Do feminists hate mass murderer Anders Breivik … because he’s a white guy?
Another beleaguered white dude.
So here’s the strangest response I’ve seen so far to the massacre in Norway. On Sofiastry, an antifeminist blog that seems to be broadly sympathetic to the “alt” (that is, the “intellectually” racist) right, blogger Sofia complains that feminist bloggers – she cites me and Hugo Schwyzer – are talking about the blatant anti-feminism and misogyny of mass murderer Anders Breivik. “The mendacious corollary they are trying to construct,” she writes, falling into the purple prose Alt-Righters seem drawn to like flies on bullshit, “is that all those opposed to feminist principles must be in league with all sorts of unsavory radicals.”
As I’ve already noted, this is not actually true; Sofia is being, well, mendacious. Yes, I pointed out the similarities between Breivik’s noxious misogynistic beliefs and, well, the noxious misogynistic beliefs of an embarrassingly large number of antifeminists and MRAs. But at no point did I (or, for that matter, Hugo) suggest that these people supported his despicable actions.
After purporting to be shocked – shocked! – that anyone would connect Breivik with the antifeminists of the world, Sofia offers an appreciation of sorts for Breivik’s awful manifesto. Waxing pompous yet again, she writes:
[A]lthough his actions were cruel beyond belief, and committed by a delusional, psychopath driven by his delusions of political grandeur, there is lucidity and sense in much of what he writes. He never seemed to explicitly advocated for a genocide of Muslims within Europe, but superficially claimed that he just wanted to sustain European culture.
So, let’s weigh Breivik’s pros and cons here. CON: He murdered 76 people in cold blood, motivated by a hateful ideology. PRO: He didn’t explicitly call for actual genocide?
Here’s where it gets weird. Really weird.
I feel that Breivik is being tried for more than his cruelty within the feminist community. The fact that he belongs to the privileged group of the white male makes him hate-worthy along with every other privileged white male who might sympathize with his ideology, even if they don’t happen to be psychotic. Breivik exemplifies White Men, even though Osama Bin Laden to the very same liberal ideologues did not represent Every Muslim.
It’s another symptom of our culture that feels it is OK to hold white men to higher standards of political correctness, self-flagellation and martyrdom whilst simultaneously relentlessly berating and mocking them on a cultural level.
Yep, that’s right. We hate Breivik … because he’s a white dude.
She continues on in this vein:
The subtle manifestations of an anti-white male agenda could be expounded upon for some time, even in the sexual sphere. In porn, the genre of cuckolding usually involves black men fucking white women to the dismay of her white husband. Something tells me this wouldn’t be acceptable if a black man were to stand helplessly by while a white male was sexually coercive with a black female.
Somehow we started off talking about mass murder and ended up talking about … cuckolding porn?
What. The. Fuck?
Posted on July 26, 2011, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, idiocy, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reactionary bullshit, terrorism. Bookmark the permalink. 283 Comments.
I could care less what colour a mass murderer is. I loathe them for being a mass murderer.
And it is not the same thing as been a mass killer, there is a difference.
if only he wasn’t white! then he’d be OK!
But seriously, it’s good to know there are people out there looking out for the interests of white men.
No, I hate him because he’s beautiful.
Jesus fucking christ. What the fuck, I don’t even. This shit is getting fucking ridiculous.
Why is everyone twisting themselves around when it comes to this guy? He spewed hateful, disgusting bullshit and then he killed a lot of people, many of them teenagers. What is with this fucking bending backwards to give him sympathy? He’s lucid? He’s got some good ideas, shame about that whole murdering children in cold blood thing.
I mean seriously, what the fuck? If a Muslim man did this exact same thing, with similar wording and views in that hateful shitpile of a manifesto, do you think for a hot second we’d hear anything but a complete denunciation of this man and everything he stands for?
And lady, if you think this murderous shitbag exemplifies White Men, well. Lets just say you have a far worse opinion on White Men then I ever will….
Johnny Pez wins the intertubes…and my heart
In porn, the genre of cuckolding usually involves black men fucking white women to the dismay of her white husband. Something tells me this wouldn’t be acceptable if a black man were to stand helplessly by while a white male was sexually coercive with a black female.
