If at first you don’t succeed, grope her
This might work, actually.
Say what you will about the dedicated PUAs (Pick-Up Artists) of the world: at least they sometimes actually talk to real human women. The guys in Reddit’s Seduction subreddit, I’m not so sure about.
It’s kind of sad, sometimes, to read the plaintive requests for advice on Seddit (as it’s known) from college guys who’ve fixated on some girl in some class of theirs, and want desperately to learn the secret formula to get into her pants. These aren’t guys who’ve mastered the art of “negging” women with clever little mini-insults (a favorite PUA technique); these are guys who haven’t quite grasped that you have to actually talk to a woman in order to ask her out.
Take this query, recently posted there:
My suggestion?
Write “coffee?” on your forehead, and stand in front of her. Point at your forehead if necessary.
So, yeah, I’ve been banned from Seddit.
Look, I feel for the guy. I’ve been that guy.
But just think of it from the point of view of the girl. Some guy you’ve never spoken to, some guy who doesn’t know a thing about you other than you make him feel funny in his pants, approaches you out of the blue and … slips you a note?
But really, the problem there isn’t the note. Well, part of the problem is the note, But the main problem is that college dude has never spoken to her before. As anyone who has watched Seinfeld knows well, “coffee” means “sex.” Going up to a woman you’ve never spoken to before and asking her out is a bit like saying “hi, you make me feel funny in my pants. I would like to put my penis in you. Perhaps we could chat a bit first. Though, clearly, I don’t care what’s in your actual brain, because here I am asking you out based on nothing more than the fact that you cause that aforementioned feeling in my pants.”
Pro-tip for lonely guys: remember that women are actual human beings also.
Now, this poor Sedditor got some good basic advice from the crowd there, basically boiling down to: figure out an excuse to talk to her before class, and see how it goes.
Now, Seddit may be mildly useful in giving this sort of basic advice to the truly hapless. But it doesn’t seem to be very good at getting across the notion that women are human.
Indeed, there was a strikingly similar question posted in Seddit a couple of days ago: a guy who wanted to ask out the only girl in his engineering class. His post, in stark contrast with the note guy, was bristling with PUA acronyms and lingo: the girl was an “HB8” (Hot Babe that he rated an 8 of 10 on the hotness scale); he was on the lookout for IOSs (Indications of Interest) from her, and so on and so on.
But his strategy was strikingly similar to that of the AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) with the note: he was going to walk up to her after class and ask her out for dinner. But he was planning to add one more “technique” to his approach: “kino.” In PUA-speak, kino means touch.
So, yeah, that’s what he learned from all his study of advanced PUA-oloogy: just start touching her! Women are eager to jump into bed with guys who come up to them out of the blue and start groping them. (The post itself was deleted after it got linked to in the ShitRedditSays subreddit, so no link.)
Trouble is, this guy is not the only one getting the message that Pick-up artistry is all about invading a woman’s personal space and “escalating” until she literally fights you off or given is. This is, in fact, the basic message of the PUA who calls himself Gunwich – a man who not that long ago (allegedly) shot a woman I the face after she refused his advances.
And, yes, pressuring a woman until she gives in, or up, is one way of getting in her pants. It’s also, you know, rape.
In recent days a number of Sedditers have posted advice that is little more than a how-to of date rape. A number of instances were pointed out in ShitRedditSays, and were deleted by the Seddit moderators. It’s clear this is damage control; a number of regulars on ShitRedditSays have been banned from posting in Seddit – many of whom had actually never posted there in the first place.
Here’s a discussion of one copy-and pasted date rape guide that got deleted before anyone made a screencap.
The Seddit mods say this is “fringe” stuff that doesn’t reflect how most Sedditors think. Then how is it that some of the creepiest comments get dozens of upvotes? Take this Sedditor’s advice on how to get inside a woman’s house (and then her pants) that I managed to screencap before it was deleted:
Now, there is plenty of PUA material that is not rapey. Manipulative, sure. Dopey, absolutely. But not rapey. A good Pick-Up Artist, in theory at least, should be able to tell when a woman is interested and when she isn’t, and move on when she isn’t.
