Women don’t have the “patients” for engineering
It takes MEN to build a bridge
Guys,
So the fellows over at MGTOWforums were pondering just why it is that there are so few women engineers. There were a number of theories advanced to explain this gender imbalance – women are “crap at math,” “their [sic] just too stupid,”“you can’t build a bridge with ‘feelings.’” (Snap!)
But it was shade47 who offered the most convincing theory. It all has to do with incentives:
Im an engineer myself and in my opinion women could be good engineers if they wanted to be but its a hard sell since they can make money by lieing on their backs and shitting out bastards. …
i dont think women above a five in looks would have the patients [sic] to deal with the hardship of actually studying when she knows that shell end up getting knocked up or married and stop working in approximately 5 years after graduation.
Ladies, focus on your womb turds and leave engineering to the geniuses who don’t know the difference between “patience” and “patients.”
Posted on July 22, 2011, in $MONEY$, idiocy, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, reactionary bullshit. Bookmark the permalink. 252 Comments.
That’s right! Who would bother engineering a bridge when she could engineer a baby? All the female engineers are quitting their field to gather in secretive government think tanks to build perfect mechanical babies. It’s quite lucrative.
I guess they’ve never heard of, Emily Warren Roebling, the lady who built the Brooklyn Bridge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Warren_Roebling
I am not surprised.
Why do I know that their response to that was “she was just doing what a wife should do and she never thought of anything herself?”
So, I think this is the first time I’ve ever seen the MRA side of the women-are-expected-to-do-poorly-because-babies-housework argument. Feminists have been ranting for years that the expectation was on women to drop out of their careers to raise children!
Also, I should tell my BS-in-Nuclear-Engineering best friend that her work at the Quad-Cities nuke plant is useless because she *does* want kids eventually, and that something has been fooling her all along into thinking she’s patients and smart enough for this.
Nevermind that she does calculus in her head. Anecdata!
Sooo, I guess I don’t exist again.
Although I left engineering—for physics.
Also-shocker!- birth control
Yeah, those wimminz clearly don’t have the “patients” to study. It’s why there are absolutely no female doctors (no pun intended), biologists, or chemists…
My wife is a mechanical engineer.
Also, this guy is a structural engineer, and mentions that over half the people he employs are women.
The lead structural engineer on the tallest building I’ve designed was a woman.
These guys are idiots.
Vera, you think you don’t exist? My mother, before retirement, was an engineer and I’m the oldest of her three children. Of course, like many engineers, she never refers to her work or education in the past tense. She “is” an engineer, just as she “is now” retired.
Fuck. Are my sisters and I going to start fading out of existence now, like in Back to the Future?!
Guys,
My sister is a computer hardware engineer who had the patients to earn a master’s from MIT. (She’s also a great writer, an accomplished musician, and a loving mother.) Is she above a five in looks? God, who the fuck cares?
Is shade47 above a five in looks? I certainly hope so. From now on, I only want to cross bridges engineered by highly attractive people!
Spelling is clearly for chicks so they can better lie on their backs and shit out babies. All you need for engineering is maths and stuff, which is why that guy is still way more awesome than any of you laydeez. (/sarcasm)
Babies come out the butt, right? An engineer would prolly know.
vacuumslayer, maybe he’s so good at engineering that he can build actual babies out of poop.
So that’s why they call them womb turds–they’re just confused!
I thought that was only something Tenacious D could do.
Henh… I just read a topical piece on this: Is it cold in here
“vacuumslayer, maybe he’s so good at engineering that he can build actual babies out of poop.”
And here I was thinking females were made up of sugar and spice and everything nice.
Explains a lot.
“Also, I should tell my BS-in-Nuclear-Engineering best friend that her work at the Quad-Cities nuke plant is useless because she *does* want kids eventually, and that something has been fooling her all along into thinking she’s patients and smart enough for this.”
The BS you refer to is affirmative action.