Sounds like she’s been doing a bit of fantasizing wanking research.
curse you WordPress. “fantasizing wanking” were supposed to be strikethroughs.
…hey, wait. I kinda like it the way it came out.
if a black man were to stand helplessly by while a white male was sexually coercive with a black female.
in America, we call this the Jefferson administration
are you intentionally missing the point there? i’m saying he’s being tried for MORE than being a murderer, as his beliefs, ideologies, and background seem to be invoked more than it would be for a muslim within the liberal/feminist community. you can’t deny that people are exploring the MRA/nationalist aspect MORE than if it were to be a muslim terrorist act since i’ve never heard a news outlet or feminist blog criticize islam.
and yes, you can link cuckoldry porn… it’s called abstracting a general principle/idea and linking it to other manifestations of the same prejudice.
I do think she has a point.
When a Muslim commits an atrocity there’s more of a “mind how you walk, mind how you talk” type of vibe from the Left.
Brevik ticks the race, gender and (probably) class privilege boxes so these same people can give themselves over more fully to making the same associations between Brevik and other ideological strands/demographics (i.e. male anti-feminists) that they usually chastise the right for doing with Muslims in response to Muslim violence.
Shora,
I don’t think offering an opinion that he had some good ideas is offering sympathy. You can have an opinion about somebody’s ideas and a different one about their actions and personality. “Sofia” does call him a delusional psychopath, which seems like a strange way of offering sympathy.
So, she does seem to do the obligatory moral quarantine of his personality. As far as his ideas go, the plain fact is that Brevik is probably not clinically retarded. So a non-retard apparently churns out 1500 pages of opinions that weren’t actual gibbering, people will wind up agreeing here and there. This really shouldn’t be so much of a shock to have people throwing their hands up and wailing over it.
As far as exemplifying white men goes, I think “Sofia” means exemplifying in the eyes of liberals. I don’t know about that, there are liberals who do think that the white male “kyriarchy/patriarchy/power elite” or whatever would just love to gas and shoot all the lefties, minorities etc. etc. and Brevik is their true voice but I really think a lot of libs just recognize the guy was a far right nutter.
Johnny Pez wins the intertubes…and my heart
The former is commonplace, the latter a treasure beyond price.
I thought most anti-racists didn’t like cuckolding porn that much because it’s kind of weird and racist. I mean, yes, people should be able to masturbate to whatever they want to, your fantasy isn’t hurting anyone else, but My Daughter Is Fucking Blackzilla #12 is hardly the vanguard of anti-racist thought.
Cuckold porn? CUCKOLD PORN?!
And Glen Beck is comparing the children that died that day to the Hitler Youth?
You know what? It’s the first really nice day after an oppressive heat wave. I think… I’m going to go outside. For a good long while.
Glen Beck is what? I…I…I…I…*sigh* I don’t even…
Something tells me this wouldn’t be acceptable if a black man were to stand helplessly by while a white male was sexually coercive with a black female.
If I weren’t on an office computer, I could probably find an example of this in under five minutes. Have we forgotten Rule 34 so quickly?
@Alex: Read, and be sad:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/glenn_beck_is_still_on_the_air.php
(I thought you read pharyngula?
Like I said in the two thread about this Guy and the people defending/agreeing/yeah butting him: HOW HARD IS IT TOADMIT HE IS HORRIBLE AND ALL THE WAY WRONG!?
How hard can it possibly be???
@RW: i get that she’s trying to say that leftists see breivik as representative of “the white man” or whatever, the problem is that it’s a silly, untrue smear for which she has no proof, (shocker: large number of leftists still white men) designed to distract from the fact that there are actual racists (like, i dunno, anders breivik for instance), who actually do try to make every islamic terrorist a representative of the muslim world.
Uck. Typos via virtual keyboard. Sorry
“if only he wasn’t white! then he’d be OK!”
“Ian Huntley practising witchraft?!?! Oh you’re joking, I liked him!”
seriously, while the facts from oslo were still scant, a conservative columnist for a major paper took to the opportunity to blame muslims for it and to remind everyone that we have to be ever vigilant against the threat of scary muslims, and i can’t find a single example of any serious call to round up and gas all the white dudes now that we know the killer was one. why should anybody take this equivocation about how both side are the same seriously.
