Man Boobz Super Fun Time Video Party 5: A Nice Guy’s plea
Tiny Bunny and Small Dog are trying a new look this week, or however long it’s been since the last one of these. It’s a crass attempt to appeal to space aliens.
This time the horrible misogynist quote comes from an anonymous confession on the web site Group Hug , a site devoted to anonymous confessions. In it, a Nice Guy argues that dating is all about “give and take.” Thanks to Denia for posting the link in the comments!
The full quote can be found below the video. (I did some teensy edits to it in the video.)
Mr. Anonymous 174618126 says:
You want a good guy to fall in love with you. Guys want some hot tail. That’s the game. You give and take, we give and take. It’s impossible for two people to even co-exist happily without this give and take process, let alone have a good relationship. So every time you tell me “Uh? I’m more than just a piece of ass, I’m—-” I don’t even hear the rest. I’m well aware you’re not just a piece of ass, you cunt. If I thought that, I wouldn’t talk to you and try to get your consent; I’d just take you. But to give the famous line “I’m more than just a piece of ass” is pretty much the same as saying you’re not interested in even entertaining the idea of us sleeping together. And that means you’re not worth my time or any man’s time.
I’m being fair. Women like you don’t want a man, you want a slave. Someone you can command to bark, sniff, and roll over. Something you can play fetch with. It would be the same thing if I came over to your house, forced you to give me head, and left. I don’t want to be a slave and you don’t want to be my bitch. So why is it so difficult to meet me half way?
I’m so sick of this shit. So very very sick. If you’re not interested in me then don’t fucking talk to me.
Mr. Anonymous 174618126, I feel safe in saying that no one who has read what you just wrote will ever want to talk to you.
Posted on August 24, 2011, in douchebaggery, man boobz fun time videos, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, nice guys, rape, rapey, sex. Bookmark the permalink. 317 Comments.
Logics tiemz!
If a woman is just a piece of ass, he will rape her.
If a woman is not just a piece of ass, he is not interested in her.
…troubles tiemz.
Hi Pat Bateman!
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebus.
“I’m being fair”
In keeping yourself waaaay the fuck away from me? Yes, that is a service you are providing.
So, there’s no way a woman can win against this argument.
Man: I’m going to treat you like a piece of ass.
Woman 1: No! I’m a real person, with my own interests, capabilities, desires and motivations.
Result: He thinks (logically) that she wants nothing to do with him, and thus that she isn’t worth his time. Really, it just means she’s not into jerks.
Woman 2: Ok.
Result: Man ignores her, because she doesn’t exist or he’d be raping her. She is into jerks, but doesn’t exist in his world, because he’s apparently not actually interested in women who like jerks such as himself.
There’s a guy who’s pissed he can’t rape whenever he wants.
Or, actually I suppose, all women win with him making those arguments.
Women he’s interested in don’t end up with a jerk, and women who are interested in him don’t end up with a jerk even though they aren’t opposed to dating jerks.
Goodness, I do wonder what unusual circumstances lead to SO many women reciting “Uh? I’m more than just a piece of ass” to this upstanding young gentleman that he has to call it “famous line”. Because I don’t recall saying anything like it, ever, to anyone, and can’t imagine doing so except in response to explicit, and fairly extreme, harassment. Am I unusual in this regard, Boobzerz?
No. And frankly I don’t recall ever having to say it to anyone, because 99% of the men I interact with are, well, gentlemen.
I’ve only ever said the “famous line” in a joking manner amongst friends.
Another one of those “relationships-as-legal-protitution” types, who thinks that men hate spending time with women and women hate having sex with men and they’re both just stolidly enduring it to get at the part they want. I can kind of understand how personal experience leads them to the second conclusion, since anyone this repulsive is unlikely to be lighting fires in any loins, but is needing someone around to vent to and work through emotional stuff with really such an alien concept?
Or maybe because they’re so unappealing themselves, the only women they end up dating are women with massive personality problems, who are themselves so unpleasant to be around that they have to settle for the creepy guy?
I don’t know how many times women have to say “I’m more than just a piece of ass”, because I can’t think of any time I’ve heard it said.
I’m unclear on what making a guy “bark, sniff, and roll over” consists of, exactly.
Speaking to her respectfully?
Doing things other than sex with her?
Leaving the house occasionally with her?
Sometimes paying for dinner and other activities?
This is why he has to talk in ludicrous metaphor; if he specified “and sometimes she even wants me to talk to her!”, he wouldn’t really get the pity party going.
