Nice Guy Redux: If you’d gone out with me, you wouldn’t have gotten raped.
The contest for the Most Ironic Use of the Term “Nice Guy,” When Applied to Yourself –otherwise known as the MIUTNGWAY Award – is heating up. The previous front runner – the Tumblr guy who compared his inability to get laid to the Holocaust – now faces a serious challenge from a Redditor calling himself DogmaDog.
The other day Mr. Dog wandered into a discussion of the SlutWalks in the Feminisms and offered his two cents: he declared them “stupid,” and suggested that they won’t really help victims.
And then he started in on his own tale of woe.
I know I’m going to be shit on for saying what I’m about to say, but please hear me out.
Not a promising start, Dog.
I’ve never raped a woman, and I’m the ‘nice guy’ who never took advantage of a woman.
Do you want an award for this?
But a girl I was infatuated with in high school blew me off and treated me disrespectfully. She ended up being raped one night, while intoxicated. I do not know how I am supposed to feel about it.
As Don Draper would say, “what?”
How do you think you’re “supposed” to feel? Did you accidentally dislodge the part of your brain responsible for basic human empathy?
Apparently, the answer to that is “yes.”
[H]ow do you suppose I am supposed to feel about this woman I knew who got raped? I mean, I’ve never taken advantage of a woman, but I don’t understand how my ‘friend’, this girl I went to high school with, could go out and party all the time, and in turn treat me, her classmate, as though I were an inferior person for not enjoying the atmosphere of drunkenness at high school parties.
As it turns out, you’re an inferior person for an entirely different reason.
That girl was a mean girl, no? And by being disrespectful toward men, and prejudiced toward men, wasn’t she asking men to behave badly toward her? The only men she gave attention and physical affection to were the ones who hurt her back.
So let me see if I get this: she didn’t go out with you, a “nice guy,” so she was therefore “asking” to be raped?
Naturally, this being the Feminisms subreddit, and not The Spearhead, some of the regular commenters took exception to Mr. Dog’s victim-blaming and his complete lack of empathy for the victim – especially strange, since Dog, who says he is suffering from an (unspecified) mental illness, considers himself “a victim, in my own way,” of prejudice towards those with mental health issues. This experience, alas, has not given him any sympathy towards other vicitms.
Indeed, it seems that DogmaDog didn’t misplace his sense of empathy after all; rather, he threw it out of the house and got a restraining order against it. Responding to someone who suggested he show a little empathy, Dog lashed out:
Your empathy can go suck a dick. Empathy does nothing to help my situation. I suppose that is just the excuse people give themselves so that they can feel like they are actually doing something.
You basically called me an inferior human being because I can’t or won’t empathize for my friend who was raped. Well, ask yourself this, smart-ass, have you ever really wondered what good your empathy does? It does nothing. …
In reality, you are doing nothing but attacking me, and I may or may not have a ‘complex’, even though I don’t know what that is, but I can guarantee you, I HAVE NEVER RAPED ANYONE!!!
The sound you hear is me banging my head, ever so softly, on my desk. Empathy is what connects human beings to one another, what allows them to understand one another on a deep level.
When people are suffering – as you are, Dog, in dealing with your mental illness – a little bit of empathy from someone else can make all the difference in the world.
If you can’t feel even a little bit of sympathy for this woman you were once “infatuated” with, you’re not a nice guy at all; you’re an even bigger asshole than those drunken high school partiers you disdain. You may never have raped anyone — as you’ve repeatedly insisted, as if this should win you a prize – but “in your own way” you’re thinking like an abuser. Your lack of empathy for the victim, your continued bitterness towards her for turning you down, your sense of wounded narcissism; none of this is healthy, for you or for anyone who comes into contact with you.
You need help, dude. Please, please get it.
Posted on August 15, 2011, in bad boys, beta males, evil women, misogyny, nice guys, rape, rapey, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 455 Comments.
I think I’m going to start saying that to anyone who gets on my nerves today.
Sorry, Speedlines, I was writing my own retort to his rant before yours was posted.
OK, Anthony, I understand that for someone like yourself, disagreement = “OMG I hate you”. This is a common feature of narcissistic thinking. You probably cannot help thinking that way, as you’ve never known any other way. For that, you have my sympathy.
But there is simply no basis for the alarmist nonsense that you’re selling here, and I think you’re getting as angry as you are because you believe “in your heart” that you are right, even though the facts don’t agree.
