How the Other Half Lives, according to dudes who have no fucking idea how the other half lives
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It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.
Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.
Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:
The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:
Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.
[citation needed]
Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.
[citation needed]
Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.
[citation needed]
Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.
[citation needed]
And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.
Anyway, back to the sermon:
The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.
Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.
Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.
Posted on June 21, 2011, in alpha males, bad boys, beta males, evil women, kitties, marriage strike, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 902 Comments.
@Pecunium or marrying yourself o_O
Darnit! I scrolled everything off the screen! >_<
Kirby, I have a ton of magyc cards on the previous page!
Ami, no… that would be autocthogamy. (maybe just autogamy, but I think that would mean one got married by volition, not coercion… I’m not really much of a Greek Scholar)
Greek is really nice that way.
Ugh… I kinda don’t want to flavor these… Ah well, here goes nothing.
Loose Pussy: “She was known as Big Bertha. It was rumored that you could hear the wind whistling through the canyon whenever she walked by.”
Alpha Cock Carousel: “Step right up, Step right up, ride the Amazing Alpha Cock Carousel! In town for one week only! You won’t want to miss it!”
40 Year Old Hag: “The first thing you’ll hear is the mewing. The last thing you’ll want to see is their owner.”
Feminist Forty: “I’m not as quick as I used to be, or young, or pretty… Screw it, who needs men anyway?”
Yup, turning in my woman card now. I’m going to grad school in the fall and the Boyfriend didn’t go to college. He makes more than I do at the moment but once I complete my education that’ll change. AND I went and messed everything by getting a cat WHILE I was fucking whomever I wished to fuck, and the cat came with me when I moved in with the Boyfriend. So much for the lonely cat lady stereotype.
So, I’m going on 40; what I’m not clear on is if I should start acquiring the cats now, or after I screw over my husband? I already have one cat, as does he. If I start getting other cats, will it tip him off to my evil plans? or do you get the cats after the divorce settlement, when the money starts rolling in?
this is the first time I’ve heard any of this shit. How come no one ever clues me in?
So – it’s morphed from the “bad boy cock carousel” to the “alpha asshole cock carousel”.
No wonder I can’t find it. I’ve got to keep up with the program.
This pathway is very strange to me. I totally did not follow it as I am a childless woman in my thirties who is still trying to decide if I actually want marriage or not.
I think I dun goof’d…that, or I wasn’t paying attention when the “alpha asshole cock carousel” went by. Either way, I soooo missed the memo with regard to how my life is charted out. Now I’m all messed up…engaged to get married in two years to my first and only boyfriend, not to mention that I’ve already acquired three freaking cats! And a dog! Gah! I’ve ruined the whole process >.< Imma have to go extreme and get like, a wombat when I'm in my forties just to make up for all of these transgressions.
No, but seriously, aren't sweeping generalizations fun?
So…where do I fit in? Didn’t have sex till I was twenty-three, only had two boyfriends in my life, still with the second and we’ve been together six years, and I intend to get a cat sometime after we’re able to live together. And a dog. And maybe a bat or an otter.
@Pecunium I meant like if you married your clone xD
@tofu nutloaf you should start giving your husband cat DNA injections every night >_>
Husband + cat DNA could yield some very interesting results.
Hmmmm….
I would never want to marry my clone, age difference is too great.
This bi male actually would rather like to ride the Alpha Cock Carousel. Where can I get tickets?
Paul’s House of Sex at…
Okay, I probably should not post his address, he would kill me.
Bi ppl dun exist! >:| It’s all just straight guys, straight girls, feminist brainwashed political lesbians and broken men who have given up and turn to other men! xD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scion_xD
I think btw, I should get one of these for free xD I mean I advertise for them every day!!! xDDDD
I love how no matter how many women stand up and say, “This isn’t true, and my life proves it,” these guys are so invested in their fantasy that the narrative always stays the same.
Here’s my story: I didn’t have sex until I was 22, and I’m still with the guy I gave my virginity to. We have okay jobs. He graduated from technical school; I graduated from art school. He’s a chef; I work in a call center. He dreams of opening his own restaurant; I want to either advance in my company, or go back to school and become an OBGYN – haven’t decided yet. We both agree that a pregnancy is not something we want right now, and if I got pregnanct that I would get an abortion. We both love animals – but he’s the cat lover (he even went out and bought two of them, even though he’s very allergic!), and I’m a dog person. He’s not an ‘alpha,’ but neither am I, I suppose, thereby reinforcing what a previous commenter said – we tend to date people ‘in our league,’ so to speak.
Sarah – Have you seen the Poly Friendly Professionals page? A friend of mine maintains it:
http://www.polychromatic.com/pfp/main.php
Not sure how well populated it is for gyns and I know it varies quite a bit geographically, but it’s worth a look. I’ve never actually used it myself as I’ve been pretty much monogamous since before I found out about it.
