Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik’s manifesto reveals him to be a rabid antifeminist with views strikingly similar to many MRAs
Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, who killed more than 90 people in attacks on Friday, was motivated by a toxic mélange of far-right ideology largely revolving around his intense hatred of Islam. The 1500 page “manifesto” he posted to the internet – what appears to be a grab-bag of his own writing and material cut and pasted from assorted right-wing sites and even the Unabomber’s manifesto – crackles with denunciations of Muslims, “Marxists” and the assorted other bogeymen that haunt right-wing dreams.
And it’s also filled with denunciations of feminism that could easily have come from the posts and comments of Men’s Rights and misogynist “manosphere” blogs like The Spearhead, In Mala Fide, and, well, quite a few other sites I write about regularly on this blog. (Not to mention a few of this blog’s misogynist trolls.) In passage after passage, the ideology is the same, the language is the same, even the specific obsessions are the same – from no-fault divorce to the evils of “Sex and the City.” (Download the entire thing from the links here.)
I haven’t had time to go through the manifesto in great detail yet, but I wanted to share with you some selections from it that I think will strike most readers of this blog as strangely familiar.
The following selections, denouncing, among other things, the “’Sex and the City’ lifestyle,”appear to have been written by Breivik himself:
It’s the destructive and suicidal “Sex and the City” lifestyle (modern feminism, sexual revolution) which we are taught to revere as the truth. In that setting, men are not men anymore, but metro sexual and emotional beings that are there to serve the purpose as a never-criticising soul mate to the new age feminist woman goddess. The perfect matriarchy has now been fulfilled and complete equality has finally been achieved. The fact that mankind will seize to exist within three generations with this type of regime is irrelevant. Long live cultural Marxism! …
Isolated, “sex and the city lifestyle” is relatively harmless, but if you glorify it and ram it down the throat of mainstream society like we see today it becomes a lethal and destructive societal force as we are witnessing which eventually leads to a complete breakdown of moral/ethics, the nuclear family model and a sustainable fertility rate which again is leading us to the extinction of Europeans.
Breivik goes on to rant about STDs and no-fault divorce, before moving on to another favorite obsession of manosphere misogynists, the supposed sexual “capital” of manipulative women:
Females have a significantly higher proportion of erotic capital than males due to biological differences (men have significantly more prevalent sexual urges than females and are thus easily manipulated). The female manipulation of males has been institutionalised during the last decades and is a partial cause of the feminisation of men in Europe. This highly underestimated factor has contributed to the creation and rise of the matriarchal systems which are now dominating Western European countries. …
He also blames women for the spread of what he considers evil “cultural Marxism” and multiculturalism:
Fact: 60-70% of all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists are women. This partly explains why the gradual feminist revolution is directly linked to the implementation of multiculturalist doctrines. These feminist cultural Marxists do not only want more benefits and rights for themselves. They want it all, and have more or less been awarded with everything they could ever dream of achieving. They now have complete matriarchal supremacy domestically and exercise substantial influence in politics. …
Obsessed with the purported danger that Islam will outbreed the West, Breivik offers an assortment of creepy solutions to increase the fertility of Western whites. (It’s not altogether clear to me if these are all his own views, but they certainly are consistent with what he says elsewhere in the manifesto.) After suggesting limiting contraception and banning abortion, Breivik offers this “solution”:
Discourage women in general to strive for full time careers. This will involve certain sexist and discriminating policies but should increase the fertility rate by up to 0,1-0,2 points.
Women should not be encouraged by society/media to take anything above a bachelor’s degree but should not be prevented from taking a master or PhD. Males on the other hand should obviously continue to be encouraged to take higher education – bachelor, master and PhD. …
And then he’s back on his “Sex and the City” hobbyhorse:
Discourage women in general to strive for “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles. The mass media are currently actively glorifying/encouraging “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles which involves the glorification of casual sex, multiple sex partners and generally an extremely liberal individualistic lifestyle hostile to the traditional nuclear family values. As such, the non-restrictions of the mass media is the main cause for our unsustainable fertility rate of 1,5.
