The Regender Challenge
The other day Darksidecat introduced me to what I now consider to be the Greatest Webpage Ever (this week): Regender, a handy tool that will take any web page and, well, regender it, turning male pronouns and references into female and vice versa. It even works with names.
Following Darksidecat’s lead, I have started plugging the writings of some of my favorite manosphere misogynists into the magical regendering machine. The results are, well, instructive. And frequently hilarious. As DSC noted, Roissy and MarkyMark are perfect for this sort of treatment. As is, I discovered, MarkyMark’s longtime pal Christopher in Oregon. Here’s what happens when Christopher of Oregon becomes Christine of Oregon with the help of regender, and all the horrible shit he wrote about women becomes the horrible shit she wrote about men:
Men are whores. They are far more likely to have STD’s than women. Be aware of this. Handle with extreme care. Men are filthy, and they will lie about their infections. Condoms will NOT protect you. …
Men are walking cesspools of filth! Most of them have or will have a permanent STD infection. It is unavoidable. These are FACTS, and not the rantings of an unstable misandrist.
(I’m a very STABLE misandrist, thank you kindly)
Men are DIRTY creatures, pure and simple. Be dignified, and don’t lower yourself to engaging in any filthy behavior with them. You WILL be infected with the diseases they are carrying. A moral, dignified woman does NOT rut like an animal with one of these creatures. Sexual intercourse and oral sex are filthy, disgusting activities, and ruin a woman morally. They spread disease.
Elevate yourself above such filth of the flesh. …
Do not lust after men in your mind. Masturbate only as a last result to relieve tension. Do not lust after men sexually. It weakens you.
Goddess made woman in Her image, and men was made in the image of Satan. Squeal all you want, but history proves me right. A man is a test; a stumbling block for woman. Our life is an adventure. A journey. A pursuit of our creator, and a pursuit of excellence in our personal lives. A man and his filth is part of the obstacle course set before us. If we are wise, and avoid them, we will grow stronger as a result. We will finish the race successfully.
Men was not put here to support us as such, and we will only grow stronger if we AVOID his snares. ..
Christine in Oregon
Woah. Critics of Man Boobz often say that feminists are “just as bad” as the guys I quote. Well, if they were, the posts on their blogs would look a lot like this regendered post. I ask all of you: have you ever seen something so grotesquely misandrist on any feminist web site? I thought not.
Here’s a challenge for all of you: See if you can come up with a regendered post that tops this one from “Christine in Oregon.” You can draw from old posts of mine, or go poking about in the manosphere yourself. Post your results in the thread below, along with a link to the regendered web page you got them from. I’ll highlight the best in a future post.
Posted on July 2, 2011, in men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, MGTOW paradox, misandry, misogyny, MRA, precious bodily fluids, sex. Bookmark the permalink. 1,138 Comments.
Ami: The BOOK! Awesome! I don’t think I know that book, though the editors’ name sounds familiar–will have to check it out, perhaps order for our library when the next budget gets approved (the way the Texas legislature is going, that may be in 2012, sigh). I am not in comics fandom but like reading meta on comics and gender and such!
1. BACON for breakfst was YUMMY!
2. Have now read the entire mumbledy hundred comments I missed by sleeping last night, and WOW. You all ROCK.
3. A+ to the lovely pervy kindergarten all caps orgy that pwned NWO — did you all notice in the excitement and in between nappy time that he actually changed his rhetoric slightly? It was bizarre. Small changes, still, but in his case, that’s huge.
4. Teacher Ami gets especial credit for her TEECHUR voice.
(p.s. Ami until you told me you were tall, I mentally pictures you as small and v. v. v. cuddly rowr)
5. This was one of the most entertaining threads EVAH.
@Pecunium, you say… “So long as they don’t go around making pronouncements about how the world ought to cater to those beliefs. If, and when (which is pretty damned often) I reserve the right to point and laugh.”
Feminists/women, in league with the State have already enshrined in law how the world ought to be. X marriage IS acceptable, X behavior IS acceptable. The MSM/corporations promote your agenda and endorse your “right” to point and laugh.
@Johnny Pez, you say… “- The right of fathers to avoid providing financial support for their children.”
Mothers get default custody, they can give children away for adoption, they can terminate a child. A childs state of custody hinges upon the mother’s choice.
“- The right of fathers to have unfettered access to their children, no matter how much of a threat they might pose to those children.”
Mothers have unfettered access, (custody) to children reguardless of being a threat.
“- The right of husbands to prevent their wives from divorcing them.”
Wives can divorce on a whim, they can commit adultery and will still “win” in court.
“- The right of ex-husbands to maintain control over their ex-wives.”
Wives control ex-husbands thru payments ordered by the State while providing nothing in return for the money garnished from them.
“- The right of men to prevent women from terminating pregnancies that they have donated sperm to.”
Women can terminate a mans child while donating nothing but an egg, if a man would terminate that same pregnancy it would be murder.
