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Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik’s manifesto reveals him to be a rabid antifeminist with views strikingly similar to many MRAs

Anders Breivik Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, who killed more than 90 people in attacks on Friday, was motivated by a toxic mélange of far-right ideology largely revolving around his intense hatred of Islam. The 1500 page “manifesto” he posted to the internet – what appears to be a grab-bag of his own writing and material cut and pasted from assorted right-wing sites and even the Unabomber’s manifesto  – crackles with denunciations of Muslims, “Marxists” and the assorted other bogeymen that haunt right-wing dreams.

And it’s also filled with denunciations of feminism  that could easily have come from the posts and comments of Men’s Rights and misogynist “manosphere” blogs like The Spearhead, In Mala Fide, and, well, quite a few other sites I write about regularly on this blog. (Not to mention a few of this blog’s misogynist trolls.)  In passage after passage, the ideology is the same, the language is the same, even the specific obsessions are the same – from no-fault divorce to the evils of “Sex and the City.”  (Download the entire thing from the links here.)

I haven’t had time to go through the manifesto in great detail yet, but I wanted to share with you some selections from it that I think will strike most readers of this blog as strangely familiar.

The following selections, denouncing, among other things, the “’Sex and the City’ lifestyle,”appear to have been written by Breivik himself:

It’s the destructive and suicidal “Sex and the City” lifestyle (modern feminism, sexual revolution) which we are taught to revere as the truth. In that setting, men are not men anymore, but metro sexual and emotional beings that are there to serve the purpose as a never-criticising soul mate to the new age feminist woman goddess. The perfect matriarchy has now been fulfilled and complete equality has finally been achieved. The fact that mankind will seize to exist within three generations with this type of regime is irrelevant. Long live cultural Marxism! …

Isolated, “sex and the city lifestyle” is relatively harmless, but if you glorify it and ram it down the throat of mainstream society like we see today it becomes a lethal and destructive societal force as we are witnessing which eventually leads to a complete breakdown of moral/ethics, the nuclear family model and a sustainable fertility rate which again is leading us to the extinction of Europeans.

Breivik goes on to rant about STDs and no-fault divorce, before moving on to another favorite obsession of manosphere misogynists, the supposed sexual “capital” of manipulative women:

Females have a significantly higher proportion of erotic capital than males due to biological differences (men have significantly more prevalent sexual urges than females and are thus easily manipulated). The female manipulation of males has been institutionalised during the last decades and is a partial cause of the feminisation of men in Europe. This highly underestimated factor has contributed to the creation and rise of the matriarchal systems which are now dominating Western European countries. …

He also blames women for the spread of what he considers evil “cultural Marxism” and multiculturalism:

Fact: 60-70% of all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists are women. This partly explains why the gradual feminist revolution is directly linked to the implementation of multiculturalist doctrines. These feminist cultural Marxists do not only want more benefits and rights for themselves. They want it all, and have more or less been awarded with everything they could ever dream of achieving. They now have complete matriarchal supremacy domestically and exercise substantial influence in politics. …

Obsessed with the purported danger that Islam will outbreed the West, Breivik offers an assortment of creepy solutions to increase the fertility of Western whites. (It’s not altogether clear to me if these are all his own views, but they certainly are consistent with what he says elsewhere in the manifesto.)  After suggesting limiting contraception and banning abortion, Breivik offers this “solution”:

Discourage women in general to strive for full time careers. This will involve certain sexist and discriminating policies but should increase the fertility rate by up to 0,1-0,2 points.

Women should not be encouraged by society/media to take anything above a bachelor’s degree but should not be prevented from taking a master or PhD. Males on the other hand should obviously continue to be encouraged to take higher education – bachelor, master and PhD. …

And then he’s back on his “Sex and the City” hobbyhorse:

Discourage women in general to strive for “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles. The mass media are currently actively glorifying/encouraging “sex and the city/Madonna” lifestyles which involves the glorification of casual sex, multiple sex partners and generally an extremely liberal individualistic lifestyle hostile to the traditional nuclear family values. As such, the non-restrictions of the mass media is the main cause for our unsustainable fertility rate of 1,5. 

The indirect media/government glorification campaigns through individual artists, various series, movies and media coverage in general should reflect this new shift (no more glorification of “sex and the city lifestyles” or equivalent portrayals. No longer should women be pressured to have equal success regarding their career as males.

Womens “new role” should be actively illustrated and glorified through series, movies and commercials. This will involve significant restrictions in media freedoms and rights. These restrictions and reforms will result in an increased fertility rate of approximately 0,2-0,3 points.

