Men’s Rights Classix: The Age of Consent is Misandry
If it weren't for this guy, there would be no pedophiles.
Today, a trip down memory lane to revisit an until-recently lost classic of modern misogyny: Jay Hammers’ “The Age of Consent is Misandry.” The piece, originally published on Jay Hammers’Men’s Rights blog, inspired some heated discussions amongst MRAs online, with some harshly criticizing the piece as an apologia for pedophilia and others hailing it as a “politically incorrect” masterpiece. Stung by the criticism, Hammers ultimately took his blog down. But the piece has since been resurrected on the Human-Stupidity blog – another blog that seems rather unhealthily obsessed with the supposed injustice of men not being allowed to fuck underage girls.
Here are some of its highlights (that is, lowlights); the headlines are mine.
ALL ABOUT THE MENZ
The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women.
MORE BETA BLUES
Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality.
FEMINISTS WHO SUPPORT AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN
If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. …
This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace.
BUT WOMEN ARE CHILDREN, BASICALLY
Older women … are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry. …
Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex.
A MODEST PROPOSAL
If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights.
Discuss?
Posted on June 18, 2011, in alpha males, antifeminism, beta males, creepy, internal debate, misandry, misogyny, MRA, PUA, rapey. Bookmark the permalink. 890 Comments.
NWO, please show evidence of the people who routinely post on this board stating, unequivocally, that women should not be harshly punished for having sex with underage boys (I love how they’re boys, but 14 year old girls are women). Show me, unequivocally, where regular posters have said that if a 30 year old high school teacher has sex with a 14 year old student, and gets pregnant, that child should be on the hook for child support.
Today has been fun; it’s rare that I’m ever able to follow a thread this closely. But you have been wrong about nearly everything you’ve said and it is stunning.
I’m not sure why NWO thinks the phrase “power dynamic” is absurd. I think every relationship has a power dynamic; but in healthy relationships it’s close to equal (or it’s explicitly negotiated, which is definitely not something teenagers are up for). It’s impossible for two people to do things together without disagreeing on some things, and how those disagreements are resolved requires there to be some sort of power dynamic in place.
…And if you just “never disagree,” that’s the scariest power dynamic of all.
Ami, until we started this discussion if someone had asked me what the age of consent was in *any* state, I prolly would have pulled “18” out of my ass. I guess I’ve never needed to look it up? :P
I don’t find a lot of the discussions on here as fun as, say, Kirby might, but it does make me realize the kinds of assumptions I make about laws.
@Kirby yeah that’s my point… so many of our age of consent laws were either made in a completely different time, or comes from religious or cultural place, often from a very long time ago.. or from tradition as you said… or from ignorance and fear.. or close mindedness… :\ Or they’re ad hoc, thrown in place for the specific situation ignoring all the other situations relating to when people are considered mature enough legally to make their own decisions and body choices :| And we’re constantly working as if this framework is some sort of default, or something that SHOULD be unless we can make an argument why it shouldn’t be, rather than “let’s start from scratch and figure this out for our society and the people that are living in it with what we know now” :]
@Molly Ren most of the fault of that is the way the news media writes about these issues (they may not say that legally it’s 18, but they may for example, write as IF 18 were the age of consent) and the other place, I think is TV and movies, which pretty much act like it’s 18 everywhere, and it’s a hard cap.. like SVU…
When the age of consent was 14 in Canada, even my friend who was in Criminology didn’t believe me when I told him, just b/c we all grow up “knowing” that it’s 18 everywhere. It’s one of those things we just “know” :\ That’s also why I think an honest complicated discussion is needed, so that we’re not choosing 18 for everything just cuz it’s the one we grew up w/ and it’s something we “know” and are “used to” and feel is just “right” for no other reason than it’s the narrative that we were taught :\
Ami, no you’re right. Tattoos are relatively trivial; possibly not the best example. I worry about reproductive freedom when it comes to the age of consent. Should a sexually active 17 year old’s parent be able to prevent them from using hormonal birth control if that’s what she thinks is best? Should her parent be able to force her have a depo-implant?
