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Digital twats vs. the Pussy Pricing Cartel

Like women, pandas are too lazy to have sex properly.

So, porn. Apparently women just HATE it, and a fellow calling himself Womanhater over on the MGTOWforums is here to tell us the REAL reason why.  Well, reasons. Obviously, everybody already knows

that porn makes men not have to deal with women, and therefore lessens the value of the snatch mafia and the pussy pricing cartel.

But, Womanhater thinks “there may be another factor at play.” Let’s let Mr. Hater explain:

[W]e all know that twats will throw sex at a man and lie to him endlessly to seduce him into legal slavery/marriage. But porn makes the sex she has to throw at him much more unpleasant.

Remember, sex is pretty unpleasant for most women to begin with:

We know that that vast majority of twats either do not enjoy sex at all, or they only enjoy it with thug cock. As such, they have to engage in a physically unpleasant activity with a man they’re not physically attracted to, but only financially attracted to.

But then along comes porn, and suddenly women discover that they have to actually make an effort as well:

Porn means that she cannot simply spread her legs, lay there like a dead fish, and let her victim bust his nut. Porn has made her have to act now too. She must work much much harder to emulate the digital twats her victim has been seeing for a decade or better, and only a true sociopath can fake emotion that well that long.

Also, they can’t get away with being big fat fatties either:

Porn has also raised the expectations of her victim vis a vis her physique, which as we all know is a challenge for Western women these days.

In the end, it all comes down to sheer laziness:

In short, if the twat wasn’t lazy, she’d not be trying to loot a man. And that laziness is exactly what has porn has challenged. While there’s still plenty of victims in the world for the vile cunts to loot and torture, they’re having to work much much much harder to do it now, and THAT is why the twats dislike porn.

QED!

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Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

I’ve been told that increased size, insofar as it matters at all, is only good up to a point. I’ve heard excessive length described as “pokey” or like being punched in the cervix. That doesn’t sound fun. And, yeah, too much girth means anal is right out, generally speaking.

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago

Or, even better along those lines, “It’s lootin’ time! Stand and deliver!” XD

Wait… there are women out there that don’t expect me to put on eye make-up and a Highway Man’s jacket?

Comprehensive sex education sounds like a good idea, although I’m not sure how you could depict the realities of sex vs porn without, you know, showing porn of some kind. Though I probably wouldn’t have minded…

Probably like Monty Python did in The Meaning of Life.

Molly Ren
9 years ago

Ion wrote, “Yeah, I’m changing things up for a while. If Ami can pretend to be a troll, I can pretend to be… whatever the opposite of that is.”

You’re pretending to be a sex positive feminist? o.O

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

As for Womanhater…yeah, I think he may have issues with women. Just sayin’.

Ion
Ion
9 years ago

Yeah, I don’t think the message of porn is as much “you’re too small” as it is “women prefer guys who are huge”. This is sometimes taken to ridiculous extremes (Freaks of Cock, etc) and in fact there doesn’t seem to be much truth to it.

The huge balls thing is just weird, but not the weirdest body mod I’ve ever heard of, I guess.

vacuumslayer
vacuumslayer
9 years ago

I had to pop in to say I am enjoying Ion’s posts. And I am being neither snarky nor sarcastic.

Ion
Ion
9 years ago

You’re pretending to be a sex positive feminist? o.O

Forgot to post under a different name though, damn.

As for Womanhater…yeah, I think he may have issues with women. Just sayin’.

Nah, it’s probably just a name, like Hiram J. Beatwife. He did have a temper, though…

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

I like how I’m the standard on this blog xD

And influencing ppl in positive ways! 😀

Joanna – that’s a facet I hadn’t thought of. Porn teaching you to be more creative/giving you ideas? Wish we had more of that.

Some of my most interesting writing started out as porn and then afterwards, I thought it turned out rly well, I took out the porn and turned it into a fantasy adventure (it was an on-going mind control story on a MC fetish site that I took over for fun when the author went on hiatus) or etc… :]

I think all sorts of fiction and ways of expressing stuff can give us ideas and help us be more creative. I learned a lot about pacing and telling a story using combat, and etc by watching wrestling :3

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

I knew a guy in high school who thought nine inches was the average for a man and he was defective or something.