When a Muslim commits an atrocity there’s more of a “mind how you walk, mind how you talk” type of vibe from the Left.
Um. Because when you don’t know shit about a religion/culture that is a disadvantaged minority in your country you are more likely to be an inaccurate presumptuous asshole and inspire violence exactly like THIS?
“[A]lthough his actions were cruel beyond belief, and committed by a delusional, psychopath driven by his delusions of political grandeur, there is lucidity and sense in much of what he writes.”
I know that I am not going to get what I want, but I would *really* like people to stop conflating violence they don’t understand with mental illness. This dude was bad, but he was not crazy. He decided to believe things that were wrong and then he acted on those beliefs in a completely and totally rational way.
Conflating crazy people with criminals makes the lives of mentally ill people more difficult and makes the lives of the victims of crime more difficult because people think “X person I know can’t be a rapist because rapists are crazy and X isn’t crazy”, “X person can’t beat their spouse”, “X person is completely safe to work with even though they constantly talk about being frustrated with their job and life and how they should be able to carry concealed weapons,” etc. forever.
RW; I never said that Breivik was clinically retarded. I’m confused as to why you brought it up. He’s a horrible human being who did an atrocious thing. I don’t understand why people in the far right are twisting around this issue so much.
Question; do you see anyone wandering about saying that maybe Hitler had some good points who weren’t racist fuckheads? Also, do you really believe yourself that “this man committed a horrible atrocity and murdered children but he naturally has some good points here and there” is an appropriate response to this tragedy? really? Really? Does ANYONE actually believe this?
So now we got to “mind how you walk, mind how you talk” around white dudes? White dudes that are destroying the economics of the western world with their credit defaults and their austerity? White dudes who are killing tens of thousands of brown dudes and ladies and children every month? White dudes that have arrested and imprisioned a quarter of the brouwn population in this country?
Yeah, we’ll get right on that, Skippy.
ZRM: If he wasn’t white people might not remind them that not all terrorists are Muslim
And his extrapolation of rhetoric to action makes them look bad. It is also chilling to see the way he moves from a legitimate concern about genuine problems to an unspeakably evil “solution.” which is bad because, When it emerged that these acts of terror were the work of a native Norwegian who thought he was striking a blow against jihadism and its enablers, it was immediately clear to me that his violence will deal a heavy blow to an urgent cause.
That was an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal.
So yeah, it bothers them, a lot, that this might show they are encouraging the most active terrorists in the country.
I’d want to put some serious spin on that.
RW: The average terrorist in the US is white, male, Christian.
The averege Terrorist in Europe is Native, nationalist (which means, by and large, white and male).
But when they commit terrorism (e.g. Stack) it’s, “a disturbed man,”. Never mind his manifesto. Same when an Adkisson shoots up a church for being, “too liberal”. His manifesto, saying that when life gets to be too much to bear one ought not committ suicide, but rather murder some liberal so they will know to sit down and shut up so the conservatives can run the country… he’s just a loon.
Brievik, we keep being told (by MRA’s and racists, and right wingers) had, “legitimate concerns” but went too far. Brown people however, “hate out way of life”.
When we invaded their countries, and they fought back, we still heard these people bleating about how we’re upset; not because he killed almost a hundred people, but because he’s white.
when you try to make comparisons between saying we need to look at motivations of “Islamic” terrorism, and this, you forget that we have looked at his manifesto; and found it wanting.
Sharculese,
I didn’t agree with Sofia on that count either, but I brought it up because I thought Shora had misunderstood/represented the point (s)he was answering to.
Shora,
I know you didn’t say he was clinically retarded. I mentioned the guy’s brain to illustrate a point that if somebody of at least normal intelligence writes 1500 pages of his opinions then he’ll probably find people agreeing with him here and there.
I think the “he had some good ideas” reponse is fine as long as it comes packaged with an acknowledgement that his actions were crazy. I’m not sure if the “good ideas” stuff in response to the tragedy per se as it is to the aftermath attempts to lump Brevik in with other strands of thought. Eeither way I don’t really mind that much, I guess ymmv. I’d only say that it’s usually the left who chide people for their hysterical reactions to big stomach churners.