@Ami
Oh jeez, Thrax. I’ve seen so many stupid YouTube vids of him, stealing other cartoon character’s girlfriends. (Wait, does that make him an alpha?)
And as for the “Life Plan”, I’ve completely failed it. Been with the same guy for 10 years. Haven’t cheated. No kids. Unless a chinchilla counts.
Hmm, my life path seems to have been:
1) High school, pretty unpopular, told I was “unfuckable”, convinced I will die a miserable lonely virgin. Finally lose my virginity at age 17 to a friend-of-a-friend from a neighboring town who turns out to be gay. (He’s awesome though and we still keep in touch.)
2) College: study the oh-so-feminine field of mechanical engineering. Find myself a really sweet beta boy and get engaged. Spend most of college monogamous.
3) About to graduate college, realize I am missing my chance on the cock carousel, break up with my beta boy and spend my early 20s riding the Beta Bad Boy Cock Carousel. My weakness is pale scrawny long-haired goth boys. Ok, most of them aren’t really all that bad :). Get really good at birth control and don’t get pregnant (seriously, I know it has a failure rate but using it right is just not that hard).
4) Late 20s, getting a little tired of the cock carousel finally and one of my pretty goth betas convinces me to stick around. We move in together. I gain 25 pounds. So does he. He proposes anyway. Currently trying to lose weight together and planning for the wedding. At least 90% sure we don’t want kids.
Morphed from BBCC to AACC, meaning the obvious next iteration should be, what? ZZCC? Figure that out, and you should be able to beat it there and be first in line.
Oh, I forgot to mention – my beta boy came pre-equipped with cats!! He had two of them and we got a third together. One of his original two died in March though so we are back down to two :(
As a woman who is, in theory, an “alpha” (based on the definitions given by our resident Omega-men), I must be doing everything ALL WRONG. But you know … you have so much hot sex and the dudes hate you. You have NO sex and they hate you. The only acceptable option is sex with *them*.
And really, a single woman surviving on 30k a year isn’t doing too badly. I was making 3,000,000 yen or so per year in one of the most expensive cities in the world. I could even save money! Social workers and teachers aren’t going to bring in 100k, but if you work long enough you can make plenty for a single woman with no kids. Bringing a husband in who might even lose his job and rely solely on that income? That’s when it becomes shaky.
(I know for a fact that one of my elementary teachers makes 50-60k. More than her husband. If I were making 50k? Think of how many cats I could support!!)
AACC = Ami Angelwings’ Cat Cult
So they do have to change the acronym yus.. or they will be sued… and given that feminists control the courts, they would lose and since every man will soon be paying womb rent to their mothers once Bill FU-D00-DS passes, they’ll have to sell their penises in order pay the settlement to me. xD
Oh, I should also mention the Kink Aware Professionals, though I don’t know the people who run this one:
https://www.ncsfreedom.org/resources/kink-aware-professionals-directory/kap-directory-homepage.html
Actually, depending on the position, Social Workers can indeed pull in 100k.
Do what now?
BTW, if nebody can draw and want to help me and Kirby make these cards for fun, that would be awesome :3
These are freaking amazing, Ami.
Oh, I forgot to mention the part where I supported my fiance through a year and half of getting his MBA and a year of unemployment post-degree (he had the bad luck to graduate into the WORST market for MBAs in decades) and he still makes half what I do. I am hopeful that he will eventually make +/- 20% of what I do and then we’ll be able to actually afford to buy a house. If he ever makes twice what I do I might start to feel uncomfortable again, but I guess it will sorta be my turn to feel like the less-successful one. The whole time he was unemployed and depressed and telling me how he felt like a useless drag on the relationship I kept telling him that someday I would probably be unemployed and him supporting me. I’m of course going to try to make that not happen but it does feel good to have a partner who provides some level of safety in case that does happen. And there’s a good chance I’d at least be able to draw unemployment, which he, as a recent grad who had been out of work voluntarily to go to school, could not.
Ami – I want a card!! Can I be a “femgineer”? I’ll let you do the rest ;)
Oh darn, I guess since I’m heading toward 40 I need to divorce my husband (who is probably an omega, or at least a beta by these ridiculous things). And by getting married at 23 and not cheating, I completely missed the cock carousel. That sucks! *pout*
Also, hubby got fired from his job years ago & due to medical issues, is unlikely to ever be able to work again unless he gets his ass in gear doing apps or writing; stuff he can do from home. So it looks like I missed out on this special financial stability only men have too.
Geez, what HAVE I been doing with my life?
@Plymouth sure! :3 I’ll figure something out! :D
the link for Hypergamy changed… (I put it in the wrong folder)
That is so weird, Ami. I’m wearing that outfit right now!
Thanks, I guess? :)
Ami should be a game designer. Or at least a game writer. Those cards made my day.
I can’t say too much about step #3 since I’m only 20, but so far, this guy seems pretty much right on. I notice Futrelle didn’t cite his own sources either.