The end result for implementing the above reforms would be an increase in the fertility rate up from 1,5 to approximately 2,1-2,4 which would be sustainable.

However, this will also involve significant restrictions in women’s rights and media rights.

And, like many in the manosphere, he also holds out hope for “artificial wombs,” which would of course reduce the inconvenience of relying on women to cooperate with his plans.

Large chunks of the manifesto consist of cut-and-pasted blog posts from an anonymous far-right Norwegian blogger known as Fjordman, whose now defunct blog can be found here. (According to Andrew Brown in the Guardian article linked to above, Breivik and Fjordman are not the same person.)

Here are some selections from the Fjordman posts that Breivik includes in his manifesto. Again, much of this will seem very familiar to many of you, I am sure.

For all the talk about “girl power” and “women kicking ass” which you see on movies these days, if the men of your “tribe” are too weak or demoralised to protect you, you will be enslaved and crushed by the men from other “tribes” before you can say “Vagina Monologues”. Which means that if you break down men’s masculinity, their willingness and ability to defend themselves and their families, you destroy the country. That’s exactly what Western women have done for the last forty years. ….

The male protective instinct doesn’t take action because Scandinavian women have worked tirelessly to eradicate it, together with everything else that smacks of traditional masculinity. Because of this, feminism has greatly weakened Scandinavia, and perhaps Western civilisation as whole. …

Didn’t feminists always claim that the world would be a better place with women in the driver’s seat, because they wouldn’t sacrifice their own children? Well, isn’t that exactly what they are doing now? Smiling and voting for parties that keep the doors open to Muslim immigration, the same Muslims who will be attacking their children tomorrow? …

Misandry, the hatred of men, isn’t necessarily less prevalent than misogyny, the hatred of women. The difference is that the former is much more socially acceptable.

If all oppression comes from Western men, it becomes logical to try weakening them as much as possible. If you do, a paradise of peace and equality awaits us at the other side of the rainbow. Well congratulations to Western European women. You’ve succeeded in harassing and ridiculing your own sons into suppressing many of their masculine instincts. To your surprise, you didn’t enter a feminist Nirvana, but paved the way for an unfolding Islamic hell. ….

Feminists claim that the reason why women haven’t been as numerous in politics and science as men is due to male oppression of women. Some of this is true. But it is not the whole story. Being male means having to prove something, to achieve something, in a greater way than it does for women. In addition to this, the responsibility for child rearing will always fall more heavily on women than on men. ….

it was in fact the women who started this whole “single is best” culture that now permeates much of the West. Since women initiate most divorces and a divorce can potentially mean financial ruin for a man, it shouldn’t really be too surprising that many men hesitate to get involved at all. … At the same time, women during the past few decades have made it a lot easier to have a girlfriend without getting married. So women make it riskier to get married and easier to stay unmarried, and then they wonder why men “won’t commit?” Maybe too many women didn’t think all this feminism stuff quite through before jumping on the bandwagon? …..

The elaborate welfare state model in Western Europe is frequently labelled as “the nanny state,” but perhaps it could also be named “the husband state.” Why? Well, in a traditional society, the role of men and husbands is to physically protect and financially provide for their women. In our modern society, part of this task has simply been “outsourced” to the state, which helps explain why women in general give a disproportionate support to high taxation and pro-welfare state parties. The state has simply become a substitute husband, upheld by taxation of their ex-husbands. ….

Radical feminism has bred suspicion and hostility, not cooperation. And what’s more, it has no in any way eradicated the basic sexual attraction between feminine women and masculine men. If people do not find this in their own country, they travel to another country or culture to find it, which in our age of globalisation is easier than ever. A striking number of Scandinavian men find their wives in East Asia, Latin America or other nations with a more traditional view of femininity, and a number of women find partners from more conservative countries. …

radical feminism has been one of the most important causes of the current weakness of Western civilisation, both culturally and demographically. Feminists, often with a Marxist world view, have been a crucial component in establishing the suffocating public censorship of Political Correctness in Western nations. They have also severely weakened the Western family structure, and contributed to making the West too soft and self-loathing to deal with aggression from Muslims. …

Well, after two generations of Second Wave Feminism, Ms. Willis and Ms. Beauvoir have had their way: The West has skyrocketing divorce rates and plummeting birth rates, leading to a cultural and demographic vacuum that makes us vulnerable to a take-over by… Islam. And feminists still aren’t satisfied. ….

