then perhaps celibacy is the way to go – homosexuality is out, since men can (and do) rape other men. Seriously, if it’s that hard for you to tell when someone actually wants to have sex with you, you’re better off not participating.
And if you think the current rape laws of pretty much anywhere favour women I’d hate to see what you thought fair rape laws would be.
Molly, I got into a very awkward conversation in a bar once with a dude who wouldn’t stop telling me about this system he’d invented. He was really vague on what the “system” was, only that it helped people focus on their goals and meet them.
“Tell you what,” he said, “I’ll give you one.”
And he put a perfectly ordinary flat pebble in my hand.
He also gave me the “pamphlet”, which was 40 pages of photocopied new age scribbling.
I thanked him and left. What else could I do? I think I still have the rock somewhere. At least it didn’t involve semen!
(And no, NWO, he did not attempt to buy me a drink and I didn’t ask for one. My husband was there the whole time, and I was dressed very modestly.)
Samuel, please show where on this board -not where NWO asserted- but actually where on this board any feminist has said that they “like the PUA movement.” Then substantiate NWO’s claims, and your support of those claims.
And if you can’t do that, kindly Go Your Own Way.
You know what’s my favorite part of the repeated MRA confusion of my gender?
They’re the ones who keep saying all feminists are lesbians. It boggles the mind.
Also, the “You’re sleeping with everyone your partner has slept with” thing isn’t for ‘spiritual’ reasons, you stupid tit. It’s for health ones; it’s why getting tested is so important if you’re actively having sex.
Sex addiction isn’t even in the DSM – it was *removed* because there was so little evidence.
Assuming I ever had kids, which would be a horrible idea, neither of you would be acceptable. You’re bullheaded stupid and objectify women just as much, as you’ve made clear with your reasons for GYOW; You’ve made it abundantly clear you can only see women as sex bots in person. Your solution was to stop speaking to women; possibly an improvement, but it doesn’t make you remotely datable.
Also, Samuel, NOMAS is fine; you are not.
kristinmh, I don’t even know what to do with that story, except to say that you go to far more… interesting… bars than I do. :P
I know some people who are far more into “woo woo” than I am, but at least they don’t package it like *that*!
Oh motherfucking hell he made the sexual orientation is a choice claim again.
Samuel, you fucking idiot, your sexual orientation is not up for being chosen, you motherfucking ignorant jackass. Sexual orientation is innate; You can choose how you express it, but it is NOT, by any means, a choice; nobody chooses the bullshit that comes with being gay. There is no evidence for that jackassery; None whatsoever. The only credible explanation of sexuality is that it is innate, and it’s the only one that stands up to the evidence.
A man is expected to have lots of heterosexual sex and always to be on the chase for it. If he’s not, he’s not a “real man”, and considered less masculine. This pressure can make sex a lot less pleasurable.
That is why (temporary) celibacy can be so liberating for a man. Then you have the time to sort out inner desire from outside pressure, feel secure in your masculity without the need to be validated by sex and know that when you have sex, it is because you really want it.
@Molly Ren
“I laughed SO HARD when I read this. Man Boobz is full of sluts, yo. (And people from everywhere else on the sexual-asexual spectrum). I’ve slept with THIRTY PEOPLE! OMG, Samuel, am I past the “too many” mark???”
So true! Da crew is exactly a sack of sluts and nothing more. You just expect to be treated with dignity and respect for proudly acting undignified and desrespectful. You’re a whore. So expect to be treated like one.
Sitting there typing how them bad ole PUAs treat women like objects is laughable. You’re a fuckdoll with a pulse. That’s all you are. So that’s what you’ll be treated like. What? You want to be praised for being a whore?
Here is what you are, this is your descirption of yourself from your very own blog.
“Molly Ren isn’t an advice columnist or a sex educator. She is simply a writer who hopes her blogging will help people feel a little less ashamed about their fetishes. She has been a Fleshbot featured writer, participated in two DC KinkForAll unconferences, and been interviewed about feederism by SexIs Magazine.”