“- The right of men to rape women with impunity by creating an impossibly high burden of proof for rape victims who file charges against their attackers.”
Women can force themselves on a man/boy but the charge is merely sexual misconduct; they’ll serve no time. A womans word is all that is required as, “proof of rape.”
@theLaplaceDemon, you say… “But I have a really, really big problem with anyone trying to impose that on me.”
Yet you have no problem with women/feminists having already imposed a set of standards on me, backed by the State.
“If I have to choose between a modern-traditional marriage and a life of being single (including single parenthood, should I get to a place where I feel I have the sufficient energy and resources to be a mother).”
Your “choice,” is to deny a child their father backed by the State.
“Because I have no interest in a relationship with someone who just wants to sacrifice for me. I want a relationship that values equality and compromise. I want a partner who will take just as much time out of work as I do to raise our child.”
You want a “compromise” which is a sacrifice. What you’re asking for is a sacrifice which is dictated by your terms.
“Maybe feminism brainwashed all the ladies into thinking they want equality and autonomy. Or maybe most women actually want equality and autonomy.”
Men and women are not equal in ability, yet feminists/women have turned to the State to enforce equal ability laws. They have forced mandatory teaching of children that equality = equal ability. The autonomy/independence you claim to crave is obtained while wielding the guns of the State to force your dependence upon men while retaining a state of independence.
NWO –
“Yet you have no problem with women/feminists having already imposed a set of standards on me, backed by the State.”
Which are? Please be specific. We might not disagree as much as you think here.
“Your “choice,” is to deny a child their father backed by the State.”
Better than denying kids any parents at all. There are a lot of kids out there that need loving parents. Regardless of whether or not it’s better for a child to have two parents, you have to agree that one is better than none, no?
“You want a “compromise” which is a sacrifice. What you’re asking for is a sacrifice which is dictated by your terms.”
Can you be more specific in what you mean here? Do you mean that it’s wrong for me to expect my partner to take an equal amount of time off work to take care of our child as I do? If so, why?
“Men and women are not equal in ability,”
[citation needed]
“yet feminists/women have turned to the State to enforce equal ability laws. They have forced mandatory teaching of children that equality = equal ability.”
Individuals are not all equal. Equality means equal opportunities, not equal ability for any two given individuals. And equality of opportunity is tough to achieve. Whether or not the state has done a good job in promoting equality of opportunity is another discussion entirely.
“The autonomy/independence you claim to crave is obtained while wielding the guns of the State to force your dependence upon men while retaining a state of independence.”
I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say here. The state has forced me to be dependent on men while retaining a state of independence? Isn’t that a contradiction?
Though really, NWO, I’d love to hear you tell me how I, personally, am dependent on men?
Blah, blah, blah, feminism, the state, blah, blah, Rothchilds, Illuminati, blah, blah, my hard job, blah, hate in, hate out, blah.
Did I hit all the high notes?
Rather than rebut your claims one by one, Subby, I thought I’d just ask — you do realize that you only make yourself look stupid by misunderstanding the law (and biology! and facts!) so badly, don’t you? I know shame and humiliation (and lack of comprehension) is your “thing,” but listen. It really doesn’t have to be this way. Get yourself a dominatrix. Read a textbook about family law. Find a basic book about sexual reproduction so you can discover that mommies donate much more than an egg. (This book looks promising.) And … find out how rapes are prosecuted (if you want just kind of an easy, breezy look at it, I really recommend HBO’s documentary “Sex Crimes Unit.” In one scene, a prosecutor calls a rape victim to tell her that although the rape kit positively showed that the girl had been raped, the sample was aspermatic, and thus didn’t provide DNA evidence to link the suspect to the crime, so they would have to drop charges. Or fuck, pick up a newspaper. The New York cop who raped a drunk woman he brought home but was found not guilty despite her word — and a hell of a lot of evidence [including his own word] that he had had sex with a woman who was too drunk to consent.)
tl;dr Be less stupid.
Hellkell – you forgot the part where’s wrong if I expect the hypothetical father of our hypothetical child to take an equal amount of time off work to care for the kid…but in the case of a divorce, even if I was doing the majority of the hypothetical childcare, the state should make us have equal custody.
Other than that, spot on.
Also, NWO, just out of curiosity…why do you post here?
Developers!: I think you are making some conflations.
a recognition that gender heterogeneity as being perfectly normal and good Show me where the people here are saying the sexes are homogeneous? Show me where the people are saying they should be?
Perhaps people in this culture are more suited to their traditional roles? Perhaps that’s part of the reason they are, well, traditional?
Perhaps this admits that the roles are social constructs, and therefore neither immutable, nor intrinsically “good”, since good is a value judgement. As such they are only useful as models so long as the people who have to live in them are content to do so.
