Oy. Scott Adams won’t shut up about that execrable “Pegs and Hoies” piece of his that I (and quite a few other people on the internets) wrote about the other day. Naturally, he’s being willfully obtuse about the reaction his piece caused, and blames it all on the “low reading comprehension” of everyone in the world who is not him and/or one of his sycophantic fans. So he’s decided to interview a number of those who wrote about it. (Not including me. Aww, Scott, but we had such good times together!)
So far he’s interviewed Mary Elizabeth Williams of Salon (a great writer and lovely person, by the way) and Irin Carmon of Jezebel. Naturally, the interviewees offer cogent explanations of just what was wrong with his idiotic post, and he responds by completely and utterly missing the point. (Or pretending to; it’s always hard to tell with Scott.)
Scott Adams is so relentlessly irritating – he’s a bit like Eoghan in his stubborn refusal to get the point – that I can’t bring myself to write any more about this idiotic manufactured controversy. So you’ll have to go check out the posts yourself.
EDITED TO ADD: Adams has put up yet another post on the subject, entitled “Maybe it’s me?” in which he decides ” to take a step back and seriously consider the hypothesis that the reason people disagree with me is that I’m an idiot and I don’t realize it.” Scott, your hypothesis is correct.
EDITED TO ADD AGAIN: And … Mr. Adams has now made a personal appearance in the comments below. Be gentle!
Given Adams’ intense narcissism, I can’t help but get the song “Biggest Fan” by the Martini Brothers stuck in my head every time I read any of this posts. Listen a bit, and you’ll see why.
Er, I was speaking to Ami in regards to the Scott Adams card.
Holly, I get that you don’t like me. You can consider that fact established from here on out. However, please stop implying that I’m an MRA or a mole or whatever other stupid thing you think I am, because I’m not.
@AbominableSnowPickle:
*picks up jug, places nozzle in ear*
*tips sideways, tips back*
*shakes head, sloshes mind-bleach around*
Ahhhh… much better. And it looks like it didn’t do any psychological damage at all! looks like it didn’t do any pyschological damage at all! damage at all!
Ami – I love (or hate) how you designed the card to go away for a bit after getting smacked down, but just keep popping back up like a bad penny.
It’s very… representational.
Refusing to debate someone who enters the debate in bad faith with condescending questions would ADD to someone credibility in my eyes.
@Fuck MRAs:
So.. Let me get one thing straight. These women are less feminist than they once were because they entered a “debate” where they tried to explain exactly what was wrong with someone they disagreed with? Is dialog between opposing sides not “credible” anymore?
fMRAs – It’s just unreasonably pissy to say that someone is wrong to argue with a major public figure (well, a public figure, anyway) who’s saying things harmful to both women and men. There was a chance Scott Adams could have learned from the “interviews,” and there’s still a chance his readers might.
Plus I’m just ticked that of all the douchery on Scott Adam’s part, you chose to go after the people trying to argue against this douche.
No, I don’t really think you’re a mole, I just think you’re… kind of a jerk. Yesterday you called a suicide “kindling” (and got us in trouble with the MRAs for that, although probably they weren’t arguing in good faith), and today you’re going after the wrong side entirely.
@Kirby/Apricot: Don’t forget to drain it out via your other ear, nothing worse than stale mind-bleach! Besides, you don’t really need that short-term memory anyway^.^
I was going to make a skipping record joke, but I’m not quite sure it would’ve worked. I listen to records, but I’m not really an oldster (I’m 26, which is older than I’ve ever been!)…the music I listen to is old though^.^
woah woah woah…
I NEVER said it made them less feminist. NEVER. So I think it is pretty dishonest to even imply that.
And Holly, I have commented against that douchebag on multiple occasions and in multiple places. Just because I didn’t do it this time doesn’t mean I don’t have plenty of ammo for Scott Adams.
The original Scott Adams post made me think:
“Everyone’s a little bit rapist sometimes/doesn’t mean they go around committing sex crimes…”
@Fuck MRAs:
I don’t know what else you would mean by “losing credibility,” exactly, so forgive the leap in logic. As Holly said, though, even if you have railed against Scott in other places, it doesn’t mean you aren’t going after the wrong side.
@Katz: Thank you, now that song is stuck in my head and I’ll be spending the rest of the night rewriting the lyrics to fit that line^.^ Obsessively. And I’ll be giggling like a 13-year old boy the whole time!
FMRAs – I actually think that engaging in the conversation really demonstrated what was wrong with Scott Adams’ thinking, and he dug himself an even deeper hole that he can’t get out of. I *might* be able to let go of the original posts he made, but his responses to criticism have been illuminating to say the least. I do not think it damages anyone’s credibility but Scott Adams’.
Refusing to debate someone who enters the debate in bad faith with condescending questions would ADD to someone credibility in my eyes.
As it should for any reasonable person; a simple “This argument is made in bad faith and you’re just going to dismiss any response I give you” or the like would suffice.
But the internet, and for that matter the population as a whole, is not populated with reasonable people. So sometimes it’s best to respond to people even though they’re way below your level.
Basically I meant that it would make me look at their writing in a less serious light, because I take this kind of thing very seriously and would never enter into this type of debate with someone like Scott Adams. I feel very strongly that there is nothing to be gained from it. The only kind of attention it needs is the kind it gets here, and that’s one of the reasons I enjoy Manboobz.
I almost feel the need to sign off every post with “and this is just my opinion!” but at this point I figure y’all are gonna take it how you’re gonna take it, so there it is.