So when you rile about men treating women like nothing more than a piece of meat warm enough to fuck, what else is there? There isn’t anything else to “know” about you or any woman like you. You’re simply a hole to fuck, which you proudly promote.
Attention whores like you are all the same. Look at me! Look at me! I’m so progressive. I’m breaking all the rules. So when men look at women like you as nothing but an object to fuck, that’s because that’s all you are. You won’t be respected, you won’t be praised, you won’t be admired. In order to be treated like something more than a hole where a man shoves his dick you have to actually “be” more than that. And you’re not. Now go spread your legs for the 31st guy and wonder why you’re not respected and you’re treated as nothing more that a fuck doll. Cause it’s a mystery.
But by law, your “feelings” at any particular point in time determine what constitutes sexual assault.
But NWO… by your assertions men commit sexual assault because they are aroused and then frustrated by women. How can you claim that rape and sexual assault are caused by by women purposefully “expressing their sexuality” (your exact words) by being alluring to men, thus causing sexual frustration which inevitably leads men to being unable to control themselves — while simultaneously maintaing that most women are lying about sexual assault.
Now, you aren’t very bright. But even you must recognize that these two ideas are in direct contradiction.
“So when men look at women like you as nothing but an object to fuck, that’s because that’s all you are. You won’t be respected, you won’t be praised, you won’t be admired. In order to be treated like something more than a hole where a man shoves his dick you have to actually “be” more than that. And you’re not. Now go spread your legs for the 31st guy and wonder why you’re not respected and you’re treated as nothing more that a fuck doll. Cause it’s a mystery.”
What a said, empty person you are.
And to think, you’re convinced that “feminism” is the cause of you failures and loneliness.
You’re a despicable piece of shit. If I didn’t want sex trafficking to end entirely I’d want you to take the place of one of the coerced women, so you would understand what the fuck you’re talking about with this shit. So Molly Ren has had sex; so what? What in the flying fuck makes you think that she’s somehow less of a person than a guy who’s had sex with 30 women is?
Yes, but then, NWO is a lying sack of stupid. Who cares what he implied? (Unless you’re keeping track of it so you can make fun of it later.)
Oh, about rape laws that favor females: Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahah.
That’s hilarious, man. Do you mean the part where rape victims are still regularly quizzed about how they were pretty much to blame for their rape, or the part where juries won’t believe it happened unless there’s some pretty nice vaginal tearing to back it up, or the part where if the accused says it was consensual, the police throw up their hands in confusion and close the file?
Kristinmh: That story reminds me of the guy who cornered me in a bar and wanted to give me some wolf energy. Good times, good times.
See? Too damned early in the morning and I can’t close my quotes.
@Nobinayamu
“But by law, your “feelings” at any particular point in time determine what constitutes sexual assault.
But NWO… by your assertions men commit sexual assault because they are aroused and then frustrated by women. How can you claim that rape and sexual assault are caused by by women purposefully “expressing their sexuality” (your exact words) by being alluring to men, thus causing sexual frustration which inevitably leads men to being unable to control themselves — while simultaneously maintaing that most women are lying about sexual assault.
Now, you aren’t very bright. But even you must recognize that these two ideas are in direct contradiction.”
Not at all princess. It’s the feminist mantra. And it works soooo well. A woman sexually arouses a man, then at her leisure, depending on how she “feels” she has choices. Maybe use her sex to get freebies. Maybe laugh with her girlgang at the stupid man who can’t control his “sex.” Maybe use her sex to have another man beat him up for calling her a bitch. Maybe “hollaback” and have him slapped on the sexual offender list. It’s a veritable schmorgesborg of options all depending on her “feelings” at any moment in time. She can use the violence of other men, the State, or even her own and be praised as “empowered!” Yet still claim “victimhood!”
Elements of Rape:
1) The male accused must have had sex with a woman
2) There must be absolute proof that this was non-consensual
2a) If the suspect was black, and the victim white that shall be held as absolute proof that the penetration was non-consensual barring a signed statement by the victim that this wasn’t the case.
