How the Other Half Lives, according to dudes who have no fucking idea how the other half lives
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It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.
Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.
Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:
The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:
Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.
[citation needed]
Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.
[citation needed]
Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.
[citation needed]
Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.
[citation needed]
And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.
Anyway, back to the sermon:
The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.
Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.
Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.
Posted on June 21, 2011, in alpha males, bad boys, beta males, evil women, kitties, marriage strike, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 902 Comments.
@MRAL: Except you were advocating it and you still are. By saying “I’m not actually advocating flying over Mecca and nuking it right no[w]” you are suggesting that this would be a good idea at some point in the future.
FYI, the extremist Muslim groups labeled as terrorists in this country make up less than 1% of all Muslims in the world. Despite what you may think there are many other non-Islamic terrorist groups that are just as dangerous . Try googling the ETA, the IRA, or the Tamil Tigers. When America began it’s “War on Terror” our government began to demonize one specific racial and religious group. I figured this out when I was 12. Seems likely that you should be able to do some thinking about this too.
i think i’m Doing It Wrong…
i got married at 17, divorced at 19, didn’t do ANYTHING for a few years, THEN had a hedonistc 4 – and by the time i was 27, was in a long-term monogomous relationship with the coolest, nicest guy ever [sorry David!] he’s not an “alpha” – “alphas” tend to piss me off.
re: terrorists and “the war on terror [of some people]” – why are USian terrorists ignored? there are more USian terrorists than there are Muslim terrorists – at least, it seems that way. anyone remember OKC bombing? i cried for -days-
but lets all be afraid of Muslims, because they dress differently and talk different and worship in a “weird” way… [hey, at least they don't practice ritual cannibalism!]
The correct term is “American”, not “USian”. Thanks.
Actually, many people object to using the term “American” to describe a citizen of the United States. They point out that “American” could refer to an inhabitant of either North or South America. Using it to refer exclusively to citizens of the US sort of erases the rest of the hemisphere. Hence “USian.”
No comment about your idiotic and violent bigotry, MRAL?
Actually (from what I can tell, and why MRAL’s responses to you guys seem to be “what are you talking about? I’m not advocating genocide!” xD ) I think what he’s saying is we should evacuate Mecca, blow it up, then ban Islam in ALL countries all over the world, and thus with no holy place, and not allowed to believe their religion, every Muslim in the world will just stop. xD (he doesn’t go into how to enforce this law, and apparently ppl won’t be angry you just blew up a holy place and created a thought police law -_-;;) But I dun think he actually thinks that nebody will rly suffer for it, and there won’t have to be ppl rounding up other ppl who are “caught” reading a Qu’ran or publishing one (presumably he’d ban the publication of any Islamic books, holy or otherwise, too) and etc etc >_<;; If nething this will make the problem he so fears, WORSE.
At least that's as far as I can figure, as usual whenever he says something rly controversial, he never elaborates/articulates on what he means xD
Actually, many people object to using the term “American” to describe a citizen of the United States. They point out that “American” could refer to an inhabitant of either North or South America. Using it to refer exclusively to citizens of the US sort of erases the rest of the hemisphere. Hence “USian.”
That’s stupid. North and South America are continents, not countries. We refer to people based on their country of origin. Hence, “Brazilian”, “Canadian”, “Mexican”, etc. None of those places have “America” in their name, so citizens are not referred to as “Americans”. The United States OF AMERICA, on the other had, has the word “America” in it, so we are referring to “Americans” in that sense, not in the sense of claiming the entire continent. Plus, USian sounds fucking stupid. United Statesian? Fuck that.
Americans refer to themselves as “American”, thus it is polite to respect their wishes and not turn everything into a politically correct pissing contest.
Actually it’s the UNITED STATES of America xD
I live in America, and I don’t mind being a USian. I think it has that little bit of internet-lulz to sound nerd-funny.
We refer to people based on their country of origin. Hence, “Brazilian”, “Canadian”, “Mexican”, etc. None of those places have “America”
Really?
No one says, “European, nor Asian, nor Polynesian, nor….
No, you’re right, I’ve never seen that, except for wierdos.
Now, care to explain what you meant by, “Not blowing up Mecca now”, and outlawing Islam?
No one says, “European, nor Asian, nor Polynesian, nor….
Not when referring to a specific country. We don’t say “India of Asia” or “Britain of Europe”. That’s not part of the name. Since the US has “America” IN ITS NAME, that’s quite different. Dumbass.