@Spearhafoc
MRAL: FUCK YOU IT IS PERFECTLY OKAY TO SAY IT’S! IN FACT THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ITS IT SHOULD BE IT’S!!!
NWO: Oh how typical of feminists. The grammar Nazi is back, that’s all you feminists do, mock and check grammar. Hatred in, hatred out.
David K. Meller: Not so! Indeed, it is a feminist creation to remove the apostrophe, the noble mark that men have slaved and bled and died to create, in order to diminish the indisputable and awe-inspiring creations of the male human! Of course, in the USSA, it is blasphemy to suggest such a thing, lest your children be removed from you by female social workers who are no more intelligent, developed or mature as the children themselves!
Eoghan: Why are you picking on the grammar of people who are obviously English class abuse victims? How can you keep on subscribing to the feminist state lie that women are not the primary abusers of children!?
Ion: Isn’t it just possible that the ‘ was put there on purpose? You grammarists are the same as the txtspeakers!
Marc: I’m just trying to help you realize that correcting people’s grammar on this site is not the best use of your time. It is really disappointing to me that there are so many better, more worthwhile writers on line whose grammar you could be correcting! I keep trying to get through to you, but I realize you’re all beyond help.
TitForTat: Isn’t it interesting that you pick on my grammar when there are so many MRAs who do not make grammar mistakes? I just think it’s fascinating the double standard you have for women who make grammatical errors and men who do.
Me: Thanks Spearhafoc! I didn’t catch that (and originally, he was an actual person not a ship) I’ll fix it and reupload it!
Ami wins again!
The rest of us: XD
hellkell and Lyn: You should totally watch it! I think it has a few problems (I wish they had shown more on acquaintance rape), but it’s a really interesting look at the history, and behind the scenes at the DA’s office, especially. I’m watching it for the second time right now, just in case I missed something the first time.
Victoria: What a horrifying story. I mean, I live in, y’know, kind of a muted state of awareness where I realize that rape exists, and it could happen to me (again), but it’s absolutely mind blowing that for some people it’s really a constant reality that someone’s gonna rape you, and it’s like, nothing to anyone.
@Fuck MRAs:
Well, I disagree. I respect people who enter into these types of debates, again after seeing the same sort of thing happen in Creationism/Evolution debates. The other side can be manipulative, dishonest, and outright liars, and I still see benefit in confronting them.
However, there is a very big difference between confronting and giving attention to. Take Ray Comfort, who has been begging for a debate with Richard Dawkins for time immemorial. He has been shot down at every step, yet he keeps going. He is no longer worth debating. Scott Adams’s nonsense is realatively recent, and relatively obscure (I don’t know how many people are paying attention to it). The more attention he gets at this point, the better it would be for feminists and the worse it would be for him. As soon as he becomes the joke, the guy who will do or say anything to prove himself right, he is no longer worth debating.
Perhaps you think he’s already at this point. I think he’s still on his way.
@Spearhafoc (repeat cuz Kirby scrolled it off the screen xD )
MRAL: FUCK YOU IT IS PERFECTLY OKAY TO SAY IT’S! IN FACT THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ITS IT SHOULD BE IT’S!!!
NWO: Oh how typical of feminists. The grammar Nazi is back, that’s all you feminists do, mock and check grammar. Hatred in, hatred out.
David K. Meller: Not so! Indeed, it is a feminist creation to remove the apostrophe, the noble mark that men have slaved and bled and died to create, in order to diminish the indisputable and awe-inspiring creations of the male human! Of course, in the USSA, it is blasphemy to suggest such a thing, lest your children be removed from you by female social workers who are no more intelligent, developed or mature as the children themselves!
Eoghan: Why are you picking on the grammar of people who are obviously English class abuse victims? How can you keep on subscribing to the feminist state lie that women are not the primary abusers of children!?
Ion: Isn’t it just possible that the ‘ was put there on purpose? You grammarists are the same as the txtspeakers!
Marc: I’m just trying to help you realize that correcting people’s grammar on this site is not the best use of your time. It is really disappointing to me that there are so many better, more worthwhile writers on line whose grammar you could be correcting! I keep trying to get through to you, but I realize you’re all beyond help.
TitForTat: Isn’t it interesting that you pick on my grammar when there are so many MRAs who do not make grammar mistakes? I just think it’s fascinating the double standard you have for women who make grammatical errors and men who do.
Me: Thanks Spearhafoc! I didn’t catch that (and originally, he was an actual person not a ship) I’ll fix it and reupload it!
Fuckmra’s
Hello.
I don’t comment much but I do at least skim through the posts. You are a disgruntled man who has taken it upon himself to try to make the people who are regulars on this blog look bad.
It didn’t work, not one person agreed with you when you tried to egg people on to say that a man committing suicide was a good thing. After that you said you’d go away but you didn’t.
Do you really think anyone reading this doesn’t know your motive or know that you lack credibility?
Kirby, Scott Adams crossed the “do not engage” line with me as soon as he started comparing adult women to children and implying that the average woman’s mental capacity was on the level of a “retarded” person. (His words if I am remembering correctly.)
So no, I don’t see the value in engaging someone who thinks I am like a child or mentally disabled person simply because I have xx chromosomes. Not. at. all.
@Ami – lol!! Also, very accurate…
Also, re: HBO documentary – here is an interview with the woman who made it.
http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/sex-crimes-unit/index.html#/documentaries/sex-crimes-unit/interview/lisa-jackson.html
I’m about to watch now.