But it’s clear that many Sedditors aren’t learning that whole “if she’s not interested, move on” thing. They’re learning: “if she’s not interested, pressure her and manipulate her, and wear her down. And be sure to touch her. Sorry, “kino escalate.”
They’re not learning empathy. They’re learning stupid human tricks. And, worse, they’re learning to ignore a woman’s “no,” to treat it as what PUAs call LMR – that is, Last Minute Resistance. And that’s pretty much a formula for date rape.
Posted on September 2, 2011, in creepy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, nice guys, PUA, rape, rapey, reddit, sexual harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 858 Comments.
“Since the regendered version is misogyny extreme, is the original misandry extreme?”
This was already answered by Nobinayamu which you conviniently ignored, but anyway: THE REGENDERED VERSION IS NO MORE OR LESS PROBLEMATIC. Aside from the term ‘crack whore’ isn’t at all equal to ‘strung out on heroin’. Now: what should Doctress Julia have done in this situation that would have satisfied you?
“Of course all this sounds suspicously like, In the begining there was nothing, then the heavens were created, (planets, stars, ect.), then the oceans and land, then the plants, then the fishes, then the animals, and finally man was created. ”
Inorite, what a strange coincidence. Almost like a farily accurate allegory! Or some shit.
“in the begining all the mass of the universe was about the size of a fingernail, (before that they say they don’t know, maybe nothing).”
Just because you don’t know something doesn’t mean you should make up a load of stuff to explain it.
What we are witnessing is NWOslave’s ability to make any statement about men about all men who ever were. He’s hearing “I went to a bar and two guys who looked like they were on drugs hit on me” as “I went to a bar just to sneer at all the men there: they were all dirty crack addicts, because they are men!”
NWO, Doc Julia was trying to make a point about *ageism*: the cultural bias against people that are older/look older than say, 20. Remember, the convo started with people talking about how women are never rejected in dating, so Doc J gave an example of how women are often rejected by not being approached, or after a certain age are only approached by really desperate people.
SO: how do you feel about cultural bias against older men and older women in dating, NWOslave? Do you think getting older means most people get hit on less, no matter the gender? Do you think that’s worth talking about?
But that’s not what’s actually in the bible. The bible has the order of creation entirely wrong. The earth is made before the stars, for god’s sakes. Land animals are made *AFTER* birds. It’s entirely inaccurate, as an allegory. NWO just twisted the correct order into biblical sounding language.
Sigh, stupid religious upbringing and using the same metaphors. “Creation” doesn’t follow the order of the universe’s… well, coming into existence as it’s known.
NWO: If your idea of refutation of the Big Bang, Biogenesis and Evolution (which are three separate things, but we’ll let that stand) is, Before that there was nothing, and where did it come from… then the problem still remains.
Because you are saying, instead, “There was God”.
Where did God come from? How did god come into being?
If you complain that the Model of the Big Bang is full of handwavium (which isn’t something I can speak to, I don’t have the math), then the problem of the existence of God has the same problem.
Pointing to Exodus and saying, “I am that I am” shows God ever was, is nonsense. It’s a glorified version of, “I’m right because I say you’re wrong.”
Moreover, your version makes God to be small, petty and lacking in imagination. I’d rather have a divine figure with the sense of wonder to set up the universe with the ability to make intelligence. To set it in order and see how it all comes out. A “prime mover”, as Newton describes it. The being who set Earth in the Heavens and a gem in a chandelier, and revels in the way it sparkles, as Robert Farrar Capon put it.
I don’t want some miserable God who puts all the evidence to show the world and the universe as we see them, just to trick us. You can keep Him, I’ll take the wonder.
Hi everyone, delurking to say I agree with kysokisaen on the troll thing. I’ve enjoyed reading this blog for awhile but it seems that too often lately threads get hijacked and turned into big bash-fests, or derailed just as the discussion is getting good, by NWO, or Anthony Zarat, or that Juan something guy. I guess one solution would be for everyone to just stop responding to them? They’re obviously doing this to get a rise and comments out of people, that is the classic definition of a troll. And at this point, not even mocking them or demolishing their arguments is fun anymore, because they don’t seem to notice or care, and the damage to the thread is done. Those are just my thoughts anyway, as Mr. Futrelle will do as he thinks best. Back to lurking now.