Uh…
No. Because the issue is actually exactly the opposite of the one you are raising. The name of our country is, The United States of America.
Not “America”. Is a Brazilian an American? Is a Frenchman not a European? It’s a problem of overlapping membership.
All citizens of the US are americans, not all americans are citizens of the US.
Put it this way if the American continents were named Asia, it’d be the United States of Asia. xD
(not now obv, I meant before -_-)
For all the grief it gets, Wikipedia has a very good breakdown of the issue; especially the linguistic confusions caused by the attitude that, “America” = USA. The problem is extant in the English Speaking World, and even worse when one enters into non-English languages.
It’s further complicated by both regional usages and historical ones (e.g. “British North America” which was one thing in 1750, and quite a different one in 1850, and still different again in 1950 [by which point all of what is now Canada had become part of the Commonwealth, and Sovereignty had been granted).
So no, “America” isn’t clear, and appealing to “that’s what “we” want to be called isn’t a valid argument.
I was going to bring up British North America just now Pecunium! xD You saved me from having to do it :3
@MRAL and others:
I’ve actually thought about this exact thing before. It always struck me as odd that people of the US were “American” when of course Canadians, Brazilians, Mexicans, and so forth are all inhabitants of the Americas.
The name “American” is so ingrained in history at this point that I doubt it will change in any reasonable amount of time. But interesting that other people have thought the same thing. Sad that United States doesn’t really have a good “ian” to it… Perhaps its just because of lack of use…
That’s it. It’s USian for me as well. ^__^ Now, does one pronounce it “uh-sian” or “you-ess-ian?”
Or Uh shun or You shun (like Asian)
xD
BTW, MRAL: Is there some actual purpose to your being casually rude to me?
I mean, if it makes you feel better, fine, but it makes me less likely to think you are actually pondering your replies. Done often enough it is likely to make me more likely to be less polite to you.
It’s not as if I’ve not been called names; in print, on the net, and in person. I’ve had drill sergeants cussing me out. I’ve had interrogation instructors trying to put me off-balance. I’ve have people shouting with so much rage they were foaming at the mouths and flecks of spittle were flying through the air.
I’ve been called a liar, a phony, a hypocrite. I’ve been abused for the content of things I’ve said.
So, all in all, if you want to be rude to me, please do yourself the favor of being creative. Vent your spleen in some clever and novel way. Not only will it feel better than calling me a Dumbass (or tossing off a “FUCK YOU” as you did the last time), but it will serve you well later, when you are in need of a cutting remark, or witty comeback in a circumstance where simple profanity is ill-advised.
Not only that, but a deft use of the mocking insult, or the left-handed put-down is more likely to distract someone from the content of your argument and let a weakly structured slip past; because they are on the back foot from the needling barb you slipped past their defenses.
BTW, I notice you’ve still not explained the mechanism you prefer for suppressing Islam.
I am never going to refer to Americans as “USian”. It’s juvenile, it’s stupid, I’m pretty sure it’s grammatically incorrect and honestly it sounds kind of derogatory. It’s unfortunate that the US has “America” in its name but it does and that it what we are referring to. Because other countries are NOT American countries. They are North American or South American countries. There is no place named America.
I was rude because I’ve heard that non-issue before and I absolutely despise it. It’s the pinnacle of political correctness done at the expense of Americans.
So you were rude b/c of something Pecunium has no control over (you hearing it before from other ppl?) xD
You got it.
If there is no place named America, then how can there be North and South parts of it?
@MRAL:
Good point of course. Obviously there is no Europe, there’s only an Eastern Europe and a Western Europe. There’s no Africa either, just a North Africa and South Africa (and I think Central Africa as well).
Africa is a continent. Asia is a continent. Europe is a continent. “America” is not a continent. There is no entity called “America”.
Get the picture?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas xD
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/america
xD
Well Ami, there’s North and South Dakota, but no Dakota. There is precedence for this phenomenon.
@MRAL:
Only by name and by convention. But of course its all by name and by convention, why treat it as if its some objectively determined system? Some people would argue for a single Eurasia contentent, because Europe and Asia aren’t actually separate.
Places change names, MRAL, why are you so doggedly insistant that the system you know is the only correct one? I’ll bet you think Pluto is actually a planet, and its stupid that those scientists all of a sudden decided it wasn’t.
You should write in and complain.
http://www.ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas
even your gov disagrees w/ you xD (and I know he’s gonna say NO THAT’S AMERICAS WITH AN S xD except if North America and South America were separate proper nouns (and not delineations of America) then you couldn’t say “AmericaS” you’d have to say “North America and South America” there’s even a central America! (gasp!)