And forget for a moment about teenagers and sex. What about parents whose religious belief systems dictate that certain, potentially life saving, medical procedures not be administered to their children. This does actually happen and doctors, in these cases, are forced to make decisions that could get them or their hospital sued. What then? Should a parent be allowed to deny an eight year old chemotherapy? The child is, after all, a minor without autonomy.
I don’t have all the answers just a lot of opinions. I think that in most cases the age of consent laws are written as broadly as possible with an attempt to be reasonable. But certainly there are laws that belie this idea. The drinking age at 21 in the U.S., comes immediately to mind. Elizabeth Dole did that almost single-handedly and, in essence, black-mailed the states into adopting the law by holding their transportation budges over their head. That isn’t especially measured or reasoned.
I think we can all agree that the whole “you’re condescending too girls” thing is just a pathetic red herring.
I know there has been a lot of conversation since it was mentioned, but how could anyone not think people mature emotionally to some degree between 16 and 18 and to an even greater degree between 16 and 30. Shoot, I am 22 and I am massively more mature than I was a 16. If you haven’t matured since 16, NWO, that sounds like a problem specific to you, because most of the rest of us do.
Also, as a 22 year old, I don’t have much trouble not having sex with people under 18, and I certainly don’t have trouble not having sex with 14 year olds.
Though teenagers always think they are more mature than they actually are (even those who are relatively mature for their age think they are even more mature). Seriously, how many people here when they were thirteen did not think they were a super adult who could do anything and who should be allowed to do whatever they wanted because they could handle themselves? How many people in hindsight would actually let their thirteen year old self do those things?
Hey… ION: Is ngz3110 being sexist in tone?
When I was 23 I was seeing an 18 year old. She was interested in me, I decided I was interested in her. We talked on the phone. We spent time at her house. What we didn’t do was have sex (oh no Ion…. am I offending your Wa? I mean it might been seen as bragging about my “performance” that I didn’t have sex with someone).
Why? Well, for the first part there was my sense of the age difference. In the second part she didn’t want to. We went out for about a year and a half. I’d say, all in all, it was a lot better than the relationship I had at 19, with a 22 year old; which probably colored my thinking (one, it made the idea of being involved with someone that much younger than me seem a bit less problematic, and two it informed my idea of how sex might change the nature of things).
Hey Bee, I think we cross posted basically the same idea. And yeah, NWO is pretty much a titty-baby.
@Holly
I think the reason NWO feels the phrase “power dynamic” is absurd is because he’s too stupid to understand it.
@Nobinayamu:
The way I’ve always thought about the case with minors (never mind how its defined), religious parents, and medical treatment is that parents do not own their kids. Thus, parents do not have complete control over what they do to their children. In cases where medical treatment exists (even when a cure exists, like for the flu), I think there are cases where doctors can and should step in and treat the child against the parent’s wishes. But, again, its really hard to come up with a general case because every case is different.
@Molly Ren
Problem is, our main opponents on *here* frame it with so many other scary ideas about a woman’s place in the world that we can’t have a real discussion. : /
Yeah :\ Exactly… cuz it’s being framed as “this is all about me and my want to have sex with the youngest ppl possible b/c i think they would be less likely to say no” the whole thing becomes about these older men and what they want, and this big fight and etc… when it’s not about us adults at all.. but I rly get how b/c of these types of guys (like the OP) and how they conflate this (when they dun rly care about the autonomy of young ppl at all xD ) so that it becomes that you can’t question 18 as the age ppl can sign contracts, or consent or have bodily autonomy, etc or else you’re saying yes to these other ideas of women’s place in the world as you said :\ and when that happens it gets rly emotional and heated and triggering and what I think is the main part of this (body autonomy, freedom and when ppl should have it) becomes lost in the creepy :\
I always am wrong Nobinayamu. Why? Because you said so.
