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Digital twats vs. the Pussy Pricing Cartel

Like women, pandas are too lazy to have sex properly.

So, porn. Apparently women just HATE it, and a fellow calling himself Womanhater over on the MGTOWforums is here to tell us the REAL reason why.  Well, reasons. Obviously, everybody already knows

that porn makes men not have to deal with women, and therefore lessens the value of the snatch mafia and the pussy pricing cartel.

But, Womanhater thinks “there may be another factor at play.” Let’s let Mr. Hater explain:

[W]e all know that twats will throw sex at a man and lie to him endlessly to seduce him into legal slavery/marriage. But porn makes the sex she has to throw at him much more unpleasant.

Remember, sex is pretty unpleasant for most women to begin with:

We know that that vast majority of twats either do not enjoy sex at all, or they only enjoy it with thug cock. As such, they have to engage in a physically unpleasant activity with a man they’re not physically attracted to, but only financially attracted to.

But then along comes porn, and suddenly women discover that they have to actually make an effort as well:

Porn means that she cannot simply spread her legs, lay there like a dead fish, and let her victim bust his nut. Porn has made her have to act now too. She must work much much harder to emulate the digital twats her victim has been seeing for a decade or better, and only a true sociopath can fake emotion that well that long.

Also, they can’t get away with being big fat fatties either:

Porn has also raised the expectations of her victim vis a vis her physique, which as we all know is a challenge for Western women these days.

In the end, it all comes down to sheer laziness:

In short, if the twat wasn’t lazy, she’d not be trying to loot a man. And that laziness is exactly what has porn has challenged. While there’s still plenty of victims in the world for the vile cunts to loot and torture, they’re having to work much much much harder to do it now, and THAT is why the twats dislike porn.

QED!

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Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

To be fair, I actually DO have penis hate. xD But not ALL penis hate, just … the one I’m stuck w/ xD But someday (soon hopefully : ) that will be corrected :3

Then I will not have (one) penis hate!

And then mr. elephanthateypants will be happier 😀

also @Ozy yeah I just found out Kirby shares a whole bunch of fetishes w/ me yesterday and I gave him a bunch of porn stories on that make me hot 😀

I’m evil and a bad feminist… or I’m an evil, bad feminist :O

Trollin'MRAs
Trollin'MRAs
9 years ago

THE GUN IS GOOD! THE PENIS IS EVIL! Listen to Zardoz.

I’ve heard some MRAs claim that the commenters here “think everything is about them.”

Judging by the recent MRA comments, they think everything is about the penis.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

I think everything is about me. Does that count? xD

Magpie
Magpie
9 years ago

Ami: that’s because everything is about you 🙂 It’s perfectly accurate perspective 🙂

Plymouth
Plymouth
9 years ago

Ohh, ohh, I used lube when I was sewing bags out of recycled bocycle inner tube rubber. It was the only thing that would make the rubber slide under the machine presser foot. Then I gave up because it was just too messy 😛

Plymouth
Plymouth
9 years ago

uh, “bicycle” even.

BigKitty
BigKitty
9 years ago

@Ami – No, no, no, you’re not an evil bad feminist. You are (a) Eeevil!, in the best possible sense of the term; (b) Baaad! (as in, baaad-ass awesome, and (c) feminist – as in Yay AMI!!!

I have spoken.

speedlines
speedlines
9 years ago

Don’t forget “unspeakably cruel.”

eilish
eilish
9 years ago

Joanna: I’d like to suggest that better advice to the women would be “say stop if you are not having fun”. It’s a shame that none of your friends ever thought “hmmm, she doesn’t appear to be enjoying this- perhaps I could find out what she would like?” instead of continuing on grimly to the end.
As for using porn as a how-to guide: the sex in porn is set up to look good on camera. What’s good on camera might not be all that comfortable in RL.

The thing I find most amazing about people like Mr.Woman hater is: other people come along and defend his ridiculous blatherings. They read stuff like that and say “Yes! It’s so true! And radfems started it!”
The mind. It goes boggle.

Sharculese
9 years ago

That being said, the reciprocal anger shares more with class hatred towards the rulers than this anti-woman conspiracy like the simpleminded and easily manipulated believe.