I’m not sure what you’re driving at with the Hitler analogy. If it’s that anybody who agrees that Brevik made good points is a secret endorser of child murder, then I’ll have to disagree.
nahida,
The left power dynamic argument never played well me because the same card (i.e. the media/cultural discourse promoting violence)can be played so many different ways.
“when you don’t know shit about a religion/culture that is a
disadvantaged minority in your country you are more likely to be an
inaccurate presumptuous asshole and inspire violence exactly like X”
“when you preach that society systematically oppresses you in
favour of white people you inspire violence exactly like X”
“when you systematically ignore the concerns of one ethic group as
beign invalid you push them into different outlets like X”
Political/media/cultural/whatever discourses that can arguably promote violence against particular groups, whetehr supposedly dominant or minority groups, is something that can be played every which way.
The Left thinks it only plays one way – majority group on minority group, because the majority
has the “power” to do harm, as if we’re perpetually one foot away from Kristallnacht. The reality
is different: almost anybody has the power to inflict grievous violence on anybody else. You need only a weapon (if that) and sufficient motivation.
cynickal,
I honestly think you help make my point. You seem to be saying that white dudes don’t deserve the “mind how you talk” treatment because of the sins of a subgroup within them, which is exactly the same reaction the right have when the left try to reign in their criticism of Muslims.
Pecunium,
Everything you say may be true, but I’m not here to defend the typical right wing view of the world. For example, :””Brievik had, “legitimate concerns” but went too far. Brown people “hate our way of life”.”” are pretty simplistic and not necessarily things I would agree with.
“[A]lthough his actions were cruel beyond belief, and committed by a delusional, psychopath driven by his delusions of political grandeur, there is lucidity and sense in much of what he writes.”
@Hideandseek: yeah, and she even says it right in this sentence.
She starts out by calling him delusional (twice! in one sentence! THAT”S WRITING GOOD!) and then goes on to to say his writing is lucid and sensible.
Can’t be both.
I don’t remember anyone holding their tongues and fawning all over Nidal Hassan. Is my memory wrong? I feel like there was a lot of confusion about why he would shoot up an army base all of a sudden, and a lot of people kind of pointing fingers and saying it was affirmative action’s fault he was there in the first place, since he obviously was mentally unstable, etc.
I also don’t see a lot of sympathy for murderers period. And I’m pretty fucking left-wing. I think I would have heard if we were doing that now.
Needless to say, it’s not a race thing. It’s a murderer thing. Sorry.
but rather murder some liberal so they will know to sit down and shut up so the conservatives can run the country…
Also, this.
In the manifestos, but also in the apologeia being issued by bucketload this week, it seems like about half of them end in some version of “but if you liberals and feminists would just SHUT UP, it won’t be necessary to shoot you.”
@zombie:
Because she agrees with many of his wrong beliefs, but isn’t committed enough to take the next logical step.
I think rightwingers do this all the time, they say something like: Homosexuality is an abomination! or Abortion is murder! but then when someone else takes the next logical step, like passing legislation to execute homosexuals or blowing up an abortion clinic, they’re surprised and can’t understand why people anyone would think that was a good thing to do and assume those people must be crazy or misinformed as to how one treats “abominations.”
ZRD- you could not be more right.
almost anybody has the power to inflict grievous violence on anybody else. You need only a weapon (if that) and sufficient motivation.
of course anyone can inflict grievous violence on anyone else. what only the majority can inflict on the minority is systematic targeting, mob violence without threat of repercussions, denial of educational/economic opportunities, etc. and these are things that happen on a day to day basis and that are much harder to respond to and reverse. which is why they don’t balance out and why your description of “the Left” (leftists: still not a monolithic entity) verges on caricature
ZRD- you could not be more right.
Hey! That’s not nice!…. Oh wait, you mean CORRECT, not RIGHT-WING. Sorry.