Hmmmm. Do you think that guy has a less than perfect understanding of biology and human anatomy?
Along with his severely deficient grasp of spelling.
EWME – And here I was thinking females were made up of sugar and spice and everything nice.
Explains a lot.
Nope, we’re made up of the same stuff as you, and we’re just as capable of defending ourselves–in ways our attackers might not like! heavens!–when you give us shit.
The BS you refer to is affirmative action.
Affirmative action is a specific policy and it’s rarely enforced. The worst possibility is that she was equally qualified as a male applicant.
Affirmatively-actioned or not, she has to still be a competent nuclear engineer to have that job.
It’s always great when a STEM degree is held up as the only worthwhile human achievement. Oh, Internet. Never change.
And yes, I have met many female scientists, engineers, architects, computer programmers, etc., but sexist guys will never believe it. And sexist guys on the Internet tend to be heavily invested in the idea that their possession of basic computer skills makes them intellectually superior, so they’re going to be especially resistant to the idea that chicks can do computer/engineering stuff.
OK – so I just dove into the cesspool over there to read the entire thread. How can anyone really hope to be taken seriously when they go by the screen name “Asscrust”????
Do you suppose he’s related to the idiot on the video who was ranting about skidmarks?
Hmmmm. Do you think that guy has a less than perfect understanding of biology and human anatomy?
Not to mention economics.
Shaenon, I know, right? It’s like the underwear gnomes.
Shit out a baby, ???, profit!
Women make up the majority of some very hard-science specialties at MIT:
http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N47/women/tables.pdf
(Including my cousin! My little 18-year-old cousin is a woman who just started at MIT studying electrical engineering!)
However, if you believe that a women’s majority is an injustice towards men, but a women’s minority is proof of female inferiority, then I can’t help you.
Also, um, I hear they allow married women to work these days. My mother was a physicist who–get this–continued to work after having kids. I went to the [not sure I should say the name but let's say "a major military contractor"] daycare facility while she worked on [major military contractor] projects! With her lady science brain!
…I refuse to rate my mother on the ten scale.
“The BS you refer to is affirmative action.”
Zing! My argument! It crumbles in the face of your base ridicule!
I know four rocket scientists (well enough to count them as friends, not just passing acquaintences). Two are female, two are male. The Females work for private industry, (one for Boeing, one for JPL, though she’s on gov’t related projects). One of the males hasn’t been a working rocket scientist fr years, and the other works for the Gov’t.
The women, have much more diverse interests, and manage to keep on top of their fields. The one guy is a jerk (I don’t think this is related to his being a rocket scientist, I think he’s got some Narcissist Personality problems), and the other is pretty much a family man.
So yeah, those wimminz, they just can’t hack it.
And Louise Yallow… she didn’t do anything to earn her Nobel Prize in Medicine, it wasn’t patience that made it possible for her and (and her male partner) to discover how Type II diabetes works. They just got lucky.
She also had kids, which doesn’t seem to have slowed her down much.
Ignoramouses.
Maybe like-minded MRAs should start an alliance w/ the more extreme child-free ppl…
I’ve always thought that the extreme MRAs/MGTOW would be pretty good allies w/ the extreme rad fems./lesbian separatists.. they could divide the world up into men and women, build a GIANT WALL down the middle and they’d both be happy! (and we’d move to the Ami colony on Mars, now renamed Ami-World) :D
/slides out of lurking
I’m a woman and I somehow managed to earn a degree in aerospace engineering. With honors. Must be a fluke. It was probably my girl cooties on the research I had flying that mission that caused the Columbia disaster.
That female computational physics PhD I had dinner with last Saturday and the two female biochemistry PhDs I got drunk with on the 4th are probably affirmative action admissions, too.
Snark aside, you can make endless lists of current or historical examples, and all an MRA will do is sulk and move the goalposts.