1. In other words, a shorthand name (a nickname) for either North or South America.
2. “The Americas”, is not “America”. Notice how they must refer to it in the plural, because there is no America.
xD
MRAL, North America and South America are continents. Get the picture?
@MRAL:
If there is no America, then the United States of America doesn’t exist, does it?
Marc’s Ghost: I’m a queer woman, so I know about discrimination against GLBT people too–so you admit that homophobia is discrimination that is real because you’ve experienced it. Why not exist that misogyny is real too? And that racism is real? If by ‘western women’ you include women of color, lesbian, bisexual, asexual, transgender women, poor women, disabled women, then you’re way over generalizing. But most people don’t when they talk about western women. I agree that white, cis, middle-class, straight women in industrialized nationals generally have benefitted from many of the social and cultural changes of the last century, but even then, compared to white, cis, middle-class, straight men (AS A GROUP) they are relatively disprivileged.
And I’ve seen nothing in the MRA rhetoric to imply that the group is NOT racist, or is NOT homophobic, or is not ableist as well.
I don’t know what you’re talking about in that last post, Ami. “The Americas” refers to a collection of entities that have “America” in their name. That’s it.
Oh for an edit button… Curse you ideas that come exactly when I hit post…
We really should start calling it the United States of North America
@kirby, “The United States of America”, is not “America”. There is no America. We call citizens of the US Americans because it fits. What else will we call them? Something fucking stupid like “USian”?
Continents of America Playmat (Diam 88cm)
http://www.adventures.is/Iceland/Snorkeling
“Our snorkeling tours are operated in the world famous Silfra, a narrow canyon in the lava field located between the continents of America and Europe. ”
http://www.hawaiianeateries.com/index2.html
“Born on the open ocean the story of the KON-TIKI is a mythical search for a link between the continents of America and the Polynesian world. ”
and on and on and on xD
there’s a LOOOOT of ppl out there you have to yell at xD
“MRAL, North America and South America are continents. Get the picture?”
Your point?
@MRAL:
You missed my point entirely. If there is no America, then there is no America to be the United States of. We really should be called the United States of North America, if places were to be renamed to be accurate.
So basically his problem is “this is not what I’m used to so it’s wrong and sounds stupid”? xD I bet he got angry when they demoted Pluto as a planet too xD
@Ami:
Great minds, eh?
“Places change names, MRAL, why are you so doggedly insistant that the system you know is the only correct one? I’ll bet you think Pluto is actually a planet, and its stupid that those scientists all of a sudden decided it wasn’t.” – earlier
Kirby, you’re right. It’s a misnomer. So?
My point is that you are totally and blatantly wrong when you said above that America is not a continent. It is in fact a super continent split into smaller continents of North, South, and Central America. Hence: *gasp!* America is an actual name of a place that exists!
@MRAL:
So if we were actually called the United States of North America, all of a sudden your argument becomes “we should be called North Americans” which you’ve already realized is faulty. Ami’s pointed out a number of places where North and South America are collectively “America” so you can’t call us Americans either, for the same reason.
So you’re stuck with something silly like USians. :P (though even that might be confusing, given that there are a lot of United States of Xs out there).
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=1594
” This morning’s press carries a story of a conspiracy in Mexico directed by Nazi influences. No “new world order” shall, by the sword of conquest, be established in the continents of America.”
That’s even from a US Senator xD
Also MRAL I find it amusing that you will argue what amounts to 7th grade geography but you won’t address your comments about Mecca and Islam.
It is in fact a super continent split into smaller continents of North, South, and Central America.
No it’s not. Show me where this is recognized. This is why we refer to “the Americas” which encompass many smaller entities.
If we were called the US of North America, you’d have a point. I would advocate that we simply call ourselves “Americans”, like we do now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continents
Check the first paragraph.
That senator is wrong, and misspoke. Technically. I mean, in theory, who cares? It’s a very minute distinction. But in stupid politically correct debates like this, the distinctions become very important.
CONVENTIONALLY, they said. That is not the reality now. There are seven continents. America is not one of them.
Uh huh.. you’re a mind reader now? xD
At this point you’ve basically said “I’m right, EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG” and you only know this cuz it’s what you grew up “knowing” xD and when presented your knowledge was incomplete, you just refuse cuz it’s nto what you’re used to xD
EVERYBODY ELSE IS WRONG OR MISPOKE, they aren’t smart like you xD
Okay so North America and South America are proper nouns?