I like how him actually listening to her and treating her with respect = him being her slave, and compares it to forcing her to give him head (which is rape). Also, his “logic” is really weird, you aren’t a piece of ass because I don’t rape you, but since you aren’t a piece of ass that means we won’t sleep together? So does that mean he feels fine raping women who have consented to sleep with him in the past since that makes them pieces of ass? Or are the women okay (in his mind) as long as they don’t call him out on his behavior (aka say the “famous line”)? I’m a little confused and very creeped out.
As an ambassador from the planet gargawoiw329823 I appreciate your attempt at outreach. However, if you earthlings are anything like the guy quoted in the clip, I don’t think we’ll be visiting anytime soon.
Oh, like … he’s talking about movies or something?
Add me to the list as another one who’s never said or heard anyone else say “the famous line.”
Also: If I am not interested in sleeping with a particular man, it follows that I am not worth “any man’s time”! Hmm. So, either I have to sleep with all men, or reconcile myself to the idea that I will never have any kind of time-based relationship with any man. Cool! Good to know.
His first paragraph makes no damn sense. It’s just a convoluted mess.
The second paragraph is easier to understand. He is describing a female archetype. One that often is unhappy, nags, whines, etc… So my advice to Mr Anon is to learn how to screen these women so you don’t get someone that is incompatible with you. Your complaining isn’t really going to solve anything…learn and adapt and those women that you don’t like, you can shrug off with minimal effort.
Lastly, you have to actually talk to girls to find out if one of you is interested in the other. What are you going to do…find a woman without uttering a word to her? Ya most likely not going to happen often.
I always find it funny that so many MRA/PUA/MGTOW critiques of women focus on the fact that women allegedly can’t tell the difference between a nice guy and a jerk.
They think all women have this problem, but really it’s just that all women who interact with THEM have that problem.
“I always find it funny that so many MRA/PUA/MGTOW critiques of women focus on the fact that women allegedly can’t tell the difference between a nice guy and a jerk.”
The irony of course being that these petulant little whiners are not nice guys at all. And we can see that for ourselves, which is why we want nothing to do with them. Although I HIGHLY doubt he has ever actually said, “I know you’re not just a piece of ass, you cunt” to a woman’s face. He’d probably piss himself and run away.
Okay so maybe the “…piece of ass line” is more of a general sentiment than actual quotation but beyond that I’m quite confused by this tool’s version of compromise.
I get to shut the hell up and let him go about his business of objectifying me, the lucky cunt who’s drawn his interest and he exactly does what in return?
Not rape me?
Or am I some kind of facepalm woman who’s internalised the “The Rules”, forever suppressing things to be the perfect trophy wife and because feminism or just basic modernity never registered, my entire well being boils down to being sexually desirable?
Because then it would be a “fair”, if utterly tragic trade off.
I am desired but must hold back on expectations bought by my status of desirability = win
He gets “his” desire but suppresses his urge to just plain assault me = win
If he sounded less desperate I’d suggest tracing his whereabouts to make sure he hasn’t got anyone trapped in a cellar.
Please, please do not read this as misogynistic or disparaging of all the women this lot are unfortunately attracted to. There’s status in being sexually desired and often a deference to that, hand in hand with the bit where they forget the cover girl’s as human as they are. Looks like today’s manboob just doesn’t want to defer.
Anyway, hi. Gotta love a feminist site where it’s okay to say “retarded” and the trolls make this place like FSTDT Interactive. Started lurking, time wasting while researching but found myself dealing with maddeningly sexist reality. They already think I’m a feminazi and I still need to vent somewhere for the sake of my sanity)
“I know you’re not just a piece of ass, you cunt”.
Lol. You’re more than a piece of ass, you’re a cunt. Those MRA’s crack me up.
Really? While it’s true that maybe he’s just an awful writer, I took him to mean that the woman he was describing in the first paragraph (all we know about her is that she wants her sexual partner to treat her as a person — not a piece of ass), by asking him to see her as a person, is “command[ing him] to bark, sniff, and roll over. [To be] Something you can play fetch with.” Further, he states that telling someone that you’re not just a piece of ass (and again, who does that?) is basically the same as forcing someone to perform a sexual act on you. And that recognizing that someone is not just a piece of ass is tantamount to slavery.
I think your advice is generally good — people should date people they are compatible with! — but in the case of Mr. Anonymous 174618126, it would seem he has deeper problems than that.
He needs a t-shirt: “Only talk to me if you want to get screwed.”
I would like to amend your t-shirt Pecunium. “Only talk to me if you want to go ‘Ah, fuck…'”
This is a good example of what the comments section is like with all the dissenters, like me, now on moderation- boring and samey, with the goal basically to repeat the same obvious criticisms over and over.