Now about the “wages”, yes, I am concerned that tomorrow or next week another disgruntled or “distraught” man will go on a rampage with an assault rifle. Those kinds of occurrences are distressingly common here in the land of the free (fire zone). But I’m not terribly afraid for myself; the chance of me, personally being targeted during one of these rampages is pretty small.
Strang how you missed the other Agendas they’re pushing liek:
This act would make numerous amendments to the Rhode Island works program such as expanding the acceptable workforce activities and eliminate the periodic twenty-four (24) month time limit, while maintaining the lifetime limit of family eligibility for cash assistance at forty-eight (48) months.
Ah, that doesn’t feed into your victimization.
I’m not suggesting they’re losing their jobs on purpose, I’m just pointing to citations where they are.
http://singleparents.about.com/od/legalissues/f/impoverishment.htm
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_292557.html
http://corpainvestigation.wordpress.com/2006/08/11/why-your-child-support-will-never-be-paid-the-worthless-paper-by-kevin-bousquet/
Yes, yes I do know what it’s like to be homeless.
Yep, I can tell that by the BILLIONS of child support dollars that are withheld by fathers from their children.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/michigan_ag_100m_in_child_supp.html
http://www.suntimes.com/news/4205457-418/3-billion-owedin-child-support.html
This has already been debunked. But it doesn’t fit into you temper tantrum so I won’t belabor the point.
Never talked to a mother who’s lost her children because she was abandoned by the father and then had CPS take them because she’s “unfit”?
Wait, weren’t you just arguing that the states shouldn’t persue dead beat dads for child support, now you want me to be angry that the state is “throw[ing] tax payers money at mothers”?
I guess it’s better for children to starve on the streets than to make men act like adults and take responsibility for their children.
“I was writing my own retort to his rant before yours was posted.”
You can stop the “rant” at any time by answering my question, in whatever way suits you:
WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS TO A FATHER WHO IS THROWN IN PRISON FOR CHILD SUPPORT NON PAYMENT? What will violent inmates will do with this poor person? Do you think for a SECOND that the NOW does not know this? Is this the kind of campaign that you want to support?
Just let me know what kind of person supports this hate legislation. Most MRAs are honestly puzzled that feminists would do this. Mothers lose because they never see another dime of child support. Children lose because their fathers are in prison. Fathers lose in ways that most of you seem unable to acknowledge. Tax payers lose millions of dollars.
Only feminists win with this kind of hate law, and I wonder why. How do you think this benefits you?
Zarat wrote:
Which ones? Cite your sources. You have earned no credibility by blatantly misrepresenting easily discoverable facts.
That is exactly what I looked up. There’s nothing in there about locking up unemployed fathers. You represented the purpose of exactly this legislation as imprisoning unemployed fathers and sentencing them to decades in jail. Do you acknowledge that you were incorrect to say this, or are you going to provide evidence a) that the primary reason for a father not to pay child support is unemployment (which is an implied premise in your complaints about this legislation) and b) that contrary to this law, fathers who do not have the means are being imprisoned?
You have provided no evidence of such a war of annihilation.
I’d like to see some evidence that people who are imprisoned for failure to pay child support are sent to the prisons where–according to you–they are subjected to gang rape and constant violence. I don’t think prison rape should be minimized or joked about, but before you get me to agree that this is an inevitable product of imprisonment you will have to show me some evidence.
“I guess it’s better for children to starve on the streets than to make men act like adults and take responsibility for their children.”
The standard feminist mantra of “step up, shape up, man up” simply does not work when a man loses his job.
So, Anthony … do you support Just Detention too, like I do? Are you an advocate for people who are raped in prisons, like I am? Have you emailed Eric Holder asking for stricter national standards against prison rape, like I have?
Or is your activism confined to feeling really bad for men whose children suffer because Dad can’t financially support them?
So it’s feminisms fault that the current prison system is aimed at containment and punishment? Feminists were complaining that politicians are “soft on crime”? Feminists were pushing for Three Strikes laws?
Maybe we can get back to the topic at hand and blame the victim, if the dead beat dads don’t want to go to jail where all those “violent inmates” (I take that to mean “brown inmates”) perhaps they should act like adults and pay their child support.
Speaking of campaigns people support, why are you supporting children starving in the streets?