2b) If the victim has never had sex, and wore modest clothing (But none of those fuzzy sweaters, those are hot), then that shall be held as proof
2c) Videotape’s fine. Make sure to leak it
2d) A weapon is acceptable.
3) All sex is assumed to be consensual (Unless condition 2a is met), unless the victim fought back against the attacker with violence. Consenting to have sex due to physical threat is still consent, don’t talk to me about Duress.
I actually wrote that up in proper legal language once, but I’ve since lost it, and didn’t feel like oding it htis time.
Protip: Only one point in there favors women, and it’s that male victims can’t get taken seriously (Nor can victims of female rapists).
NWO, I realize that women are wholly uninterested in you and, as a result, you cannot fathom any interactions with women that are positive. When you haven’t experienced it directly, it must be all but impossible to imagine scenarios in which women enjoy the company of men, or one man in particular. You’ve proven, amply, that you aren’t really certain how consensual sex with a woman even works.
But that isn’t what I asked you.
You claim, repeatedly, that men sexually assault women because they’re sexually frustrated by women. You also claim that women are almost always lying about being sexually assaulted.
How are these two ideas not contradictory?
@Bee
Laws for just rape.
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/rape-laws-no-due-process
Due process; (haha) that’s for women, not men.
I don’t recall any of the women here, myself included, saying or implying that the people involved with NOMAS are not cool dudes. I can’t speak for any of the other women here, but I know that you don’t have to sell me on the idea that NOMAS is a worthwhile organization…. you might, however, have to sell your good pals Paul Elam and NWOslave on that idea.
Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder if the NOMAS site has any articles about Father’s rights……… oh, here’s one!!!
Want To Be A Good Dad? Support Mom And Avoid Father’s Rights Groups
Samuel, do you actually know ANYTHING about the groups/organizations with which you choose to affiliate or the persons here with whom you so enthusiastically agree? Here, I’ll give you a small example…
You said that you almost cried when you read Shesaidwhut’s post, that it was harrowing. A portion of her post said, “…never having to have dealt with your boyfriend pressuring you and pressuring you and pressuring you, until you just couldn’t take it anymore and decided to lie back and think of England.
I bet it’s really nice, never having to deal with the way society will treat you over something like that.”
Well, Samuel, do you know the way society will treat someone over something like that? Here, let me refer you to a portion of NWOslave’s post as one example of how society will treat someone over something like that, “But by law, your “feelings” at any particular point in time determine what constitutes sexual assault. Even retroactively. Womens law clearly states that any woman can “enthusiastically” have sex with a man and even years later suddenly “feel” that she was raped. Ayiyiyi, she could being enthusiastically swinging from the rafters like a crazed ape on PCP and still claim it was date rape years later.
And what was your response, Samuel, to NWOslave’s comment that I quoted above? Here, let me quote you on that one, “Dude you nailed it. That is why we MRA’s must stick together despite our individual MRA viewpoints.” I’ll bet those tears of yours dried up awful quick when NWOslave came along to straighten you out!!
Kristinmh said
Semen is not magic and it does you no good to retain it. This is a fading but still popular pseudo-scientific belief, and it would benefit you to do a little research into human physiology before you make pronouncements about the health effects of ejaculation;
– Sexual desire and/or sexual activity is not inherently soiling or degrading for a person of any sex or gender;
Kristinmh, I’m a dude. Your not I know when I have been celibate even refraining from masturbation I feel more energy focused. I cannot explain it. The penis is a chakra(look it ip on wiki) it is a powerful energy. It is my seed. When I preserve semen I feel alive energetic creative artistic masculine stronger. Think of dudes that fall asleep after sex it drains you when you release semen. Plus I am saving my seed and If I ever decide to geina relationship again I will have a raging erection No viagra or cialis for me
@Nobinayamu
Questions, questions, questions. Why do I always answer them? Well here’s one for you. Can, and do women do all the things I mentioned above?