Feminists claim that women have been victims of men, that men have oppressed women for centuries and that the sexes are equal. Denying this will result in the smears “misogynist” and “male chauvinist pig”. But equalising the sexes has led to a crippling feminisation of Western society … portraying women as oppressed victims and the equals of males is one example of how the pursuit of equality is being used to destroy our society and undermine – and therefore be in conflict with – Mother nature. ….

I’ll continue going through the manifesto to see what else I can find. If any of you decide to do the same thing, and find other selections in it that you find telling, please post them in the comments below.

I would also like to find specific writings on manosphere blogs – posts or comments – that directly parallel these selections from Breivik’s manifesto. If any of you are willing to help, again,  please post your findings in the comments below, along with URLs to the sources of the manosphere quotes.

Ideas have consequences. Vile, hateful ideas have vile, hateful consequences.

For more on Breivik’s misogyny, see this post on Red Light Politics.

PZ Myers has more on Breivik’s noxious ideology, including his hatred of atheists, here.

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Posted on July 24, 2011, in antifeminism, evil women, marriage strike, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, racism, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead, violence against men/women, western women suck. Bookmark the permalink. 744 Comments.

  1. @Marc:

    “I really really doubt he was influenced by some rants he finds on the Internet.”

    “___
    * Though that all sounds pretty unbelievable as extreme as it is, I doubt he would write wrong facts in his manifesto, that are easily disprovable.
    ___”

    You do realize his manifesto was 1500 pages long with a lot of it direct copy-pastes from other writings, right? Copy pastes from rants on the internet?

    Yeah…

  2. could you please remove the “nobody” in the first sentence, thanks.

    I first wanted to write “nobody comes up with this argument”, then I noticed somebody already did come up with it here and I changed it in a hurry.

  3. “I think his pure intelligence is pretty high, the meticulous planning and the efficiency of his acts makes that clear (don’t bee fooled that he looks stupid in his freemason dress or as frogman) and I really really doubt he was influenced by some rants he finds on the Internet.”

    Oh good lord. I know I’m going to regret responding to you, Marc, but why do you think someone who presumably intended to push forth a message of white nationalism by killing a buncha white teenagers is smart? Seems to me that a person of high intelligence would have found a way to bridge the gap between means and end, don’t you think?

    Also, why you bee so obsessed with me, Marc?

    Also, just because I haven’t found a place to put this on the internet yet, and because I feel kind of sad about the fact that I’m arguing about this situation without having acknowledged this yet: I am really really heartbroken about this. My thoughts go out to the families and friends of the 92 murdered people, and everyone else affected by the nightmare caused by this terrible man.

  4. Marc wrote, “His mother contracted genital herpes that spread to her brain and caused severe intellectual disability.”

    That did sound really odd to me (I have oral herpes, so I’ve read up on both types.) But I did find this: “Some peole may develop severe herpes infections that involve the brain, eyes, esophagus, livere, spinal cord, or lungs. These complications often develop in people who have a weakened immune system, AIDS, are undergoing chemotherapy or radiation therapy, or who take high doses of cortisone.”

    So–

    Actually, fuck it, Marc. The dude shot *at least sixty people*. That is NOT how you deal with it when someone in your family gets a disease!

    Also, Marc? Most of the people in the *world* have some form of herpes. You might even have it yourself (usually there’s no symptoms, and men are more likely to pass it to their partners), so cut it out with the slut shaming, okay?

  5. Most of the people in the *world* have some form of herpes.

    Herpes labialis here.

  6. Hold up, wait a minute. How does this guy’s claim that his sister wound up 50K in the hole due to medical treatments square with Norway’s public health care model?

  7. Chicken pox is a variant of herpes right? I am too lazy to Google but I know that a common childhood disease is.

  8. Chickenpox is a highly contagious illness caused by the varicella-zoster virus (VZV), a type of herpes virus. (So says the State of New York public health site.)

    I am not surprised that our MRA-sympathizing visitors are trying to minimize both the gravity of his actions and the similarity of his beliefs to those of many in the MRM… hey, haven’t there been a dozen or so rants on MRM sites predicting violence if MRA’s don’t get their way? So why is it so unlikely that Breiviks was influenced by MRM beliefs?

  9. Same way that the right wing in the US immediately claimed that things like ‘do not retreat, reload’ and gun signs on Democratic districts had nothing to do with Gabby’s shooting despite everyone immediately being able to make the connection.

    They got lucky-Loughner was a deteriorating Constitutionalist, not a right wing party hack.

  10. Dave: The long post from me had a “word of power”.

  11. Marc: Being intelligent isn’t proof against schizophrenia. Nor does mental illness prevent careful planning.

    And really… you are justifying this, notice that he unfortunately had some crucial experiences that very probably made him think the way he does.