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You may never have raped anyone — as you’ve repeatedly insisted, as if this should win you a prize – but “in your own way” you’re thinking like an abuser.[/quote]
Thoughtcrime!
Awww…Mr. Zarat refuses to bother refuting what I said. *goes back to her delicious sammich*
“I’d like to see some evidence that people who are imprisoned for failure to pay child support are sent to the prisons where–according to you–they are subjected to gang rape and constant violence. I don’t think prison rape should be minimized or joked about, but before you get me to agree that this is an inevitable product of imprisonment you will have to show me some evidence.”
Are you kidding me? They are sent to prison, and even the man-hating Futrelle has written a number of articles about what happens to men in prison.
As to “evidence”, women control 700 women’s studies departments which regularly produce a ream of “evidence” supporting the feminist war on men and boys.
I would LOVE to have 700 male studies departments to show evidence of details like the specific victimization of inmates incarcerated for child support non-payment, compared to the the general population, BUT THERE ARE NO MALE STUDIES DEPARTMENTS TO DO THIS WORK. The feminist strangle hold on the academic perspective of gender is the reason that every feminist always asks for “references”.
The impossibility of obtaining any such “study” from a male perspective is precisely why I asked for you OPINION. What do you THINK happens to male inmates? There is no factual answer, because there are no male studies departments to find the answer. You know that, because you (and feminists like you) keep it that way.
I only want an opinion. DO YOU HAVE THE AFFRONTERY TO TELL ME THAT YOU THINK THAT MEN INCARCERATED FOR CHILD SUPPORT NON PAYMENT ARE SPARED THE HORRORS OF VIOLENCE AND RAPE? Just want to see if you have the courage to say such a thing.
Lol, banned. So predictable.
I won’t bother replying to Anthony’s earlier post to me because it’s already been handled with aplomb, but I do want to address two things he said…
More men suffer cervical and fallopian tube cancer? More men die during childbirth? I could make a list, but a couple of examples should suffice to point out how little homework this putz does. It’s already been pointed out how much of medicine and medical studies had been skewed towards men, but there’s another thing to point out – feminists have worked hard to make advances for women (and men).
I take seriously men’s rights advocates who work hard to make advances for men (and women) without spending all their time demonizing women. I don’t know about south of the border, but up here once a year Safeway fundraises for breast cancer and once a year they fundraise for prostate cancer. The men (and women) who have worked tirelessly for prostate cancer as a cause? My hat is off to them and I donate. They don’t sit at their computers whining about all the attention given to breast cancer, they got out and made a difference.
What’s funny is that the worst reaction he’s received so far has been getting called a “putz” (which I am guilty of). Yet he has ignored people, misrepresented legislation, thrown out strawfeminists galore, used the term “femi-facists”, accused us of supporting rape and violence, and so much more. Yet it’s us that are stewing in hate?
That’s irony. That’s hypocrisy. That’s cognitive dissonance. But worst of all? That’s just sad.
And MRAL? Stop overreacting for crying out loud. Forget about being a “Facial Alpha” or a “Body Alpha”, stop being a friggin’ Personality Omega.
It must be past MRAL’s bedtime.
Shhhhhhhh… he’s having his afternoon nap.
Serious suggestion for MRAL – if you are going to type the word “fuck”, stop. Walk away from the keyboard for 5 minutes. When you come back, ask yourself if what you’re responding to deserves that kind of reaction, or if you should instead respond calmly and, if appropriate, with citations.
Zarat, everyone here keeps showing you facts and you continue to ignore them. Why do you refuse to learn about child support modification for fathers that lose their jobs or have changes in their wages? You can print out the forms online. You don’t need a lawyer to do this. You can read about the 1998 California Supreme Court case Moss vs. the Superior Court to see how one man had the state laws changed to help unemployed fathers.
If a man has a job, his wages can be garnished by the state, so he doesn’t have to lift a finger to make sure his payments are made on time. If he works under the table, then he has the responsibility of paying whatever amount the court decides. If he ignores the court order, he is in contempt of court and could face fines and jail time. My concern is the states aren’t enforcing child support orders well enough, and it’s causing children to suffer from poverty. I’m not sad for dads who get in trouble for not making child support payments, because they are afraid they can’t have a fancy car or XBox if they pay for their own children’s basic needs.
Can a custodial parent decide, “I don’t want to buy food for my child, because I want more money for myself”? No, if he or she did, it would be child neglect. Why should that be any different for the non custodial parent?