“The myriad ways in which our society has advanced since the days when 12 year olds were routinely married off will never enter their thought process. Let alone where we begin to define autonomy.”
So has society progressed because of this? Fathers routinely marrying off 12 year olds. Prolly not that young I’d imagine but the hatred men and illusion of womens eternal oppression must be maintained.
Ami: “the main part of this (body autonomy, freedom and when ppl should have it) becomes lost in the creepy :\”
Yeah, when I think about “body autonomy, freedom and when ppl should have it”, I often think of the BEST case scenario (people are educated and mature and not usually malicious!). Then I read the stuff on here and see the absolute worst… >>
How does he know nething (forget w/ this much certainty) btw if he doesn’t believe in science, or anthropology, or statistics and all history is written by the feminists? o_O Is he much much much much much older than we think he is? XD
Graham…. “I think the reason NWO feels the phrase “power dynamic” is absurd is because he’s too stupid to understand it.”
No the problem is I want to know how to cash in on this power dynamic and really enjoy my white male privilege so I can more effectively oppress women and minorities.
“I always am wrong Nobinayamu.” – NWO
I think this is about as much as NWO is able to add to the conversation, really.
I really need to start working the term “titty-baby” into my conversations.
@Molly Ren but sometimes the worst happens :\ even for adults (in a mild case, like.. getting a tattoo you hate, or a piercing that gets infected or causes problems… more serious ones, botched cosmetic surgeries, signing contracts that you regret, casting a vote you regret, the whole song and dance from religious conservatives about queer ppl not rly knowing what they want, or that trans ppl might regret their transition, or that ppl will regret their abortion, etc) It’s about when we think ppl can make those decisions, are mature enuf and can make informed choices :]
NWO: “No the problem is I want to know how to cash in on this power dynamic and really enjoy my white male privilege so I can more effectively oppress women and minorities.”
Fuck, I wanna know what happened to *my* pussy pass! Did it get lost in the mail? Do I just suck at being female because I’m not a CEO yet??? Why did none of you other vagina-bearers tell me about the free food? o.O
NWO: There is no dynamic to a relationship. If women and feminists have been indoctrinated to believe a relationship between a man and a woman is a “power dynamic” that you are viewing sex as a means to an end. And that end is obviously about power and control.
Men don’t think like that. Sex is a pleasurable act that is an end unto itself.
I will agree with the last sentence, if it were stripped of context, but the rest of what you said is patently false. One might even say it was a bald-faced lie.
Because any number of men (like Roissey) see sex as nothing but a power trip. They devote large amounts of time and effort to codifying the ways of that, “GAME”, and how to manipulate women into letting them fuck them.
Yes, I said fuck them. Not all sex is lovemaking. Lovemaking requires love (or at least abiding affection). Intimacy requires being vulnerable. PUAs refuse to do either of those. Idiots like DKM refuse to admit it’s even possible.
So, as per norm, you are wrong.
As your questions: yes, there are men in jail for violating age of consent laws. Why? Because they broke the law. Laws which predate feminism.
That was simple. Care to actually answer any of the questions you’ve ducked, dodged, twisted and otherwise refused to honestly address?
@Molly Ren I sound more combative than I mean to. xD I meant I understand why reading some of the things here can rly skew the discussion and the focus onto one particular scenario and issue :\ And I am agreeing w/ you :]
@Molly Ren it got updated to the Vagina Pinata after June 1. You should be getting it in the mail any time now.
Wanna make a bet Molly Ren? Go to the nearest town/city and start crying. When someone asks why you’re crying tell them you’re starving and haven’t eaten in days. Within in 30 minutes you’ll be eating a meal.
@Pecunium I think it was TitforTat that said you talking about your dating/sex life was being sexist in tone. Not Ion. :\
Ooh, so you can see my comments, Slavey. So how old are you?