    Yeah, I know you will say that it doesn’t excuse, it just explains. His mother died, and he decided that was feminism’s fault, and he just tacked it onto all the rest.

    You’re just trying to understand him.

    I understand him. He is a hate filled human being who decided the modern world was against him, and he blamed immigrants (a whopping less than 2 percent of the society) and women being uppity for the decline of the overlordship of Christian-manhood he thought should be in charge. So he went on a killing spree.

    There is nothing to justify it. Nothing.

    I’ve had some pretty crappy shit in my life. Republicans who cut funding to mental health clinics, so that I have to deal with people who need help I can’t really give them. I’ve been told I don’t qualify for food stamps because I don’t make enough money. Fuckers who wanted to make a fast buck provided inadequate armor to me, and my friends, some of whom died.

    None of that would justify my blowing up the statehouse in Wisconsin and then going to a Young Republicans Retreat and killing them.

  12. @YOHAMI,

    “you are a girl, you have “fairy” scripted all over you. Even when you say offensive stuff, you make it sound bubbly and funny. I dont know if you could ever pass for a troll.

    HAHAHAHA! Oh, dear, I think that’s my laugh for the day…

    “Im testing how many of you guys are open to dialog and check new / different ideas, and how many are just defender ants ready to kill anything that smells strange.”

    I am now considering that YOHAMI is Marc.

  13. “Being intelligent isn’t proof against schizophrenia. Nor does mental illness prevent careful planning.”

    According to Marc, Professor John Forbes Nash, Jr. never existed.

  14. I also think that being intelligent doesn’t mean that you can’t be influenced by rants you find on the net – who isn’t influenced by the things they read on a daily basis? I don’t think it’s a simple: “Some blogger instructed me to do this so I did” thing, but about going to a space where shared assumptions about the world are violent and dehumanising.

  15. Does that mean if I say I want baked goods on a blog someone will make me baked goods?! I want I want!

  16. *Makes Elizabeth some fresh baked bread*

  17. Lyn: Yes, feedback loops are a problem. So are echo chambers (they reinforce the feedback loops).

    We (liberals, feminists) get accused doing nothing but echo-chambers,and what with all the open comment streams we have, I guess it must be true. We never hear any dissenting opinions.

    Nor look at the data provided in them.

  18. If you read his manifesto you’ll notice that he unfortunately had some crucial experiences that very probably made him think the way he does.

    Like that his female family members got horrible STDs by “sleeping around”: His half-sister had to spend 50k $ on IVF treatments because the pelvic inflammatory disease caused by untreated gonorrhea made her infertile. His mother contracted genital herpes that spread to her brain and caused severe intellectual disability.*

    So if his mother had never had sex, he wouldn’t have murdered 92 people.

    You know… that’s absolutely true.

  19. Freshly baked bacon bread?! Now do I put butter on here or not?

  20. You should always add butter.

  21. Put butter on the blog!

    That will possibly bring more women running here than $MONEY$. If women are anything like me.

    *tentatively licking screen*

  22. *gets out her locally made fresh butter and smears it all over the bread, the blog and Nobby*

  23. Hey, people, nice thread! It’s sooo long… lol XD
    Hey, I found this by randomly clicking on a sidebar link on Yohami’s blog! I di read a few posts, too… shiver.

    Johnny Milfquest @@MilfQuest
    Reply

    Is it just me or is Avril Lavigne as hot as balls?
    July 21 2011 01:26 am

    yohami

    I liked her a lot when she was 15 years old

    SO, I feel nauseous… what do you all think? Me, I think the guy is a fucking slimeball. Yep, bad news all the way. Yow.

  24. Hey, it works, bee! The butter brought Doctress Julia back!

  25. @Doctress Julia,

    I was arguing with him over on that Hooking Up Smart thread a while back. Yes, he’s a slimeball.

  26. Holy shit, I wish I had some way of detecting these kinds of dudes on sight, so I could never have to be around such extreme toxicness. If only there was a way… in the meantime, I always watch my back. These fuckers are everywhere.

    Butter, it is good, I smell it… :9

  27. WOW, according to you article I guess you think that all people of Islam are one Mohammed joke away from flying two planes into a building. MORON

  28. Show we quotes that advocate violence that moderate Muslims agree with, and you have a point. Until then, you are yet again just a little troll making a false analogy.

  29. So, some people at mensrights.reddit.com approved of a few words copied out of a 1500 page manifesto, divorced from its source, and submitted with a troll account.