NWO: The question was simple. Since everyone of you “have” already mocked any ridiculed comments of the regendered version I gave as misogyny, why won’t you do the same for the comment by Doctress Ju’ulia? She didn’t answer the question.
No. No one, in fact has said it was misogynistic.
I’m going to try to put this in simple enough language to prevent you misunderstanding it.
Your version is just fine. If a woman, for whatever reason, hits on you, and you don’t like it, you are, allowed, entitled, encouraged, to say no.
If she offends you, you can say that too.
That is what Nobinayamu said. It’s what Ozy said. It’s what I’d have said if I thought you had the wit, and honesty, to read anything which is directly said to you.
I’ve thought for some time you weren’t lacking in intelligence, just comprehension, that you were so stupefied by the twaddle you’ve absorbed, about “INTERNATIONAL FEMINISM” and ALL CAPS, and The International Bankers, and God know what all else, that the plain facts were too much at odds with your understanding to make much impression.
But this, this is precious. Because they are agreeing with you. Here you have it, your victory over feminism… you have a situation where you can be critical of women and we support you in it.
And you are too stupid to sit back and enjoy your conquest.
NWO: Yes I am, and I’ve explained quite clearly why I am. I’m sure you find it mock-worthy, but since thinking for yourself runs counter to your ideology, I take whatever you say with a grain of salt as well.
This would be funny, if it weren’t so sad. Presented with evidence, on any number of topics, from evolution to law, from finance to lingustics, you have done nothing but parrot the words of others (from ALL CAPS to “THE FED” to, the Rothschilds”, to CREATION), almost all of it without the slightest sense that you investigated any aspect of it.
So much so that you didn’t take the time to see that you were quoting neo-nazis, and didn’t think to look at what, besides being a large family of bankers, who happened to be Jewish (and what about all that proselytising?), also made wine.
But you think that not believing in the Creation as told by your religious books (and what makes your creation story better than the Hindu version?) but instead the more credible (if less exalting of Mankind) story told by a bunch of shepherds in the wilderness?
What made them so special that alone, of all the people in the world, God chose to slip them the Real Deal on how the Deed Was Done?
“The question was simple. Since everyone of you “have” already mocked any ridiculed comments of the regendered version I gave as misogyny, why won’t you do the same for the comment by Doctress Ju’ulia? She didn’t answer the question.”
Actually, not every one of us has. Though if you’d like, I can join the party. Let it never be said that I’m unwilling to participate.
The question has been answered. You choose to continue ignoring that answer. If you can’t accept something as an answer, don’t ask questions.
Rutee: NWO didn’t twist it. Other people have. He’s just parroting the “Creation Science” people who want to make the “Intelligent Design” argument, and use the broadest strokes of Genesis as proof that the two are in accord.
It’s what he considers thinking for himself, sort of like believing in the Illuminati, and the Proselytising Jews.
I think NWO should be limited to one out of five threads, so that those of us who like tangling with him can keep tangling with him, and those of us who don’t can actually talk about relevant topics. Not sure how that could be arranged, though.
“But that’s not what’s actually in the bible. The bible has the order of creation entirely wrong. The earth is made before the stars, for god’s sakes. Land animals are made *AFTER* birds. It’s entirely inaccurate, as an allegory. NWO just twisted the correct order into biblical sounding language.”
Ahh yeh, I’m not really versed on this stuff because basically all my family and friends are non-religious. I should probably fact-check everything NWO says just in case anyway!
Yet another example of NWO’s stupidity. The weeds weren’t modified by man; the crops were. The weeds EVOLVED a resistance to the herbicide because of Monsanto’s agricultural monopoly. Instead of many different herbicides, everyone uses the same one. And the weeds have adapted to survive it.
Same goes with the superbugs. They’ve adapted a resistance to the pesticide that Monsanto has genetically spliced into the corn, in order to survive.
