Ok… one more. Holly, I’ve bred mice. Color is a bit different. If you mix them, they tend to grey/brown.

But… lets say you are breeding snakes. You need to feed them, and so you are also breeding mice. Given the generational time of mice (7 weeks, from born to first litter) you can get some pretty rapid separations.

You can also breed for behavioral traits. We were breeding for males which were able to cohabit (male mice are amazingly territorial). Any mouse which bit us… male or female, no matter how much we wanted the color, got fed to a snake (for a color/pattern we really like, a male might get to breed a few times, but that was it).

Any males which fought with each other, were fed to snakes. In about three years we could keep multiple males in the same cage with females, and there would be very little fighting.

We also, don’t get bitten by mice any more. The selective pressures were against them.

After ten years the (previously successful) trait of being aggressive to other males had proven so unsuccessful that it doesn’t show up but very rarely, and very weakly (and they get fed to snakes).

Holly Pervocracy

Mice scare me, according to the theory of evolution every generation evolves. They would be my overlords quite quickly.

Hey, with all the domesticated animals and such, dog breeding and all. How come their still dogs and not superdogs? In fact can anyone actually show me one damn thing thats evolved from it;s base animal state to a higher plane? You mean to tell me with all the billions of species on the planet, no one has ever witnessed a toad, or bug, or well anything, move up the evolutionary ladder? Whens this next evolutionary thingy supposed to happen? I mean hell I know the big gig is using fruit flies cause they breed so fast and they must of breed oodles of generations of them, yet the only thing they ever get is a fruit fly. Outta the trillions they’ve bred not one Einstein. Frankly I’m a little disappointed.

@Pecunium I think you’ve just revealed the feminist conspiracy in all it’s nakedness to NWO and horrified him o_o;;

Or I could hit “refresh” before posting and see that it already happened…

*writing xD

Jeez, Subby, all those years of studying Learning have really paid off! Your grasp on evolution is amazing!

are based on the theory of evolution, which is based on the theory of the big bang

There comes a point where I have to wonder if he’s truly this dense or if he’s just messing with us.

While the theory of evolution has evolved (ha!) since Darwin, it did largely start with him. If anyone seriously thinks Darwin based his original theory on the Big Bang theory… No, I have to doubt now that NWOslave is being serious. It’s only having seen creationists truly this dense (Ray Comfort, for example) that I doubt my doubt about NWOslave being serious.

Damn it, he’s breaking my brain!

Ami – isn’t that what NWO always does? The other day he told me I was “full of hate” based on a bunch of things he tells me I “forgot to say”. Uh, yeah, I didn’t say them because I don’t actually think them.

@plymouth (did your name change? that said plymouths o_o ) Yup pretty much xD He’s all about telling you what you truly believe, knocking it down and waving his hands in the air xD The image I always get is a boxing match, where one guy walks towards the ring, then right PAST, the ring… then past the fans, into the hall and punches a coatrack which falls down, then dances around screaming “I AM THE CHAMPION!!!” xD

Reading something doesn’t mean you understand it. I could read a book on advanced calculus from cover to cover, and even quote parts of it at people, but that doesn’t mean I’d actually be able to understand the core of it. In that vein, even though you can technically comprehend each word in every sentence about evolution, you completely and utterly fail at comprehending the whole meaning, and how it applies to life in this great and wondrous universe.

Basically, the animal with the longest reproductive time will always be an evolutionary dead end. Humans, amongst other mammals who take a long time to reproduce are doomed by evolution to be the least evolved.

Also:

1) Most viruses do not want to kill their hosts. They want to live, and that means that their hosts should live. Viruses like the common cold or chicken pox have relatively little interest in actually killing people – and it’s people with already weak immune systems who tend to die of those diseases. And the really deadly and awful diseases? Vaccinations, brought to you courtesy of Science!

2) The immune system has evolved to be adaptable. Your immune system right now looks nothing like what you were born with. As you were exposed to viruses from infancy on through, your immune system has learnt how to counter them and deal with them. You don’t inherit a fully functioning immune system from your parents, you inherit the framework for building your own.

That assumes that evolution goes really really fast and that humans do not have junk DNA that turns out ot be useful (which I believe has been shown, that is why some people can be injected with the Bubonic Plague and not get sick while others drop dead a day later.)

Superdog!

*looks at “Weird Al” as Lady Gaga.*

No. Just No.

Well since everyone here sits in their ivory tower in higher acedemia. Please explain to me how, since survival traits are passed down from generation to generation, (fighting disease and everything else)

Tell the ignorant slave how it’s possible that the longer the reproductive cycle, the more evolved something seems to be, when this runs 180 degrees counter to the “theory” itself.

Also where’d that matter come from?

“A virus mutates and reproduces far too fast for humans pathetic immune system to counter. We wouldn’t stand a chance.”