NWO, I always answer your questions. You ignore the answers. But I always answer them. In fact, in this very thread I responded to your bullshit assertion that your regendered version of Doctress Julia’s post was misogynistic. You’ve yet to even acknowledge that.
So, no, I will not answer your question until you answer mine:
You claim, repeatedly, that men sexually assault women because they’re sexually frustrated by women. You also claim that women are almost always lying about being sexually assaulted.
How are these two ideas not contradictory?
“A dictionary is completely fucking inadequate for describing what rape is”
You can’t be serious. Words mean shit, you can’t just make up the definitions as you go along especially when they’re things that are a crime. No I’m going to go with people who actually know what the hell they’re talking about rather than your appeal to emotion laden no substance rant. Just cause it gave you flashbacks or PTSD or whatever doesn’t mean it’s rape and you don’t get to redefine rape to make it so.
Ooo, pick me, I can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo
Chakra is bullshit; actual tests have demonstrated it. Traditional medicine is all bullshit. Every single region has had this shit. It’s all wrong.
Good sex is tiring, but it’s not because your semen has woo powers; it’s because good sex uses most or all of your body for prolonged periods.
That’s really not how it works.
Also, for the record, you almost never answer any questions. You usually just prattle on and on, occasionally choosing to give ridiculous responses to the handful of questions you can wrap that pea-sized brain of yours around and ignoring everything else.
And that’s when you’re not saying shit so outrageously idiotic that Shaenon has to add it to your “big book of knowledge”.
Spanish and Russian use the same alphabet?
samuel2112, you sound suspiciously like those guys into CBT. You might want to look it up, so that you can see how much sex has fuck-all to do with penetration.
Also, wow, the trolls on here don’t even bother to click on my blog usually. I seem to have really gotten to NWO for having sex without him.
Rutee: That’s actually pretty hilarious. And sadly accurate.
Slaveman: Yes, you’re absolutely right. It’s a crying shame that rape victims are no longer required to show earnest resistance, that their sexual histories can no longer be brought into the courtroom (as much), that spousal rape is a crime, that witness corroboration is no longer necessary, and that rape shield laws exist. That the effect of all that has been an even lower rate of successful prosecution because of stagnant social beliefs about rate is a godsend and a miracle for nice men such as yourself.
Samuel from the future: I’m just curious; how are you “in” NOMAS? Have you donated money to them to become a member, at least?
That should have read “Traditional <foo> medicine”, let’s see if it works this time. If not, fuck it, the point is everyone had stupid ideas about what works to fix bodies for most of human history.
Pam wrote ” There are MRA’s who concern themselves with Father’s rights such as Mr. Paul Elam. I love that guy. We are on the same page.
Hmmmmmmmmm, I wonder if the NOMAS site has any articles about Father’s right
Pam dammit I will go to my fucking grave defending NOMAS as a solid MRA organization.Fucking solid. The MRA movement is NOT MONOLITHIC. For example, I do not agree with everything NWO slave agrees with he may not agree with me however we are both effective MRA Leaders.
I am as harsh on my fellow mra’s at times. If you filled a room with MRA’s there would be arguing.Just like there are different movements of feminism.
If feminism is just stating (I did not know this until I read a bit about feminism)
equal rights what the fuck is wrong with that? The term feminazi is for the extreme wings.
I fucking love Paul Elam,I love the Spearhead. I am friends with some of those spearhead cats,They are cool guys. NOMAS rocks, They are hardcore MRA with a feminist tilt.
Actually I think the old school feminists like Ms. Betty Friedan who was radical. In 1963 she wrote the feminist mystique a radical book she was courageous. She spoke out against sex roles and norms that hindered women just like some MRA’s are doing today.
I thimk Ms. Friedan would be rolling around her grave if she saw what became of feminists today with the slut walk, I do not consider the new feminism like the slut walk feminism.