You’re the only one who can’t intelligently debate here.
blitzgal: That’s not fair to NWO, There’s Meller, and TAB, and EWME, and any number of others who are as bad (or worse in their ways) as NWO. Most of them come and go. He has the quality of persistence.
Nwoslave, these are the adjectives Julia used:
Nastiest, dirtiest, slimiest, most toothless, strung out on heroin, drunk ass, heroin junkies
Do they seem like gender specific insults? To me they seem to be insults against drug and alcohol addicts.
You added “whore” to your regendered version which is a gender specific insult.
I’ve decided, fuck that cute girl sitting in class. She can suck my dick (metaphor). I’m tired of that shit. Maybe if the Her Holy Highnesses stopped being treated like Jesus Christ they might get off their fucking asses and make some god damn effort of their own. Then these creepy men might start seeming less creepy, when those arrogant fucking HHHes get an idea of what it’s like to, you know, do something.
I’m sure the cute girl in class is secretly weeping at her missed opportunity, MRAL.
Or, you know, she may never have noticed you but would have no problem speaking to someone who spoke to her. Or maybe she’s shy. Or maybe shes waiting to figure out how to talk to you. Or maybe she has a boyfriend and isn’t particularly interested in anyone in her class. Or maybe she has a girlfriend and Isn’t particularly interested in anyone in her class. Or maybe she’s just really studious.
But you’ve already decided that she’s a stuck up bitch -I’m sorry, a her holy highness- so what do you care?
MRAL, you’re a vile little human, and substituting in an even more biting cipher for ‘bitch’ isn’t acceptable, nor is it how you remove gendered insults from your vocabulary. Women aren’t treated super awesome. Even the conventionally attractive ones suffer somewhat, especially at assumptions of incompetence.
But by all means, stop speaking to women, I’m sure that’ll be appreciated by everyone.
I’m speaking metaphorically, fyi.
I think I’ll continue associating with women, but I’ll merely speak to them as if they were a man. If they don’t like that, too fucking bad.
“Maybe if the Her Holy Highnesses stopped being treated like Jesus Christ”
Seriously where are you getting this? Who is treating us like Jesus Christ? Have you ever, like, read this blog? Do these guys treat us like Jesus?
“I think I’ll continue associating with women, but I’ll merely speak to them as if they were a man.”
You speak to women differently than men? I speak to men and women the same – like PEOPLE. If you’re treating women differently you’re a hypocrite.
Okay?
Considering the way you generally speak of women on this blog, I can’t see how that’d be anything but an improvement.
High five for MRAL! Treating women the way you treat men is exactly how you’re supposed to treat them– like people. :)
You know, treating “her holy highness” as a grammatical isolate (or whatever the proper linguistic term is) makes it REALLY obvious that you’re just using it as a replacement for “bitch.” Like, you really obviously wrote “the bitches” and then changed it “the her holy hignesses” without realizing that makes no sense. It should be “their holy hignesses,” no?
I recommend that you take your therapist’s advice and stop using both “bitch” and “her holy highness.” Instead, when you fele the need to denigrate a woman, put some effort into figuring out what exactly you complaint is. I would much rather hear you complain about
–arrogant women
–spiteful women
–shallow women
–needy women
Or whatever actual character flaw you think these women have. You would actually be making a claim. We could evaluate the accuracy of your claim and whether the women you meet are really like that–and if so, where to find women who aren’t. But if you go off about
Her Holy Hignesses
that means nothing at all to us, except that you’re a jerk.
Well, some of the trolls we get here can be pretty obnoxious, but I don’t think it compares at all to being crucified.
Yeah boy! Old school MRAL in the house, whining about his pathetic banal problems of his own manufacture.
Didn’t he make a puppet called “Jackoffasaur” a while back? Or did I just miss some other loser in the big stew of crazy that has been occurring here, what with SLAVEY upping the ante of his own colossal stupidity by stating that the Latin and Cyrillic alphabets are the same, and JUAN with his Asian(maybe?)-Pedophile-Nazi pride.
That wasn’t a sock. He was going to change his name, but he decided he’s an MRA after all.
I don’t know if treating women like men is an improvement with MRAL; he seems profoundly hostile to everyone, not just women. Then again, that could just be feminists, so perhaps so.