Oh, lord, are we letting a perfectly entertaining thread about misogynists’ dating woes turn into yet another long whine about how unfair it is that men aren’t allowed to let their children starve? This stuff makes me feel bad to be human.
I already wrote way too long a post about this in a previous thread, but my grandpa had to drop out of school at sixteen and become the “man of the house” because his father abandoned the family. My great-grandmother had to do the same thing, for the same reason, except that it was even harder for her to be the “man” since there weren’t any blue-collar jobs for women that paid a living wage. Short answer to Anthony’s “Why are there all these laws requiring parents to support their children?” …because we tried it the other way, and it sucked.
Okay, discussion over. Back to picking on guys who think they’re really nice because they just cheer for rapists, rather than raping women themselves.
I like how Zarat thinks the majority of all inmates are in there for violent crimes, apparently.
“where–according to you–they are subjected to gang rape and constant violence. I don’t think prison rape should be minimized or joked about, but before you get me to agree that this is an inevitable product of imprisonment you will have to show me some evidence.”
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=1FTAyY7O0XEC&oi=fnd&pg=PR3&dq=Percentage+of+men+raped+in+prison&ots=5hKJjp0Wa9&sig=I8n-0CQeXdp4HvDHN_RKmc73jh4#v=onepage&q=Percentage%20of%20men%20raped%20in%20prison&f=false
It’s closer to 7%, although about a third are the subjects of sexual coercion and other sex related problems; but not rape.
“I take seriously men’s rights advocates who work hard to make advances for men (and women) without spending all their time demonizing women. I don’t know about south of the border, but up here once a year Safeway fundraises for breast cancer and once a year they fundraise for prostate cancer. The men (and women) who have worked tirelessly for prostate cancer as a cause? My hat is off to them and I donate. They don’t sit at their computers whining about all the attention given to breast cancer, they got out and made a difference.”
Seriously.
Not to mention that the people who are engaging in that type of work don’t berate the other sex and rant about the attention the other causes get. They just do the work and make people aware of those things, and they’re hella passionate about it all, too.
My husband doesn’t believe me when I tell him MRAL sometimes gets so worked up he starts typing wrong. Like, he types all the sputtering and cussing he’d do if he were speaking the words. I mean, how is that even a thing?
I actually wonder at MRAL’s keyboard budget….how many new keyboards does he need a year?
Anthony Zarat: How does it benefit society to put anyone in prison? One might say that fathers who have nothing to fear except their ex complaining about them not making support payments don’t have any incentive to actually pay. That would make the deterrent effect a net gain; should enough of those parents (note, the laws are gender neutral), decide to pay, rather than spend their days in prison.
What we “throw” taxpayer money on is people with dependent children (AFDC = Aid to Families with Dependent Children, commonly called “welfare”).
The second issue you tried to blame feminists for (prison abuse) isn’t sometihng to blame them for. It’s an issue lots of people who are feminists happen to be actively trying to fix (see, for example, the FCLA, for people working to improve the conditions in American prisons).
What, one wonders, apart from whining on Man Boobz, have you been doing to change those conditions in prison?
No. The NOW campaign has resulted in cases (Idaho) of decades long imprisonment for late child support.
Wow…. it is MAGIC. A change they want made to the laws has already caused multiple (cases) incidents of decades of time spent in prison.
That’s impressive.
Or not. Because what you did was move goalposts. You referred to one proposed law (Rhode Island) and then made an unsubstantiated claim that multiple men in another state (Idaho) have been incarcerated because of NOW.
Which means you are dishonest. If you can show 1: That men have already spent decades in prison for failure to pay child support, and 2: That this was something NOW actively campaigned for, you might have the basis for an argument.
Not the argument you are making (i.e. there should be no punsishment for parents who skip on their obligations to the children), but one for a better system of incentive to force parents to support their children.
But that’s not what you want to do. You want to have a temper tantrum about how the evil feminists are oppressing men by actually expecting them to live up to the requirements of a court order, and pretending this is part of a plan by feminists to “get back” at men because they hate them.
As to your claim about leaving if someone here says they know what goes on in prison… I do. It sucks. It’s one of the greatest shames in the present American society. I don’t support it. I don’t support it for anything.
And I think there are better ways to handle prison. I wish I could think of a better way to handle deadbeat parents, but without something more than the threat of garnishing wages for any over the table job they get, there isn’t.