Ms. Friedan was the bomb. She was fuckin radical. Ms.Friedan was an WGTOW
“Just cause it gave you flashbacks or PTSD or whatever doesn’t mean it’s rape and you don’t get to redefine rape to make it so.”
Oooh, look! A definition of the effects of rape!
“Victims of rape can be severely traumatized by the assault and may have difficulty functioning as well as they had been used to prior to the assault, with disruption of concentration, sleeping patterns and eating habits, for example. They may feel jumpy or be on edge. After being raped, it is common for the victim to experience acute stress disorder, including symptoms similar to those of posttraumatic stress disorder…”
Slothy, you can say that PTSD can be caused by many things (being in a war zone, witnessing a murder, being in a natural disaster) but you can’t really get away with saying they’re entirely unconnected.
Samuel, are you going to acknowledge Pam’s comments about your support of NWOs assertions?
“The MRA movement is NOT MONOLITHIC. For example, I do not agree with everything NWO slave agrees with he may not agree with me however we are both effective MRA Leaders.”
Do you get to be a faction if you’re only one person?
Paul Elam’s a voice for men actually has a pro feminist aspect on an article on the Zeta Male. I am a zeta male. The quote from a voice for men
” One of the few things feminism got right was the abundance of options that it gave to women. Now that men are starting to analyse all this more objectively, many are coming to a completely different view of their roles. When looking in comparison men have started to decide that how much life sucks as a man. Now, a growing number of men want options, too.”
Article source http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/so-what-the-fuck-is-a-zeta-male-anyway/
Elam rocks
Slavey, you are a huge misandrist for claiming men can’t control themselves. This is nothing new for you, but I’d like to remind you that your stupid and clearly don’t give a shit about mens rights.
Molly said Do you get to be a faction if you’re only one person?
WTF?
samuel2112, you’re the ONLY GUY WE’VE EVER MET ONLINE who defines “MGTOW” as “not hating on women”. How can you have all this pity for women who have been raped, and yet love shit like the Spearhead?
Get your fucking crocodile tears off this site, ya slimeball.
Bee said Samuel from the future: I’m just curious; how are you “in” NOMAS? Have you donated money to them to become a member, at least?
Absolutely I donated money. I am in the process of starting a chapter in my hometown.I was on the phone with the NOMAS director in Colorado we had a blast on the phone for a while.
Feyline asked
Samuel: Where in Felix’s comment does he say anything about NOMAS?
Feyline I really meant that Felix calling me a condescending prat means I cannot win.
If I say women are just tits and ass I am considered a male chauvinist pig. If I say I refuse to sexually objectify women anymore and desire to see women as human beings only
I am considered a condescending prat. I mentioned NOMAS because NOMAS is against sexism. In my opinion sexually objectifying women as lust objects to possess not people is a form of sexism.
“you can’t really get away with saying they’re entirely unconnected.”
I never said that, I said PTSD doesn’t make it rape.
Rutee, thanks for taking down the semen woo. Nice and exhaustive.
I’d just like to add:
Sammy, you feel tired after sex because sex burns calories, like all activities where you move your body and your heart rate is elevated. It is not, I repeat, NOT because your Manly Man Man essence has been drained away.
You see, women feel tired after sex too. How can your Grand Unifying Theory Of Semen explain this? Our gametes are not released during sex, so it can’t be that we are squandering our Womanly Essence. This is a major hole in your theory that you have not addressed
I feel my Aerobic Exercise Theory is the simplest explanation for post-sex tiredness in all sexes and genders. However our reproductive tracts are organized, we all burn calories when we exercise. Occam’s Razor!
“PTSD doesn’t make it rape”
So, if they haven’t been in a war zone, why do they have PTSD? Think a little bit… or do you think people can have PTSD for no reason at all?
@Nobinayamu
“You claim, repeatedly, that men sexually assault women because they’re sexually frustrated by women. You also claim that women are almost always lying about being sexually assaulted.”
If I must, even though you didn’t answer me.