So how exactly does one become an HHH? Is it by sitting there, not engaging you or do they have to actually spit on you first? Because I get the impression from the context of this post that it’s the former, and gosh … I mean, I just generally like to mind my own business and not disturb others in class. How arrogant, right? I mean, if someone engages me I’ll gladly talk to them even if I hate them (although one girl is wearing my patience thin), unless the teacher is talking (in which case I will ignore ignore ignore–I’m paying to listen to the teacher, not you). I guess I’m just a stuck-up c-word. :/
Oh, and if you want multiple opportunities to be forced to talk to girls, taking a foreign language (especially something that lots of girls take, like French) is a great way. You’ll probably have to tell them your name and age and hobbies or weekend plans, so you’ll get a good introduction in as long as you don’t bust out “Je déteste les putains dans cette classe!” suddenly.
MRAL: You want to talk to women like we’re human beings? Go for it!
Maybe MRAL means that women are treated like Jesus was when he was alive. And by that I mean respected by a few, but reviled by the majority and eventually murdered.
“So how exactly does one become an HHH? Is it by sitting there, not engaging you or do they have to actually spit on you first?”
Apparently, being attractive and not dropping to your knees in front of MRAL the moment he passes by means you’re a stuck up bitch. How dare you exist without worshiping him? He’s clearly totally awesome.
Interesting he accuses *women* of acting like they’re Jesus Christ.
Yeah, It’s about time you women stopped walking on water and turning water into wine!
Although the turning water into wine actually sounds pretty good. You could keep doing that.
MRAL, shouldn’t you be back in school, trying to get a life? How’s that going?
But seriously, talking to women like they’re men is progress for you, unless you’re a frothy little shit to men, too. Don’t speak at all if that’s the case.
If MRAL talks to women like he talks to men he’d probably accuse them of being manginas O.o
@Doctress Ju’ulia
“This woman is me. Since I am 36 and very dominant, I am ignored or seen as horrifying.
Or, even better, I get hit on by the nastiest, dirtiest, slimiest, most toothless, strung out on heroin guys in the bar. Seriously. Last night I had not one but TWO drunk-ass heroin junkies try to buy me a drink/get my number. They kept trying to touch me and tell me how ‘beautiful’ I am. Ugh. Nice to know that these are, apparently, the highest quality men I can attract. /s”
“Dominant?” Is that the word feminists use these days? (NO. THAT’S THE WORD I USE, FOR MYSELF. ASS.) What’s even funnier yet is you bitchin about how the cream of the crop of men haven’t fallen at your feet. (OH, THEY DO… BIG MEATY JOCKS AND EGOTISTICAL ‘PROGRESSIVE’ DOUCHEBAGS, AND EVEN MRAS! I JUST FIND THEM BORING. I LIKE NERDY GUYS. AND BIG NOSES. AND FEMINISTS. AND TREKKIES ;)) Particularly since on this very thread, the gangs goes out of it’s way bitch about men whom they assume want super-models to ask them out. (THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE. YOU WANT A FUCKHOLE THAT YOU HATE. I WANT A FRIEND- A PERSON!- WHO I LOVE, WHO I CAN SHARE INTERESTS WITH, AND TALK ABOUT THINGS, AND ALSO HAVE SEX WITH.)
I love your description of any man who doesn’t meet your high standards as well. You must consider yourself a real prize, (WHY NO-, I AM NOT A ‘PRIZE’ I AM A WOMAN, AND A VERY AWESOME ONE. I WOULD TERRIFY YOU IN PERSON! AND I WOULD LOVE IT!) no wonder men can’t live up to your percieved (SPELLING!!) greatness. Speaking of being “bought” drinks and such. How often have you “used” being a woman to gain all those “free” drinks, meals and what ever other goodies you can swindle out of men. (NEVER. I AM AN OLD SCHOOL BARTENDER, AND PEOPLE REMEMBER MY HARD WORK I DO FOR THEM WHEN I AM SITTING ON THE OTHER SIDE. I ALSO BUY LOTS OF DRINKS FOR OTHER PEOPLE. NOT JUST MEN I FIND INTERESTING. DRINKING WITH OTHERS IS FUN, AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE BROKE. THAT’S WHERE I COME IN. :)))
I wanted to try and answer your questions as annoyingly as possible- just for fun! Heehee!