The indirect media/government glorification campaigns through individual artists, various series, movies and media coverage in general should reflect this new shift (no more glorification of “sex and the city lifestyles” or equivalent portrayals. No longer should women be pressured to have equal success regarding their career as males.
Womens “new role” should be actively illustrated and glorified through series, movies and commercials. This will involve significant restrictions in media freedoms and rights. These restrictions and reforms will result in an increased fertility rate of approximately 0,2-0,3 points.
The end result for implementing the above reforms would be an increase in the fertility rate up from 1,5 to approximately 2,1-2,4 which would be sustainable.
However, this will also involve significant restrictions in women’s rights and media rights.
And, like many in the manosphere, he also holds out hope for “artificial wombs,” which would of course reduce the inconvenience of relying on women to cooperate with his plans.
Large chunks of the manifesto consist of cut-and-pasted blog posts from an anonymous far-right Norwegian blogger known as Fjordman, whose now defunct blog can be found here. (According to Andrew Brown in the Guardian article linked to above, Breivik and Fjordman are not the same person.)
Here are some selections from the Fjordman posts that Breivik includes in his manifesto. Again, much of this will seem very familiar to many of you, I am sure.
For all the talk about “girl power” and “women kicking ass” which you see on movies these days, if the men of your “tribe” are too weak or demoralised to protect you, you will be enslaved and crushed by the men from other “tribes” before you can say “Vagina Monologues”. Which means that if you break down men’s masculinity, their willingness and ability to defend themselves and their families, you destroy the country. That’s exactly what Western women have done for the last forty years. ….
The male protective instinct doesn’t take action because Scandinavian women have worked tirelessly to eradicate it, together with everything else that smacks of traditional masculinity. Because of this, feminism has greatly weakened Scandinavia, and perhaps Western civilisation as whole. …
Didn’t feminists always claim that the world would be a better place with women in the driver’s seat, because they wouldn’t sacrifice their own children? Well, isn’t that exactly what they are doing now? Smiling and voting for parties that keep the doors open to Muslim immigration, the same Muslims who will be attacking their children tomorrow? …
Misandry, the hatred of men, isn’t necessarily less prevalent than misogyny, the hatred of women. The difference is that the former is much more socially acceptable.
If all oppression comes from Western men, it becomes logical to try weakening them as much as possible. If you do, a paradise of peace and equality awaits us at the other side of the rainbow. Well congratulations to Western European women. You’ve succeeded in harassing and ridiculing your own sons into suppressing many of their masculine instincts. To your surprise, you didn’t enter a feminist Nirvana, but paved the way for an unfolding Islamic hell. ….
Feminists claim that the reason why women haven’t been as numerous in politics and science as men is due to male oppression of women. Some of this is true. But it is not the whole story. Being male means having to prove something, to achieve something, in a greater way than it does for women. In addition to this, the responsibility for child rearing will always fall more heavily on women than on men. ….
it was in fact the women who started this whole “single is best” culture that now permeates much of the West. Since women initiate most divorces and a divorce can potentially mean financial ruin for a man, it shouldn’t really be too surprising that many men hesitate to get involved at all. … At the same time, women during the past few decades have made it a lot easier to have a girlfriend without getting married. So women make it riskier to get married and easier to stay unmarried, and then they wonder why men “won’t commit?” Maybe too many women didn’t think all this feminism stuff quite through before jumping on the bandwagon? …..
The elaborate welfare state model in Western Europe is frequently labelled as “the nanny state,” but perhaps it could also be named “the husband state.” Why? Well, in a traditional society, the role of men and husbands is to physically protect and financially provide for their women. In our modern society, part of this task has simply been “outsourced” to the state, which helps explain why women in general give a disproportionate support to high taxation and pro-welfare state parties. The state has simply become a substitute husband, upheld by taxation of their ex-husbands. ….