Moreover, there are lots of traditions which (from an ethical standpoint) aren’t “good” no matter how entrenched they may be in a culture. Take slavery (in all its guises, from the Hebraic form of transitional bondage [which wasn't quite as benign as it might at first appear with it's Sabbath year of release. The bondsman who couldn't afford to leave was pretty much stuck, "accepting" permanent slavery. The one who couldn't afford to buy his loved one's out of slavery was faced with either becoming a permanent slave, or leaving them to such a fate while walking away] to the Greek/Roman forms [captives of war were one sort, people who sold themselves for debt were another, and any paterfamilias could sell his family members into slavery, should he feel like it] to the chattel slavery of the US, with it’s requisite othering, and dehumanising, of blacks).
Slavery, from the record, is appallingly traditional. Doesn’t make it right. More to the point, slavery is incompatible with the basic principles of the US. So it’s one tradition in conflict with another.
I also think you are playing a bit fast and loose; trying to say that because traditionalists aren’t “hateful” of one sex or the other, that the roles they advocate become somehow neutral in effect (I also disagree with the “hateful” part. The references to “hamsters” and accusations of infantile behavior, and the misrepresentation of things like Slutwalks don’t lead me to think the people you recommended aren’t hateful. They may say what they hate is the effect, but the language they use is blanket. Gerep says that feminists “cheer” for women committing abortions. Yes, we mock, “MRAs”, as class, but we point to examples of group behavior when we do it. Otherwise the mockery is of specific people [e.g. Scott Adams] doing specific things).
I am quite in favor of marriage. I also know that Dalrock would say I am a threat to it, because I don’t think feminism infantilises women. I also don’t think the social roles we press on men “makes them adults”. I think that partners should work for each other’s benefits; if that means they sacrifice, then they do (be they male or female), but not because they are socially obliged, but rather because they think it in their best interest in the pursuit of their relationship.
I also think that blind sacrifice (by which I mean one-sided, as a function of role) is corrosive to healthy relationships. It breeds resentments. It leads to the idea of, “look at all I’ve done for ‘x’, which causes (often subconsciously) the idea that because of ‘x’ sacrifice, there is ‘y’ obligation. If the other partner doesn’t feel that obligation, things start to go bad.
So, I’m allowed to what whatever I want, so long as I don’t acctually get it?
No, you are allowed to want it. You are allowed to have it. You aren’t allowed to force it on others. If you advocate for that, I will mock you, and hold you up to ridicule, and work against you achieving your ends.
In this regard I am a Kantian. The Categorial Imperatives are:
1: Do not do that which you cannot extend to be a rule for everybody.
2: Do not treat people as means to an end.
In short, “You aren’t special”.
When someone tells me that there are, “proper” roles for one group of people which limit their freedoms and choices, it violates the first imperative; because they aren’t willing to accept those limits on themselves.
Which is my response to your comment, By spreading your ideas, you are actively attempting to change reality to suit your desires for what you see is a better world. I think that I’m doing the same.
I agree: we are pursuing what we see as the same thing. We happen to disagree on what that better world looks like. It doesn’t matter if there is no ill-will, nor hatred. That’s where the second imperative begins to function. In this example (Gerep and Dalrock) they are treating one group (women) as means to their ends. They want to make a world of socially mandated gender roles, because it makes them feel happier.
Not on.
As I said, if you can find someone who is happy living in a relationship with that sort of power dynamic, I wish you both the best of luck. But don’t try to make it the rule for everyone, unless you want me, and others, to argue against it, and (should it get ridiculous) to point and laugh.
hellkell, mostly. There is only one marriage allowed, the corporations want it that way, men are like Drone Bees, used and discarded…blah, blah blah.
Blyeahh.
here’s another interesting regender I discovered:
http://regender.com/swap/http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2008/04/16/porn-part-4-half-of-the-big-picture/
Developers! Like it or not, the feminists, the PUAs, the (misogynist) MRAs, and even the egalitarian ‘Men’s Rights Activists’ are all making it harder for me to find a partner “who meets your needs, and whose needs you meet as well”.
On one level I feel for you. This is, though it’s probably not going to sit well with you, a place where the patriarchy hurts men too, and I blame it.
Again, though, you are conflating some things. The MRAs are not making it harder for you to find a partner because of what they believe. When boiled down, past the hateful rhetoric, they are in agreement with the Dalrocks and the Gereps of the world. Women have their place, and that place is depending on a man.
They are pissed off that it’s not being enforced by society. They are really pissed off that, for them, it’s just getting worse.
The PUAs aren’t hurting you either. So long as you don’t emulate them, you aren’t going to be dealing with the poisoned well they have made. Most women, even those who (God forfend) have had the misfortune of being screwed by a Roissy, don’t hate men as a result.
So feminism is the only one which really seems to be causing you grief, and that greif is that feminism is undermining the need need for women to adopt/live in that role.
Which implies that they don’t really want it.