And the children need to eat. You do remember the children… the actual people this money is being moved form one person to another to support.
No, of course you don’t. It’s all about how evil you think women are.
Zarat, you keep insisting we answer your question about prison rape. We addressed it. Now you can answer my question. A custodial parent can’t decide to stop providing clothes, food, and shelter for his or her children. Why should it be any different for the other parent?
The OP person makes me feel rly ill D:
Oh look what a surprise, MARL has tons of sympathy for the dude with no empathy, and then has a meltdown randomly at Rutee.
MRAs, they sulk like children when they don’t get what they want.
That’s all they really are, isn’t it? Sulky little children. They want everything to be their way, they throw a fit if it isn’t, they can only see issues in black and white, they won’t empathize with others yet expect the whole world to empathize with them…
Anthony Zarat was banned three hours ago. Why are you still asking Anthony questions?
Is Zarat gone already? I composed a little ditty for him and everything… :(
Out of the blue, a die-hard came blowin
‘Bout fathers and prison and child-support owin.
We gave him our facts,
Thought he’d stop in his tracks,
But no. Anthony kept on goin…
A troll of the mightiest calibur. Mowin
Through links and through data without even slowin.
Though he rage like all hell,
I think we know him well!
His name, I’m quite sure, might be… erm… hmm.
I haven’t quite finished the last verse yet.
Cats.
All poems and songs and w/e should end w/ Cats :3
or XD
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
Cats XD
Dildomuffin? It rhymes but I think it’s an insult to dildos and muffins…both awesome things imo
Sorry, folks, away from the Internets for awhile. Just pulled a bunch of stuff from the spam filter/moderatio queue, including a batch of things from Anthony Zarat.
ahh I’m late to this party, and I see 94 comments so I know we’ve done some major lateral moves topic wise and that there’s an mra that’s appeared to entertain us, what is it this time? *clicks comments” Oh A CHILD SUPPORT RANT, from a dead beat dad, likely. Oh look feminists are to blame for the prison system.
I think- well, first of all, I would need the source to see if it’s really jail time and if it’s PRISON and not jail. That’s my first question. Secondly, I chuckle at the guy admitting this is a man’s issue. Are there dead beat moms? Yes. I know some. But it must be that the people least willing to support their kids are men. I thought men were great fathers and feminists were busy trying to take fathers away from kids. I’ve known for twenty years by reading Steinem that the OPPOSITE is true, and she did a very recent Steven Colbert appearance reiterating that. Parenting not being shared is the number one reason women don’t advance at work, or are held back in some cases.
And not only that, but a lot of them don’t get child support. Ahhhh back to the start here. Child support -and some ranty guy admitting that’s a men’s issue. Thanks, I knew it mostly was. Society treats men like grown up coddled babies in this arena. Now, here’s something anecdotal. Had they locked my ex up he would not have gone on to create THREE MORE children with different women that he doesn’t support EITHER. I suppose this is the fault of feminists, too.
‘I suppose this is the fault of feminists, too.’ Theresa
Of course we all know that everything is the fault of feminism. Even the stuff that directly contradicts other stuff that is the fault of feminism.
http://pervocracy.blogspot.com/2011/04/imaginary-feminism-101.html
“Are you kidding me? They are sent to prison, and even the man-hating Futrelle has written a number of articles about what happens to men in prison.”
I just produced an article that indicated that the sexual violence is not so common as you think. The regular violence may be, but what david said is… irrelevant compared to what the evidence indicates, and the evidence for sexual violence is that the rape isn’t so common, but the sexual harrassment and assault are.
“As to “evidence”, women control 700 women’s studies departments which regularly produce a ream of “evidence” supporting the feminist war on men and boys.”
No, you’re confusing research with teaching, there. While a non-zero number of such departments invariably engage in research, it is also not 100% of them, same as any other field.
“I would LOVE to have 700 male studies departments to show evidence of details like the specific victimization of inmates incarcerated for child support non-payment,”
That’s uselessly specific for a study. You should instead provide evidence that men and women are generally victimized in prison, and then seperately provide evidence that men going to prison for child support non-payment is a common thing. You’re not very good at research, are you?
“BUT THERE ARE NO MALE STUDIES DEPARTMENTS TO DO THIS WORK.”
We call them “Social studies departments”.