Radical feminism has bred suspicion and hostility, not cooperation. And what’s more, it has no in any way eradicated the basic sexual attraction between feminine women and masculine men. If people do not find this in their own country, they travel to another country or culture to find it, which in our age of globalisation is easier than ever. A striking number of Scandinavian men find their wives in East Asia, Latin America or other nations with a more traditional view of femininity, and a number of women find partners from more conservative countries. …
radical feminism has been one of the most important causes of the current weakness of Western civilisation, both culturally and demographically. Feminists, often with a Marxist world view, have been a crucial component in establishing the suffocating public censorship of Political Correctness in Western nations. They have also severely weakened the Western family structure, and contributed to making the West too soft and self-loathing to deal with aggression from Muslims. …
Well, after two generations of Second Wave Feminism, Ms. Willis and Ms. Beauvoir have had their way: The West has skyrocketing divorce rates and plummeting birth rates, leading to a cultural and demographic vacuum that makes us vulnerable to a take-over by… Islam. And feminists still aren’t satisfied. ….
Feminists claim that women have been victims of men, that men have oppressed women for centuries and that the sexes are equal. Denying this will result in the smears “misogynist” and “male chauvinist pig”. But equalising the sexes has led to a crippling feminisation of Western society … portraying women as oppressed victims and the equals of males is one example of how the pursuit of equality is being used to destroy our society and undermine – and therefore be in conflict with – Mother nature. ….
I’ll continue going through the manifesto to see what else I can find. If any of you decide to do the same thing, and find other selections in it that you find telling, please post them in the comments below.
I would also like to find specific writings on manosphere blogs – posts or comments – that directly parallel these selections from Breivik’s manifesto. If any of you are willing to help, again, please post your findings in the comments below, along with URLs to the sources of the manosphere quotes.
Ideas have consequences. Vile, hateful ideas have vile, hateful consequences.
For more on Breivik’s misogyny, see this post on Red Light Politics.
PZ Myers has more on Breivik’s noxious ideology, including his hatred of atheists, here.
Posted on July 24, 2011, in antifeminism, evil women, marriage strike, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, racism, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead, violence against men/women, western women suck. Bookmark the permalink. 744 Comments.








Ami,
“What’s the debate here btw?”
NWO acting like a masochist punch bag troll, a few people using him to dump their crap, and the rest ranting about how bad the MRA is, that its so bad it eventually leads to mass murder and this crazy guy proved it.
The usual circus, I guess.
Holly, that’s something you left out of your alternate history… shouldn’t there have been shootings? o_O
I love how NWO still won’t let some tricksy feminist push him into compromising his principles by admitting that murder is bad.
@Jumbofish:
No, you see, Marc is the one who wanted to go on a big murdering spree, and was shocked when nobody agreed with him.
(Side note: Your bunny face palm is a wonderfully soothing image. :) )
Kirby
“YOHAMI is right about everything, especially about how both the MRM and Feminism are equal hate groups, or something… Either way we are wrong, and make him sick, and other nonsense. Also apparently that tying a violent manifesto to violent rhetoric in the MRM is completely unfair.”
You really get me.
That was a good summary, so thx XD
But that didn’t answer my question o_O Are we bringing ppl up, or bringing ppl down? o_O Like feminism is not a hate movement, and the MRM isn’t either…. or the MRM IS a hate movement, but so is feminism!
xD
Ami – Ugh. I didn’t even want to make light of that.
But yeah.
“I wonder if the trolls here and other MRAs have ever worried that we’re gonna snap and start killing MRAs/men soon? ”
Nope, you simply wield the guns of Big Daddy Guv to incarcerate men, evict them from their homes and steal their wealth, children, destroy their reputations on any whim of fancy. That way you maintain victim status and men remain oppressors.
Like Aristotle said, “Women do quite well under tyranny.”
@Holly NWO’s whole thing is you can’t give an inch or we’ll take a mile xD It’s a giant gender war to him xD
That or he rly is okay w/ mass murder o_o
@YOHAMI:
Thanks, I try my best. It’s hard when I haven’t talked with you much; good to know you are communicating clearly and I’m understanding you correctly. :)
redlocker
“False equivalence, YOHAMI. And are you seriously saying that the comments here are proof that Feminism is violent? Really? Sorry, but that is impossibly pedantic and dishonest.”
