The Regender Challenge
The other day Darksidecat introduced me to what I now consider to be the Greatest Webpage Ever (this week): Regender, a handy tool that will take any web page and, well, regender it, turning male pronouns and references into female and vice versa. It even works with names.
Following Darksidecat’s lead, I have started plugging the writings of some of my favorite manosphere misogynists into the magical regendering machine. The results are, well, instructive. And frequently hilarious. As DSC noted, Roissy and MarkyMark are perfect for this sort of treatment. As is, I discovered, MarkyMark’s longtime pal Christopher in Oregon. Here’s what happens when Christopher of Oregon becomes Christine of Oregon with the help of regender, and all the horrible shit he wrote about women becomes the horrible shit she wrote about men:
Men are whores. They are far more likely to have STD’s than women. Be aware of this. Handle with extreme care. Men are filthy, and they will lie about their infections. Condoms will NOT protect you. …
Men are walking cesspools of filth! Most of them have or will have a permanent STD infection. It is unavoidable. These are FACTS, and not the rantings of an unstable misandrist.
(I’m a very STABLE misandrist, thank you kindly)
Men are DIRTY creatures, pure and simple. Be dignified, and don’t lower yourself to engaging in any filthy behavior with them. You WILL be infected with the diseases they are carrying. A moral, dignified woman does NOT rut like an animal with one of these creatures. Sexual intercourse and oral sex are filthy, disgusting activities, and ruin a woman morally. They spread disease.
Elevate yourself above such filth of the flesh. …
Do not lust after men in your mind. Masturbate only as a last result to relieve tension. Do not lust after men sexually. It weakens you.
Goddess made woman in Her image, and men was made in the image of Satan. Squeal all you want, but history proves me right. A man is a test; a stumbling block for woman. Our life is an adventure. A journey. A pursuit of our creator, and a pursuit of excellence in our personal lives. A man and his filth is part of the obstacle course set before us. If we are wise, and avoid them, we will grow stronger as a result. We will finish the race successfully.
Men was not put here to support us as such, and we will only grow stronger if we AVOID his snares. ..
Christine in Oregon
Woah. Critics of Man Boobz often say that feminists are “just as bad” as the guys I quote. Well, if they were, the posts on their blogs would look a lot like this regendered post. I ask all of you: have you ever seen something so grotesquely misandrist on any feminist web site? I thought not.
Here’s a challenge for all of you: See if you can come up with a regendered post that tops this one from “Christine in Oregon.” You can draw from old posts of mine, or go poking about in the manosphere yourself. Post your results in the thread below, along with a link to the regendered web page you got them from. I’ll highlight the best in a future post.
Posted on July 2, 2011, in men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, MGTOW paradox, misandry, misogyny, MRA, precious bodily fluids, sex. Bookmark the permalink. 1,138 Comments.
NWO: When men get pregnant, they can get an abortion.
Right now, they can’t get pregnant.
No problem.
Hey, NWO… why are you working against nature?
No regarding what is right or wrong, or regarding what should feel normal to people or regarding what the rights of people should be you cannot argue against nature, it’s impossible.
As I said again and again and again: What the rational argument that rape is a serious crime except “nature says it is”?
There is absolutely no rational argument, because if theres just psychological harm (no STDs, no unwanted pregnacy), which is subjective and difficult to measure, it should just be as serious as libel or defamation.
Look at Phoebe Prince she committed suicide because she was bullied to death. Can the psychological harm be any more serious? But still we don’t punish those bullies the same way we would punish rapists.
There is no rational argument. End of the story. Read “Is rape wrong on Andromeda?” by Michael Ruse, it will open your eyes.
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD?!? WE WERE HAVING FUN AND YOU RUINED OUR REGENDERING AWESOMENESS! AWS, THIS IS YOUR FAULT! THE SECRET LEGION OF MRAS IN THE ELITE BEHIND THE SCENES CONTROLLING THE GOVERNMENT SENT YOU, DIDN’T THEY? DIDN’T THEY?!?!?
