“There are real and legitimate issues regarding education and young boys that need to be addressed. There are real and legitimate issues regarding education, regardless of gender, that need to be addressed. Artificial wombs and dreams about exploring the great barrier reef, however, are not going to do it.”

Also, that.

Empty, empty rhetoric and delusions of grandeur. You people are the quintessential example of someone who couldn’t “…bust a grape in a food fight…”

All of these absurd grandiose visions of a life of separation between sexes and the “differences” you’re making and none of you can coordinate so much as a drop of organized and constructive activism to support your deeply held convictions. Internet warriors, the lot of you.

My family participated in demonstrations that shook this nation’s ideas about itself down to its very foundations. You people won’t sully yourselves with so much as an organized boycott, despite having all the tools of modern technology and communication at your fingertips.

You try to turn the tragedy of Thomas Ball’s self-immolation, a man who abandoned his wife and children after abusing his 4 year old daughter, into your Rosa Parks and then cry foul when the rest of us won’t share your outrage. In your forums you talk of “taking action” while you allow the lunatic fringe of your movement to advocate shooting police officers and bombing family courts.

Sci-fi, Zarat. That’s the ticket for you. That’s about as seriously as you and your ideas need to be taken. You’re already pretending to be a miraculously unpublished scientist. Take it further and allow yourself to be completely absorbed in your fantasy.

Just try to step out every so often and play with your boys. Spend as much time being with them as you do fearing for them.

I sorta doubt robot cuddling is ever going to really work. You’d have to simulate not only skin texture, muscle, fat, bone, breathing, heartbeat, but also scent, pheromones. I mean, ok, not TOTALLY impossible but definitely further away than 2030.

“How would you feel, if your SIX YEAR OLD daughter had a poster saying “teach your daughters young and teach them often not to abuse or murder children” in her CLASSROOM?!?”

Not only would I be fine with that, since my sister is a pediatrician and I have friends who are devoted and underpaid social workers, I would love to have more campaigns targeted to women about the child abuse and neglect.

Plymouth, I was wondering about that. You’re more technologically savvy than I am by quite a bit but, it does seem like a robot that could realistically simulate cuddling -with all the sensory stimulation required- would be incredibly complicated and far into the future. And really, eally expensive.

“I do believe that, in our current society, men typically hold more power than women (I know you disagree here, and I’d like to avoid that argument at present because it’s not the point).”

I do not disagree. some Men HOLD the power, all women HAVE the power.

Also, MRAs do not call these people-with-a-Y-chromosome who HOLD power “men”. They are the wielders of the burning blade of feminist man-hate. They have betrayed their people, in return for which they “hold” power.

That’s fine, Antz, but still completely beside the point.

For the last effing time, AntZ, all feminists don’t hate men! About a zillion examples of this simple fact have been provided just in the threads I’ve been in, and you refuse to see anything that doesn’t fit with your neat, pre-packaged worldview. I’m beginning to agree with Ginmar – we have no reason to prove something that should be eminently fucking obvious to anyone who’s willing to look.

Nobinayamu: Just for you…

/me is singing along

Thank you Spearhafoc, I shot water out of my nose at the He-man comment.

I’d point out that the desire for cuddles/etc. is related to a desire for affection. It’s a generally accepted social thing that humans do, as it is a form of social interaction. Substituting robots for that affection seems… largely to avoid answering that desire.

What do they want? Is it an intelligent being capable of communication (and additionally, sentience) to physically interact with? Robots seem off just due to the current levels of AI. Unless they just want something touching them. Robots I might understand if it is just entirely touching that is somehow removed from all elements of social interactions around physical touch. But as far as I see it, it is the interaction that is desired. I don’t think AI right now would even provide that interaction.

I mean, it is difficult for some of us to just avoid human contact to begin with. It’s understandable that the concepts of MGToW would lead to feelings of isolation. But there are many methods to solving that. Having animals around, for instance, is intensely stress relieving.

I suppose I am questioning if they are understanding what it is they truly want out of the idea of a cuddles interaction. It seems some do, and others suggest something that still has an absence of interaction.