Wow. You guys really master the strawman argument + ad hominem. Do you guys ever talk about stuff seriously?
I said it would be UNFAIR to link feminism to some random violent woman. And I say it is UNFAIR to link this guy to the MRA. Simple concept, right?
Ami I’m thinking its the second one unfortunately. Mras don’t seem to deny they are sexist if it ever comes up. They are like “so what”, “its not that bad” and other excuses.
Well, at least nwo is arguing for that. I don’t think yohami is.
@YOHAMI:
“I said it would be UNFAIR to link feminism to some random violent woman. And I say it is UNFAIR to link this guy to the MRA. Simple concept, right?”
Yes, it is, and I believe both myself and Holly have already answered this one. When a group constantly promotes violent behavior, and a “random violent X” actually goes through with it (and can be traced back to that rhetoric) it isn’t unfair to link the two.
Simple concept, right?
“Nope, you simply wield the guns of Big Daddy Guv to incarcerate men, evict them from their homes and steal their wealth, children, destroy their reputations on any whim of fancy. That way you maintain victim status and men remain oppressors.”
NWOprincess – How exactly does evicting men from their homes, stealing from them and destroying men help maintain women’s status as victims?
Cos that looks a lot like troll logic to me.
Nope, you simply wield the guns of Big Daddy Guv to incarcerate men, evict them from their homes and steal their wealth, children, destroy their reputations on any whim of fancy. That way you maintain victim status and men remain oppressors.
Me? Personally? xD So forget spree killing, I can get the government to do w/e I want! :D (except give me surgery xD and acknowledge my gender… and pass Bill C-389… and put my attacker in jail…) xD But I guess I can get a flying car out of it xD
*slaps fingers*
Have I evicted you from your home yet NWO? o_O Y/N?
XD I’ve destroyed your reputation, but that’s more cuz you engaged the Rodeo Cat than my BDG gun xD (it’s like the BFG but it uses less cells! XD )
“I wonder if the trolls here and other MRAs have ever worried that we’re gonna snap and start killing MRAs/men soon? ”
Nope,
See, NWO knows it. He has to bury it in a bunch of “VAWATitleIXCustodyLawAbortionFalseAccusations” boilerplate, but deep down, even he knows it.
Also, I can’t mention NWO without mentioning that he’s still failed to say that he on any level disapproves of mass murder.
Which is really a shame considering how many men and boys this guy killed.
@jumbofish
” Ami I’m thinking its the second one unfortunately. Mras don’t seem to deny they are sexist if it ever comes up. They are like “so what”, “its not that bad” and other excuses.”
I guess men just need to “man up” and take whatever any woman says without arguement or disagreement.
I haz a prediction this thread will reach 1000 comments again.
*crosses fingers*
NWO, you can’t steal children. children and people, not things!
*children ARE people, dammit
Kirby,
If you feel like using the murders to your own agenda, fine. I find it atrocious, but to each their own.
I can and DO steal children! >:D
I steal many children >:3 I’m stealing them right now xD
@Holly rly? o_O So he’s basically okay w/ the mass murder? o_O
YOHAMI – But you WERE making false equivalences earlier. Granted, you seem to have moved on from that.
Plus, how was I making a stawman argument and an ad hominem attack. I pointed out that your arguments were dishonest and pedantic. That meant that the methods in which you tried to prove your point were wrong.
“I said it would be UNFAIR to link feminism to some random violent woman. And I say it is UNFAIR to link this guy to the MRA.”
The latter bit is not unfair if the core ideas of the MRM and the core ideas of this man are the same. The former is unfair because, like Amused and others have said, Feminism does not function like many MRAs do: Work hard to dehumanize people on the basis of their biology.
@nwo
lulwhut are you talking about binkyboy?