I think rightwingers do this all the time, they say something like: Homosexuality is an abomination! or Abortion is murder! but then when someone else takes the next logical step, like passing legislation to execute homosexuals or blowing up an abortion clinic, they’re surprised and can’t understand why people anyone would think that was a good thing to do and assume those people must be crazy or misinformed as to how one treats “abominations.”
As seen on the anti-abortion front, the leaders of the movement have discovered that if they stop at that point, that someone who is a bit less tightly screwed together will make the connection and take the next step for them. No need to get their own hands dirty, and it maintains their own plausible deniability, even if just barely. See the murder of Dr. Tiller (or heck, any of the doctor-killing bastards) or the frantic back-pedaling being done by Pamela Gellar.
Sharculese,
The only point I would concede is the possibility of denying educational/employment opportunities. Even then, I’d say it’s more of a subgroup within a majority group that has that kind of power, and moreover a subgroup that many other members may have little in common with.
As far as minorities being unable to use systematic targeting, mob violence etc. I really wonder about your grip on reality.
I use the “Left” as shorthand. Really I mean the hyper-left you find in the blogosphere.
This may be the least important point on the thread, but cuckold porn isn’t “coercive.” It’s supposed to be about “my wife is so much more pleased by this big black man than she is by me;” there’s no implications that she doesn’t consent.
I’ve never posted posted here before, but I wanted to add that when people talk about not all Muslims being like Osama bin Laden, it’s usually in the context of how most Muslims don’t agree with Osama bin Laden at all.
It’s “Plenty of Muslims believe Christians and Jews should be free to practice their religion in peace, don’t assume they’re all like Osama bin Laden.” or “Plenty of Muslims believe in equal rights for men and women, don’t assume they’re all like Osama bin Laden.” or “Plenty of Muslims believe the sinfulness of consensual sex is a matter between the practitioners and God, don’t assume they’re all like Osama bin Laden.”
It’s NOT: “Muslims all agree with Osama bin Laden, but because they don’t directly kill people for their beliefs, we should just pretend like they have nothing in common with him.”. But the MRAs are literally saying “We totally agree with Anders Breivik, but don’t compare us to him because……… eh MUSLIMS!”.
I mean, it’s a completely different category of comparison. I don’t think it would be very hard to find Muslims willing to denounce everything Osama bin Laden stands for (in fact, we have a whole organisation for them here in Denmark), or to find feminists willing to reject the SCUM Manifesto, but every part of Breivik’s manifesto revolving around feminism and gender roles reads like a freaking MRA manual, and the MRAs are not even denying it.
No, I’m pointing out that white males hold a disproportional power balance and privilege but you’re too much of a dumbshit to recognize that.
You’re not reasonable nor intellectual, you’re a bigot and we recognize it.
Now dot ve gotz dat oot ov de vay, ve can goez bak to zee pointz ov de post.
Let’s be realistic, if Anders Breivik was a Muslim, I’m sure Noam Chomsky and his fans would excuse him.
Sofia’s blog is partly part of the Human Biodiversity Movement (HBD), a group of people that believe that Asian people have a superior IQ than White people and White people have a superior IQ than other ethnic groups (Muslims, Latino-Americans, Blacks, … ). They call them NAMs (Non-Asian minorities). Most guys in the HBD movement are White nerds that have an inferiority complex and therefore believe that White people are persecuted. And many of them cannot get laid so they are part of the MRA movement too.
Ok… Let’s be realistic, if Anders Breivik was a Muslim, I’m sure Noam Chomsky and his fans would excuse him.
Define: “Excuse him.”
Show how what you think the Left would do is fundamentally different from what the apologists on the right are doing.
Explain why you aren’t actually criticising them, but rather bashing us.
No more mister nice guy: “Let’s be realistic, if Anders Breivik was a Muslim, I’m sure Noam Chomsky and his fans would excuse him.”
So, I said above that I don’t remember anyone coddling Nidal Hassan after the Ft. Hood shootings. Let’s throw John Muhammad in the mix too. I don’t remember anyone sympathizing with him after the Beltway sniper attacks. Can you show where Noam Chomsky or his fans did so, or is this just an unfounded feeling you have?
@Nobby,
I’ve heard of it, but no; I have yet to read pharyngula.