    And the credits to the movie “I Shot Andy Worhol” praises SCUM manifesto as a ‘feminist classic’

  30. Breiviks has become popular with anyone who has an agenda. Christian lobbies are trying to shake up the R18+ debate in Australia due to the fact he played videogames. I find your arguments similar to that of the lobbyists: lacking in substance and logic and making the amateur mistake of believing that correlation is equal to causation.

  31. youreanembarrasment

    What a disgrace this article is. Way to denigrate a worthy cause like mens rights activism and link it to extremism. You on the left love to blow things up like this to drive a political agenda, dont you?

  32. Nowhere have we argued that this correlation was equal to causation – merely that violent rhetoric paves the way for this kind of thinking. MRAs did not make this guy do anything, he wasn’t an MRA – but he does share some of the same violent, racist and misogynist views, which, I would argue, indicates that there is perhaps a problem with those views. And, the thing is, the dehumanising approaches to groups of people seen in the MRM and in this manifesto do, in a twisted way, justify killing lots of people. This is problematic.

  33. @Gregs, bob, z, youreanembarrasment:

    So… I take it you don’t agree with this guy’s violent rhetoric, don’t approve of his actions, aren’t justifying his actions in any way, etc?

    I take it you also agree that the MRM shouldn’t be using violent rhetoric because its simply the wrong thing to do, not just because it can be misappropriated by crazy people to justify actual violence?

    In other words, do you think the guy was a villain or a martyr?

    (also what lyn said, we don’t say he’s an MRA, we say that his rhetoric meshes a little too well with what MRAs have grown comfortable saying over the years. It seems as though some MRAs are already starting to praise his actions. I find this dispicable. Do you?)

  34. David, I defy you to find me one prominent MRA, just ONE, who approves of what this sick man did.

    @kirbywarp I have just two words for you: Valerie. Solanas.

  35. The storm last night overloaded a lot of stuff in my house incl my router -_- I’ve been spending all day fixing everything -_- That’s why I vanished xD I love mr. manipulative pants and his idea that it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it.. it allows him to frame everything that it MUST be his wording, but he’s right and it’s just about tricking/seducing/framing the msg/ etc to get ppl to get it xD And the only difference between me and him are my smileys and me being female. xD Nothing about substance or that I dun feel the need to change who I am or how I talk xD I also like the little divisive thing at the end “Lyn you’re awesome, not like those losers…” more seduction xD

    So that’s 9 days now… (for the bet xD ) I wonder how ill he’ll be today xD

  36. “Way to denigrate a worthy cause like mens rights activism and LINK IT TO EXTREMISM.”

    I think Breivik did that all by himself.

  37. Phil, I never claimed that MRAs supported Breivik’s actions; I certainly haven’t run across any who have (although there were a small number of MRAs who spoke approvingly of antifeminist mass murderers like Sodini and Lepine). What I am saying is that many MRAs share much of Breivik’s misogynistic ideology. That’s pretty much undeniable.

  38. This guy doesn’t like you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXJXuySXckw

  39. ~I’m still waiting for what’s “natural” for me? xD~

    AmiAngelwings, I’m pretty sure that you’re SUPERnatural. What with being a fairy goddess and all.

  40. Breivik was also anti-Nazi – are you anti-Nazi? Then you are the same as him; you share an ideology.

    He was a Zionist – are you a Zionist? If so, then you share an ideology with the killer.

    He also states that he is NOT a religious Christian (see his video at 10:54), and he insults Christianity:

    He describes religious Christians as ‘fundamentalists’. He says that logic and evidence must always take precedence over Biblical texts. Then he goes on to say that Christianity was the fourth biggest killer in Europe – until the enlightenment. (In other words when people chose logic over the Bible).

    So; how would you describe his attitude – does it sound similar to your own?
    If so, then you are the same as him.

    You have the same ideology

    Perhaps his actions were inspired by your blog, or one very similar to it.

  41. So if his mother had never had sex, he wouldn’t have murdered 92 people.

    You know… that’s absolutely true.

    Nonsense, I wrote that both his mother and sister got STDs with serious consequences and that this might be the reason why he is so opposed to liberal morality why do you have to distort so much?

    I never claimed that this was the sole reason behind his acts. There are other crucial things like that he lost his friends to drugs or the disillusionment with his life.

    I don’t want to defend him like “when you see how he had to suffer, it’s normal that he did it”. Nonsense. I just say that you can somewhat understand him, he’s not like Loughner who absolutely doesn’t make any sense.

    It’s like a devout Christian whose child dies and is shaken in his faith. Though he always knew about the argument of evil to prove the nonexistence of God it didn’t reach him, but now that he himself is affected, it’s totally different.