Oh…we’ve calmed down now? Okay…
Wow, hellkell. 100% of the men hunting mamouth came from women. I’d like to be present when women gather the cosmic forces of the universe and create life from the dust of the earth.
It seems I underestimated the height of the pedestal you place women. I’m in the presense of Gods. And here just the other day you said women weren’t perfect.
Well, NWO, if they’re in a mine working, they probably are miners. So fucking what?
The reason abortion is legal is that everyone has the right to control what goes on in their own bodies– including ending a pregnancy. If a man has the right to end a woman’s pregnancy, then she does NOT have the right to control what goes on in her own body, which is against the entire logic that allows abortions to be legal.
I do not want praise for being pregnant. Mostly because I’m not fucking pregnant and have no intentions of being so.
HOW THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU THINK CHILDREN ARE BORN, ASSCLOWN? THEY COME FROM WOMEN.
I was not talking some kind of spontaneous generation or whatever, you fatuous creep.
Did…did NWO just quote Animal Farm?
Oh boy.
@Pecunium
When women become pregnant by sheer willpower than they can have abortions.
@hellkell
Than children came from men and women.Not women alone, got it.
The reason abortion is legal is that everyone has the right to control what goes on in their own bodies–
Why can’t I consume drugs then?
Guys, NWO is a sad and lonely person, no doubt mourning the kids he never had or never knew. He is a true working class hero, and he deserves our sympathy and our respect.
Also, Marc, a lot of things are “natural”, but one has to understand that the very foundation of ethics, of individual rights, is based on empathy and on a desire to live one’s life without violence or unneeded pain.
In the end, it’s about leaving people the fuck alone when they want to be alone, and being with someone when there’s clear consent. It’s not just Femenism, it’s also Freedom of Association, something that you’re practicing right now yet criticize women when they practice it.
NWO: When you have a fetus in your guts, you can decide what to do with it.
Now… care to explain why they law says one thing, and you say it says another?
Care to explain why all those health risks are no worse than the common cold?
Care to stop lying?
I didn’t think so.
And NWO: Care to explain why you think killing people is more praiseworthy than having babies?
Don’t you remember, Pecunium: Being a man is SO HARD in every conceivable way, while being female is as easy as instant ramen, therefore everything a man does is more praiseworthy, simply because they’re the underdogs…or something.
Also, Marc, a lot of things are “natural”, but one has to understand that the very foundation of ethics, of individual rights, is based on empathy and on a desire to live one’s life without violence or unneeded pain.
No that can’t be.
Empathy = give all your money to the poor people in Africa.
unneeded pain = kill all the living beings on the planet, the pain will surely come to an end.
no violence = don’t defend innocent people with force.
ETHICS === NATURE!!!
In the end, it’s about leaving people the fuck alone when they want to be alone, and being with someone when there’s clear consent. It’s not just Femenism, it’s also Freedom of Association, something that you’re practicing right now yet criticize women when they practice it.
It’s not about if rape is somehow wrong. It’s more about the question if it should be a misdemeanor and punished by a fine or a suspended sentence like bullying, stalking, libel etc. than being a felony punishable by a lenghty prison sentence.
@Pecunium
Modern day “law” says that.
Modern day “law” says a man can be drafted to kill and die or go to jail.
Modern day “law” says lots of things that are detrimental to society.
Modern day “law” is not my moral guide. Is it yours?
@Pecunium
I’m against all wars, thats your State ethics you adhere to that dictates those deaths as well.
NWO: re. some animals … yes. Biology, it sucks. However, saying that a person has domain over their own body is an important legal theory. If you have something in your body that you want to have surgically removed, you can do that. If I have something in my body that I want to have surgically removed, I should have the same right. And while an embryo/fetus/clump of cells/tumor/fungus/whatever you wish to have removed may be alive, a person is someone who is able to survive outside of mommy’s body.
Marc: re. rational arguments against rape, see above. That a person has domain over hir body is a central, and very old, concept in law. So, A hitting B on the head with a stick is a crime and tort, and so is A hitting B in the vagina with a penis. Get it?