Women sexually frustrating men thru the constant bombardment of female sexuality is how women build the finest violent rapists in the world. And of course the vast majority of violent rapists come from female led households. The feminists paradise. Think of where I said as a few of womens many options, “A woman sexually arouses a man, then at her leisure, depending on how she “feels” she has choices. Maybe use her sex to get freebies. Maybe laugh with her girlgang at the stupid man who can’t control his “sex.” Maybe use her sex to have another man beat him up for calling her a bitch. Maybe “hollaback” and have him slapped on the sexual offender list.”
Now I’m sure ya’ll think it’s funny but it really isn’t. See the first two I listed would be the frustration part which women so lovingly craft violent rapists. Here doggie, ya want this, and then pull it away. It’s a fucking riot. The second two would be the lying part, where for shits and grins, or perhaps Molly Ren suddenly “feels” her “dignity” has been besmirched.
Of course in the cases of rape I’m talking about actual rape and not the pretend stuff. Ya know like, we were both drunk so “he” should have known better. Or the, “he treated me like an object.” Or I didn’t flap my wings like a chicken coming out to feed in the morning, signifying absolute “enthusiastic” consent. Or possibly the dreaded “power dynamic.” That one is undefeatable. And of course the, it was “enthusiastic” at the time, but after giving it some thought, it was rape.
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Oh, and as for,
“And to think, you’re convinced that “feminism” is the cause of you failures and loneliness.”
I’m neither a failure nor lonely. I know you believe whatever falls from a womans mouth has value and is therefore true, but it ain’t.
Do tell. Why am “I” a failure. Could it have something to do with women? The only reason you would call me a failure, since this blog is about them bad ole misogynists, would be that I’ve somehow failed women in some way. Is my gospel “loneliness,” (I say gospel because it fell from a womans mouth) also due to my failing women in some way?
Does having sex with Slothy always cause PTSD?
Slothy is probably DOING IT RONG!
Protip: If your partners are suffering from PTSD after sexing you, you’re probably raping them.
Rutee said”Also, the “You’re sleeping with everyone your partner has slept with” thing isn’t for ‘spiritual’ reasons, you stupid tit. It’s for health ones; it’s why getting tested is so important if you’re actively having sex.
Rutee you are amazing. Sex is fucking dangerous.You can get STD’s/
Also read Patrick Carnes book “out of the shadows” on sexual adiction. Look at Tiger Woods he went to sex rehab. Sandra Bullocks husband. Elliot Spitzer., Bill Clinton, Thomas Jefferson, Clarence Thomas, JFK, Clinton and Lewinsky,even MLK had affairs.
Sex Addiction is real. Dudes can spend hours on porn sites and women can buy romance novels or watch porn as well. There are sex rehabs
A man named Patrick Carnes is foremost author on Sex Addiction. I have a friend that goes to SEx and Love Afddicts Anonymous and Sexual Recovery Anonymous
Nobinayu stated “Samuel, are you going to acknowledge Pam’s comments about your support of NWOs assertions?”
What question ask me again. I am sorry I missed it. I am not blowing ya off
Paul Elam is really not pro-feminist at all actually. Unfortunately, we’re not permitted to discuss why, because of the nature of his hatred of feminism. Suffice it to say, he’s not winning you points, shut the hell up.
“Rutee you are amazing. Sex is fucking dangerous.You can get STD’s/”
Samuel, you are amazing. Crossing the street is fucking dangerous. You can get hit by a car/
Slavey, your a failure because: You are a misogynist. You are a misandrist. You can’t do math. You can’t function on any logical basis. It’s pretty clear you are not an engineer, so you are likely a liar. You cherry pick what your responding to, but don’t actually respond. You don’t know how discourse actually works. You are woefully ignorant on linguistics, legal script, cultures, religion, science and many other subjects. Rather then educating yourself, you specifically take a path of resistance because you are far to invested into an ideal of ignorance and blaming feminism. Pretty much everything I just said above can be objectively stated. It is not a matter of opinion, you are these things as you have given no indicative attempts on your own part. You are only vitriol and ignorant.