    There are also some positive things he (well, he quotes Fjordman) says about feminism:

    “Daniel Pipes keeps saying that the answer to radical Islam is moderate Islam. There may not be any such thing as a moderate Islam, but there just might be a moderate feminism, and a mature masculinity to match it. [...] Many men will find it offensive to hear that Islamic violence and honour killings have anything to do with masculinity, but it does.
    Islam is a compressed version of all the darkest aspects of masculinity. We should reject it. Men, too, lose their freedom to think and say what they want in Islam, not just women.
    However, even a moderate version of feminism could prove lethal to Islam. Islam survives on the extreme subjugation of women. Deprived of this, it will suffocate and die.”
    (page 352 of his manifesto, PDF version).

  42. I am not surprised that our MRA-sympathizing visitors are trying to minimize both the gravity of his actions and the similarity of his beliefs to those of many in the MRM…

    Which MRAs?

    And when someone tries to minimize the gravity of his action, well, of course it was the worst shooting spree in the history of mankind and most of the victims were young people with their whole lives ahead of them. But still, if you just look at some of the terrorist attacks of extremist Muslims, just the ones in July, it puts his acts in perspective:

    Taji (Iraq), 7/5: 35 dead
    Kamdesh (Afghanistan), 7/6: 38 dead
    Mumbai (India), 7/3: 20

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hWaPfew6EDg6wJE06mQ15MJ6Y-rA?docId=10c0bb08d4c74eb4ab47124b3c84c7d5

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jiCEdyivl9yvtWf7_EY1gRysxvUQ?docId=CNG.6a6eaf80e58f262f2ceb8e8e9db091ec.901

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iNKJQLv7pOOpRETywsQp0drAMicQ?docId=CNG.400d0f07f2d2e0899ef48311491aa56c.591

    hey, haven’t there been a dozen or so rants on MRM sites predicting violence if MRA’s don’t get their way? So why is it so unlikely that Breiviks was influenced by MRM beliefs?

    Why is it unlikely that when in the Quran there are multiple verses promoting violence against unbelievers, that terrorist were influenced by this?

    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/003.qmt.html#003.151

    Also, and that’s what I mean with intelligent, Breivik is not totally lacking critical thinking skills like Loughner… though he surely seems narcissistic and egomaniacal.

    For example Breivik rejects conspiracy theories like those surrounding 9/11 (ok, that makes sense if he doesn’t like Muslims) and he says that the Nazi-claims, that most European governments are infiltrated by Zionists are crazy.

    Also remember: He planned it for many years. The preparations took years. I don’t know for how long there are some MRM sites

    And also, though perhaps I don’t know enough about MRAs, I think there are points that many MRAs would disagree strongly. Aren’t there many of them who complain about how men were sent to wars or about chivalry? Well, Breivik has no problem with that and he is for chivalry, too.

  43. Ghost In A Shell

    Breivik is the inevitable outcome of this western mangina society…You can expect more, VERY SOON

  44. Um… false analogies. Care to show where the folks here (as G.L. Piggy is doing elseblog) are saying there is some existential threat from immigration, caused by the weakening of male dominated societies as a result of feminism?

    I’ll wait, I realise there is a lot of Man Boobz to read, even if all you look at is the top posts, not the comments.

    Because really, his “attitude” is not the same, and points of superficial consonance don’t equal agreement. Hitler was vegetarian, and liked dogs. Stalin enjoyed smoking a pipe. Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan and Tamerlane all like riding horses. Napoleon enjoyed opera.

    No man is all of piece.

  45. Marc: <iWhy is it unlikely that when in the Quran there are multiple verses promoting violence against unbelievers, that terrorist were influenced by this?

    You really want to go there? Because I have a copy of Deuteronomy right here, and I can link to some heavy hitters in Western Politics who say we, “need to go back to the Bible” and make it the law of the land.

    It gets pretty ugly for Christianity when you look at it that way.

  46. Phil: two more words-Marc Lépine.

  47. Hi, Ghost in a Shell! Nice threat.

    Good of you to pop over here to prove the point we were just making.

    Violent rhetoric voiced by certain people who have marginalized themselves through their own idiocy is very similar to violent rhetoric voiced by other people who have marginalized themselves through their own idiocy.

  48. And Ghost in the Shell proves the bloody point.

  49. Phil: I have two people LePine. Sodoni. I can find MRA’s who say both of them had the right of it. Find the Feminists who say that about Solanis.