Guys, NWO is a sad and lonely person, no doubt mourning the kids he never had or never knew. He is a true working class hero, and he deserves our sympathy and our respect.
Be more funny please. Your comments are as boring as your avatar.
That should be: *with a penis, without consent. Get it?
I’m a married gal with a very small penis (4.5″ long x 4.325″ around erect). My husband of 20 years admits that it is really small and lied to me for years to spare my feelings. He says he was very disappointed when we first did it, and that all but one of the women she slept with prior to me was smaller – shorter but a lot thicker, he said. His honest opinion is that bigger is way better and that small ones are boring. Asked whether length or girth is more important, he says he prefers both long and thick. This all came out when I used a vibrator sleeve over my prick once when he was horny and drunk. The length of the realistic sleeve was 9.5 inches and the girth with my Diane inside was 6.75″. He turned into a wild man and came several times from just the “Diane,” which he never did with just me. He later said that he thought it was pathetic that I could fit my Diane inside of a dildo, but admitted that it was nice to finally be f- – – ed by a “real Diane” again. He also admitted that he’s a total size king and married me because he heard that gals with really small dicks make better wives, and they don’t cheat because they’re embarrassed about their lack of woman, even if they’re cheated on, which he has since we were first married. And yes, he said they were all way bigger and better at fu – – ing than me.
What are you bringing to the table, Marc?
Empathy = give all your money to the poor people in Africa.
unneeded pain = kill all the living beings on the planet, the pain will surely come to an end.
no violence = don’t defend innocent people with force.
ETHICS === NATURE!!!
Wow.
Wow. Way to miss the point.
Firstof all, empathy is not defined in just chairty, there is also nuance, from giving a homeless guy some change (because what am I going to do with that quarter, get my ass kicked on King of Fighters for the umptenth time?) to doing something for your sister on their birthday, to even seeking to do research on a subject like, for example, civil rightrs simply because you are passionate about it.
Your unneeded pain statement is a strawman, and you know. So is your no violence response.
So, if Nature is Ethics…how do you relate to people when you go to work? Heck, there is no workforce in the savannah, therefore I shouldn’t work either, simply because it’s nature.
Do you see how ridiculous that is?
@redlocker
Nothing a man does is praiseworthy. Only women matter. State law/MSM/Corporations all tell us so on a daily basis.
Sorry about the previous comment. Quote tag fail on my part.
Marc: re. rational arguments against rape, see above. That a person has domain over hir body is a central, and very old, concept in law. So, A hitting B on the head with a stick is a crime and tort, and so is A hitting B in the vagina with a penis. Get it?
No, I don’t get it. If you hit someone it causes physical damage. Remember: many people voluntarily have sex in their lives but few people want to get beaten.
And in the most but the very serious cases, beating someone is still punished less than rape, that didn’t even cause physical damage.
There are no rational arguments that rape is a serious crime punishable by a lengthy prison sentence, except “that’s just the way we feel, that’s nature”.
Be more precise Bee. An unborn person as no agency over their body. They have NO rights. Women dictate their right to life.
…Something occured to me…NWO, if you hate corporations so much…why are you working? Heck, in a few posts of yours, you seem to take pride in your work (if only to make comebacks against the EEEEEEEVIL LAZY FEMINAZIS AND THEIR MANGINA SHILLS, but whatever).
Isn’t that…hypocritical, to criticize corporations for supposedly supporting the femenist agenda, yet to do work for them?
NWO, Bee was precise, an unborn person has to be able to survive outside the woman’s body. A clump of cells is not a person.
@redlocker
I work so I can live. The problem is the corruption that is the feminist/communist influence.
Hey feminists. Here is what an organization championing men’s right says. What do you think?