@theLaplaceDemon
Aside from the myriad of morality laws which dictate my actions and always favor women above men, I’ll go with UPS. Years ago the weight for a standard package was up to 75lbs. Women/feminists lobbied for the State to lower the weight so women could get these jobs. The State was happy to comply, (more power). The weight I believe for a standard package is now 40lbs. This cost is of course transferred to everyone, (more packaging, delivery fee’s, trucking, ect), all the way down to the common folk for all products. Women gainfully employed in delivery services has at least doubled the price of that service. Equality laws cost a fortune. These laws extend into every industry.
As far as child care goes, you act as if not only is it a difficult chore but it is completely unenjoyable as well. It’s neither. Nobody wants to work, other than as a possible hobby. As always feminists point to the glass ceiling, well those jobs are 1 in 10,000, the glass floor is where the vast majority of men reside. Women used to be the teachers, caregivers, ect. in the home. Now it’s State run. Perhaps you like the feminist, Swedish model. Those folks are lucky to keep 25% of their pay after taxes. Your love of State is communism.
The pointless excercise of me giving you links to differences in both mental and physical between men and women and have you discount them has grown thin. Look it up for yourself. You’ll notice at the end of every study it’ll always say this doesn’t mean men are “better” at anything. Which shows the all pervasiveness of political correctness, (a communist ideology) over science.
Equal ability is enforced by the State and touted as equal opportunity. Women/feminist lobbied for and have been given this entitlement in education, social, economic and political power over men.
Your dependence on men for one is “taxes” which benefit women over men. You like PP, AA, Title IX, Quota’s, ect, ect, ect. There are over 60 million “laws” all of which give you a leg up, privilege, entitlement. social supeirority, financial bennies, longer life, better medical, medical leave, guarunteed placement in employment, education, welfare, lower sentences for the same crime, if any punishment at all. On and on it goes in all realms of modern day society.
You claim women/feminists aren’t a monolithic block, yet women can and do use the perks gained by all members of your communist faction at any whim or fancy while claiming NAWALT or NAFALT.
NWO: Why must you lie?
Careers at UPSUPS is hiring individuals to work as Part-Time Air Drivers. This position is typically loading and unloading packages Tuesday through Friday and driving every Saturday morning. This is a physical, fast-paced, position that involves lifting, lowering and carrying packages that typically weigh 1 – 35 lbs. and may weigh up to 70 lbs. It requires excellent customer contact and driving skills, including the ability to operate a vehicle equipped with a standard (manual) transmission.
UPS is hiring individuals to work as temporary, seasonal Driver Helpers. This is a physical, fast-paced, outdoor position that involves continual lifting, lowering and carrying packages that typically weigh 25 – 35 lbs. and may weigh up to 70 lbs. It requires excellent customer contact skills and a lot of walking.
As far as child care goes, you act as if not only is it a difficult chore but it is completely unenjoyable as well.
You know this because you’ve got kids, right? You were the primary care provider for those kids (i.e. you were the one who dressed them, fed them, changed them, took them to school, and the park, and the pediatrician, and the dentist, and did the shopping while they tagged along. You cleaned up after them (and tried to teach them to clean up behind themselves as they went along), you showed them how to cook, and to do the dishes, to tie their shoes. You held them while they were puking, and swabbed then when they were feverish, etc.).
Oh, you don’t. Then speak not of what you know not.
Tell me what the laws say about marriage roles. How they make women superior to men. This pointing out how clueless (and full of false witness) you are is wearing thin.
NWO, I have to go to work now, so I’m not going to respond to you point-by-point just yet. But I want to quickly point out two things.
1. You are attributing beliefs and opinions to me that I never expressed. Pleased stop doing that.
2. Links are not a pointless exercise. I have never dismissed a link you have given me out of hand. The problem with the vast majority of gender difference studies is that they do not make any attempt to figure out why the difference is there. I have looked at many studies examining gender difference, and many have methodological flaws, or, as I said above, fail to explain whether or not the difference is somehow fundamental or a social phenomenon. Do you have any sources that account for this?
3. The UPS example is very interesting, and based only on your description I think I agree that the change shouldn’t have been made. However, given the way you have misused sources before, I don’t entirely trust you and would very much like to know where you got your information from.
Oh, crap. I knew I missed a few of them.
Thank you Pecunium, for the UPS stats, I was just about to call bullshit on NWO’s garbage.
Bee
Mommies contribute nothing extra to conception, (one cell apiece, biology). The harship of pregnancy. Would that be taking better care of youself. Oh horrors. Or perhaps it’s the way your treated with kid gloves by society. Another hardship. It’s a bilogical function. There is no concious effort involved. If there was, a woman would need to stay awake 24/7 to continue this concious effort.
My knowlege of “law” is apparently far superior than yours.
Heres a link to discount.
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/rape-laws-no-due-process
Heres an excerpt.
“Unlike any other criminal charge, including murder, assault, even planning the World Trade Center attacks, a rape trial in federal court and in various states allows evidence of the defendant’s commission of prior offenses (specifically, his prior offenses of sexual assault) to show that he has a propensity for committing the crime at issue”
So even a supposed “terrorist” is exempt from this prosecutorial misconduct that the common man is not exempt from when facing a womans word in the court of the State.