  50. Hi, Ghost in a Shell! Nice threat.

    “Ghost in a Shell”‘s nickname was inspired by the Anime “Ghost in the Shell”, that proves she’s just a feminist sockpuppet (MRAs don’t like Anime except Hentai), and a fairly obvious one, too :-D :-D

    You really want to go there? Because I have a copy of Deuteronomy right here, and I can link to some heavy hitters in Western Politics who say we, “need to go back to the Bible” and make it the law of the land.

    It gets pretty ugly for Christianity when you look at it that way.

    I’m not a Christian and I don’t doubt that the Bible has inspired many evil acts, but still I came across verses inciting of violence much more often while reading the Qur’an than while reading the Bible.

    Btw, I have yet to meet the person who is coherent in her “the rhetoric is to blame” & “bad ideas make people do bad things” maneuvers.

    It’s clear that we don’t want to blame the Beatles because Charles Manson was inspired by “Helter Skelter” but we do want to blame RTLM radio station for their incitement to genocide in Rwanda. Sadly most cases fall somewhere between these two extremes and so of course it’s difficult to be coherent… though, I think 95% of people don’t even try!

    Find the Feminists who say that about Solanis.

    At least read Wiki for inspiration:

    Feminist Robin Morgan (later editor of Ms. magazine) demonstrated for Solanas’ release from prison. Ti-Grace Atkinson, the New York chapter president of the National Organization for Women (NOW), described Solanas as “the first outstanding champion of women’s rights.”[13] Another member, Florynce Kennedy, represented Solanas at her trial, calling her “one of the most important spokeswomen of the feminist movement.”

    (yeah, yeah, someone has to check the sources, but I’m too lazy.)

    So indirectly there was support for her actions.

    I like Solanas in some way, at least she asked the right questions… e. g. “Could it be that one sex is just a parasitic burden or worse to the other?”, that’s really fascinating (of course all this hypocrisy and political correctness makes a honest debate about that impossible).

    It’s a bit disappointing, though, that after her release from prison she apparently was on the right meds and distanced herself from the SCUM manifesto. :-x And she should have written more!

  51. David,
    no matter how much you suck up to women? They will still hate you for being a mangina.

    I have been warning for three years now that the hatred of feminists, both men and women, for men and the injustices against men will end up with lots of dead women and children.

    Well? This week we saw 76 dead in Norway. And by the way? It is estimated 77 men die in Australia each week in the murder by proxy of women and the courts.

    What happened in Norway happens every week in Australia. Only that it is only dead men in Australia.

    You are such a disgusting man David.

  52. Peter Nolan wrote, “Well? This week we saw 76 dead in Norway. And by the way? It is estimated 77 men die in Australia each week in the murder by proxy of women and the courts.”

    So… you’re equating divorce with death?

  53. It’s official: Manboobz has ARRIVED.

  54. @speedlines: Because Peter Nolan commented?

    I did a little Googling and found this interesting tidbit that might make his point a little clearer. From his website’s mission:

    “[This website is to] Provide a place to further my personal project of saving the lives of the estimated 4,000 men in Australia who kill themselves every year from the abuse they are subject to by the Family Court and the CSA. This will also contribute to those children who would otherwise be fatherless. The women folk of Australia have hated on me since early 2008 and they have hated on me even more since I started calling them out on their lies and hypocrisy. Well? So what? I clam the right to speak the truth. If our women folk can’t handle the truth that is THEIR problem.”

  55. Marc, it’s lovely that you think Ghost in a Shell is a sockpuppet/non-MRA troll. But Peter Nolan isn’t, and he’s making threats too.

    Just thought I’d point that out.

    Also, very interesting that you’re trying to make the point that the MRM are a monolith, at least as regards their entertainment selections.

  56. Is that avatar him? Because I distinctly remember seeing Max Headroom in that exact same jacket and tie.

  57. It’s an old photo; he’s put on a bit of weight since then.

  58. Hmm. So Peter Nolan has gone as record as saying that he approves of the actions of Anders Breivik? Good to know…

  59. BTW, Mr. Nolan’s math is a bit off… 77 suicides per week would be just over 4000 per year.
    That’s nearly twice the average annual rate of all/i> suicides per year in Australia over the last decade, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics data that I just looked up.

  60. I highly doubt that that’s ALL that’s a bit off about Mr. Nolan!!

  61. Peter Andrew Nolan is here! :D I’ve wanted to meet you ever since I saw that comment where you had your movie logic idea on how to kill women, girls and police officers xD Also the idea that this will make society and police back off rather than… the MRM being declared as a terrorist group… so that’s prolly a bad idea :\

    Are you threatening to snap btw? :\ Or just OTHER ppl….