Ahem.

This is not a sentence. It share many characteristics with one and is a very intelligent simulacrum, but it is not a sentence. A sentence communicates meaning. This communicates only frustration and confusion. It is a clever party trick, but not a difficult one, and not one that adds to the discussion.

In such fashion:

“Indubitably, the bilateral symmetry of the misogyn-misandro-complex is a root delusion of materialist nomenclature.”

“Suchlike, we find tension between the phallic and vulvic masks deeper antipathy as to western structural entropy.”

These carry the same meaningweight as the sentence-thing you excreted, but they say nothing to people with functioning thinkparts.

may only the truth shine through

Indeed, may it. But probably not through you.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

*gets out her whatever whatever ceremony* Do You Ami take Kirby to be your lawfully whatever whatever? And Do You Kirby take Amy to be your lawfully whatever whatever?

I now pronounce you whatever whatever.

Sorry! I just love weddings of any kind!

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@Magpie and BigKitty awww ty <3 <3 :3

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Oh right I closed the bracket xD

@Speedlines yus! We can’t forget CRUEL! XDDD

@Elizabeth XDDDDDD Awwww… yay! 😀 Now Kirby’s my whatever whatever xD That would be awesome on a marriage certif :3

I personally think we should be like in Dr. Seuss… forget husband and wife… Thing 1 and Thing 2

xD

magdelyn
9 years ago

@ Bee

Bee said: [“…Also, California is not the only state in the only country in the world…”]

Maybe not, but it is home to the San Fernando Valley, from which, ..”nearly 90% of all legally distributed pornographic films made in the United States are either filmed in or produced by studios based in the San Fernando Valley…” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fernando_Valley)

Bee said: [“…I come away from the conversation thinking that the fact that some people find the industry so damaging means that there’s a chance that some of the porn I’m likely to run across is likely to star people who have been treated badly by the industry, and that makes me unable to enjoy it…”]

I’ve heard first person narratives from people who have been severely damaged by cars. It doesn’t keep me from driving. Because, as an adult, I get to make my own decisions.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

But if ppl were being damaged in the creation of things you use to entertain yourself, would you still feel like you could enjoy it? :

This isn’t to say whether I feel the same as her or not (you can tell from my comments I’m not anti-porn) but that that’s not a fair comparison to what she said. xD She said that knowing that ppl might have been damaged in the making of porn makes her unable to enjoy it.

Shora
9 years ago

“I’ve heard first person narratives from people who have been severely damaged by cars. It doesn’t keep me from driving. Because, as an adult, I get to make my own decisions.”

That’s not the same thing, really, since people are (presumably) not horribly damaged during the making of the cars you buy. Abstaining from something because you don’t want to support the practices of an industry is not a rare thing. How many people are vegetarians because they don’t want to support the horrible abuses of animals in the meat industry? Would/do you look at them with contempt and dismissal and say they should really eat meat because those abuses doesn’t stop you from doing so?

footnotegirl
footnotegirl
9 years ago

I don’t understand the assumption that all women hate porn. I’m a feminist, and I like both filmed and written porn (still pictures don’t do much for me). I’m fairly picky about what I’ll watch film wise, simply because there’s so much exploitation going out there especially when it comes to Asian and Eastern European produced stuff and I don’t want to watch, even accidentally, anyone really honestly being abused. But since there’s plenty of professionally produced US stuff, and what are clearly happy amateurs? Yay!
I know my husband reads/watches porn as well, and I’m cool with it. The one restriction (which is for both of us) is not to use the porn as a substitute for intimacy between us. No using porn while the other person is home and available, sheesh! But that’s about it.
I know he doesn’t compare me to the women in porn, and even if he did, I would win because I am a) real, b) actually willing (and eager) to have sex with him and c) the woman he loves. There literally can be no comparison. I win on every level.
Amusingly, of the two of us, I am the only one who actually likes watching live performers, insofar as I enjoy attending Burlesque shows, but he just isn’t interested in strippers etc.

Sharculese
9 years ago

I’ve heard first person narratives from people who have been severely damaged by cars. It doesn’t keep me from driving.