Re: UPS. Thanks Pecunium. NWO, wtf?
Subby: Do you have a link supporting the claims you’re making about the UPS thing? The only thing I can find is that UPS has a maximum weight of 150 pounds, and any package over 70 pounds is charged a special overlimits fee. Here is my source.
And I like to work, depending on what the work is. Hell, I’d much rather have one of my former jobs than care for a child (or children) full-time or around the clock. Of course, some women and men enjoy childcare, which is cool too. But to some people it would be less than enjoyable, despite your ass-plucked assertion otherwise.
@Pecunium
Those heavy packages cost extra to ship, when it used to be the standard. The max weight limit was lowered to accomodate women. The cost is transferred to you. Extra packaging for 35lbs, extra handling, extra, extra, extra across the board. Are you intentionally dense?
And yes I have taken care of children, and it’s fun as all get up.
Hey NWO slave. Have you considered the fact that you contribute greatly to the popularity, number of comments and entertainment of this biog?
There’s a huge difference between watching kids for an afternoon and caring for them day-in, day-out, 24/7 (including the middle of the night, when they often wake up crying). No one who has not had to do that should offer an opinion about how easy and fun it is to care for children. Kids are awesome, but being.a parent is hardest thing I’ve ever done. Work seems like a holiday by comparison.
@Captain Bathrobe
If being a parent is the hardest thing you’ve ever done than your life must have been a cakewalk.
Also, caring for one’s own kids is considerably more challenging than taking care of other people’s. My kids know my buttons and how to push them.
Have you ever been a parent, NWO?
So, pregnancy is … basically nothing, physically? Gee, Subby, do tell. A man donates a sperm. A woman donates an egg. Plus use of her body — but who cares about that. She’ll sometimes get a seat on a crowded bus for her efforts, and it’s not like she has to stay awake the whole nine months, right!
Listen, Subs. I am not someone who gives a whole bunch of shits about the magical wonder of bringing a life into the world. But it alarms me that you think that a man ejaculating and a woman with a growing embryo-fetus in her body for nine months are basically doing the exact same thing. Then again, you’re very stupid. I think we’ve covered that.
“My knowlege of “law” is apparently far superior than yours.”
Yeah … but no. Human-stupidity.com is not a binding or persuasive legal source. You do realize that, right, Subby?
I don’t really feel like doing any legal research right now, but here is a link to the FREs on the admissibility of character evidence in federal court. Now, you’ll notice that the FREs don’t differentiate between rape and anything else. In the notes, however, they do say that in many jurisdictions the accused can put up evidence as to the accuser’s character as a self-defense (i.e., it was consensual), and then the accuser may offer evidence to rebut that.
I’m also finding, on my quick google search that Texas recently passed a bill that allows but does not require a judge in a rape case to have the jury hear evidence as to the defendant’s background. I can do a better search if you remind me in a few days, Subby. Or you can link to a source that isn’t human-stupidity.com, if you want to be taken seriously.
“Heres a link to discount.”
Consider it discounted. Seriously, Subby?
“Those heavy packages cost extra to ship, when it used to be the standard.”
See my link above, Subsman. According to UPS itself, the extra fee starts at 70 pounds. Not 35.
Please don’t call NWO Slave subby. It’s an insult to submissives everywhere.
I know men are super burly Goliaths the bunch of them, but isn’t it possible that UPS was sick of having their workers of both sexes throw out their backs?
When I worked at an ambulance companies, the big tough guys were always the ones who got back injuries, far more often than the women and smaller/flabbier guys. They had more raw strength, but less appreciation of their own limits, and they ended up costing the company far more in worker’s comp.
Looky here. FedEx also charges extra for packages over 70 pounds. One to grow on!
*exploding rainbow fantasy*
(Shrug) I’ve been fortunate. Not wealthy, exactly, but never dirt poor. I have family who can help me when I need it, though that help is not unlimited. I was fortunate enough to get a decent education. I’m middle class, and struggling to stay that way.
Hey NWO, what do you think of the fact that there are women out there (like myself), who have zero desire to have children and are quite happy with that decision?
“Please don’t call NWO Slave subby. It’s an insult to submissives everywhere.”
I feel ya. I wasn’t the one who came up with that one, but it is an acknowledgment of NWOslave’s fetish life, which he frequently shares here and comes here to satisfy.
Unfortunately, every large and varied group is bound to have a few embarrassing members. But out of respect for sub culture at large, I’ll come up with something else for him.
NWO: I looked into working at UPS, back in 1987. The rules are now, what they were then.
Over 40 lbs, costs more (imagine that). You know why? Because 70 lb. packages are awkward. Because they tend to be non-square shapes. Because they take up more room than 40 lb. packages.
Have taken care of /= primary care provider.