Most mras don’t deny sexism they don’t even try. I can give you an example if you want (I don’t know if you remember it though).
There’s plenty of straw to go around apparently xD
YOHAMI – But you WERE making false equivalences earlier. Granted, you seem to have moved on from that.
Plus, how was I making a stawman argument and an ad hominem attack. I pointed out that your arguments were dishonest and pedantic. That meant that the methods in which you tried to prove your point were wrong.
“I said it would be UNFAIR to link feminism to some random violent woman. And I say it is UNFAIR to link this guy to the MRA.”
The latter bit is not unfair if the core ideas of the MRM and the core ideas of this man are the same. The former is unfair because, like Amused and others have said, Feminism does not function like many MRAs do: Work hard to dehumanize people on the basis of their biology.
@Holly Pervocracy
And I told you snowflake I’ll answer no questions until mine are answered.
We went thru this already. You were incensed I dared to ask one of the perfect ones to answer my question. I made it perfectly clear. But being perfect you can never be held accountable. Being perfect means only others can ever be held accountable.
@Magpie
“NWO, you can’t steal children. children and people, not things!”
Kidnapping is child theft.
.
Hey nwoslave, do you use the phrase “perfect ones” often?
Why, you ask. no reason :P
How can Breivik live on the same planet that has kangaroos on the lawn of my work? These things are incompatible, surely.
Kidnapping isn’t theft. Nobody OWNS people. Not even Ami!
NWO – Is mass murder (including men and boys!) your idea of holding women accountable?
Do you really think that admitting that murder is wrong is letting the feminists win?
Are you sure you want to come out of this with your pro-murder stance unblemished?
I know, those are questions and “But what about TitleIXFalseAccusationsVawaCustodyAbortion?” is also a question. But I’m hoping you’ll see the subtle differences in relevance.
I think NWO’s last comment was directed at me – I can’t see where Holly asked a question…
In any case, NWO, your questions weren’t directed at me or anything I said…
Okay so he’s against kidnapping…
we’re moving up! :D
Now the question is, is he against mass murder? xD but conveniently he won’t answer any more questions xD
He does this a lot, he claims nobody answers his, and then says that he won’t answer nebody’s RIGHT at the question he can’t answer w/o “giving an inch” or coming out as a terrible person xD
@YOHAMI:
Alrighty then, so apparently I’m not allowed to say anything about what was in this guy’s manifesto, and how it relates to anything outside of himself, without “using the murders to your own agenda.” So what can be said then? The guy was a nut? Great.
I’d like to point you to David’s posts here, here, and here, just to name a few. Would you like to be in the position that no actual violence is allowed to be traced back to violent rhetoric, even when the resulting manifesto contains direct copy-pastes from other sources?
Are you willing to be put into the position of saying that hateful, violent rhetoric in no way every informs actions? Good luck with that one.
NWOslave, were the deaths of all those people a bad thing?
Kidnapping isn’t theft. Nobody OWNS people. Not even Ami!
You mean “except Ami” xD
Hey! NWO answered me with a brief, coherent comment. Do I get a point? :P
Being owned by you is something to be desired, Ami xD
That’s too much of a direct question spearhafoc, you can’t seriously expect him to answer. You know if he can’t insert feminism=evil into the equation, he can’t debate. xD
How long until we get standard NWO c/p (which apparently somebody’s told me he does ALL OVER the web xD we’re not the only place he says his stuff and a lot seems to be direct copies xD ) and he says GOODNIGHT PRINCESSES! or something like that? xD
Like…
VAWA means that women can kill men
Title IX means Ami can steal my shoes
Title X is where I was cloned and my clone ruled the Romulan Empire
Title XI is a reboot that’s not rly a reboot where my father was killed by a time travelling Ami
and etc etc
the usual c/p he does before he leaves… xD
kirbywarp,
“Alrighty then, so apparently I’m not allowed to say anything about what was in this guy’s manifesto”
Strawman again. wtf. Yeah dude, Im TOTALLY forbidding you to say ANYTHING. what a joke.