Yeah me too xD (i wasn’t being facetious before when I was asking, I know how porn can fark up ppl, esp teen’s ideas of what sex is like, or what’s “normal” for various body parts, etc… like I knew guys who was convinced every woman was multi orgasmic.. others who thought every girl squirted.. etc : )

Sharculese
9 years ago

[i]Comprehensive sex education sounds like a good idea, although I’m not sure how you could depict the realities of sex vs porn without, you know, showing porn of some kind. Though I probably wouldn’t have minded…[/i]

Countries that take sex ed seriously make appropriate videos for this. I’m working at comprehensive sex ed advocacy group right now and one of our directors just came back from an international conference with a Swedish sex ed video that has graphic, but not pornographic, depictions of heterosexual sex and male and female masturbation.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

I also agree that it can help you discover new ideas, positions, etc :] and makes things more fun! altho tho, there are some narratives that can be dominant, esp in certain porn, and it can create expectations of what’s “normal” rather than the idea that ppl have individual things about them (like different androgynous zones, etc) so there’s that too… :]

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Countries that take sex ed seriously make appropriate videos for this. I’m working at comprehensive sex ed advocacy group right now and one of our directors just came back from an international conference with a Swedish sex ed video that has graphic, but not pornographic, depictions of heterosexual sex and male and female masturbation.

(you have to use angle brackets instead of the square brackets 🙂 )

that sounds pretty awesome :3

Brandon
Brandon
9 years ago

While his comments were hateful to say the least. I can sort of see where he is coming from. I have had a few girlfriends that didn’t like me using porn. I believe it is because insecure women have a tendency to monopolize a man’s sexual outlets. Men like me, like variety. Insecure women see it as some sort of attack on them because their men are jacking off to porn. They want to be the only woman to make their man cum…when practically any woman is capable of doing it.

It’s the same rationale for prostitution. Lots of women cringe at the idea of men going to prostitutes to satisfy their sexual impulses. Women would rather you court them, date them, marry them, buy a house, etc.. If a man is only looking to have sex without a relationship, visiting hookers is both good for men and women. Men get a release, relax and get rid of some stress. Women get to not be in relationships where the man who is only sleeping with her because of society taboos against prostitution. And the prostitute earns a living. Seems like a win-win-win

I have also heard of studies that porn actually lowers rape crimes. If that is the case, one would think most feminists would be all for porn.

Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Nah, it’s probably just a name, like Hiram J. Beatwife. He did have a temper, though…

I hear he designed a particular style of shirt, the name of which eludes me at present.

speedlines
speedlines
9 years ago

Swedish sex education films are scary.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Are they rly? o:

speedlines
speedlines
9 years ago

Yeah, it really is like watching your parents having sex, assuming your parents are pasty-white. I went to a very progressive high school that showed one of those films, and I think the whole class was traumatized.

Sharculese
9 years ago

Swedish sex education films are scary.

Yeah, they’re encouraging everyone to check out the video and so far I’ve been squeamish about it…

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Brandon – I’m not actually against porn. And I have seen the “insecure women don’t want their boyfriend to use porn” thing, with two caveats:

1) Not all women–or even most–are that insecure.
2) Sometimes their objection is to the treatment of the performers, and not to the boyfriend getting off with other women.

And prostitution is a whole nother thing. I’ve never heard any arguments about “then men won’t wine and dine us!” (well, not from feminists); they’ve all been concerns about the safety and freedom of choice of the prostitutes.

I also have to ask: what about love. My boyfriend isn’t dating me (and buying me a house?!?! no) because he doesn’t want to hire a prostitute. We’re actually in love and shit. Like, both of us. With each other.