In the second paragraph, he’s saying that doing anything for a woman that is not directly related to wheedling her into “putting out” is a lot like being a slave. Because there is no one set of rules governing exactly how much a woman is allowed to demand of him in exchange for sex (sex is always transactional- first paragraph), he is being overly burdened by all of these nasty harpies who expect him to negotiate with them dynamically and empathically.
I don’t get whatever I want from others with minimal effort. Therefore, normal human relationships are a form of bondage. QED. Is basically what he’s saying.
I would guess that the only women who would date guys like this are either really young, really naive, or both. Maybe that’s why they’re always complaining about statutory rape laws.
Look, the fact is that this guy has a point. When a women says something like “NAAHHAHAHA I’M NOT MEAT” right out of the gate, she’s clearly a Her Holy Highness. What if I walked up to women and shoved my wallet or dick in her face and said “I’M NOT A WALLET” or ‘I’M MORE THAN DICK”! Weird.
MARL thinks the original post had a point. Why am I not surprised? I would like to know who is walking around shoving their privates in people’s faces, then saying they are not meat? Or is merely the act of existing while attractive to others considered shoving privates, if the attractive person is a woman?
MRAL, so you think women are shoving their asses in his face and then saying “I’m more than a piece of ass” by way of introduction?
MRAL – The only reason to be angry a woman says she’s not meat is if you believe she is, in fact, meat.
And if that’s what you believe, you’ll save women and yourself a lot of drama if you just cut a papaya lengthwise and microwave it for about 45 seconds, making sure to check the warmth with your hand before use.
Look, the fact is that this guy has a point. When a women says something like “NAAHHAHAHA I’M NOT MEAT” right out of the gate, she’s clearly a Her Holy Highness. What if I walked up to women and shoved my wallet or dick in her face and said “I’M NOT A WALLET” or ‘I’M MORE THAN DICK”! Weird.
But this isn’t about random ppl on the street o_O This is in a relationship. And guys DO say “I’m more than just a wallet!” (in fact that seems to be the theme of a lot of trolls who show up here) to their partners… and… it’s not any more wrong or right (since we don’t know the situation, nething can be a legitimate complaint or manipulative in a relationship) than “I’m not just a piece of ass” xD
However, the statements themselves in a vacuum… “I’m not just a piece of ass” and “I’m not just a wallet” are both true… ppl are more than that. xD
So… not seeing the problem here? o_O
I think the REAL issue as to why you see a double standard MRAL, is that you’re comparing a relationship situation w/ random ppl on the street, and of course if you do that it’ll seem weird in comparison xD
Like… you could also say that in a relationship, men might ask “honey, can you wash the dishes tonight?” and then say BUT IF A WOMAN RAN UP TO A MAN ON THE STREET AND STARTED SHOUTING “CAN YOU WASH THE DISHES!?” THAT WOULD BE SEEN AS WRONG AND A DOUBLE STANNNDDDARRRDDD….
xD
MRAL, while it is possible that a woman who says “I am not meat” shortly after meeting someone is a bitch (as an aside, please do not use a substitution cypher for the word bitch, when you mean bitch, say it, do not hide your intentions) it is likely that the woman using that phrase was intentionally treated like meat by the person she is speaking to. Simply yelling “I am not meat” at someone I had just met is not something I would do without any provocation, and it therefore seems likely to me that few others would do this. Since the originator of this rant says that he feels entitled to rape women that he has labeled as “a piece of ass” it seems likely that he does not treat women as people on equal footing with himself, and would therefore elicit hostile responses from them.
Also, I have to second a lot of other posters’ observation that the only time women are likely to say “I’m not just a piece of ass” is when someone has been treating them like a piece of ass.
I don’t greet people with “Hi, I’m Holly, I’m not just meat,” and I don’t know another human who does.
“This is a good example of what the comments section is like with all the dissenters, like me, now on moderation- boring and samey, with the goal basically to repeat the same obvious criticisms over and over.”
Of course, you can always go on strike, if you choose.
“Look, the fact is that this guy has a point. When a women says something like “NAAHHAHAHA I’M NOT MEAT” right out of the gate, she’s clearly a Her Holy Highness.”
The described exchange has NEVER actually happened to this guy. I guarantee it.
MRAL agrees with this? Must die of shock, BRB.
But… you’re *not* a wallet, MRAL. Or a dick. You’re a person.
By the same logic, women aren’t just vaginas, even if they say it in an annoying way.
It’s really not as hard as you’re making it out to be. XD
“Also, I have to second a lot of other posters’ observation that the only time women are likely to say “I’m not just a piece of ass” is when someone has been treating them like a piece of ass.”
Yep. Agreed.