“The feminist strangle hold on the academic perspective of gender is the reason that every feminist always asks for “references”.”
No, technically everyone should ask for references, period, on anything that is asserted as a fact claim. It’s good practice to be sure something is factually correct before taking it as correct.
But yes, our claims are actually born out by reality, yours are not, so we also ask for references because we know you can’t substantiate your claims. Yet you think you’re right anyway.
“Thoughtcrime!”
You do know what a crime is, yes?
Anthony Zarat/AntZ – I presume you are the same person. You weren’t banned. Notice, all of your rants (well, I presume all of your rants) are all up where they belong. Sometimes posts get moderated on this blog for a variety of reasons. Try some patience…Dave probably has better things to do than hang out here all day every day waiting for a comment that needs to be let through a spam filter.
Ah, that was unspecific. “Sexual violence is not so common as you think IN PRISON”. Relatively low rape incidence rate. Still higher than the general populace, not nearly so high as the media would have you think.
Sorry, folks, away from the Internets for awhile. Just pulled a bunch of stuff from the spam filter/moderatio queue, including a batch of things from Anthony Zarat.
I particularly chuckled at the moderated comment that he thought was banned. Like many trolls, his goal was to aggravate, prevent the regulars from having a normal discussion, until he gets banned. It’s what the dateless do on evenings, apparently; I have no idea what they get out of it though.
looks like he came back with a nym change, however.
not nearly so high as the media would have you think.
but he would have looked foolish trying to source his comments to “The Shawshank Redemption”
Antz is indeed Anthony Zarat, or else they are identical twins using the same computer.
So I’ll just call you AZ: AZ, you weren’t banned; you were caught in the spam filter.
Now, if you look at the comment policy here, you’ll see that you broke a bunch of my comment rules: you derailed a thread with a completely off-topic rant; you misrepresented my post and me in general (I never claimed this guy was an MRA; not everyone I write about is); your comments are full of hyperbolic insults and abusive language.
And, as has been made clear many times already by others in this thread, you’re generally full of shit. That’s not a bannable offense, though.
So yes, feel free to keep posting, though I’d prefer you not employ sockpuppets. Pick one identity and stick with it.
And could you do a favor for me: before continuing with your child support bullshit, please make at least one comment that is about the OP.
The feminist strangle hold on the academic perspective of gender is the reason that every feminist always asks for “references”.
You are literally saying that facts have a feminist bias? Loooool
Hey David, does our friend Arizona happen to be our old friend of many forms? He does seem to fit the pattern for content, if not for venom.
Hey, Anthony! Assume that you suddenly get dictatorial control over the US, or at least a small part of it. You can get rid of all the laws you hate. As far as child support is concerned, you can make your perfect world, your Republic.
1. Who keeps the children when the parents split up? Is there a competence test, where the kids go to whoever is determined to be a better parent, or does the father get custody in all cases?
2. If the latter, why should the father always get custody? I mean, you say feminists hate fathers more or less automatically, but I want to hear your case for why we should like them.
3. How would you ensure that children whose parents split up are fed and supported?
I know the thread has moved past MRAL outburst, but I have something to say to him.
MRAL, I get that you’re lonely. I get that being lonely sucks. I know first hand what it feels like. In fact, I feel it right now. But you know what? Neither of us is owed a relationship. That’s something that has to be freely given.
But right now, with your current temperament, I’m glad you’re lonely. You deserve to be. Until you can learn to control your temper, you deserve to be as far away from a relationship as you could possibly get. You can’t even hold your rage in on a blog comment thread. This isn’t even live chat. You have every option of simply looking at the posts you write, and asking yourself, “Hey, should I click ‘post comment’ or should I cool off a bit first?” The very fact that you can’t do that shows that you have severe anger issues and poor impulse control.
There are a lot of women in my life who I care very much about. I wouldn’t want someone like you dating them. I wouldn’t wish that on a woman I couldn’t stand, either.
*applauds Spearhafoc*
“That girl was a mean girl, no? And by being disrespectful toward men, and prejudiced toward men, wasn’t she asking men to behave badly toward her? The only men she gave attention and physical affection to were the ones who hurt her back.”