Did you not read what I said about the immune system? Go back and do that. Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system

Let’s talk about mutation. Mutation occurs by, essentially, a mistake (for lack of a better word). A DNA base pair molecule is modified to become another. For a variety of reasons, this happens more frequently at some loci (and in some organisms) than others.

For a virus, the mutations that count here are the outer-shell proteins. These mutate fairly rapidly, meaning the exact protein-makeup changes.

Your immune system is designed so that it can recognize the pathogen, and then start producing antibodies specific to the pathogen it just recognized.

(also, read what Holly wrote about viruses killing their hosts. If a virus kills too effectively, it too will die out – because it needs living hosts).

Hey, NWO… did you read what I posted (you know, the answer to your question about viruses… I keep answering questions, but I never get the papers I was promised in mtDNA, and how the White House determined that women work less… seems NWO is stealing the produce of my labors).

A virus that kills it’s host, is not evolutionarily fit.

We are seeing speciation in the NE even now, as apple flies start take advantage of hawthornes (which have similar fruits, but different blooming times).

Adaptational modification and phenotypic radiation was predicted, and observed on Daphne Minor (in the Galapagos). The prediction was, moderately, incorrect in that the finch populations responded to local conditional changes in much shorter time frames than expected (primarily from heightened mortality among the “unfit”, and greater survival to breeding on the more fit. As decades go by (the observations were started in the late ’70s) variations in weather have caused some recurrent drift (back toward the ratios of previous populations) as well as some total drift away from the recorded data. Bills are getting heavier, as a rule.

Experiments with guppies, in controlled ponds; with uncontrolled breeding (the ponds/streams were made to match native streams) showed that a mixed batch of guppies (equal numbers of “brilliant” and dull, upstream to downstream), would, in a non-predatory environment all become brightly colored.

When the predatory environment matched that in the wild streams where one finds guppies, they quickly came to match the color profiles in wild streams (less colored upstream, where the water is clearer, and predators have an easier time seeing them, more gaudy downstream, where the predators have a harder time seeing them).

Evolution has been tested, repeatedly, (I could go on about pigeons, sticklebacks, anti-biotic resistant bacteria, insecticide resistant bugs, plasmodia which are able to survive the modern anti-malarials, etc.,but you won’t pay attention. You will make an inane statement about how “lesser forms” are still around, and pretend that actually means something).

Slave

Where did God come from?

@Kave where did I come from? o_O Canada.

Tell the ignorant slave how it’s possible that the longer the reproductive cycle, the more evolved something seems to be, when this runs 180 degrees counter to the “theory” itself.
“More evolved” isn’t a thing. A person isn’t “better” than a bacteria in evolutionary terms; a bacteria is much better (but not perfect, because the aggregation of positive mutations can still only work with the mutations that happen, which is why we don’t have superdogs) at being a bacteria.

Everything’s been evolving for the same amount of time; the divergent paths we’ve taken say more about the different ecological niches we’ve filled than about which species is “more evolved.”

Also where’d that matter come from?
Fuck if I know. Do you?

NWOWait, wait, are you telling me viruses “don’t want to kill their host?” So when someone dies from Aids or some other virus, did those viruses miss the memo?

Yes.

Mind you, that’s the fourth or fifth time someone has answered your question.. we keep answering your questions, why won’t you answer ours (and I want those papers…. You know the ones that “disprove” evolution, and show that women work less than men).

Wait, wait, are you telling me viruses “don’t want to kill their host?” So when someone dies from Aids or some other virus, did those viruses miss the memo?
Actually, YES. HIV is pretty effective at spreading itself because it takes many years to become lethal, but a form of HIV that didn’t kill its host would spread even more effectively.

Evolution doesn’t mean that organisms make themselves “perfect” (as if that has any meaning; what exactly would a “superdog” look like, anyway?); it means that they make themselves better suited for their environment over time.

Wait, wait, are you telling me viruses “don’t want to kill their host?” So when someone dies from Aids or some other virus, did those viruses miss the memo?

It’s hilarious that I posted that vid before I even read that XD But now it fits even better XDD

Also, I think explaining evolution to a tree stump (or someone who’s doing about as much listening and processing information as one) is just a distraction from the fact that NWO still hasn’t justified his hatred of elephants.

Afraid to address the issue, NWO? Come on, you love to hate elephants, why don’t you just admit it! Giraffes can do no wrong! Perfect giraffes should rule over the elephant scum!

Giraffe = good, elephant = bad

elephant hatred in, elephant hatred out

WHY DO YOU HATE ELEPHANTS?

NWO: Objection, non-responsive.

Mind you, you are wrong. They aren’t breaking the law, they are proving themselves unfit in the evolutionary struggle. That’s how evolution works. Individuals live, or die; reproduce, or don’t.