Both “I’m not just a piece of ass” and “I’m not just a wallet” are perfectly valid things to say when one has been made to feel like just a piece of ass or just a wallet.
What woman has ever said “I’m not just a piece of meat,” to you? MRAL, you never in talk to women.
I’ve never made the statement “I’m not just a piece of meat”. Not to the ass-grabbers, the gropers, the “nice-tits” shouters, the thugs demanding my phone number in a parking lot, the handsy guys, the oglers–not to any of them. I remain skeptical that there are women who leap to that hackneyed phrase at any provocation.
“This is a good example of what the comments section is like with all the dissenters, like me, now on moderation- boring and samey, with the goal basically to repeat the same obvious criticisms over and over.”
You’re not on moderation, dimwit. Nor is NWOSlave, and Brandon was perfectly permitted to spew his gold luvin’. Zarat is still not on moderation, IIRC. Was anyone besides Ion even banned?
“Anyway, hi. Gotta love a feminist site where it’s okay to say “retarded” and the trolls make this place like FSTDT Interactive.”
Don’t say retarded. I’m not kidding.
“Look, the fact is that this guy has a point. When a women says something like “NAAHHAHAHA I’M NOT MEAT” right out of the gate, she’s clearly a Her Holy Highness. What if I walked up to women and shoved my wallet or dick in her face and said “I’M NOT A WALLET” or ‘I’M MORE THAN DICK”! Weird.”
Why would you believe this guy is representing what happens accurately? I’ve seen a lot of creepy guys, but I’ve literally never seen someone say “I’m not just a piece of ass” randomly at the beginning of the conversation. I have seen guys do shit like stare at tits and be told, quite swiftly, “Eyes up here” or similar, though.
“You want a good guy to fall in love with you. Guys want some hot tail. That’s the game.”
Ohh, so the only incentive for males to be in an intimate relationship is to receive a steady supply of sex? Gosh, us silly women-folk with our irrational concept of “love”! “Companionship” and “common interests” must be a total crock as well. Man, I’m learning so much today and school hasn’t even started yet =D
“Women like you don’t want a man, you want a slave.”
You know that a guy is a catch when he considers any activity that you can do as a couple outside of having sex to be the equivalent of slavery.
“It would be the same thing if I came over to your house, forced you to give me head, and left.”
Having conversations or cooking dinner together is just like being raped.
“I’m so sick of this shit. So very very sick.”
UGH. Holding up a conversation, going on a date, god, just watching television together is so….difficult…I don’t know how this poor guy can take it.
“If you’re not interested in me then don’t fucking talk to me.”
Finally, someone who gets it. Us women aren’t actually people that are worth doing anything with outside of fucking. How is it possible that this man seems to be having a hard time getting laid? I simply can’t wrap my head around it, how such an aptly self-proclaimed NiceGuy is not out there right now having great relationships. From the sound of it, he has it all. And if you put out, he’ll even (begrudgingly) spend time with you!
MRAL, I’ve taken you off moderation
BTW, you weren’t on moderation because you’re a “dissenter.” You were on moderation b/c you were having a tantrum and lashing out with really nasty personal attacks.
None of the other regular trolls here are on moderation at the moment, actually.
Trolls are entertaining, and I don’t like to put them on moderation unless they’re acting in a really really nasty way.
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Cynikal – that video is based off of my favorite short story ever. http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html
“Look, the fact is that this guy has a point. When a women says something like “NAAHHAHAHA I’M NOT MEAT” right out of the gate, she’s clearly a Her Holy Highness.”
Last I checked, there was quite a step between being a piece of meat and being royalty. Like, being treated like a fellow human, I think that would land somewhere between ‘meat’ and ‘royalty’. Unless Mr. Al thinks that women being treated like human beings/not like meat is tantamount to be treated like royalty, given that they don’t deserve respect etc.? The ‘nice guy’ in this post clearly thinks that women he’s attracted are being treated with kid gloves if he isn’t raping them. Yich.
@theLaplaceDemon
It’s fun to see how many really good stories come in at under 100 pages.
Lyn – MRAL says “Her Holy Highness” when he means “bitch.” Because he was told to stop saying “bitch,” so he just substituted in another phrase instead of actually, you know, not throwing gendered insults at women.
I actually find it more hurtful (accusations of acting like “her royal highness” were a part of abuse in my past), but then again I don’t find anything MRAL says to be all that hurtful on account of, you know, consider the source.
Oh, so a woman who wants to be treated like a human being and not meat is a bitch…I guess that’s the level of discourse our *dissenters* offer.
‘”MRAL says “Her Holy Highness” when he means “bitch.”’
But…”NAAHHAHAHA I’M NOT MEAT” is how I greet people every day!