Seriously, though, this dude is a total douche. From what I’ve read, she was at most ‘disrespectful’ toward ONE man (not ALL men, interesting slippage which indicates a god-complex there). How is she a ‘mean’ girl again? And again we see this conflation between ‘woman reject man = woman hate man’, and the following false equivalence between quietly hating men and willfully refusing to sleep with the ‘nice’ ones and, y’know, rape.* I’m going to say this slowly for MRAL in his overemotional in-need-of-a-nap state. Rejection. Is. Not. The. Same. As. Rape. And. Does. Not. Justify. Rape.
*Here disguised in the euphemism ‘behave badly toward her’…seriously, how tortured is that sentence in its attempt to grammatically erase the RAPIST’S agency? Bah.
So Mr Dog is saying that if he has a submissive girlfriend and he get beat up by a thug and his submissive girlfriend is too afraid to help him, it’s his fault and therefore he should date a macho feminist with a black belt in karate that will be able to help him ? :)
@Tabby Lavalamp
“Oh fucking hell. Is the bar for victimhood that friggin’ low in MRAland? Being rejected by a girl he was infatuated with in high school doesn’t make him a “victim”, you putz.”
The bar for women is appallingly low; ask a woman out in an evevator and she’ll be a victim plus the man will deemed creepy. Maybe even worse for not leaving her an escape route.
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@cynickal
“Maybe it wuold give him some ideas on what it means to be human. Because right now, he’s failing.”
Sounds like another feminist not seeing someone as human, yet they love to throw the ,”not seeing women as human” in everyones faces.
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@cynickal
“You do realize that these laws are intended for THE State to be refunded the cost of providing child care for Scoff-Laws who refuse to take EQUAL responsibility for the care and support of they children they created then abandoned, don’t you?”
Of course you could just give men equal custody like they fight for after divorce/seperation. But that would take the profit and power away from women.
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@Bee
“Is Anthony Zarat smart enough to understand that this site is about making fun of misogyny wherever it is found and not only in MRMland, and that David never represented Dog as an MRA?”
Misogyny is anyone who disgrees with any woman.
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@Rutee
“But you know, I really don’t like Child Support as a system. I want to replace it with a small income tax on everyone, and all parents get the money back.”
Thats communism/socialism/marxism, synonymous with feminism.
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@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
” The one with the United States of America, whose Supreme Court just recently ruled on the issue of support modification.”
Since we know without a doubt that men are imprisoned for failing to pay child support due unemployment/underemployment and as Anthony Zarat stated it costs 120K a year for incarceration, why incarcerate? Since the average child support payment is $200.00 a week which equals $10,400.00 a year. One year of prison equals 11 years of child support payments, why doesn’t Big Daddy just pay the child support, it’s way cheaper? The only answer is women enjoy the power of wielding the violence of the State. What else could it be?
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@Rutee
“This isn’t generally a problem for feminists, because the inequality of abortion laws is self-evident to thinking people. But he specifically claimed the laws themselves, and not merely the legal system, were biased against men; that needs to be sourced.”
Men have no rights to a live child, therefore no reproductive rights. What source could you possibly need?
Since we know without a doubt that men are imprisoned for failing to pay child support due unemployment/underemployment and as Anthony Zarat stated it costs 120K a year for incarceration, why incarcerate? Since the average child support payment is $200.00 a week which equals $10,400.00 a year. One year of prison equals 11 years of child support payments, why doesn’t Big Daddy just pay the child support, it’s way cheaper? The only answer is women enjoy the power of wielding the violence of the State. What else could it be?
Someone did not bother reading the decision, the law prior to the decision, the history of the law surrounding the decision or actually reading anything at all.
Tell me NWOaf, do you ever get tired of being wrong?
haha, I love when David shows up and gives the trolls some little hoops to jump through.
All this talk about Mr Dog…
A. Zarat, if I understand you correctly, you’re implying that he will be raped. Rape is bad. We should definitely have empathy with people who are raped. Stopping rape is, indeed, a noble and just cause.
…Why do I feel like this thread is going in circles?
“Now, if you look at the comment policy here, you’ll see that you broke a bunch of my comment rules: you derailed a thread with a completely off-topic rant; you misrepresented my post and me in general (I never claimed this guy was an MRA; not everyone I write about is); your comments are full of hyperbolic insults and abusive language.”
I learned a lot from early feminist writers and activists. Opressed gropus achieve nothing by playing nice. Think “cat and mouse act”.
“Nobody gets anything And, as has been made clear many times already by others in this thread, you’re generally full of shit.”