The averege Terrorist in Europe is Native, nationalist (which means, by and large, white and male).
This is technically correct but misleading. You could also say the average European terrorist is a Basque nationalist, separatist. The attacks of the separatists are mainly aimed at infrastructure not against people.
You could also say the average European terrorist is a Basque nationalist, separatist.
The Basques? Really? A few small terrorist groups operating in a single region of a single country represent ‘the average European terrorist’? No, you couldn’t say that.
Europol terrorism report 2008, page 16:
“Eighty-eight percent of all reported terrorist attacks are separatist terrorist attacks targeting France and Spain. The attacks were claimed by, or attributed to, Basque and Corsican separatist terrorism.”
https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/tesat2008_0.pdf
Huh, that’s interesting and I learned something new today, so thanks. Guess I was wrong.
The average European terrorist is a bit absurd in the first place. Lumping some many countries with different political situations together makes no sense.
Maybe, but in this context it’s still worth pointing out that Europe is, in fact, not awash in violence by some sinister Muslim “other.”
cynickal,
Cheers for that nonsense. I dislike intellectuals, and don’t claim to be one. I do try to be reasonable though, but I admit my patience is gone with the willfully moronic who probably DO fancy themselves intellectuals.
The white male = powerful is only partly true. The actual powermongers in our society, the type that the left fancies to have discretion over employment, education, military force etc. may well be disprorportionately white (and jewish), but the similarities with the average white man largely end there.
The average white man is the guy who’s more likely to get the shit kicked out of him by angry blacks who are, actually, pissed off at the powerful, insulated white man. Of course, don’t trouble yourself with such distinctions, they’re all white guys after all.
As far as media/political rhetoric leading to violence goes, I think even if I conceded that the “majority” can inflict more harm, it remains the case that the argument cuts all kinds of ways since it is in anybody’s hands to do some kind of grievous harm.
Anyway, enjoy your class, gender and race dogma. I’m out.
it remains the case that the argument cuts all kinds of ways since it is in anybody’s hands to do some kind of grievous harm.
ya, that was what you said the first time. repeating it isn’t responding. it’s just repeating yourself. are you sure you’re not just a racist?
actual powermongers in our society…disprorportionately white (and jewish)
guy who’s more likely to get the shit kicked out of him by angry blacks
ooookay, so you are just a racist. have fun taking your ball and going home, I guess?
Maybe, but in this context it’s still worth pointing out that Europe is, in fact, not awash in violence by some sinister Muslim “other.”
Absolutely, the huge majority of Muslims living in Europe are law-abiding citizens.
RW – Every time I’ve had the shit kicked out of me it was by white guys. I’m white, from a country where whites are a massive majority, so that makes total statistical sense.
Oddly enough it doesn’t make me hate and fear all white guys, because a much, much larger number of white guys (as well as guys of all other colours) have never kicked the shit out of me.
“Anyway, enjoy your class, gender and race dogma. I’m out.”
Yeah, don’t forget to go fuck yourself on the way out.
I’ve never heard of “alt-righters” before, but they seem to be just like regular right wing nutsos, but more willing to admit the fucked up shit they believe.
Same here, Graham. The people who complain about inter-race crime tend to ignore the fact that most violent crime is intra-racial. The people who have the most to fear from “angry blacks” are other black people. If RW finds black-on-white crime to be particularly intolerable for some reason, well, that’s his deal.
They needed to make up a name to distinguish their awful selves from an already pretty reprehensible group. That…says something.
A quote from a comment from someone calling themselves “Flavia” from that blog.
“It is irrelevant. Men will decide out (sic) fate. The question I am asking myself, is why the hell are men wasting all this time blogging, when they should be out cracking skulls. I’m serious. How much abuse are they willing to take? When we have a real revolution more women will fall in line. We always do.”
Is it just me, or is this woman basically saying she wants for women to have their skulls cracked if they don’t fall in line?
Fucking HELL. Maybe this woman should be locked up in a padded room for her own safety.
So now we got to “mind how you walk, mind how you talk” around white dudes? White dudes that are destroying the economics of the western world with their credit defaults and their austerity? White dudes who are killing tens of thousands of brown dudes and ladies and children every month? White dudes that have arrested and imprisioned a quarter of the brouwn population in this country?