You moronity about how pregnancy is, “just taking good care of yourself”… well you keep ignoring the links we provide (even though we follow yours), but because the ignorant, or foolish, might believe you, Pregnancy complications
Articles
7 pregnancy complications to watch out for
Black women and pregnancy: Fibroids
Black women and pregnancy: High blood pressure
Cervical insufficiency (incompetent cervix)
Chronic hypertension during pregnancy
Ectopic pregnancy
Excessive amniotic fluid (hydramnios or polyhydramnios)
False labor
Gestational diabetes
Gestational diabetes: Tips for making daily glucose tests easier
Gestational hypertension (pregnancy-induced hypertension)
Intrauterine growth restriction (IUGR)
Iron-deficiency anemia in pregnancy
Living with gestational diabetes
Low amniotic fluid (oligohydramnios)
March of Dimes
Placenta previa
Placental abruption
Preeclampsia
Preterm labor and birth
Yeah… just taking care of yourself.
Now… about that stuff from Human Stupidty Blog (talk about truth in advertising), where you say rape charges are somehow special in allowing testimony about things which a defendant may have done in the past.
Lets look at the actual law.
Prior bad acts are sometimes allowed as evidence in a criminal case as proof of motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of mistake or accident. They are governed by federal and state evidence rules, which vary by state. Because of the potential for prejudice to the defendant, they must be substantially relevant for some purpose other than to point out the defendant’s criminal character and thus to show the probability that he acted in conformity therewith. Thererfore, the relevance and probative value of the evidence must be demonstrated.
So, it’s not just rape cases.
Let’s look into it a bit more.
California Evidence Code § 1101
So Calif. allows “prior bad acts” to be admitted, when they show “some fact” which is material to proving the “disposition to commit” a crime. Not limited to rape/sexual assault.
How about the Federal Courts?
Federal Rules of Evidence Rule 404 (b) Other crimes, wrongs, or acts
blockquote>Evidence of other crimes, wrongs, or acts is not admissible to prove the character of a person in order to show action in conformity therewith. It may, however, be admissible for other purposes, such as proof of motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of mistake or accident, provided that upon request by the accused, the prosecution in a criminal case shall provide reasonable notice in advance of trial, or during trial if the court excuses pretrial notice on good cause shown, of the general nature of any such evidence it intends to introduce at trial.
So, what does that mean?
United States v. Conner (No. 07-3527) (Kanne, J.) (seventh Circuit Cort of Appeals).
Nope, nothing in their which limits it to rape (this wasn’t a rape trial, and the courts upheld the conviction, based on “prior bad acts” testimony).
So… once again, you are wrong.
Sorry about the close-tag failure.
Really, calling NWO “subby” isn’t nearly as insulting as calling him “slave.”
I mean, this is a guy who (as far as I know) lives alone and is pretty much beholden to no one except for having to work at a decent-paying job which obviously gives him either unsupervised Internet access or plenty of free time. He enjoys freedom of speech, religion, association, and movement, and he’s free to quit his job. He’s unlikely to be abused or harassed at his job and he has legal recourse if he is.
And he calls himself “Slave.”
Real-life slavery still being a real thing in the world, that’s… that’s some chutzpah there.
@Bee
First off, 9 months of discomfort? Hell, Women wouldn’t even know they’re pregnant until quite some time after conception. If they “knew” by intuition there’d be no such thing as a pregnancy test.
And if women do face discomfort, so what? Did you ask for that discomfort? Do you willingly call discomfort forth from the cosmo’s? When you have a cold and feel discomfort, did you will that discomfort onto existence as well? When you stub your toe and it hurts like hell, did you ask for it? It’s a biological function, that’s all. Nothing extra is required. You can go about your business and oddly enough birth will happen. Whatever discomfort a woman feels is no different than the discomfort of a common cold. Reguardless of the amount of discomfort, both are simple biological functions. Do you need praise for fulfilling the biological discomfort of a common cold as well?
NWO – I think you need to shut your hole about “Whatever discomfort a woman feels is no different than the discomfort of a common cold” until you’ve taken 48 hours to shit a cantaloupe.
…then had the cantaloupe start crying at 3 AM and barf on you.
So, NWO, I’m guessing you have no kids that you know of. True or false?
Okay, I have to go to work (a woman! at work! for a private institution, at that! will wonders never cease!), but I want to say one last thing to [conspiracy theory][implication that having to contribute to society and your family is like slavery]:
NWO, is posting here part of your schedule?
Do you get off work, get on the computer, and every day go “well, better check up on those people I hate, to tell them I hate them some more! Maybe today will be the day they’re convinced of their inferiority”? Have you really made arguing that women suck part of your daily routine? Have dinner, brush teeth, tell women they suck? Nearly every day?
What’s that like?
@Holly Pervocracy
I have off two days in a row, a true rarity for me.
I guess I could quit and get welfare, oops, I’m not a woman.
I guess I could get a Guv quota job, hmm, not that either.