The MRM cry for equality, dignity, and humanity is but a whisper in the maelstrom of feminist hatred. It is not surprising that the ideas are not mainstream.
“So yes, feel free to keep posting, though I’d prefer you not employ sockpuppets. Pick one identity and stick with it.”
I assure you that in choosing the short hand “AntZ” instead of “Anthony Zarat”, I was not attempting to fool anyone. You will find me posting under both names on MRM sites also.
Interestingly, amidst all of the White Knights and would be saviours working so hard to “protect” women, the MRA population is, in general, the only group that actually respects women. We believe that women are the equal of men, and do not need special protection and privilege.
Oh crap, please ignore my comment above. I got to the end of the first page of comments and didn’t realize there was a second page. I fail at life.
Daphne: Actually, your comment works very nicely right where it is (AZ is so utterly circular that he can’t get off that one topic).
Ummm…no you really do not Mr. Zarat. Generally someone who respects a woman does not use the kind of vile language that you do.
@mediumdave
“But there is simply no basis for the alarmist nonsense that you’re selling here, and I think you’re getting as angry as you are because you believe “in your heart” that you are right, even though the facts don’t agree.”
Actually his facts are right on the money, it’s just feminist ideology that can’t agree. Only women suffer and only women can be victims. Women can never be oppressive singularly, as a group or by law.
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@cynickal
“Yep, I can tell that by the BILLIONS of child support dollars that are withheld by fathers from their children.”
If you really understood the facts you’d know fathers seperated from their children are far more likely to pay than the rare occasions where mothers are. Also those deadbeat dads are disproportionally incarcerated compared to their counterpoints.
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@cynickal
“I guess it’s better for children to starve on the streets than to make men act like adults and take responsibility for their children.”
Or divorced fathers could get equal custody like they wanted in the first place. The only reason for denying equal custody would be for the money, or vengence if you prefer.
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@Joanna
” MRAs, they sulk like children when they don’t get what they want.”
Women, feminists in particular employ the violence of the state.
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@Theresa (@BooBooMatrix)
“Parenting not being shared is the number one reason women don’t advance at work, or are held back in some cases.”
But if after divorce men have to fight for equal custody, doesn’t that mean women are holding themselves back? it’s almost like women can’t avoid being victims. And the flip side of the coin is men being unable to avoid being oppressors.
@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
“Someone did not bother reading the decision, the law prior to the decision, the history of the law surrounding the decision or actually reading anything at all.
Tell me NWOaf, do you ever get tired of being wrong?”
Whew, thank goodness I’m wrong. For a minute there I thought men were thrown into debtors prison which was abolished long ago. I mean it would be pretty cold of women to have men tossed in prison for 10K a year while costing 120K a year which would pay 11 years of child support. Plus the cost of police work and such. You’re talkin probably the entire 18 years of support for 1 year of prison for a man losing his job.
Thanks for setting me straight! I was all wrong. Because you said so.
Elizabeth,
No, he does not. In fact, it’s what he lives for.
“Generally someone who respects a woman does not use the kind of vile language that you do.”
I am pretty much a vile person. I treat both sexes equally badely. Asking me to use special children’s language when speaking to women, so that the “delicate” sex is not offended, indicates that YOU do not respect women.
I suppose I have to answer a few personal attacks, quickly:
“It must be past MRAL’s bedtime” => I am 42 years old.
“… from a dead beat dad, likely …” => Nope, married, two boys.
“… I get that you’re lonely …” => 6 mo old and 6 yr old at home, never lonely
Feels bade, man.
Oppressed groups not playing nice by… breaking comment policies. I see.
AZ: he’s like Malcom X, in a way.
Anthony…those quotes were not directed at you?
The Nice Guy Theory:
The Nice guy live in fear that his inability to use violence as masculine equity leaves him helpless in attracting beautiful women and even worst, leaves him vulnerable to having beautiful women pouched from him by Violent Men.
As a defense mechanism our Nice guy…
Denigrates women as being Disloyal,
Lionize Violent Rapist and Abusers as Alpha Males
Seeks kinship with these violent men by justifying their actions
and finally stunting his own growth with this dangerously castrating self fulfilling prophesy.
I choose to go my own way and not complain.
Like a Man Should.
Anthony Zarat, the bedtime comment was directed at “Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant”, and was likely a jab at his maturity rather then a reference to his actual age.