I adore this particular line of bad argument, x is dangerous therefore you shouldn’t consider the dangers of y, and I wish there was a name for it. Of course it only holds insofar as you can prove that a) the dangers imposed by x and y are similar, b) the awareness of the risks involved in x and y are similar, and c) the eventual outcomes of x and y are similar. I mean, of course you can’t prove these things because there’s no data to support you and you’re making a silly handwaving argument for the plain sake of being contrarian, but these are the things you’d have to prove if you were ever interested in actually arguing your case (I’m fully aware you’re not).

Because, as an adult, I get to make my own decisions.

If you can’t distinguish between allowing people to make their own choices and concern about the outcome of their choices, you really can’t be much of an adult.

magdelyn
9 years ago

@ Shora,

I would not look at them with contempt and dismissal and say they should really eat meat…

But, I don’t want people using some victim-narrative to restrict how I express my life. I don’t want some body’s agenda in my face, telling me what is good for me.

@ Ami – more people are killed and maimed by cars then any other product on the planet. The “creation” part is irrelevant. The fact is, the world can be an ugly place. That is no reason to go through life with one’s head in the sand.

magdelyn
9 years ago

@ sharcluese…your pretentious polemic is as poorly thought out as it it irrelevant. Trying to sound sophisticated doesn’t make you look smart.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Shorter magdelyn: “Waaaah waaah waaaah! Not listening! I can’t hear you!”

magdelyn
9 years ago

Weak, sharculese, weak.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Like, I’m sorry that I’m not going to pretend to take you seriously before explaining why you’re argument doesn’t make sense, but I don’t tolerate poor analogies, and if you find that pretentious, well that speaks to your character, not mine.

Sharculese
9 years ago

oh lord, I made a you’re/your error. i’m sincerely (not sarcastic at all) mortified.

magdelyn
9 years ago

Why would you be mortified. Grammar and spelling Nazi’s are the first indication of a weak intellect.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Magdelyn: “But, I don’t want people using some victim-narrative to restrict how I express my life. I don’t want some body’s agenda in my face, telling me what is good for me.”

And that’s awesome. I’m not arguing against that.

I’m just saying that I get to make decisions about my own life. Cool?

magdelyn
9 years ago

@ Bee.

Oh, good. Then there is not need for me to be confrontational. Don’t ge me wrong. I deplore the sexual exploitation of people who come from a position of weakness. I definately agree with you there. 🙂

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
9 years ago

I’m sure people are routinely killed and maimed in the course of extracting and processing the necessary materials and energy resources needed for manufacturing cars. One could even point to the USA’s numerous military engagements in the Middle East as a partial result of our love for moving ourselves around in wheeled 2-ton metal boxes propelled by internal combustion engines.

The economic system we currently have set up to accomplish such tasks as furnishing raw materials for manufacturers of consumer goods simply does not value human life or dignity. When it does, it’s an afterthought. Porn is unique only in that its production involves (or can involve, it’s not a prerequisite) sexual degradation of the people producing the porn. Which disproportionately affects women. Otherwise, it’s very much like any other product or service we consume: exploitative, unethical, inefficient, and wasteful, unless the consumer has taken heroic measures to avoid ethical conflicts, and paid a pretty penny for the privilege. Also much like other products in that it’s better when it’s DIY.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Why would you be mortified. Grammar and spelling Nazi’s are the first indication of a weak intellect.

there’s a childish division that circulates on the internet (mostly because the internet is full of boring dorks who prize grammar over fluency) between strict prescriptivists and people who don’t worry at all about grammar and spelling, sometimes because they sincerely reject it and sometimes because they’re bad at it. i’m assuming that’s what you’re trying to get at here?!

i’m not a prescriptivist and i’m totally happy bending the rules of english grammar, because let’s face it, english is a bastard language and one that’s really amenable to playing around with rules. but mistaking you’re and your is silly and not something you do if you take more than a second to proofread your writing. i’m not sure what’s surprising about being embarrassed that i made that mistake?