Yeah, no bias there at all… god, hypocritical spineless self-hating liberals make me sick.
Face the truth, for fuck’s sake. After 9/11, while the conservatives were condemning the terrorist attacks as evil, liberal pukes like you were wondering “What have we done to provoke this?” When Muslims kill people in the name of Allah, it’s always hand-wringing and “Ooh, he’s not representative of the religion! stop being intolerant! We have to understand them! it’s our society’s fault!!!” But when a white European man goes on a killing spree, David and all of you have no problems whatsoever associating him with white people in general and MRAs in particular. Where’s your self-flagellation and apologism now? Freaking disgusting.
Graham, I am with you.
I live in Milwaukee. You know, the place where after some kids mugged a couple of people and trashed a convenience store, some Fox News creepo said Milwaukee was the kind of place where white liberals wouldn’t go after dark.
Well, I am a white liberal, and tonight, every night, I will be in Milwaukee after dark. In fact, I live about five blocks from the place where that even happened, and go by it -twice! every day. And still our house’s windows are not shot out every night (in fact, the only time someone broke our window, it was a drunken college student throwing a beer bottle through it. Dunno what race he was. Collegius Drunken Assholis, I think).
AND I do a majority of my professional work, when the White-Guy-Destroyed construction industry allows me, in the predominantly African-American parts of the city. In fact, four of my most successful projects were built on Martin Luther King, Jr. drive; in fact, are NAMED King Drive Commons 1, 2, 3, and 4.
And I have never experienced a beating at the hands of these black folks. They are my clients; some are my friends.
Anecdata, of course.
Oh good, Ion’s here. Well, I will then leave this thread to his stupid ministrations, and go do the work I should.
Ion, then you can join your buddy up there and go get fucked as well. If we disgust you so much, go fuck off back to some site that’ll make you happy and compare all those murdered kids to the fucking Hitler Youth.
Why don’t you STFU and go back to your wife and your “partner”… I think tonight it’s your turn to be the woman. Just like every night.
(sniveling geek David will put me on moderation for this but I honestly don’t care at this point)
Oh no, another mouth-breathing bottom-feeder on the internet is being disparaging about my personal life and my masculinity! Whatever shall I do, this has never happened before and it’s crushing me!
Yeah, nope, couldn’t type that and not laugh. That shit always makes me giggle, “Hurrr, yer a WOMAN!”, ooooh, devastating insult there sport. Totally original.
Not bad for funny, but do me a favor in the future and leave me out of your fantasies. Ick.
LOL, he banned me from the forum. Later, freaks.
Later, freaks.
GFY, stink-fisted dildobiscuit.
I didn’t have time to read all the comments, but I want to clear I am NOT condoning what Breivik did in ANY way. He is a murderer, and obviously that is wrong.
What I don’t find disagreeable is the notion that culturally homogeneous societies (NOT racially homogeneous) tend to function better than societies where you have two very identifiable nationalities that have a conflict of interests. This is why so many nationalistic movements occur, and we have the creation of new states through war. For context, it recently came out that every rapist who could be identified in the last five years (within Oslo) has been a man of foreign origin, often Muslim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&feature=player_embedded). The linked clip is from a Norwegian news station.
That obviously doesn’t mean “Every Muslim is a terrorist,” or “Muslims deserve to be killed.” It’s a factual statement that when ignored lead to disastrous social consequences. Undeniably there is an integration problem within Norwegian society, and you can attribute it to a number of things. So to argue that Muslims need to be assimilated better is an acceptable statement to make in light of those statistics. It’s stupid to extrapolate anything else from that or to call it hateful/racist or to think that every person who holds those beliefs is a radical.
The majority of Muslims, again to clarify, are not terrorists, or rapists. But when an overwhelming majority of rapists and terrorists are Muslims, then that indicates a serious problem. How can it not be? Alienation of minority groups in society never lead to any good, which is WHY it’s important to make cultural assimilation a priority. That has nothing to do with being anti-immigration or racist.. And I sincerely believe that Muslims would like to be integrated into Norwegian society instead of outside of it.