I call people from the USA “Americans” too. Yeah, it’s sort of an imperialist term, but then again so is “America,” given that it’s based on the name of a European cartographer.
Some Spanish and Portuguese speakers use the term norteamericano to refer to people from the US and Canada, even though Mexico and Central Americam countries are also North American.
More on terms used to describe us USians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norteamericano
This is so amusing xD It’s like arguing w/ ppl who can’t stand Pluto got it’s classification changed.. xD
How do you draw this conclusion Ami? I have the dictionary to back me up, which you have kindly linked to. I think we can refer to this before some offhand remarks by a Senator.
MRAL: You say that considering the 1: Feelings of a lot of people (more than inhabit the US) 2: Avoiding ambiguity, is “juvenile”.
Then you agree with Ami that you were rude to me, not because of anything I’d done, specifically, but because you think my repeating something other people have said, which you find… what.. wrong, silly, less than euphonious? justifies you calling me a dumbass?
Well…. why should anyone be well-mannered to anyone? Because really, I’ve heard the bigotted, inane, ignorant, and yes, “juvenile” claim that “Islam is a threat to all that’s good and fair and just” before.
Should I then take out any frustrations I have with those people on you? At what point does the past actions of other people attach to the present actions of someone? Why should I be polite to you when you say it?
How many generations have to go by before some previous insult to a group should be forgiven? Should the sack of Jerusalem be rememebered to this very day?
Should we tar say… you, for every offensive thing Meller has ever said which even vaguely hints at what you’ve said?
Moreover, to be consistent, that undercuts any claim you have to Dave being unfair when he (and we) mock someone for saying something stupid and misogynist, because other people have said it, so being an asshole to this person is (per the MRAL Doctrine), perfectly fair.
Or are you going to be inconsistent, and just make it up as you go along?
Or admit that, according to you, every bit of every mocking thing that gets said here is appropriate, because someone, somewhere, was wrong once.
I recommend you think, carefully, about your answer, as there may be secondary, and tertiary, consequences resultant from your position.
@ClioPersephone:
As an atheist myself, I would be glad if the “Dome of the Rock” didn’t exist, if that was what both the Islamic and Jewish faiths both claim as holy.. I by no means would want to bomb it though, that’s just stupid…
But why mecca? I mean… its basically Vatican City… Is it that Islam is a violent religion? I got news for you, MRALsy, they all are violent religions when they are in power (except Janism, I guess…), and they are all peaceful. It depends on the times and the people. But Islam as a whole is not violent, there is a particular subgroup that takes all the violent parts of the Qur’an and uses it as justification for violence. You aren’t gonna get rid of them by bombing their holy lands, if anything it’ll turn into all out war. (oh wait, that’s already happened… -__- )
He didn’t even rly read the dictionary definition did he? xD It doesn’t back you up xD
I think you need to prove that America refers to ONLY The United States at this point xD Cuz you’re just going “LALALALALALA” to everything else, incl the dictionary xD
MRAL convention is defined as a set of agreed upon criteria, norms etc. Some people will argue that continents are continuous land masses. But even under this classification America is recognized as a continent along with Afro-Eurasia, Antarctica, and Australia.
Pecunium, I kind of just don’t like you. You’ve yelled at me a lot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_(word)
he seems to believe the history of the word didn’t exist xD and that the United States of America, North America and South America were all separate proper names created independently xD
And as usual, he’s too stubborn to admit he’s wrong and just didn’t know everything there was to know xD
xD I did xD read the XDDDDDD dictionary definition and I responded xDDD to it xD above
XDDDDDDD
@MRAL:
If that’s the proper criteria for rudeness, then every single person on this forum is justified in calling you just about every name in the book. Jus saying.
MRAL, Pecunium’s been nicer to you here than ANYBODY, he’s shared his personal history w/ you so many times, he’s tried to take you under his wing, he seems to rly want to help you xD
if nething I’m the one you shoudl hate xD
XD
He’s losing it XDD I’m always amused how much I can get to ppl XD
Also I’m glad more and more ppl are using XD :D It’s the symbol of Ami! :3 <— that too XD <– and that ^-^ <— and that…is shared :D
i know, your response showed you didn’t read it XD (or at least you’re so stuck in what you NEED to believe you read what you wanted into it xD )
@Kirby he rly does believe that if you blew up Mecca and just banned Islam, ppl would just stop believing and life would be great XD