And for free even.

zhinxy
zhinxy
9 years ago

Ami: Honestly have yet to see one, but I once had a Swedish buddy who claimed he was deeply scarred by the lame sex film. XD

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

o_o frightening D:

And yay Zhinxy is here! And she has a CBC type logo! *hugs Zhinxy*

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/07/15/victoria-police-educational-crack-video-raises-eyebrows/

Apparently the Swedes aren’t the only one releasing strange educational videos xD (sry I just saw this in my daily news reading and had to share XD)

filetofswedishfish
9 years ago

“While his comments were hateful to say the least. I can sort of see where he is coming from. I have had a few girlfriends that didn’t like me using porn. I believe it is because insecure women have a tendency to monopolize a man’s sexual outlets. Men like me, like variety. Insecure women see it as some sort of attack on them because their men are jacking off to porn. They want to be the only woman to make their man cum…when practically any woman is capable of doing it.”

I had a boyfriend who used A LOT of really, really mainstream porn. I didn’t like it because he 100% expected me to act like a porn star when we had sex, and couldn’t cum unless I was acting that way. Not to mention that mainstream porn has some pretty problematic dynamics in it, on top of the treatment of the performers.

“It’s the same rationale for prostitution. Lots of women cringe at the idea of men going to prostitutes to satisfy their sexual impulses. Women would rather you court them, date them, marry them, buy a house, etc.. If a man is only looking to have sex without a relationship, visiting hookers is both good for men and women. Men get a release, relax and get rid of some stress. Women get to not be in relationships where the man who is only sleeping with her because of society taboos against prostitution. And the prostitute earns a living. Seems like a win-win-win”

I would be iffy on an SO visiting a prostitute, because prostitution is illegal, and thus unregulated. There’s the risk of STIs, too. Plus, I am squicked out by the idea of women as a commodity, which is the case in the sex trade, even when legalized, because women in sex work far outnumber men, and that bothers me. And that’s even supposing all men are commitment-phobes, and have to be tricked/forced/talked into doing these things to appease women. My boyfriend courted and dated me of his own volition. Invited me to live with him on his own initiative, because he wanted to be with me.

“I have also heard of studies that porn actually lowers rape crimes. If that is the case, one would think most feminists would be all for porn.”

I guess this is easy to believe if you accept the idea that men are insatiable beasts who are going to get off SOMEHOW, and they won’t rape if they get to jerk off to porn first. And if you accept that rape is even about sex and desire, when it is very clearly about power.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

The porn lowers rape thing has been debated a lot online. It is basically that rape has gone down over X period of time while internet use has gone up therefore, the rise in access to internet porn is reducing rape. And then the thing is, can you prove the correlation? Cuz lots of things have also happened while internet use has gone up and that doesn’t mean it’s correlated. xD

It doesn’t mean I’m saying it’s not or it is, but it’s cited as fact a lot and I think it’s cuz ppl want to believe it b/c it makes so much sense in the way we “know” and “understand” what rape is about and what rape is..

FactFinder
9 years ago

Any thread of disdain for the female sex pales in comparison to the vitriol against anything too “icky” and penis-like that feminists like yourself perpetrate. That being said, the reciprocal anger shares more with class hatred towards the rulers than this anti-woman conspiracy like the simpleminded and easily manipulated believe.
Thank you for reading and may only the truth shine through.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Maybe if you wanted to put them off sex forever

Forever is a long time so I doubt it but they would prevent kids from rushing right into it and that helps prevent unwanted pregnancies and STI transmittal. I am okay with doing subtle discouragement of having sex until one is ready for it. Just telling kids to not have sex until they are married is 1. never going to work and 2. unfair because it says that all people have one path in life. But showing some old people who are flabby getting it on probably would have the same “do not have sex” message without just being told to not do something.

Brandon: Did you ever ask your girlfriends why they disliked it? Was it because they were insecure about how you felt about them? Or was it because they believe porn exploits people? Or was it because they then think you have unrealistic expectations of them?

Also, one of the better Penthouse letters I read had a guy chiding those men who go to hookers to have something done that their wives would never do. He said “who better then the woman you love to try out your fantasies, and if you cannot be that honest with her, why are you still together?” Or something like that.