I’ve always been fat and I already took a ride on the cock carousel. Since I’m in my mid-20s, does that mean I’m ahead? :D
My plan now is to settle down in a nice poly nest and surround myself with feral armadillos.
Oh man, those cards are amazing. I… have no idea how those games work but if we had a whole set of cards I would definitely buy them. It’d be horribly time consuming and expensive I’d guess though. :/
@MRAL: “this guy seems pretty much right on”
How many friends do you have again? Are they all still men?
@MRAL:
And the myriad of posters on this very forum that directly contradict each and every step does nothing to dissuade you of its accuracy?
I thought MRAL wasn’t commenting until after his appointment? xD
Not talking about myself. I’ll still comment.
Here Plymouth :3 First card with your name on it. (haven’t made you yet tho :3 )
MRAL – surely at 20 you’d only have first-hand knowledge of step one?
I also appreciate how you ignore all of the anecdotal evidence so far on this post about how many women do not AT ALL fit this model.
I can totally cite some “mature women” porn as proof that Step 3 is wrong. Wanna see?
http://www.hairymaturewomenporn.com/
http://www2.xfreehosting.com/amateur/mature/mature-women-and-their-lovers-porn.html
Nope, no roast beef there! :D
I kind of want a “poly nest” card. Or a “feral armadillo” card. Poly armadillos? xD
Speaking of which, we totally need an xD card!
I think blowhard internet talk is easy. Everyone likes to say they see everyone’s inner beauty or don’t care about physical traits. Walking the walk is not quite as common.
@Molly:
The flavor text would be simple. “XD!!!”
@MRAL:
See, these posters HAVE walked the walk. In fact the “blowhard internet talk” describes the OP more then the posters. So what is your point exactly?
I don’t really believe a lot of the stuff said here, to be honest.
Also, feminists are a minority among women, and have slightly more evolved thought processes.
@Sarah
I’d suggest asking around. Personal recommendations got me to my GP and OBGYN (both of whom I adore). And in turn I’ve recommended them to everyone who’s ever broached the subject in my presence. People don’t seem to expect to have a really great relationship with their medical providers (though they should – both expect and have!) so those of us who do tend to…proselytize.
And on the having to explain the bruises – for a lot of women in abusive relationships, seeing the OBGYN once a year may be the only time they have access to an outsider with some authority without their partner being present. Same for giving birth in a hospital. So those are both major screening points for potential abuse. Though I can totally see how it’s the reaction to your answer that’s worrisome, not the questions themselves.
(Delurking due to irresistible need to talk about great medical providers. *wave*)
Ami – Bwahaha, that’s awesome! Esp since I did actually used to work on fighter planes and missiles :D (not anymore though)
@MRAL: “Everyone likes to say they see everyone’s inner beauty or don’t care about physical traits.”
I care about what someone looks like. Of course, my “type” runs chubby, so perhaps I am luckier than some?
I’ve never slept with someone who I didn’t find attractive in *some* way, but if afterwards they sucked at conversation they wouldn’t get a second invite into my bed.
Hmm, you know, I don’t know what else we’d expect from MRAL, given his behavior on the gropey thread (was it that? can’t remember). Anyway, his view, to paraphrase one of the great intellectuals of our time, seems to be:
“And I don’t want to talk to a Feminist. Y’all motherfuckers lying, and gettin me pissed.”
Who are you paraphrasing?
And this was posted before I saw his last post saying that exact thing. Gah, I hate being right…
On the bright side, he thinks that feminists are actually better than most women, rather than worse.. I suppose that’s kinda a plus..
@MRAL:
I care about what someone looks like. Of course, my “type” runs chubby, so perhaps I am luckier than some?
This. Except my “type” is actually super-scrawny. More than REALLY REALLY LEAN muscle just GROSSES ME OUT. Like, really, the thinner the better. Like, when I look at this chart, the tallest skinniest boys are THE HOTTEST:
http://www.cockeyed.com/photos/bodies/heightweight.html
(oh noes now I is discriminating based on height!)
I think feminists (except for grrl power college girls and radfems) are generally smarter than most people. I appreciate some of the things they SAY (and, maybe, a tiny tiny few DO) regarding lookism. Unfortunately they often use their intelligence for nefarious purposes (ie, bashing men) which negates some of the good they do.
Well, that does it. If Mr. Al thinks that all women go through these four stages, I guess I’d better go through those four stages. Anyone know a good divorce lawyer? And a good wedding planner? And a good cheesecake baker? (Packing on the 30 pounds is gonna be my favorite part of this!)
OT: Did anyone else watch “Sex Crimes Unit” on HBO? I’m watching it right now. It’s really interesting.
I tend to run towards liking the shorties, myself. I like having dudes who can sit in my lap for makeouts or who I can curl up around. :3
I’m not interested stuff like that. Men are supposed to be dominant.