Men arrested for domestic violence require an aggressive advocacy program to take up the cause of men who fight back. Today, increasing numbers of advocacy programs are using gender-neutral language to describe their services. When battered men are arrested, advocates are told they cannot advocate for these men because they are not victims but the offenders. In a culture where dominant understandings of equity and fairness rely on the denial of the reality of differences, the strategies we advocate will initially be perceived as unfair or as expressing a double standard. Men’s advocates will need to become sophisticated and adept at explaining the gendered nature of violence and the meaning of pursuing equality in social contexts where people are clearly not equal in power and social resources
It is important to resist seeing advocacy for men who use violence as an issue of bias or special treatment. It should be remembered that much of the battered men’s movement’s work has been to challenge the social sanctioning of female violence in the private sphere and to end the protections afforded such female privilege by the criminal justice system and other institutions. Every effort we have made has met with resistance and claims that we seek to establish a double standard. We have consistently fought against such efforts to obscure men’s realities. Battered men who use violence to protect themselves from brutal partners deserve no less from us.
Even in your dairy job there’s a feminist/communist influence?
Your unneeded pain statement is a strawman, and you know. So is your no violence response.
Not a strawman you just haven’t clarified your position (and you still didn’t do it now).
So, if Nature is Ethics…how do you relate to people when you go to work? Heck, there is no workforce in the savannah, therefore I shouldn’t work either, simply because it’s nature.
Why should that be an ethical question? If you are nice to your customers you don’t do that because of ethical reasons you just to sell more.
And who says there’s a moral obligation to go to work if you have enough money nobody is forcing you to work.
@hellkell
You’re a clump of cells. The only reason you can live now is you haven’t been killed by an accident/intentionally. That clump of cells you were before is no different. You weren’t killed intentionally is the only reason your here today.
However, saying that a person has domain over their own body is an important legal theory.
Is it ok to kill you siamnese twin? Or is that a separate body even if (s)he is connected to you?
You really don’t get it, do you? Well, we’ve been down this road before with you and it stops now.
Except for this: No, you’re a clump.
NWO: What Law. Cite it (And no, the nonsense about there are 600 million laws isn’t a citation. If you need an example I showed you how to do it. I used two, California Code of Evidence 1101 and the Federal Rules of Evidence 404 (b): You can do it).
As to wars, you were the one who said,
Men die are maimed from dangerous work/military to protect YOU in far greater numbers, (nearing 100% compared to women). Yet if I bring that up it’ll be met with mockery, not praise.
So you want men to be praised for killing people, QED. Even thought women dying to have babies is 100 percent; not one man has ever died from being pregnant.
Also… please show me where I said any of the things in this statement of yours: You simply “agree” that it’s okay dokey that , “women don’t need any corroboration of their claims, but men and boys are arrested based solely on even the far-fetched say-so of any woman or girl…eliminated the requirement of force…legally forbade naming rape accusers…lengthened and even eliminated statutes of limitations for rape, ect, ect, ect.”
Because I’ve not, and you are lying.
I’ve said that trials are needed, and facts presented, and on conviction, punishments handed out. I’ve said that the punishment for false accusation should be handed down when someone is convicted of it, and that when there is evidence of a false accusation that charges should be preferrred.
You want rape allegations to be different from all other crimes.
NWO, Bee was precise, an unborn person has to be able to survive outside the woman’s body. A clump of cells is not a person.
so the definition of “person” depends on the progress of medicine? Not long ago many unborn babies that can survive today couldn’t survive.
Of course hellkell. Quotas demand women are hired in equal numbers. In every dairy women are “in charge” of a dept. that didn’t exist years ago. The work in a “lab” so to speak. where they weigh the bottles/product to ensure each random bottle has the same amount. They also do manual labor. The unions lowered the standard of the amount of work needed to be completed to accomodate what a woman can lift/move about the buildings.
This of course added substantially to the cost of the product.
The bottle making facilities are the same way.
@Pecunium
Rape allegations are different from all other charges. All it takes is a womans word. No evidence is needed other than a woman speaking.
NWO: Rape allegations are different from all other charges. All it takes is a womans word. No evidence is needed other than a woman speaking.
Citation needed (as above, I cited the laws I referred to).
Why should I believe you? Just because you said it? Where is the evidence, other than NWO speaking?