Finally-last I checked, most prostitutes were women. Are you saying those women do not deserve to be courted, dated, married or otherwise treated the same as any other woman?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Factfinder, did you have a point somewhere in that nonsense you are spewing?

cynickal
cynickal
9 years ago
Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Factfinder – God, more elephant-hatred.

(I should explain, I guess. When you accuse someone of hating something that they not only don’t hate, but didn’t even mention, then fly into a rage about their hatred of this hypothetical topic, you might as well be accusing them of hating elephants.

Because we’ve said about as much bad about elephants as we have about penises.)

Plus, bet you won’t even cop to liking penises. I will; I love them! Now who’s the fan of men?

Molly Ren
9 years ago

@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

He thinks our problem is that we just hate dick. 😛

kristinmh
kristinmh
9 years ago

My friend Bonnie wrote a book called “Skin” – a love story between a dermatologist with a freakishly large penis and a porn star with exzema. http://www.anvilpress.com/Books/skin

It’s actually a very touching story.

And I, too, have never had one of those relationships where a guy pays for a bunch of shit. I do have one friend who did. She dated a successful businessman who liked taking her out for expensive dinners and shows, She was on unemployment at the time, so she accepted a lot of it, but insisted on paying her share whenever he would let her. They broke up because he went overseas on holiday without telling her and didn’t understand that she was kind of upset about it.

The moral: Men who want to pay for everything might just be generous guys, but they might also treat you like an expensive pet: fun to play with when it’s convenient, in the kennel and out of mind when it’s not.

speedlines
speedlines
9 years ago

“No, Marge, everything penis-shaped is bad.”

Trollin'MRAs
Trollin'MRAs
9 years ago

I’d say porn is creating insecurity among men too! Why else would there be so many dick-lengthening pill commercials on TV?

TRY EXTENZZ! WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE? YOUR PENIS IS SOOO TINY.

That said, ethically produced porn is great in moderation. But when you watch too much you start thinking crazy things, like that people should bleach their anuses.
It shows that MRAs don’t have any substance to their movement, as they’d rather watch porn all day and cuss out evil wimmins who won’t fuck them like porn stars.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Hating a penis seems kind of pointless-it is like hating a hand. Both can do damage but it is the mind behind the hand or penis that is actually doing the damage. The body part is just the instrument used.

Pecunium
9 years ago

FactFinder: Care to show the vitriol against anything “too penis-like”? Because from what I can see the women here like cock.

From my personal experience, feminists like cock.

What they don’t like is assholes.

Amused
Amused
9 years ago

Brandon: “I have had a few girlfriends that didn’t like me using porn. I believe it is because insecure women have a tendency to monopolize a man’s sexual outlets. Men like me, like variety. Insecure women see it as some sort of attack on them because their men are jacking off to porn. They want to be the only woman to make their man cum…when practically any woman is capable of doing it.”

No one likes being treated as disposable. Men, in my personal experience, don’t like it one bit. Do you? Well — I suppose if your girlfriend is someone you don’t give a shit about, you wouldn’t care what she thought of you. But let’s assume your girlfriend is someone you kind of like, maybe even sorta love, and care about. How would you feel if she said, “Brandon, I know you want to be the only man to make me cum … but the truth is, practically any man is capable of doing it. You are not unique and you are not special.” ? Would it not make you feel slighted, unloved and put upon? If your found your girlfriend masturbating to some guy on the cover of Men’s Health, would it not irk you, just a little bit? When your say your girlfriend is no different from any other woman because any woman can make you cum, what exactly is she supposed to feel secure about? Is she supposed to feel secure in her belief that she means something to you? Well, that you be delusional, because you just told her she means nothing.