    I’m unsure by your comment how you feel about the disgusting massacre and tragic murders and ppl killed :(

    I have been warning for three years now that the hatred of feminists, both men and women, for men and the injustices against men will end up with lots of dead women and children.

    If you knew such things would happen and wanted to prevent them why would you write comments like you did telling ppl ideas on how to do it? :( Shouldn’t you be discouraging ppl not to do it if you knew it’d happen? :(

  62. I think by “warning” he means “anticipating with unholy glee”.

  63. @mediumdave:

    All Nolan says is that “it has been estimated,” never says by whom.

    @Peter Nolan:

    “I have been warning for three years now that the hatred of feminists, both men and women, for men and the injustices against men will end up with lots of dead women and children.”

    So… A crazy guy with a 1500 page manifesto with copy-pastes of rants against Islam, Feminism, and other things gunning down men and boys is all due to… Feminism.

    Are you one of those people who believe that the reason 9/11 happened was because of the United States’ Imperialistic tendencies? Or is it possible for someone to become convinced of persecution that doesn’t exist, and become crazy enough to do something about it?

  64. PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

    What scares me is that because Mr. Nolan wants to go back to an imaginary time when Men Were Men and women were chattel, he would slaughter thousands of people who have done no more harm then to be unlike him.

  65. @Elizabeth:

    That’s what really boggles my mind. Here’s a guy who talked about how good it would be to kill off everyone he hates… and here’s brievick who actually goes and does it. The response? “I warned you this would happen, isn’t this terrible?”

    Wasn’t so terrible the last time you were advocating launching a biological attack in a mall.

  66. Wait… Helter Skelter had overt incitement to murder?

    The things one learns on the internet.

    Indirect support, as oppsed to… Peter Nolan who shows up here to say this is the wave of the future.

    And you compare people who advocated for her release, with folks like Peter Nolan, who advocates for killing cops to prevent the enforcement of laws against Domestic Violence.

    Of course, there’s also you, who supports the ideals of Solanis, since you think men should be eliminated.

  67. @Pecunium:
    Wait… Helter Skelter had overt incitement to murder?

    Oh please, did you read what I wrote? Here:

    It’s clear that we don’t want to blame the Beatles because Charles Manson was inspired by “Helter Skelter” but we do want to blame RTLM radio station for their incitement to genocide in Rwanda. Sadly most cases fall somewhere between these two extremes and so of course it’s difficult to be coherent

    Also, did the MRAs incite murder? If NO, are they innocent like the Beatles? If YES, why don’t we see a blog entry about this instead?

    Of course, there’s also you, who supports the ideals of Solanis, since you think men should be eliminated.

    The problem with Solanas and also the problem with Breivik is that nobody cares to rigorously refute their claims… deep down there’s too much fear that they might be right in some way.

    I think Solanas had a great idea, very much worthy of years of discussion.

    I also think feminism was much better when there was still room for people with honest, open hate. In mature mainstream feminism those people are forced to hide their hate and contempt with hypocrisy.
    For example, how they put all their energy into making sure that what they say (“Men can stop rape!”) and how they act (Slutwalks*) elicits the maximal emotional response aka anger but still can be easily defended because you can’t say much against the (supposed) original noble goal.

    @kirbywrap:
    So… A crazy guy with a 1500 page manifesto with copy-pastes of rants against Islam, Feminism, and other things gunning down men and boys is all due to… Feminism.

    Small causes, large effects.

    Look for example, in Swedish kindergartens: at Womens’ Day the girls get better snacks (buns) than the boys (they just get crisp bread). Mens’ Day of course is completely ignored.

    http://www.helagotland.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?articleid=6704643

    (sorry, just available in Swedish.)

    How much confusion must this cause in a boy who’s taught day by day that gender doesn’t matter and then suddenly he must ask himself: “Why do only the girls get buns? Am I worth less than the girls?”

    Is it so surprising that this confusing maybe even hostile climate in Scandinavia might breed someone like Anders Breivik?

    @mediumdave:
    BTW, Mr. Nolan’s math is a bit off… 77 suicides per week would be just over 4000 per year.
    That’s nearly twice the average annual rate of all suicides per year in Australia over the last decade, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics data that I just looked up.

    Underreporting.

    _____________
    * “You primitive men, do I arouse you? Still you’re not allowed to screw me. Tee-hee.”

  68. Indirect support, as oppsed to… Peter Nolan who shows up here to say this is the wave of the future.

    Alice Schwarzer also said the SCUM manifesto was “a first excess of hate, of justified hate”.

    J U S T I F I E D

    ok?

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