Marc: I think you should be able to consume drugs! Don’t argue with the social libertarian. :P
Also, you have officially been ordered to listen to 24 hours of rape survivor testimony before you are allowed to comment on rape EVER AGAIN.
NWO: I praise all sorts of men! My boyfriend is a kind, attractive, intelligent man who treats me far better than I deserve. Joey Ramone is the best singer of all time and no one is allowed to question this. Neil Gaiman has written books that have changed my life. My father is a good man who has sacrificed a lot to do his best by his children. Obama is trying his hardest as president given all the problems he has and I think people don’t give him enough credit. My friend Harry loaned me the entire Dresden Files series once, which is the BEST THING EVER.
Marc, my postion is that compared to human interaction, Nature seems to be static. What I mean is: It doesn’t act based on anything. It just moves, with it’s own will. To act as nature does, however, in the realm of human interaction is ridiculous. With human interaction, there is context and nuance, both of which one has to be aware of or else other people’s lives could be violated. Ultimately, in using the volition of nature as the basis of your own morality, you ultimately suffer, too. No one will want to deal with someone who disregards morality simply because the African Savannah has no Constituion, because such a person could be murderer or just a plain jerkass.
Earlier, it seemed as though you were dismissing the whole issue of rape with an argument by nature. Is that what you’re saying, or is it something else?
@hellkell…Thats why you turn to the State as your deity. To ease anything you deem a burden. If that means another must forfeit it’s very existence, you’re good with that. The State will call it pro-choice to make it sound like a “right.” I mean they’re not going to call it the wholesale slaughter of the unborn. Your comfort/freedom of any discomfort is bought at the expense of another’s right to live.
NWO: Where is the law which says any accusation = conviction for rape?
So you want men to be praised for killing people, QED.
What about being praised to kill people to propagate womens rights like in Afghanistan?
Even thought women dying to have babies is 100 percent; not one man has ever died from being pregnant.
But now pregnancy is much more safer than going to war (even if you’re part of a powerful modern army).
Death from pregnancy complications (US) : 14.5 per 100,000
US military deaths in Afghanistan 2010: 680 per 100,000
In the good old times pregnancy was much, much more dangerous (but the wars were also much worse).
@Pecunium
Any woman can claim rape/sexual harrassment and a man will be arrested. There is no due process. Her word is the evidence. This is a fact.
If I said someone stole from me, there has to be something other than someones word in the way of evidence.
Please note that with my generalization, “Nature”, I mean the whole realm. Foxes move, eat and breed due to base instinct, with little awareness of anything else. Rain forests are full of species, and can be very dangerous, with every organism doing whatever it takes for their survival. Everything is about basic instinct. Earlier, I had taken your argument to mean that rape is just a basic instinct and that one should deal it, but it looks like that is not the case. If so, I’m sorry for misinterpretting your argument.
God, I feel stupid now.
Marc: I have to say, I kind of regret acknowledging you. It’s difficult to tell whether it’s a language issue with you, or just an utter lack of comprehension.
In any case, perhaps the “hitting you” example was not as exact an analogy as it might have been. Nonetheless, a person’s autonomy in their own property has long been acknowledged as important. Legally, perhaps a better analogy to help you understand the doctrine would be trespass. If you’re on my property without permission, even if you’re not doing anything particularly harmful, you’re there illegally. Now, you’d argue, but trespass is a misdemeanor; shouldn’t rape be a misdemeanor too? No, because rape can be distinguished from trespass in the following important way: It is a crime against a person’s body, not their property. And, I dunno if you really want to have a conversation with a bunch of people who have been raped about how not-at-all-harmful the experience was. I kind of assume people on the internet are jerking off all the time, so I’d rather not go into great detail. Let’s just say that I very personally identify with the idea that a person’s authority over their own body should be respected. If longer prison sentences for a fairly common crime that often goes unpunished is one way that society can support the notion that consent and autonomy matter and should be respected, I’m all for it.
Conjoined twins are separate individual people, FYI.
NWO: If you say something was stolen from you, the thing has to not be in your possession. If it turns out you gave it to someone as a gift, the accused will (ideally) not be convicted.