I guess I could get…… hmm again. Well since I’m a straight white man I guess my options are very limited. I’ll work till the day I die, (my retirement plan).
NWO: First off, I already said I’m not a person who fully buys into the pregnancy = most important, magical, praiseworthy thing evar thing that seems to be floating around out there. And there you go implying that that’s exactly what I said. Why am I surprised? I should be surprised if you started making sense. Anyway.
I also didn’t say anything about discomfort. I don’t know where that word got lodged in your peanut head, but it wasn’t from me.
Anyway, what’s really amusing about your “argument” is your insistence that two things that are biological functions must therefore have the same discomfort involved. Having a cold = pregnancy. So, I suppose, taking a shit = pancreatic cancer. It’s truly amazing.
Tell me how little pregnancy disturbs one’s life after you’ve been pregnant for nine months. I’ve never gotten pregnant, so I wouldn’t know and don’t feel qualified to say. I know it causes lots of other medical conditions, though. I hear it’s hell on the bladder. I’ve read it sometimes makes a person incredibly, life-threateningly nauseous. I imagine being sliced open and having a baby scooped out of your insides is not the most entertaining way to spend an afternoon — though is possibly the least painful way of getting the little guy out of there.
I don’t know. Some people like being pregnant. For some people it’s easier than for others. All I’m saying is that your contention that a man’s ejaculation is 100% equivalent contribution to a woman’s pregnancy is … well, so wrong that I can’t believe you’re trying to defend it.
@Holly Pervocracy
Actually, I’m just trying to hammer a few cracks in the pedastal that you, the State, the MSM/corporations place all women upon. I care so much for you and I’m afraid the pedastal has been built so high that oxygen depravation is a major concern.
Holly: He posts so many stupid things in so many places, too, for someone who works so incredibly hard. Maybe his overlords make him. I don’t know.
Oh, and I wasn’t trying to insult him by calling him Subby. It really was just an acknowledgment of what he appears to want. (And again, I didn’t come up with that one. I came up with Mr. Al, but I forget who started Subby.)
And you’re right. The idea that he’s a slave to the New World Order is — like so many things about him — completely laughable. He manufactures so much persecution. The mind boggles to think what would happen if he were truly oppressed in any way.
@Bee
Would you also like praise for shitting after being constipated for a few days? Why don’t you tell me which biological functions which cause you any displeasure or discomfort you wish to be praised for.
NWO: Actually, I’m just trying to hammer a few cracks in the pedastal that you, the State, the MSM/corporations place all women upon.
By Lying. I notice that (once again) I have followed your links, and answered your questions, but you ignore me.
Which is a lie by omission. You are pretending your previous lies weren’t displayed to the world. Very Christian of you, giving false testimony, by way of publicly bearing false witness.
“Would you also like praise for shitting after being constipated for a few days?”
Gee, you caught me. I want to be praised for shitting. Also, shitting = pregnancy. You would restrict women’s right to an abortion, because ejaculating into a vagina is hard labor, and that vile woman stole your spermal property, and also pregnancy is pretty much exactly the same as shitting. Glad you cleared all that up for us.
I admit it, I was the one who started calling him NWOsub, or Subbie for short, because, yeah, he seems to come here just to be dominated by us. And I agree with Holly that calling him Slavey is an insult to actual slaves. So . . .
How about if we start calling him NWOsilly? Because he is really very silly.
Slavey still hasn’t told me his thoughts on the child-free. Bad slave, very bad.
Which biological function would I like praise for? How about dealing with you, you dishonest motherfucker?*
*I know, not really a function, unless quelling stupidity induced rage counts.
Hey, NWOfuckwit, women can DIE from a pregnancy.
Hey, Ozy, did you know that 90% of men die from constipation?
Kinda gives a new meaning to the expression “ass-pull”, doesn’t it?
@Pecunium
You’ve answered no questions or have contributed anything of value. You simply “agree” that it’s okay dokey that , “women don’t need any corroboration of their claims, but men and boys are arrested based solely on even the far-fetched say-so of any woman or girl…eliminated the requirement of force…legally forbade naming rape accusers…lengthened and even eliminated statutes of limitations for rape, ect, ect, ect.”
This is all just fine be you.
How anyone in their right minds can’t see…
1) two 35 packages = more packaging
2) two 35 packages = more labeling
3) two 35 packages = more handling over and over
4) two 35 packages = more paperwork
5) two 35 packages = more storage
6) two 35 packages = more cost
7) two 35 packages = more employees
This “law” was enacted in the early 80s to accomodate women who wanted employment as delivery personel. Also a Guv agency, (more taxes) to enforce this policy. A Guv agency, (more taxes) to police and fine/shut down any who fail to meet the quota.
How anyone can see the massive cost transferred to the general population as being a “good” thing is beyond me. This “law” that supposedly benefits womens employment has effectively doubled the price of shipping. How can that be something good, when the general population pays double? Now extend these “equality laws” into every realm of employment. I fail to see the “good” that comes from every product being 4 or 5 times the price as opposed to a free market. Communism is expensive.