But Mars is for men, Ami. We can just send all the MGTOW to Mars, and the radfem separatists to… shit, Venus isn’t habitable. They can have the moon. Women like the moon, right?
summer_snow: But…. Mars Needs Women
You know, there’s not really that many of either, that you’d need an entire planet.
…does anyone know any currently uninhabited islands?
Bikini Atoll?
Those Amazon women liked the moon, if I remember correctly.
Pecunium – I used to live in the Marshall Islands and actually that’s a major… “sore spot” would be putting it mildly. More like “berserk button.”
I get the joke, but at the same time, the idea of moving a bunch of Westerners onto Bikini because Westerners destroyed it is kind of horrible. There’s a lot of people who belong there who would like to go back.
Maybe the less useful parts of Greenland.
yeah… I hit send and knew it wasn’t the best answer. It was just in and out of my head. It would take less to fix up than it would cost to send them to the moon. They could do the work.
Sort of community service,
This is how I imagine Amy.
The many sorrows for her oppressed sisters turned her hair white.
There’s a female gender symbol with a skull in it’s center hanging at her belt — it’s the symbol of the radical feminist militia she belongs to.
She holds a flamethrower in her hands to purge the world from the MRM (one of the best kept secrets: Thomas Ball’s death wasn’t a suicide…).
Scrolls with excerpts from the Holy Book (the SCUM Manifesto) decorate her armor.
I’ve always thought that the extreme MRAs/MGTOW would be pretty good allies w/ the extreme rad fems.
https://ballbuster4ever.wordpress.com/no-men/
“I think of men like mosquitoes – every interaction is going to result in a bite or two, and I have to live with that on an everyday basis. So the more mosquitoes the more blood loss. Mammals have been known to drop dead from swarms of mosquitoes draining them of their life blood.”
at least she says what she thinks instead of all you hypocrites.
Radfems can’t have the moon, I’ve got dibs on that for the white separatists:
So Marc, what do people who post here actually think but refuse to say?
Marc – I, uh, really don’t think that.
And I don’t know how you presume to know what I think. Psychic powers?
Graham – I love Some Grey Bloke! It only confirms my stereotype that every British person has spent their entire life refining a perfectly dry sense of humor.
Women make up the majority of some very hard-science specialties at MIT:
http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N47/women/tables.pdf
(Including my cousin! My little 18-year-old cousin is a woman who just started at MIT studying electrical engineering!)
For undergraduates we have a female majority in:
– Linguistics and Philosophy
– Civil and Environmental Engineering
– Architecture
– Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences
– Biology (these are the worst… if I imagine myself a crazy evil scientist, it’s always a biologist… like Ozwell Spencer, or even better a Japanese evil biologist. Like Dr. Hojo…… and with all these female graduates I have to imagine a female evil Japanese biologist… aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!)
– Brain and Cognitive Sciences (uh, oh, these people like evo-psych, you don’t consider a science at all)
– Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences (aka people who propagate the global warming scam)
– Economics
– Comparative Media Studies
– Biological Engineering (aka designing torture devices for poor animals)
– Chemistry (aka cooking)
– Chemical Engineering (aka designing cooking devices)
– Urban Studies and Planning (planning the housing bubble)
and where is the hard-science, there? Only see chemistry would be one.
Thank you. And that may be somewhat true – though you have to remember that The Benny Hill Show and Mr Bean are also British.
So Marc, what do people who post here actually think but refuse to say?
That we silently all agree that there’s no place for men anymore on this planet.
Oh, right. You’re wrong then.
- Biological Engineering (aka designing torture devices for poor animals)
– Chemistry (aka cooking)
– Chemical Engineering (aka designing cooking devices)
What in the name of every being ever considered holy is wrong with you?
Chemistry, aka cooking? MOTHERFUCKING SERIOUSLY?
I forget–are you one of those trolls who claims to believe what he says, or one of those who admits he’s just fucking with us? Because if it’s the former, I think you just blew your cover.