If you say you were raped, there must be evidence that sex occured. If it turns out that the sex was consensual, the accused will (ideally) not be convicted.
That men’s right organization I quoted above advocates violence and inequality!
Behind all the weird work acrobats, they are basically saying ‘women deserve to be battered’.
NWO: Any woman can claim rape/sexual harrassment and a man will be arrested. There is no due process. Her word is the evidence. This is a fact.
Show me the law. Not just NWO says so, the actual law which requires the police to make an arrest.
You know, the law you said exists.
And.. Modern day “law” says a man can be drafted to kill and die or go to jail. Not true. There has not been a draft in the US since 1972.
My moral compass is, as regards other people, the categorical imperatives of Immanuel Kant.
Look him up.
@Marc,
Be more funny please. Your comments are as boring as your avatar.
Sadly, this is the best I can do. :( I haven’t half the talent of other regular commenters here, yet they indulge me and encourage me all the same.
Yeah, I with Bee’s analogy on Rape. It’s to the point and very clear.
Marc: Your entire comment on war misses the point. NWO said (falsely) that we want women to be praised for being pregnant, but would mock soldiers.
I merely point out the people he thinks should be praised are being paid to kill people, and the women he is mocking are not.
Believe me, I know all about the way modern war works. I know about the higher likelihood of death, or injury, or permanent disability which comes of it.
But that’s not material. What’s material is that NWO is making an apples to kumquats comparison, in the middle of all his other lies.
@ozymandias42
Again nice try. If I’m accussed there is no doubt I will instantly lose my job. In the case of rape the “accusation” alone is horribly damaging. Even if proven innocent, it’s already too late. Everyone will remeber me as the “rapist” not the person who was cleared of rape.
I guess anonimity for the accused would have alleviated this problem, however your faction lobbied very effectively to shoot that down. So tell me who care about da menz? You pick and choose from every element of your faction while claiming innocense. Liar.
“Again nice try. If I’m accussed there is no doubt I will instantly lose my job. In the case of rape the “accusation” alone is horribly damaging. ”
Just look at the DSK case for proof of that.
My mistake, we haven’t calmed down at all.
Hey, Mr. Slave, Marc, and Luke, guess what? I had an abortion! Guess what else? I don’t regret it! Guess what else? My boyfriend agreed to it, hell, he drove me up there! Guess what else? If I hadn’t had it, I’d be nearly nine months pregnant right now! Guess what else? My boyfriend broke up with me last month! And guess what else? He indicated to me that if I hadn’t had the abortion, he still would have left! And guess what else? He said he still would have paid child support! But guess what else? I only make minimum wage! And guess what else? He only makes minimum on a part time job! So guess what else? If I hadn’t had the abortion, I’d be preparing to raise a child in poverty! And guess what else? At least I live in Canada because it would be even worse in the US! So fuck you.
When you know what it’s like to have a thing living inside you that’s taking your nutrients, making you sick, making you fatigued, making you weak, that you know you’ll only barely be able to support if you keep it, and you know that if you carried it to term, you couldn’t bare to give it up for adoption where it might never be adopted, then I’d be very interested to hear your opinions on abortion; I’m sure they’d be interesting. Furthermore, when that time comes, and you, as a male, are not allowed to have an abortion, but females are, then you can cry inequality. Till then, shut up. and watch the late great George Carlin’s thoughts on the matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XekUEXULMXg “If you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re pre-school, you’re fucked!”
There there, Captain Bathrobe. Consider the source.
Hey, Ion said Ami, kirbywarp, and I aren’t funny. We should all form a wackily humorless club of some kind. We shall call it Feminism.
Not that I think this should be a restriction, but I winder how NWO feels about abortions where the man agrees he doesn’t want to be a father.
Not every abortion is done behind a man’s back.
Bee,
I don’t understand what you just wrote, but somehow it offends me.
Can I join your club?