Anthony, can you give an example of your son being “humiliated and denigrated by the feminist public school system”? And I mean a real example of something that actually happened to him at school, not “there were posters on bus stops in California five years ago that you could interpret as being anti-male if you were being deliberately dense.” A child being harassed at school is a serious problem that needs to be stopped.

Meanwhile, I continue to have my doubts that your utopia of people interacting with imaginary boyfriends/girlfriends through VR goggles is going to appeal to most people, given that the original post is devoted to guys talking about how much they crave physical contact.

“Meanwhile, I continue to have my doubts that your utopia of people interacting with imaginary boyfriends/girlfriends through VR goggles is going to appeal to most people, given that the original post is devoted to guys talking about how much they crave physical contact.”

Antz new invention will be so perfect *people won’t know the difference*! It’ll be just like the Matrix!

I don’t think MGTOW want a kitten. They seem more like puppy people. Cats are too independantly minded for the sort of people who get into MRA/MGTOW.

I support the “Give A MGTOW A Kitten” campaign! Maybe they’d get better!

What did the poor kittens ever do to you? Although our psychotic kitten might have been a match for some of the MRAs… I have visible scars from her. Makes the ‘are you self-harming’ question from the therapist interesting when you have gigantic scratches on your hand and parallel scars, though.

God being AntZ sons must suck, they have be dealing with all the problems and travails of childhood and teenage masculinity and sociality all on their own because they can’t go to their father for help with any concrete, real world issues. All they’ll get instead is either a sermon on the coming of the all male matrix, or how women are the greatest ill in the world then say: a deluded father who spends all his time commenting on the internet about inventions he’ll can’t ever create while treating their own mother like shit.
Honestly, if you were just a single, “forever alone” loser like JAUN or Slavey or MRAL all your talk about the misogyny Singularity would be hilarious, but the fact that you have kids makes you, in my opinion, the worst troll on this site to date (even with that banal ‘Meagan’ whatever-it-was).
And while I know it’s perfectly possible for kids to pick themselves up out rough situations, it would certainly be easier with an actual father beside them, instead of some deluded loser with sad visions of being a “warrior for malekind”.

(Though what’s stopping me from being completely sad and contemptuous about this is the very real possibility of those two sons and wife might not even exist. Given how AntZ has waxed on about the creation of manufactured realities, maybe he already has a prototype method for doing so? If he did though, I think he just plagiarized the ability from bums who talk to themselves.)

Johnny B: here is my thread: http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t321-game-without-hate It’s got a bunch of women (and some other men) also posting advice in it, some using my format and some not. I do agree with a lot of the advice there, but there have been complaints about the alleged “negativity” of some of the other posters. If that’s a problem for you, I’d much prefer you to respond to the content of my posts rather than complain about what other posters are doing.

Kilo: The thing is, there are lots of relationships that include cuddling but not sex, like “flirty friends” or “affectionate friends” or sometimes even “supportive friends.” If as these posters say, sex is less important to them than finding a woman to cuddle with, they should avoid PUAs like the plague. PUA tactics lead to only two results” sex, or no relationship. There’s no opportunity to form a cuddly friendship. Also, It’s not clear to me how cuddly it’s possible to be and maintain your “alpha” facade.

My advice is designed first and foremost to create mutual affection and attraction with as many people as possible. That’s a social asset you can parlay into sex with some ffort, but can parlay into cuddles extremely easily.

“I want cake. But I do not want to have to gather the ingredients, bake the cake, frost it or do anything at all to obtain the cake. Instead, I will just whine I do not have cake.”

Cake! I want cake. Why oh why do I have no cake? I have all the cuddles I want, but no cake. :(

I feel bad for people who don’t have cake, in general.

I feel less bad for people who don’t have cake and hate bakers.

Some of these same guys at MGTOW forums love to taunt women with “Enjoy being alone with all your cats!”. They think women should feel loneliness as a punishment for not catering to their narcissistic desires. Now when they talk about living a lifetime of loneliness, I’m torn between feeling sad for them and thinking “Well it serves them right for being such douchebags”. I really doubt they would offer any sympathy to any woman feeling the pain of loneliness, yet in spite of everything many of us can’t help but feel sympathy for them.