NWO:
How about you try the same thing? Or do you think that the world is heartless when it comes to men?
This isn’t the same thing, but I recently started making homemade bread. I need a plastic container, but there weren’t any large enough in the store I was at. The store had a grill area, which made sandwhiches and stuff to order. I asked if they had any spare containers (perhaps ones that had lettuce or something in it) and guess what? I got two free containers out of it. Then I needed parchment paper, so I went to a nearby subways, and they gave me a stack of it.
Its really incredible what you can get if you just ask, and you don’t need to be obviously distressed either.
You know whats funny Pecunium? I didn’t even know about 90% of the sites listed on this blog. For instance MGTOW I thought was just a saying. I never knew there was a site. Virtually all my, (haha) research was done independently of any “sites.”
Funny how I idependently came to the same conclusions as the site’s you mock.
Then again, it probably had something to do with the “honorary pussy pass” I have for being a mangina. *shrug*
NWOslave, I’m pretty fat. I don’t think the townspeople would believe I was starving, even if I was crying. :P
Also, damn, there are things called “food stamps”. No bawling required! I hear they even give them out to dudes sometimes!
Able bodied white dude’s does not equal food stamps Molly Ren.
NWO: Try wrapping your brain around this. Prior to the modern feminist movement the age of consent was higher, as a rule than it is now.
Really, it was. And in some places (Calif.) for example, the age of consent for men was higher than that for women (21 for males, and 18 for women). Whoa…
But the evil feminists, argued that wasn’t fair.
Hard to believe, but there you go.
Such pesky things, those facts. I see why you ignore them.
@Nobinayamu Yeah the surgery and parental refusal thing is part of why I think it’s rly important to decide when people can decide what to do w/ their bodies :\ Also what if the child DOESN’T want a surgery? Or when we decide that a person is old enough to make these decisions for themselves while weighing the fears of them being coerced by their parents or other adults (psychiatrists, teachers, counsellors, relatives… forget “older guy that wants to do them” even :\ ). When do we feel they’re mature enuf (I mean even adults are sometimes told that they’re being coerced or manipulated into making choices, by certain groups that morally oppose those choices) that it doesn’t matter?
There aren’t easy answers as you say :\ But it’s rly important… b/c it affects a lot of young ppl and what their rights and rights to their bodies and what they can consent or refuse, etc…
I think one of the important things to keep in mind, which isn’t to say that it’s the SAME, b/c obv it’s not since there are issues of maturity, experience, etc that come w/ adulthood, is that we’re (adults) the ones deciding these things but they directly affect people who are not us (and yus I know it also affect parents, but it’s still their child’s body, even if they want to protect them :\ )… it’s like cis ppl deciding whether trans ppl can transition, when, how, after what hoops to jump thru…. or ppl who can’t be pregnant deciding on ppl who can… or straight ppl deciding on whether to rescind sodomy laws… we need to keep in mind that there’s a dynamic where we are deciding the lives and rights of ppl to their own bodies, but we aren’t these ppl… even if we think we’re protecting them… we’re also putting limits and controls on their bodies and choices, so we need to make sure it makes sense and it’s just arbitrary… :]
Also I think even if ppl keep in mind their youth or inexperience, or etc etc, it’s important to listen to young ppl and the ppl who are being affected by stuff like this :] (many are savvier and have exp’d more than we think too)
@Pecunium
NWO: There is no dynamic to a relationship. If women and feminists have been indoctrinated to believe a relationship between a man and a woman is a “power dynamic” that you are viewing sex as a means to an end. And that end is obviously about power and control.
Men don’t think like that. Sex is a pleasurable act that is an end unto itself.
“I will agree with the last sentence, if it were stripped of context, but the rest of what you said is patently false. One might even say it was a bald-faced lie.”