@Alex…Of course you don’t regret it. The State has absolved you of all guilt for your murder. Your deity is your moral guide in all things. You just have to lobby for anything you want to absolve yourself of any accountability. You further try to absolve yourself of the murder you’ve committed by saying BF left you and would have reguardless. Blah, blah, on and on it goes. Someone died for your comfort. Big Daddy is soo proud.
Tell me, if I give a woman some moontea or something that causes her to abort a “pregnancy” is it murder?
I’ve answered loads of questions today, answer mine.
Marc: I have to say, I kind of regret acknowledging you. It’s difficult to tell whether it’s a language issue with you, or just an utter lack of comprehension.
It’s just that I’m right and you’re wrong.
Nonetheless, a person’s autonomy in their own property has long been acknowledged as important. Legally, perhaps a better analogy to help you understand the doctrine would be trespass. If you’re on my property without permission, even if you’re not doing anything particularly harmful, you’re there illegally. Now, you’d argue, but trespass is a misdemeanor; shouldn’t rape be a misdemeanor too? No, because rape can be distinguished from trespass in the following important way: It is a crime against a person’s body, not their property.
So if a father forces his daughter to eat something, putting the spoon in her mouth, is that as bad as raping her?
No, so you see your concept of “crime against a person’s body” is just ridiculously wrong.
And, I dunno if you really want to have a conversation with a bunch of people who have been raped about how not-at-all-harmful the experience was.
That’s no valid argument. Phoebe Prince committed suicide because she was bullied! So it must have been a pretty harmful experience to her! And probably it would not be that nice to hear about all her pain. But still we don’t punish the bullies with a lengthy prison sentence.
And btw, what about raping an unconscious woman? There surely can’t be any traumatic experiences there but the rapist would still be punished far more than if he had beaten her.
Let’s just say that I very personally identify with the idea that a person’s authority over their own body should be respected. If longer prison sentences for a fairly common crime that often goes unpunished is one way that society can support the notion that consent and autonomy matter and should be respected, I’m all for it.
That can never be an argument. Punishment can only depend how serious the crime is.
For example: Breach of copyright laws is a very, very common crime. Every minute it’s done thousands of times. But you can’t punish someone who downloaded a copy of Batman by a lengthy prison sentence. That’s ridiculous.
I love how the woman’s desires don’t figure into NWOs calculations at all. It’s almost as if he thinks women should have no rights at all, or something.
Hey, guys, me and the dogs are back! Did I miss anything?
Lessee . . . troll, troll, troll, wow three different trolls on the same thread, and what a surprise, they’re all arguing in bad faith! I profess myself shocked.
NWOsilly, as long as you’re here, do you think the moon landings were real or faked?
But wait, there a feminist organization advocating the same thing…. What a coindicence!
women arrested for domestic violence require an aggressive advocacy program to take up the cause of women who fight back. Today, increasing numbers of advocacy programs are using gender-neutral language to describe their services. When battered women are arrested, advocates are told they cannot advocate for these women because they are not victims but the offenders. In a culture where dominant understandings of equity and fairness rely on the denial of the reality of differences, the strategies we advocate will initially be perceived as unfair or as expressing a double standard. Women’s advocates will need to become sophisticated and adept at explaining the gendered nature of violence and the meaning of pursuing equality in social contexts where people are clearly not equal in power and social resources
it is important to resist seeing advocacy for women who use violence as an issue of bias or special treatment. It should be remembered that much of the battered women’s movement’s work has been to challenge the social sanctioning of male violence in the private sphere and to end the protections afforded such male privilege by the criminal justice system and other institutions. Every effort we have made has met with resistance and claims that we seek to establish a double standard. We have consistently fought against such efforts to obscure women’s realities. Battered women who use violence to protect themselves from brutal partners deserve no less from us.
Well I’m be damned, here is a feminist organization advocating violence and inequality.
Men deserve to be beaten ?
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NWO, as long as the person in question has made a choice of their own, the termination of a fetus is not murder. If you force a woman to abort a pregnancy, then it is a crime.
And why did you put “pregnancy” in quotes. It’s not enough for you to dismiss the whole thing as something equivalent to a common cold, now you have to state it with sarcasm?