Men like you don’t seem to get it — when your use of porn is a problem, it’s not about the porn. It’s about you rubbing your girlfriend’s face in it by telling her, among other things, that there is nothing about her that’s special (other than the cooking and the cleaning, which you appreciate). I’d venture a guess you wouldn’t like it if she did that to you. So here are two things for you to think about: (1) don’t expect anything of a girlfriend that you yourself aren’t willing to do for your partner; and (2) ask yourself very seriously why you have a girlfriend at all, if you are equally satisfied with hookers and two-dimensional images. Because if you are in it just for the domestic comforts, I think your girlfriend deserves to know that and then decide whether she’s “secure” enough to just take care of you and make the relationship about you and your wants and needs, exclusively.

captainbathrobe
9 years ago

I’m not seeing any penis hate here, nor on any of the feminist sites I frequent. There is, however, a huge amount of vagina hate in the manosphere. Guys, I don’t know about you, but I rather like vaginas. Just sayin’.

Johnny Pez
9 years ago

Cap’n B is right, as usual. “Radfems hate penes” is just projection.

Plymouth
Plymouth
9 years ago

I love cock! I actually even love assholes. The physical kind, not the metaphorical kind. And porn. I love porn. Though it bugs me that it’s so hard to find porn with pretty boys in it.

Fuck MRAs
Fuck MRAs
9 years ago

Personally, I’m simply not attracted to men who are into porn. Outside of whatever problematic issues are attached to its making. If other women are that’s fine, but I don’t see how it has to be a moral issue on this side of things.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

As for what magdelyn was saying there, so long ago … first off, it’s not like that’s the first time I’ve read a first-person story from someone involved in the sex industry. Some people get a lot out of it; some find it very damaging. Who do I believe? Both of them, actually — there’s room for all narratives. But I do admit that I come away from the conversation thinking that the fact that some people find the industry so damaging means that there’s a chance that some of the porn I’m likely to run across is likely to star people who have been treated badly by the industry, and that makes me unable to enjoy it. If that makes me a neo-Victorian, *shrug* sorry. I’ve been accused of worse — and frankly, fuck. I’m sick of pretending that abusing people is fine with me because to say otherwise means I’m uncool. Fuck that.

Also, California is not the only state in the only country in the world. There’s that too.

To change the subject slightly, did anyone read the article in the perpetually awful xojane, written by the woman who obsessively monitors her husband’s lube bottle? Maybe not directly relevant, but it’s kind of an interestingly weird story. Or, yanno, an infuriating and confusing one.

Fuck MRAs
Fuck MRAs
9 years ago

re: the lube bottle lady…YIKES!!

Something tells me there is a lot more wrong with that relationship than a constantly depleting bottle of astroglide.

Bex Whitt
Bex Whitt
9 years ago

As far as I am concerned women quite like the cock if yours does not you are doing something wrong

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
9 years ago

This article made me want to watch some porn and masturbate.

So I did.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I’ve used silicone lube to make rusty pliers work and also sometimes as a hair product. (It’s the same ingredients as “hair shine serum.”)

I would not like to be married to that lady.

Doctress Julia
9 years ago

Amused, YES. ALL THE THINGS YOU SAID.

I do not date men who use porn. NO exceptions. I am not interchangeable. I am a person.

Holly Pervocracy
Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Doctress Julia – Without questioning your choice, it’s funny that I use the opposite logic. I don’t mind if my boyfriend looks at porn, because I’m not interchangeable–so there’s no way he could replace me with pictures.

However, if he looked at porn and then said “ha ha, now I don’t have to be nice to you or take you on dates, because I can just look at porn instead!”, then we’d have to have a bit of a chat.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

yahuh California is the be all end all of like everything Bee! Cuz like it is awesome and when was the last time you heard something like Californication huh huh?!

Of course I am just kidding but California is teh Awesome though.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I’m a feminist and I swap porn with my partners sometimes. It’s convenient because it means I don’t have to look for my own porn, I can just be like “Sex Minions! Fetch me some hawtness!”

Also because now we have multiple people on the whole “happy kinky sex” hunt…

tofu nutloaf
tofu nutloaf
9 years ago

I don’t want to know what the pussy cartel people are actually having sex with. Clearly it’s not actual humans.