If you think of sex between a man and a woman as a power dynamic than that is exactly how you think. You believe, as a woman, that sex is a method of control. I as a man, don’t want to control any woman thru sex. It’s pretty vile thinking.
Ami: Now that I think about it, you’re probably correct. The sometimes posters start to blur. Ion,, I apologise for mistaking you for T4T. Not kind to you.
NWO: Where did I say you were indoctrinated in MGTOW sites? I don’t think your particular brand of stupid needed specific training. I think a prediliction for conspiracy theories and sense of inferiority are more than adequate for the background misogyny in the culture to convince of the same foolish ideas the MRA sorts believe. It’s like Palmolive, “you’re soaking in it”.
Are you going to answer my questions?
I didn’t think so.
NWO, I’ve applied for food stamps. They ask you how much you make, and how much you get depends on *that*, not what you carry between your legs. There’s no “if you have a penis, you cannot apply” checkbox, but there *is* a limit based on income. You can get more if you have a dependent… so single dads who live at the poverty level can get money for their kids!
Ami: Oh good! All these forms keep getting lost in the mail!
(PS We’re not fighting, really. :) I was just talking about my own increased cynicism.)
@Nobinayamu So it doesn’t seem like I’m being unfair I’ll add that there’s also another dynamic w/ adults deciding age limit laws that’s the opposite of “I want to protect you”… which is what we’ve seen in this thread and in the OP: “I want to use you for my purposes” :\
@Pecunium
NWO: Try wrapping your brain around this. Prior to the modern feminist movement the age of consent was higher, as a rule than it is now.
The saying, “Try wrapping your brain around this” screams feminist.
Right off the bat, since you adhere to the doctrine of incarcerating a man who dares cross an age boundary, you are like that.
Don’t worry, Graham. I’m sure NWO’s ignoring you is nothing personal. He’s probably just leery of putting down more ‘facts’ about himself than he needs to so it’ll be easier to keep his stories straight (not that he’s doing a stellar job as it is.)
“The saying, “Try wrapping your brain around this” screams feminist.”
…why?
That straw Pecunium is pretty xD
@Molly Ren Speak for yourself! I once was carrying an empty yogurt container for an art project, somebody saw me and took me to a full course meal xD AND I got a Maserati out of it cuz I was walking from the bus stop :3
“The saying, ‘Try wrapping your brain around this’ screams feminist.”
Because only feminists have brains? Because only women wrap? Because not wrapping is Patriarchal?
Huh?
(Where’s Zombie when you need him for a good brain joke?)
@Feyline Because.
@NWO:
For God’s sake, man, answer the damn question! Seriously, every “answer” from you is “well, what about this question?” or “I’m gonna switch subjects/change goal posts” or “You’re just a dirty feminist!” All I need to do is quote your last post to show how pathetic its become.
He never learns, Kirby. This is why we need new trolls. >>
@Molly Ren 78.8% of welfare recipients are women. The majority of people out of work are men. 80% of the homeless are men. I could go on but I think you get the point.
@Molly Ren No. It’s because feminists do *not* have brains. It’s the equivalent of what feminists always complain about with men and rape jokes. As people without brains, you don’t understand what it would actually feel like to have one wrapped around something. Therefore you have no right to say those words. Check your privilege.
NWO: I think sex is lots of things. Sometimes (unhealthy times) there is a power dynamic used in getting/maintaining a sexual relationship (see Roissey/PUA sites/John Derbyshire). Sometimes it’s a fun romp. Sometimes it’s deeply moving. Sometimes it’s a quiet expression of love.
The sad (and pathetic) thing is the way you have idealised it, so that it’s, just by virtue of two people rubbing mucous membranes together, “pure wuv”. That’s foolish. It’s counter to all the evidence. Then again you engage in, ‘No true scotsman” arguments about age-gap relationships.