I strongly suspect that NWOSlave comes here whenever he feels the need to vent emotionally. Which is often, since everything about the world-as-he-percieves-it fills him with anger and resentment. And this is one of the few places on the net that hasn’t banned him in short order.
So we get to be his emotional punching bag to spew invective at.
I’d love to stay here and knock all you feminist women off your State-mandated pedestals, but I’ve got a couple of dogs to walk, which is very hard work and proof that being a white hetero cisdude makes me an oppressed minority.
*flounce*
Oh ozy… Men can die from drinking bad beer. A severe case of bloat/food poisoning and one can have a prolapsed colon and develop sepsis.
I mean, really, since it’s happened, a few times, it’s not as if a woman dying from pregnancy was all that bad. It’s not like men, who might be injured, or even killed, when a pipe comes loose from the pasteurising equipment in a dairy breaks loose.
Oh wait, that happens to women in dairy work too (true story, my former fiancée spent the evening of 11 Sep, 2001, in the hospital because we went to the dairy to milk the cows, and (after I got called into the Armory to make sure no one blew up Glendale, Calif.) a pipe came loose, and clubbed her to the ground when it smashed into her skull.
So maybe it’s not all the important. Could happen to anybody.
But pregnancy…it’s natural, so all that stuff I linked to, all the risks… unimportant… God meant it to be that way.
Just like unpasteurised milk is natural.
Hey, NWO… why are you working against nature?
@ozymandias42
Yes women can die from pregnancy. And you want praise for your risk.
Men die are maimed from dangerous work/military to protect YOU in far greater numbers, (nearing 100% compared to women). Yet if I bring that up it’ll be met with mockery, not praise. Probably ramble on about mamouth hunting. Right?
So if a womans life is at risk, or she feels discomfort praise must be heaped upon her. If a mans life is at risk or he feels discomfort mockery must be heaped upon him.
Doesn’t that sum up you pedestal nicely?
Regulations about the weight of packages = common ownership of the means of production, the end of wage labor and private property, and free access to the necessities of life from each according to his ability to each according to his need.
I’m learning so much!
NWO, I have objections to the lack of women in the military and the incredible sexism of the draft; I actually regard the high rate of men in every dangerous profession except prostitution to be one of the biggest masculist issues.
NWDipshit, 100% of those men off hunting mammoth came from women, so I would say pregnancy is still the greater risk.
NWO: You lie. I linked to a list of health problems and risk associated with pregnancy.
I listed actual laws on the admission of “prior bad acts” and cited court cases where non-rape cases were decided (with a guilty verdict; upheld on appeal) .
So, just what would you consider an answer? (BTW, why don’t you want to live in Iceland, the women are white, the age of consent is 15 and the divorce rate is 1.7 per 1,000?)?
Because you are 1: making shit up, 2: refusing to admit that people are responding to you (which false witness), and 3: lying about what was said, when you do deign to acknowledge a response.
I can only describe it as cowardly.
NWO: If you’ll remember, no one (here, anyway) has asked (seriously) for any praise for anything. Acknowledgment of the facts might be nice, but initially I believe you were saying that one sperm + one egg = men should have the right to allow or disallow a woman’s abortion, since the contributions were exactly the same.
I ask not for praise for any potential (unlikely) pregnanting I might do. I do, however, think that the fact that the egg + sperm combination is housed within the woman’s body makes for a powerful argument that she should get the deciding vote.
Hey, pulling shit out of your ass is FUN!
Just like pregnancy, hellkell.
Nice try ozymandias42, you want praise. Well you better damn well offer some. Don’t give me this against the draft bullshit. You garnish the bennies of your faction, reguardless if they’re so-cons, libs, radicals, ect. Then you pick and choose which delicious morsel to nibble on all the while claiming innocense. In the end, you’ve got all the power. Right? And you fucking love and you’ll use any portion of it at you whim. Liar.
NWO: You silly, ignorant ,twit: Women die in pregnancy to bring people into the world. You compare that to killing people, and say that it’s less important (or at least that killing people ought to be praised). You also lie about ozymandias, and Bee, and Holly, etc. wanting praise for it women getting pregnant.
They merely want you to stop lying about it being no worse than having the sniffles or passing a dry-lumpy turd.
No Bee, equality for abortion would be men could terminate the pregnancy.
Remember, it’s not a seperate life that’s being terminated it’s the prgnancy that’s being terminated.
Some animals on the farm are more equal than others.
You say pregnancy, he says papercut.
@hellkell
I say dead men in a mine, you say miners.
Where is spearhafoc when we need him?
NWO:
It’s not “garnish” in they way you use it.
Even the fourth verb, or third noun don’t apply, since you say they are exploiting the law.
English, it’s not that hard, when you don’t understand a word (like honesty), you look it up.