Sharculese
9 years ago

also did you fill that post with punctuation errors just to taunt me? I may be flexible about grammar, but I do have a basic belief in the power of punctuation…

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Man, Kirby gets all the chicks. He must be an alpha.

Sharculese
9 years ago

moreover, I’m embarrassed I’ve joined a new place and immediately gotten into a silly slapfight. sorry everyone, I promise I’m generally better than that.

+4/5

Shora
9 years ago

My boyfriend corrects my grammar all the time, and he has far from a weak intellect. Sometimes I see grammer correction in lieu of an actual good argument, which i do believe is a sign of weak intellect. However, Sharculese was correcting her own grammar, so that hardly applies. (My own grammar is atrocious and I’ve never pretended otherwise.)

“But, I don’t want people using some victim-narrative to restrict how I express my life. I don’t want some body’s agenda in my face, telling me what is good for me.”

Well of course not! I both eat meat and watch porn despite my reservations. It just seemed from where I was standing (I jumped into the argument in the middle so I probably missed something) that you were scoffing at OTHERS for THEIR choices in not consuming porn, which I thought was rather unfair.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

Gay porn actors have NO test requirements for the most part, and some are HIV positive. That is why some people rail against cross-over performers.

It’s two different systems that don’t work well together: In straight porn you have mandated testing (but even the most dangerous practices are done without condoms), in gay porn they insist on condoms.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Sharculese: I adore this particular line of bad argument, x is dangerous therefore you shouldn’t consider the dangers of y, and I wish there was a name for it.

There is: Weak Analogy

And, from the explanation is an example which is spot on topic.

WASHINGTON (AP)–The only exterminator in Congress told his colleagues Wednesday that it would be a short-sighted move to ban use of chlordane and related termiticides that cause cancer in laboratory animals.

Supporters of the bill, however, claimed that the Environmental Protection Agency was “dragging its feet” on a chemical that could cause 300,000 cancers in the American population in 70 years.

“This bill reminds me of legislation that ought to be introduced to outlaw automobiles” on the grounds that cars kill people, said Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, who owns an exterminating business.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Yeah, bad/weak analogy is always a thing, but this kind of bad analogy shows up so often I want to make a special name for it, but I can’t think of one.

Nobby
9 years ago

Wait, wait everyone, I think I figured out what happened to Ion. Has anyone seen McDonald around recently?

Johnny Pez
9 years ago

Good idea, Nobby.

So, Ion, have you noticed in yourself a tendency to shamble lately?

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

In informal logic there’s always a fine line between a logical fallacy and a correct argument. It can’t be pinned down that easily and that’s the reason why I have a strong distrust against people who constantly accuse others of logical fallacies and argue in that substanceless formal way (something that was confirmed in many arguments).

For example a recuctio ad absurdum is a correct way to argue, but an argument from incredulity is not, yet the two are closely related, because what is absurd is of course somehow “incredulous”, maybe stronger, but it is still not so clear where the exact difference lies.

The car analogy has it’s problems of course. But nobody argues like “x is dangerous therefore you shouldn’t consider the dangers of y”, it’s more like “x is dangerous but you don’t care about that, you only care about y which isn’t more dangerous, so why are your priorities so weird? You are a hypocrite!”

Johnny Pez
9 years ago

Also, I have the feeling that knowing people were injured while making her car would only increase magdelyn’s enjoyment of driving it. Because FREEDOM!

Brandon
Brandon
9 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy:While I think that people in relationships should listen to their partners, I don’t think a man should change everything about himself to please their girlfriend. A man needs his own values, beliefs and identity. I don’t see the treatment of porn stars to be bad. While I am sure there is some bad treatment in the industry, I am not going to denounce the entire industry. I am sure there is a shitty car company that makes bad cars (pinto), but that doesn’t mean I never buy a car.

it’s not about “wining and dining women”, it’s about women being able to avoid men that wont use prostitutes because of the illegality of it. So women spend lots of time waiting for him to “turn around” and commit to them or propose. This I am sure is frustrating for the woman, hence if the man had a no commitment, legal sexual outlet, he might switch to prostitutes instead of pestering you to sleep with him when you want a serious relationship.