Right… there is actually no need to imagine what Ami looks like, or to “imagine” what folks here are thinking, when they’ve been quite forthright about that. Generally* we present ourselves the way we want to be perceived. Basic respect = taking people at their word unless there’s a compelling reason not to.
* see what I did there? That means “in most cases.” FYI
“That we silently all agree that there’s no place for men anymore on this planet.”
Speak for yourself, Marc.
Sigh, having just left a job teaching at an engineering heavy university, I’ve lost count how many male students I encountered with the “women’s minds are different, so they can’t do math/physics/etc well,” which also often had the ugly correlary of “she’s only here and on scholarship because she’s a girl (never woman, always girl)” attitude. When a women was in class, it was always difficult as the attitudes could range from neckbeardish drooling (“Look, A Girl!”) to cruel and snobbish ostracization (often by the same person, in the same class).
Honestly, I had more than one student describe a belief that, as engineers, the only female colleagues they would have would be their “secretaries” (never office mangers, HR directors, PR directors, and never ever fellow engineers. Always secretaries). This cut across all races, more or less.
After a bit, I understood, I think. They all felt their jobs as engineers would be like one long episode of MadMen, except, y’know, building or designing or maintaining stuff.
Chemistry is not much different from cooking, that’s the reason many women feel familiar with it and feel comfortable studying it.
Look at Marie Curie, what else did she do but cooking?
My good grandma, Elfriede, if I see her cooking jam in her big cauldron… that’s how I imagine Marie Curie… only that she didn’t cook jam but radioactive pitch blende… so Marie Curie got a Nobel Prize for cooking… but since cooking = chemistry, that’s fine I would say.
Well I silently agree that there should be no more Marc on this planet. He can go to Mars or Venus or Pluto for all I care.
And no, I do not want him dead. He can have all of the bottles of water and oxygen he can carry. I will even give him a plant to help regenerate the oxygen he needs.
“- Brain and Cognitive Sciences (uh, oh, these people like evo-psych, you don’t consider a science at all)”
Now, I’m not a student at MIT. But I am a student. And if MIT is like other schools, the field of Brain and Cognitive Sciences tends to be really hard science. I’m assuming that “Brain and Cognitive Sciences” is considered to be a separate field from Psychology at MIT (they’re separate at my school); the name implies that the focus of the study is Cognitive Neuroscience rather than straight-up psych, so I apologize if I’m wrong about that, and if I am, you might as well stop reading.
If I’m not, then Cognitive Neuroscience is no “soft” science. Among other things, it focuses on learning the anatomy of the brain, learning about the various imaging techniques that we currently have for studying the brain, learning about what we theorize that every little area of the brain does (which is basically innumerable, from what we can tell), and…anything else under the sun that you can think of that involves, you guessed it, the brain.
Granted, some classes in the subject are easier than others. But if it’s a person’s major, then they are probably in for the long haul (i.e., they intend to pursue a career in neuroscience or neurosurgery). The human brain is unbelievably complex (we don’t even come close to having a lot of things totally figured out with it), so….I wouldn’t scoff at someone who has made the decision to devote their life to studying the brain, possibly some day performing surgery on it, or developing new technology to better view/study it, researching neurological disorders and how to some day treat/cure them….and so on.
I’m just sayin’.
That is some heavy duty justification going on there Marc. *donates another dollar to the Make Marc Go Off Planet fund*
Well, I for one look forward to the day when my entire sex is eradicated.
I wonder if chemistry is still cooking when men do it.
…or does that make them “chefs”?
Speak for yourself, Marc.
Please be quiet, redlocker, men can’t be feminists anyway.
All I say is that I don’t like hypocrisy… I don’t like crypto-sexism, exactly as vaguelyhumanoid doesn’t like crypto-racism.
Mind you, nobody is more honest than me, so give me a clansman every day but not one of these crypto-racist white nationalists! Give me one of these blacks everyday, but please spare me those “because I’m black, because I’m black!”-blacks!