Let mew know if you have any other questions, or if I missed anything that you don’t understand. I’m going for a run! :) Back lat0rz…. :3
Obvs, this is for NWOSlut… lol
MRAL As I recall, your therapist advised you to stop calling women bitches, and you agreed it would be good. But substituting a phrase that clearly MEANS bitches (you know it, we know it), must go against the whole point–i.e. to stop being so angry, if I recall correctly. And no you are not using it metaphorically–I’m an English prof.
Plus, you use a plural form when talking about a single young woman — which means, again, you’re reverting to stereotyping the whole group of women (or at least all those women who don’t throw themselves at your feet) as bitches.
So much for the anger management.
Mew! /leaves for her fucking run already
“I LIKE NERDY GUYS. AND BIG NOSES. AND FEMINISTS. AND TREKKIES ”
You sound awesome! =D
‘Nwoslave, these are the adjectives Julia used:
Nastiest, dirtiest, slimiest, most toothless, strung out on heroin, drunk ass, heroin junkies
Do they seem like gender specific insults? To me they seem to be insults against drug and alcohol addicts.
You added “whore” to your regendered version which is a gender specific insult.’
I know that I came off harsh about the nasty drunken junkie dudes- but both of them kept trying to monopolize my attentions, and both kept trying to touch me. One of them actually DID offer to buy me a drink. I refused, politely (always gotta be nice to predatory scumbags, right ladies? /s) of course. He also kept calling me ‘ma’am’ and asking my name (I refused to give it) The other guy wanted my phone number, even though we met like 15 minutes earlier. Because he found out I’m a Gemini from someone else who knew me there! That’s enough of a reason, right? Ugh… also, the fact that either of them thought we had ANYTHING in common just freaked me out. I guess it was also because they ignored my repeated requests to be left alone. And, at no point did I refer to either of them as ‘whores’ or anything like it.
Yeah, I don’t know what it is about those schnozzes, I just find it really sexy… and NO it isn’t anything about dick size, ‘race’ or anything. It’s an aesthetic, y’all. :P
OT: I am going to my first con next week, and I want to cosplay as Death from Sandman. All I need is a big silver ankh necklace and some eyeliner… lol
Trying to convince my housemate to be Destruction, but he hasn’t read the series, so… XD
‘“I LIKE NERDY GUYS. AND BIG NOSES. AND FEMINISTS. AND TREKKIES ”
You sound awesome! =D’
(blushes furiously) :3 thank you…!
Just catching up with the thread here. (Had a migraine; mine last fucking forever.)
Anyway, there were a few comments caught in moderation that are now way back in the thread, so I thought I’d repost them here:
And this bit of creepy rape apologia, evidently not from a native speaker:
Might also be a troll, of course,
And this one:
Hengist, I understand the frustration, but trolls are part of the package in Manboobz threads.
But luckily Manboobz discussions come in two flavors!
If you want discussion without all the trolls, you might want to check out the Manboobz forum, linked in the sidebar; that’s much more heavily moderated, for all the reasons you spell out.
Is BROM seriously upset that… women can say no to sex? Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
He seems to mostly wish that women would come to him, which is a topic that’s already been well covered in this thread. He also suffers from the same lack of empathy that so many of them do, and assumes that men are the only ones who go through emotional turmoil while navigating the dating scene.
I just got here. Sorry for going back to the first page, but
I just gotta point out that people who seek nonconsensual sex typically are looking for something other than/in addition to an orgasm. The prevalent view that rape = sex is one of the reasons why predator-rapists are able to get away with raping women who are “less desirable” than the women they are perceived as being able to date.
I think that women should hit on men! But I don’t think they should be made to hit on every man.
Sometimes I wonder what the ideal world of the MRAs would be like. Seriously. What is their endgame here?
Sometimes I wonder what the ideal world of the MRAs would be like. Seriously. What is their endgame here?