Yeah if things ever get weird than just assume he c/p-ed it.. He is like a spam bot in that sense. xD
This is a good way to avoid debating. xD
MIND YOU…
What are we debating again? xD
Ok, so Star Wars is on again xD (this is just as relevant as nething else being said here lately xD ) Space is showing all the movies in order every Sunday if nebody’s wondering xD
This time is Jedi!
NWO did you watch Jedi in theatres? :D What did you think of it? :3
@YOHAMI:
You missed a bit:
“Alrighty then, so apparently I’m not allowed to say anything about what was in this guy’s manifesto, and how it relates to anything outside of himself, without “using the murders to your own agenda.””
If you call strawmanning, at least quote me properly.
@ami
title x
obama=communism
bennies
pick one out
YOHAMI – I’m sure you want to avoid strawmanning yourself, so here’s the REST of Kirby’s sentence
…and how it relates to anything outside of himself, without “using the murders to your own agenda.”
It’s significant, fyi.
Obamanism! :D
Communism IX: The Final Frontier!
I dun get the bennies reference xD
Kirby – snap!
redlocker,
Re: manhating in feminism. Theres a thing called “radfem” that has plenty of hate towards men. Theres multiple of stuff portraiting all “men” as pure predators / malformed human beings. On every bit of portraiting women as the real victims of everything, theres a bit to portrait men as the real monsters in everything. But I guess you already know that.
Wow.. srsly… yeah o_o He rly just chopped off half of what Kirby said to make a nice strawman to dismiss xD
@Lyn:
Hooray, I finally ninja’d someone! *does small dance*
I mean… *pat pat* You’ll get it next time. :P
Uh oh :o I should be wary of the radfem trans killing spree! Dx
redlocker,
“But you WERE making false equivalences earlier. Granted, you seem to have moved on from that.”
This is like talking about religion with a Christian and committing the error of comparing God with Ala. Sorry if I offended you. But for an external viewer, you guys look too much alike.
Oh no! They’re dragging Luke away! That vile Jabba! xD
What if radfems were participants in a violent ideology? They’re not, but let’s say if they were.
Would this in some way excuse MRAs’ violent ideology? Would it make the fact that they share sentiments with spree killers okay?
Lyn, Kirby
“…and how it relates to anything outside of himself, without “using the murders to your own agenda.”
You are free to do whatever you want. Im just REPORTING that the framing is transferring the blame to the MRA.
Another person can do the same and port the blame to Christianity. And I guess some will try to link this to feminism: you know, the guy was a victim, ala sodini, etc, he was a castrated male, etc. Bullshit.
One thing is to see what really went on, and another thing is to use the horror to link it so some other external thing you despite already. If I hated capitalism, then I would blame this case on capitalism. Etc.
I feel like a broken record by now.
The post isn’t about what David or Yohami or Lyn or Holly blame this case on. It is about what Breivik blames this case on, according to his manifesto.
@YOHAMI:
You aren’t just framing reporting the framing. You are saying that we are framing it wrongly, that the violent rhetoric of the MRM (if you admit it exsits) has nothing to do with this guy’s actions, even though his manifesto contains direct copy-pastes. This isn’t just a case of “you see what you want,” we are showing word-for-word quotes from this guy’s manifesto as evidence for the link; you are dismissing this as “just seeing what you want to see.”
You aren’t a casual observer. You are making a claim. And so far you’ve danced around with accusations, putting us on the defensive, without making an ounce of effort to justify it.
I have to go to bed soon.
I will do so without ever once seeing NWO denounce murder. (I think, based on the time since last irrelevant screed, he might have logged off.)
I know he’s just a bottom-feeding, manipulatively-masochistic Internet troll, but nonetheless, I am amazed by that man.
…And tonight, a little frightened.
But David never said this dude was an MRA, just that there are some shared assumptions that are problematic and misogynist. You yourself said it would be ok to talk about this with a Christian vs. Muslim framework, but apparently talking about misogyny is not alright as a framework, despite the fact that the dude was clearly misogynist and I think we’re saying that perhaps a practice of dehumanizing people made his spree easier to contemplate and carry out?