Kendra, I suspect the problem here is, we all know that cats are wonderful, yet very demanding, companions.

It truly sucks to be alone in the world; however, if you are lucky enough to share your home with one or more cats, then you are srsly NOT alone!

Damn it, now I really want eat cake and drink tea while reading books with by cat. Well, I suppose all I’m missing is cake. I could make do.

I don’t cuddle with people who hate me, or see me as less than human.

@David – “Oh crap, did I end that with the dreaded MRA two-dot period??!

AGGHHHHHH..”

You can’t take it back now! YOUR SECRET IS OUT.

Johnny_B, no one here liked the shirt, but feel free to think otherwise as usual.

Those T-shirts were created by a man named Todd Goldman. He’s a colossal douchebag. In addition to being a sexist creep, he has a long history of ripping off artists and claiming their work as his own. For the interested, there’s an exhaustive rundown here: http://www.miketyndall.com/todd_goldman/

So, yeah, not a fan of that guy. But hey, at least he’s an equal-opportunity sexist: his other T-shirt slogans include “No Means No–Well Maybe If I’m Drunk” (which Feministing successfully campaigned to have discontinued) and “Gold Digger: Like a Hooker but Smarter.” Oh, and one time he ripped off the Special Olympics logo, just to prove what a classy guy he is.

Does that control for time spent with the child?

I’m going to go out on a limb and say “no.”

I think a big reason for the “women abuse children more” statistic is that when a man can’t deal with his kids, he almost always has the option to leave them with their mother.

When she can’t deal with them, a lot of the time she’s shit out of luck.

This doesn’t excuse her abusing them, but it does mean that she’s no worse a parent than the father. They’re equally bad, but her failure to deal with her kids is a crime and his isn’t.

Paternity leave and generally more support for involved fathers would help this situation a little; good childcare would help it a lot.

Gnashing your teeth at women and going “see, you’re more badder than us” wouldn’t help even if it were true.

<blockquoteLI am living the life of my dreams. I am fighting for the freedom and dignity of my people. I am one of a tiny number of warriors calling for liberty amidst the maelstrom of feminist man-hate. I have lived to see that voice heard.

Wow, I can just imagine the wank burns left by his non-typing hand…

I sure hope his kids aren’t real, because apparently all their daddy can offer them is the stench of lotion, ineptitude, misogyny and shame.

It is sadly telling about the times in which we live how some, perhaps many, men are already beginning–long before the available technology becomes available in prototype, much less affordable, to talk about sexual–and eventually emotional and spiritual –contact with robots, cyborgs, or androids (“gynoids?”) over what is available to us with modern women. It is a sad commentary of how HATEFUL most modern women are–argumentative, bitter, domineering, obtuse, over-educated, pushy, vulgar, and just plain loathsome–that some men (small numbers today, more and more as feminists continue to pollute relations between the sexes) are seeking such alternatives, even if the likelihood of success in our lifetime is questionable.

Another alternative, also far beyond today’s foreseeable technology, would, of course, be breeding strains of more agreeable, domestic, playful, and charming women. This may take even longer than the development of robotic technologies, and unfortunately poses unavoidable additional risk to the entire human genome, which makes it a project to be undertaken only in the direst emergency; if perhaps cyberwives turn out to be impractical or unaffordable for most men who need them!

If you think that I am exaggerating the disagreeable nature of modern women now, just look at most of the posts by them here. One is more rotten than the next! Nowhere is there the slightest awareness on the part of these she-hyenas (my apologies to hyenas) that the male’s pursuit of cybertoys–or further down the road, cyberwives–is a desperate RESPONSE to vicious female–or is it feminist–rejection, ridicule and cruelty.

Such attitudes on the part of today’s dreadful harpies, have a way of coming back in a most unpredictable and explosive manner! They may not manifest tomorrow, nor next year, nor even in a century, but eventually women (or what man-hating vermin they will have devolved into) will find that they all need men very badly, and the only possible response from our decendents will be tto throw them in the nearest sewer, where they belong!!

A word to the wise…

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

Sure, as long as you’re not allergic to cats.

hellkell: That is Summer Glau. She was a Terminator-type robot in some tv series or another. (The Sarah Connor Chronicles?)