=O
Do people teach their dogs to sniff? Is that a thing?
I think maybe women teach their slave-men to sniff? Personally I’d find that irritating, but, hey, who am I to judge?
Anyway, hi. Gotta love a feminist site where it’s okay to say “retarded” and the trolls make this place like FSTDT Interactive.
Hi! Welcome!
You’re not on moderation, dimwit. Nor is NWOSlave, and Brandon was perfectly permitted to spew his gold luvin’. Zarat is still not on moderation, IIRC. Was anyone besides Ion even banned?
Marc, because he may have been a Nazi.
Ah, I love Tiny Bunny and Small Dog. They are the best.
Anyways, I’ve noticed a pattern with our resident MRA/troll types: they like to completely misrepresent a person with whom they broadly agree in order to preserve some sort of more agreeable (in their minds) point. MRAL in this thread introduces the idea of a woman saying the “famous line” or the somewhat less famous line “NAHAHAHA I’M NOT A PIECE OF MEAT” as soon as she starts talking to a man. Careful readers will note this immediacy was not in Anon’s confession at all. If anything it is implied that Anon feels frustrated at being (in his perception) led on by women who are talking to him for some time before using the “famous line”. In context it is probably a just response to Anon’s “Guy want hot tail and exchange the appearance of love for sex” attitude.
Also rather disturbing is that Anon and MRAL equate a woman using a man for a power trip with physical/sexual assault. Witness:
MRAL here seems to equate a woman’s withdrawing of the aforementioned hot tail with a man’s inappropriate imposition of his wallet/penis. Almost as though the rightful role of women is acceding to sexual requests. To read Anon’s confession you’d think that women have some sort of magical penis magnet with which they destroy a man’s free will.
I would like to state for the record that I am, in fact, a piece of meat.
Has anyone actually ever said this to you? I mean, really?
I thought you had to be dead to be just a piece of meat Spear.
Has anyone else noticed how, perhaps unwittingly, BDSM metaphors pop up again and again in the typical MRA screed?
Slaves. Trained like a dog. Forced to sniff at women. Etc.
This is probably not a coincidence. Just find a club or something already and get it over with…
WE DON’T WANT THEM.
I once had to tell a guy that I wasn’t a prostitute, but I’ve never had to say the meat thing.
He stopped me on the street and asked to talk to me. Just talking, he said. Only 10 minutes or so. So I said I would talk to him since I was on my way home anyway and had nowhere to be. After about 2 minutes of talking he started touching me and trying to kiss me. So I said my thing and got away from him asap. The end. It wasn’t a literal sort of “he thought I was a prostitute” situation, but with the language barrier I figured it would get the point across.
No, I generally do not run up to men and shout, “I’M NOT A WHORE!” or “I’M MORE THAN A VAGINA, THANK YOU!” If I say something like that, there’s very definitely a context where it was appropriate. If your girlfriend keeps asking you to pay for shit, saying, “You know, I’m more than just a wallet,” might be appropriate. Context context context. If a guy is hearing a lot of “I’m not a piece of meat!” he’s obviously doing something REALLY REALLY WRONG.
“NAAHHAHAHA I’M NOT MEAT”
I like that she’s cackling evilly while proclaiming she’s not meat. It’s all part of the nefarious female plot, not being meat.
“’NAAHHAHAHA I’M NOT MEAT’
“I like that she’s cackling evilly while proclaiming she’s not meat. It’s all part of the nefarious female plot, not being meat.”
Feminists are actually made of TOFU! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
No doubt she says it while literally waving her vagina in his face.
Like a sandwich in front of a hungry man. How dare she.
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Off topic, but the aliens in They’re Made of Meat… clearly know what meat is, but the idea of a lifeform made out of it is baffling to them. So in what form are they encountering all this meat they’re slapping and flapping to make noises?
I just imagine a society of robots living on a planet of beef oceans and bacon lawns.
who’s brandon?
MRAL, seriously? Hitting all the keys at once does not make temper tantrums look any better. Maybe lay off the vodkia ttoda7b.
“IO was on moderation bccceause I was a dissenter Futrelle don’t ui forgot it. i drank bofd vodkia ttoda7b and 9 like doning this every few weeks. WHY!!!!!!”
Wow! You drank bofd vodkia ttoda7b and 9 like doning this every few weeks. WHY!!!!!!????? I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!!!!!!!! It must be like, really something special!
MRAL: Um, wtf? Have you seen the light and come to Eris, that she may light your path with nonsense? Have you come to appreciate the freeing joys of hot dogs without buns? Or are you just a dipshit?
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That’s a great point, but have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?