My definition of love is slightly different than most. If I enjoy sleeping with a woman and enjoy spending time with her…that’s really it. I am anti-monogamy and my relationships with women are considered open relationships.

@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth: I have asked a few, but most of them have said “Because I don’t want you too”. At the end of the day, my porn use is not her concern. I don’t prevent her from masturbating to whatever she wants. I expect she doesn’t prevent me from the same. Fair is fair.

I don’t really “court” women as I find it counterproductive and I just don’t have the money to be taking girls out on dinner dates or buying them flowers frequently. My dating consists of “open relationships” with women. I am anti-marriage so marriage is out too. Women should be treated well and I am open and honest with the girls I sleep with. The last thing I want is a girl to think I was “leading her on”.

@Amused: We are all expendable. You, me, the first commenter, etc… That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be treated well or with respect. I am not the only man that is capable of getting her off and thinking that would equal being delusional. People should be respected and appreciated but to think “I am special” is just insane.

Also, it is not my job to make her feel secure. She should look inwards to find security for herself and not depend on men to provide it.

I think I answered this earlier, but I don’t care if she watches or looks at porn.

I have never used a prostitute so I don’t know…it might be better. Two-dimensional images and my hand do not replace a woman. I masturbate when I want to and if she isn’t around. If she is around…I sleep with her. I would only go back to wacking it if she didn’t want to.

I don’t do exclusive relationships and all the women I sleep with know this and still choose to spend time with me. I have had women not approve of my lifestyle, and that is fine, I respectfully part ways and I hope they find someone that can give them what they want.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@magdelyn Bee alrdy answered, but I wanted to also say, that I was pointing out that she said she did not feel enjoyment b/c her knowledge of the risks/dangers personally took the enjoyment out for her… that’s why the analogy was off, she wasn’t telling you what you should do, only that it was how she felt for herself, and I was trying to explain that :]

evilwhitemalempire
evilwhitemalempire
9 years ago

Bee
“I admit that I don’t like porn, but it’s not for any of the reasons the wonderfully named Womanhater says. When it’s done humanely, and the people involved are having lots of fun (or at least having a little fun and making some good money) — fine. But unless I can be sure that that’s the case, I feel mighty uncomfortable watching it-”

Well if you absolutely must be certain then here is what you do.

Look VERY carefully at the female performers.

If they are all fatter/uglier than you are than you can be reasonably sure that it was all done humanely.

If that’s not the case then you’d better report them to the police.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

On Thug Cocks xD
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Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

I know that that’s EWME’s usual shtick of “haha fatty” but.. that made no sense as an insult o_O

Magical Laura
9 years ago

I think he is just saying that women hate porn because they are jealous of the hot girls or something…altho it speaks volumes that there are never hot guys in straight porn, I’m sure that’s nothing to do with insecurity!

Personally I have no need to feel insecure because there are no women in any porn I watch. BONUS: hot guys 😀

shaenon
9 years ago

I know that that’s EWME’s usual shtick of “haha fatty” but.. that made no sense as an insult o_O

Have you ever seen the documentary “Live Nude Girls Unite,” about the Lusty Lady strip club in San Francisco and its workers’ efforts to unionize? There’s a scene where, after they’ve successfully unionized and gotten health care and stuff, some of the strippers are checking out a website where guys rate the local strip clubs. They read a bunch of posts declaring that the Lusty Lady has gone downhill since it unionized and the strippers are ugly now… even though the exact same women are working there.

Maybe Evil is of the same mindset as the guys on that message board. The idea that sex workers are being exploited is part of the appeal for him; if they’re happy and treated “humanely,” it ruins the fun and they’re suddenly ugly fat fat fatties.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

The idea that sex workers are being exploited is part of the appeal for him…

I’d call that a “bingo” quote! 😀

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Why would you be mortified. Grammar and spelling Nazi’s are the first indication of a weak intellect.

Why would you be mortified? Grammar and spelling Nazis are* the first indication of a weak intellect.

*Really should be:

Grammar and spelling Nazism is the first indication of a weak intellect.

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

Oh, shut-up, EWME, you cock!

(And not even a thug cock, either.)