Considering that it seems to be more of a protest movement, I’d be surprised if it had any substantive goals.
They’re angry at women when we hit on them (because then we’re whores) and when we don’t approach them we’re spitting on them. When we work, we’re taking money away from a man; when we don’t we’re golddiggers. When we don’t have kids we’re denying our biological nature/are baby-killers, but when we do we’d better not lose our figures. If we divorce and keep the kids, we’re depriving the father of his seed and gouging him through child support, but the most I’ve heard Fathers’ Rightsers ask for was shared custody, not sole custody.
blitzgal:
If all women are attractive (tautologically true if we’re only counting attractive women as “women”) and women have no sex drives of their own (and what other possible explanation could there be for the failure of nearly every woman in the world to jump on my dick?) then where would the emotional turmoil come from?
Ozy:
I don’t think they’ve thought it through quite that far.
“I don’t think they’ve thought it through quite that far.:
I don’t think thought has much to do with the process at all . . .
@ozymandias42
“Sometimes I wonder what the ideal world of the MRAs would be like. Seriously. What is their endgame here?”
Probably a world where women aren’t indoctrinated to take pleasure in their hatred of men and anything masculine. Being I’m sure your future holds a lifetime in college I thought you’d like to know Title IXs new police/judge/jury/executioner force begins this year.
The “patriarchy” rules of the game are, impartial jury, innocent until proven guilty, confronting your accuser, personal accountability, and other silly man nonsense. Now here’s a run down of the new Title IX rules, and any college that doesn’t comply doesn’t recieve federal funding. Meaning only 2 colleges in the nation. So heres womens law.
First off, all men entering college must attend the infamous, “she fears you” indoctrination where men are taught they’re vile filth. Ahh, building self esteem thru degradation. I’ll bet men as a whole will just love women after being told women hate and fear them as violent, raping filth.
Second, innocent until proven guilty. Gone! Now the burden of proof has shifted to a man proving his innocense in any complaint of sexual harrassment by a woman. Thank goodness women are getting rid of that nasty presumption of innocense.
Third, impartial jury. Gone! The jury has to read exerpts from “inside the minds of angry, controlling and abusive men,” any the many ways men are controlling. With juicy tidbit like even though he might “seem” like a nice boy, thats one of his controlling tactics. I can’t wait to hear those “impartial” verdicts!
Fourth, the right to confront your accuser. Gone! This would cause undue stress and might make a woman feel uncomfortable. And here’s the beauty of it. Say a man is simply kissing a girl who is enthusiastically kissing him back. However, it’s not his girlfriend and his girlfriend finds out. “She” can lodge the complaint that the man was harrassing and he won’t even know who he’s being accused by. This puppy is a definite win/win for women in college.
Fifth, the sex police force, judge and jury will be made up from…the faculty and student body. These highly trained feminist forces will ensure a proper investigation, a swift and speedy guilty verdict and expulsion. I give it a year or two before the “success” of these policies trickle down to include grade schools as well. Oh that’s right, the men are swine indoctrination is already in place in grade schools.
Isn’t it strange how if men aren’t doing anything wrong, women simply expand the definition of what “is” wrong into law and more men take a beating. Then you take away the right of innocense, impartiality and confronting their accuser and more men take a beating. Then you set up a “special” police force, judge and jury just for men, and more men take a beating.
Title IX; equality in sports? Is this womans law? Is this womans equality? When you ask, “Sometimes I wonder what the ideal world of the MRAs would be like?” I guess the best answer would be, a world where women stop punishing men for giving, sacrificing and even dying for women.
@Doctress Ju’ulia
I’ve noticed those low life men of vile character have now been tossed into the predator category. “(always gotta be nice to predatory scumbags, right ladies? /s)”
It’s amazing how quickly they became predatory in nature. Lock em up!
“As anyone who has watched Seinfeld knows well, “coffee” means “sex.” ”
That’s a pretty dated reference point.
I’ve seen lots of fellow college students ask for coffee and actually mean coffee.
“It’s also, you know, rape.”
Legally no, it’s not rape.
If a person consented without being threatened or drugged up it’s not rape. Even if they put on peer pressure.