Getting away from the MRAs for a moment – do you agree that misogyny is what’s quoted here and that this is problematic and, as it’s part of the manifesto of a mass-murderer, perhaps worthy of comment and analysis?
kirbywarp,
“You aren’t a casual observer. You are making a claim. And so far you’ve danced around with accusations, putting us on the defensive, without making an ounce of effort to justify it.”
The guy has 1500 pages and a lot of it is race and stuff not linked to the MRA, you know. Yes he hated women, yes he says stuff similar to the MRA, but also hated.. everything. The guy looks like a collection of every hate speech there is and everything that is wrong with everyone, and his solution, killing people… really? random people. Fucking asshole.
So yeah, transfer that as a crime done because of the MRA. Thats stupid. Previsible since this blog is anti MRA so you have to use whatever bullet the world gives you.
But I was reading the nonsense and at some point Holly accused NWO of not caring about the murders, and using the horror to pursue his own agenda, and, really, that was too much for me and I jumped in.
Dont blame me for putting you guys in the defensive. This blog is a troll fest and it looks like its been like this for a while. I dont blame you for shooting at everything I say, I guess you are all too used to deal with guys like NWO and its easier to fire than to dialogue
It seems that Breivik has not entirely escaped feminist influences. He seems to have sipped some of that feminist KoolAid:
All you need to do to get women back into the home is dismantle affirmative action and apply true equality-of-opportunity (as opposed to equality-of-outcome). Getting women to compete against men on equal terms with men will see them fleeing into the kitchen quicker than you can say “make me a sandwich, bitch!” :-)
Chuckeedee – Your comment is ridiculous on its face, but there’s a major problem:
I have no kitchen to flee to. I’m unmarried, childless, and my boyfriend is not rich. He can’t afford to support me as a housewife.
Working is not a luxury or a source of entertainment for me. It’s a source of food and rent. So I kinda can’t run away from it, even if I wanted to.
Lyn,
I guess that was addressed to me?
David was wise to push it to the limit of politically correct, showing the similarities but not giving a final word about it. The commenters here, though, different story.
Talking about misogyny is fine. This guy hated women, and repeats a lot of nonsense from the MRA. However if this was a MRA crime he would have killed WOMEN ONLY or something like that. I dont think his misogyny was the driving factor. A factor? yeah. Can we dive into his misogyny? sure.
Does this mean that the MRA is so dangerous because it makes people kill people? now thats another nonsense to feed trolls like NWO.
“do you agree that misogyny is what’s quoted here and that this is problematic and, as it’s part of the manifesto of a mass-murderer, perhaps worthy of comment and analysis?”
Yep. And I have read arguments like that before. If this guy had a circle of friends, these should be investigated. He seem to be propagating some credo. One doesnt write 1500 pages of bullshit unless you have an audience / a group to preach to.
Yohami, I think your position is closer to what the other posters think than it appeared at first. You are probably right that commenters here are used to trolls, and jump right in. Take heart, they are asking you for clarification, so at least they are taking you seriously ;)
YOHAMI – yes, addressed to you.
And, I don’t speak for other commenters, but I don’t think MRA ideologies kill people. It’s impossible to argue direct causation and I don’t want to – I actually think that the MRA position is the logical extension of day-to-day misogyny and sexism…and I do think that these day-to-day sexist assumptions (i.e. women’s bodies/clothes cause rape) harm people and validate violent and unsympathetic behaviours.
I do, however, argue that MRAs perpetuate misogyny and a host of other dehumanizing and violent ideologies that we see in this manifesto and, therefore, that the misogyny and dehumanizing and violent nature of the MRA blogosphere is problematic.
David:
Your quotations from Breivik show someone emeshed in a type of blame-the-woman that goes back several hundred years.
Let’s remember the Maleus Malificarum (The Witches Hammer) which was Christendom’s Cliff Notes on the evils of witchcraft and how it sprang from female sexual desire.