That’s all I wanted to say.
“I wonder if chemistry is still cooking when men do it.
…or does that make them “chefs”?”
HAHAHAHAHA!
Chemistry is not much different from cooking, that’s the reason many women feel familiar with it and feel comfortable studying it.
Lol. That’s true. I studied chemistry and I’m a damn good cook. Pharmacists are good cooks, too. The best cook I know is a pharmacist.
the name implies that the focus of the study is Cognitive Neuroscience rather than straight-up psych, so I apologize if I’m wrong about that, and if I am, you might as well stop reading.
Cognitive Science is a bunch of materialists of the functionalism variety trying to disprove the Chinese Room argument by John Searle.
My stepgrandmother had the “patients” to be the first person in many years to graduate magna cum laude from the University of Detroit in Architecture. There were a hundred students in her first year and only twelve, herself included, graduated. She once stayed awake for 72 hours straight. She has a Ph.D and remains an architect and ardent feminist to this day. She is also the former president of the art gallery, assistant provost in the University’s administration, a professor in a program she invented called VABE (Visual Art and the Built Environment), and she’s involved with the symphony in our city. That’s not even to mention her work in the garden at home. Her average night consists of five to six hours of sleep. And the newest building she’s working on? A new engineering building. I hope some of these MRA types end up attending, just so I can visualize the looks on their faces when they realize they’re benefiting from a building designed by a woman.
Also, her mother started one of the first farmers’ unions, used to drive a racecar, is a retired professor, and was the primary caregiver of her two children.
Oh, and my Nana was a full-time high school teacher at the same as being single and raising her daughter, her four stepchildren, and her two grandchildren.
Yup. No “patients” at all, these women.
“Cognitive Science is a bunch of materialists of the functionalism variety trying to disprove the Chinese Room argument by John Searle.”
At my school, it refers to straight-up studying the brain. I’m a Psych major, but I’ve taken classes in Cognitive Neuroscience just out of sheer interest, and it’s very technical, dry stuff.
It sounds like you haven’t found enough material here to fill your persecution comple. So you’re reduced to imagining what we’re supposedly thinking in order to justify to yourself the bile you spew forth.
Please define crypto-sexism and explain how it applies to the people who comment here, Marc. I have a large vodka orange and nothing much to do and my Twitter feed is slow, so I’d be grateful for the entertainment.
Marc, just what do you think a university-level chemistry education consists of? I suspect you might be confusing it with high school chemistry class.
This is probably one of those topics that’s going to get dropped in a hurry, or end with an indignant declaration that people here have no sense of humour, isn’t it?
@mind control beams: Marc is an oh so brilliant man. So brilliant he doesn’t even need to back up his points, he just drops bombs and moves to another spot.
Wait, wait, wait.
All women more conventionally attractive than average don’t work? WHAT?
Has this dude met a human being?
My sources say no.
This is probably one of those topics that’s going to get dropped in a hurry, or end with an indignant declaration that people here have no sense of humour, isn’t it?
Because they argue so bad and after they made a fool of themselves they try to convince others that it never was meant seriously?
Oh, yes, I know these types of people. But I’m different, I would never do that… I stand by my words!
Because they argue so bad and after they made a fool of themselves they try to convince others that it never was meant seriously?
Uh, I seriously believe chemistry is a hard science, and that women in chemistry are women in the sciences and not “cooks.” I’m standing by that.
How bout you?
Actually, is this a persecution complex, or a fetish? The slaveman liked to be insulted by women he imagined were wearing silky dresses and had perfect pedicures. Maybe imagining a world where penises are slowly hunted out of existence, and then writing about it for an audience, is Marc’s “thing.” It’s okay if it is, Marc. Fetishes are perfectly natural.
Also: I am like 90% convinced that Marc is Scott Adams. It’s okay if you are, Marc. Scott Adamses are perfectly natural.