Probably a world where women aren’t indoctrinated to take pleasure in their hatred of men and anything masculine.
What would this look like concretely and specifically? What would women do in your ideal society, and what wouldn’t they do? What would the rights and responsibilities of men be?
NWO: Yeah, you’re totally being punished for existing.
On a completely unrelated note: Daytime football games + no sunscreen + very fail skin = unhappy KathleenB. But my team beat the tar out of our crosstown rivals and I only had a couple of minor panic attacks. Fun was had!
FAIR skin, tho fail is an apt description at the moment….
Was also quite pleased to see a young lady on the sidelines, picking up the balls and making sure the refs had what they needed. Are they called ‘ball boys/girls’ in football?
Probably very much like the non-oppressive 19th century
“Probably a world where women aren’t indoctrinated to take pleasure in their hatred of men and anything masculine.”
WOMEN DON’T HATE MEN!!! Some women hate some men, but I think we can all agree you’re not going to be compatible with everyone you meet. Aside from the “manginas” NWO, I’m sure there’s some men you don’t like. Do you think they’re holding this entire conspiracy as to why you don’t like them? Very unlikely. Why? Because normal people get the fuck over it.
So, NWO, your number one goal as an MRA is to have Title IX repealed?
That is the thing that would make you the happiest?
“a world where women stop punishing men for giving, sacrificing and even dying for women.”
You mean a world where women stop punishing men for harassing, hating and even raping women. Cop the fuck on man.
This quote was from the above article
“-tip for lonely guys: remember that women are actual human beings also.”
I have not been on this site for a while but as an MGTOW MRA, the PUA movement is an absolute disgrace. The PUA movement is an embarrassment to me as a male,
The PUA movement makes men look like idiots with no heart who think only with their cock.These PUA so called “gurus” make money off lonely men who have no life outside of trying to pick up women.
The MGTOW movement is all about men learning o be free of the bondage of lust and constant sexual craving. The MGTOW movement is about seeing women as people not as sexual objects to possess.
The MGTOW movement is as far away from The PUA movement as the east is with the west.
It’s time for men to see women as human beings and to start thinking with our hearts not our cocks.Men become more empowered by following the MGTOW way as oppossed to the servile to women, weak, “bufoonery: that the PUA guys are.
The PUA guys have no soul. It’s an absolute anathema to the honest authentic MRA movement
Every time I read NWO’s wharrgarble, I think of how reimbursing doctors for performing end-of-life counseling, something so common sense and innocuous that it’s hard to imagine anyone being against it, became “death panels” in the hands of right-wing alarmists. I imagine that much of his Title IX prattle is along the same lines.
Captain: I’ve been through the ‘end of life counseling’ twice in the past two years. It’s not really anything like the ‘death panels’ imagined by the ultra right wing. With Dad, because he was pretty with it until quite near the end, the social worker talked abut DNR, final wishes, disposition of the body, etc. Because Grandma was pretty out of it after they withdrew the antibiotics (per her living will – they would have counted as heroic measures and the likelihood of survival low even with them – pneumonia sucks, y’all), everything was handled by my mom as power of attorney. Talk with hospice was mostly about keeping her comfortable, morphine dosage, etc. And honestly, the dementia had gotten bad enough that she didn’t even recognize her great grandson by then, trying to get her to understand and talk about her own mortality would have been pretty damned futile.
Samuel again? Really?
The problem isn’t sexual attraction. You can be sexually attracted to someone and not view them as objects. Really. It happens with me and my girlfriend all the time.
You s hould probably try telling the MGTOW this, because they seem to spend far more time whining about not getting laid than they do… well, any other sort of activism, let me tell you what.
Well, there is the constant misogyny from both, so I guess in a taoist sorta way…
@jill
So, NWO, your number one goal as an MRA is to have Title IX repealed?
That is the thing that would make you the happiest?
throw in vawa and that pretty much sums him up
I’m taking notes on all of this for the Book of Learnin’. Especially the sex police forces.
What’s with MRAL and his: she won’t suck my dick, therefore she can suck my dick.
How does this make sense to him? Is sucking his dick a good thing or a bad thing?