Based on that, populations evolve.

Individuals don’t evolve, groups do.

@Holly technically HIV isn’t the thing killing it’s host, it’s just weakening the host which increases the chances of it dying by something else (eventually)

Tell the ignorant slave how it’s possible that the longer the reproductive cycle, the more evolved something seems to be, when this runs 180 degrees counter to the “theory” itself.

Because you have the completely erroneous, sci-fi based belief that evolution is moving in a direction – that a creature that is more intelligent is “more evolved”.

This is simply not true. Evolution is about adaptation to the environment. Intelligence – and the tool-use it allows us – is simply one strategy for adaptation. Amoebas are exactly as “evolved” as humans, they’ve simply adapted to their environment in different ways.

Tell the ignorant slave how it’s possible that the longer the reproductive cycle, the more evolved something seems to be, when this runs 180 degrees counter to the “theory” itself

Specialization. Cockroaches don’t want to be geniuses with opposable thumbs, they want to be unkillable little bastards that can get into almost anywhere. Wolves don’t want to drive cars and design houses, they want to kill deer and run from bears. It’s about finding a niche and exploiting the hell out of that niche – even if that niche is only being able to poke holes in trees to get at the tasty bugs inside. Yeast is totally happy being yeast. If all the yeast disappeared tomorrow, the results would be: untold grief amongst bakers and brewers; and something would evolve to take the place of yeast in the ecosystem.

The point of evolution is selecting for survival and reproductive success. If you can survive and mate by being a cold-blooded reptile that lives off insects, then that’s what you’re going to be. There’s also a theory that evolution somehow seems to speed up during times of crisis – like, if there’s a famine of insects in a particular area of the world, the lizards that live off insects seem to manifest mutations at an accelerated rate. But if there’s enough to eat and a stable population of predators, mutations tend not to manifest as much.

Also, as far as humans go, we have a whole bunch of evolutionary disadvantages. Dogs have a better sense of smell than we do, and eagles have a better sense of sight. Lots of animals have a wider range of vision that we do. Lizards can lose parts of their bodies and regenerate them. Sharks grow back any teeth they lose. Kangaroo rats don’t even need to drink water to survive. We can’t produce poisons, or even grow fur to keep warm. If we’re submerged in water, the lack of gills (or even the ability to hold our breath as long as a dolphin or whale can) means we’re pretty much fucked. If we go toe to toe with any sort of mammalian predator – like a wolf, bear, puma or coyote – armed with only our natural weapons, we’re pretty well fucked, too. Not to mention trying to fight off a shark or gator. We have very broad dietary requirements – it’d be awesome if we could just live off grass or flower nectar or insects, but we can’t. The only thing we really have going for us is a highly evolved brain. Other than that, the life support system designed for said brain has a lot to be desired.

Thats right, theLaplaceDemon…mutation. In a day a week a virus will mutate as much as your theory of evolution takes us back to 2 foot tall lucy walking out of Africa. We wouldn’t stand a chance.

Actually, most mutations, in general, either have negative or no effect. A virus can mutate it’s outer shell all it wants, the immune system (usually) keeps up well enough for the species to go on.

Also, the “wanting to kill its host” question has already been answered. Multiple times.

Again, learn ecology and then we’ll talk. A basic understanding of how ecology works is necessary to address competition for resources in evolution. Not every organism directly competes, and many help each other. Also, let’s not give natural selection all the credit – read up on drift too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift

@Victoria technically animals don’t “want” nething… I know what you mean (and I think everybody else here does too) xD but you know NWO will read it as “WELL WHAT IF A DOG WANTS TO FLY HUH!?”

Theory, upon theory, upon theory, upon theory.
No facts. Ima believer.

Hey, wanna know the end result of your theory. Universe expands into nothingness. When ya die your dead and nothing matters. So in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? Child abuse, rape, murder starvation. Who cares?

Well than write your congressman because every time a virus kills it’s breaking the law. And theres a lotta law breakers out there, by the millions in fact.

You’re an idiot. Evolution is not some ‘law’ put in place by human intelligence. Humans are really bad at controlling evolution – the most we can do are breeding programs that exploit known theories, with a little bit of gene fuckery at the top end. Evolution is just they way the world is. You’d have as much luck complaining to Congress about evolution as you would circulating a petition to change the gravity of the Earth.

Basically, the animal with the longest reproductive time will always be an evolutionary dead end. Humans, amongst other mammals who take a long time to reproduce are doomed by evolution to be the least evolved.

You DO hate elephants! You think they are less evolved than us!

Tell the ignorant slave how it’s possible that the longer the reproductive cycle, the more evolved something seems to be, when this runs 180 degrees counter to the “theory” itself.

You DON’T hate elephants! You think they’re more evolved than us!