Newsflash: I don’t think all age-gap romances are exploitative. My grandfather was something like 20 years older than my grandmother. My former fiancé was 12 years my junior (I was 32, she was 21, when we started. We broke up ten years later). I do think an older person can exploit/take advantage of the things which come of being older: Experience, money, freedom, mystery.
If my 18 year old girlfriend had wanted sex… I probably have said yes. I’d have been more willing to say yes if she had had a prior sexual partner (because I would have thought she better understood what she was doing). I’d have worked to make sure it was what she wanted. But PIV wasn’t what she wanted, so we didn’t.
Why? Because she has the right to say no.
But you prefer to live in a fantasy world where everything is black and white. I don’t live in that world. I live in one where people are complex. Where older people know more than younger people, and can take advantage of them (that whole, “power dynamic” you deride). Honestly, it makes the world more pleasant to live (and love) in.
@Kirbywarp He’s exploding into straw again xD DO A BARREL ROLL!!!! XD
There was no question kirbywarp.
So the answer is…………………………….
“78.8% of welfare recipients are women. The majority of people out of work are men. 80% of the homeless are men.”
What’s keeping men from accessing information about food stamps?
I admit, I didn’t have a car at the time, and if I didn’t have money saved previously it would have been damn hard to get to take the bus to the welfare office to actually apply. Do fewer men have cars than women? Are they less likely to seek help?
Quick what’s a 33 letter long word for “shut the fuck up Kirby”? xD
NWO: What about “try wrapping your brain around this” = Feminist?
Because I am sure DKM just got insulted that you compared him to a feminist.
@NWO:
You’re right, in that instance, there wasn’t. But your response was not “oh, that fact is very interesting, it certainly does contradict my claim that age of consent laws were put in place by feminists,” it was “the saying, “Try wrapping your brain around this” screams feminist.” In other words, deflecting having to face actual facts by a non sequitur.
If you want to be accurate, just pretend my statement was aimed at every other question in this thread posed by you but not answered, especially every time you make the statement “no one seems to want to answer my questions.”
@Molly Ren… “What’s keeping men from accessing information about food stamps?”
Well 730 billion dollars is already spent on these entitlement programs, which is over 40% of the shrinking amount of money collected by the State. I know money is printed out of thin air, but oddly enough the agreement between the Fed and the State is; the state borrows money on your labor that the fed lends which it doesn’t have. It’s a sweet gig, sorta.
The state borrows money? there is a repayment requirement?
Oh wait… you are just making shit up again. That, or willfully lying.
kirbywarp, I think my ratio of questions I’ve answered-vs-question that were answered is pretty damn good.
@NWO:
No, no it is not. Because “answering a question” isn’t as easy as putting a poster’s name at the beginning of your reply, or even quoting the given question. Answering means giving an actual answer, no deflecting by talking about something else, not posing a question in return, not pussy-footing (sorry, all you lovely pussies out there) around giving your actual views on things, and no dismissing the question because the questioner is, in your view, an evil feminists.
You know, actually engaging opinions/claims/facts that contradict your view.
More women get welfare because more women are caring for children alone–which is why more women need welfare. Being poor enough to qualify for welfare is hardly a privilege.
…And that’s why you shouldn’t fuck teenagers?
Also, no, men don’t (often) use sex to control women. More often, they control women to get sex. Which is the problem with dating teenagers–an adult dating a teenager has too much ability to control them for sex.
(By the way, I thought it was pretty funny the bit where NWO was pretending to be a soft-hearted romantic who just believed in the Power Of Love.)
Holly Pervocracy
“More women get welfare because more women are caring for children alone–which is why more women need welfare. Being poor enough to qualify for welfare is hardly a privilege.
First off those women caring for children out of wedlock have the fathers or boyfriends living with them. Lets cut the crap. Second this doesn’t negate the fact that more men are out of work and the vast majority of homeless are men. Don’t they deserve your charity? My guess is they might see welfare as a privilege.
“Also, no, men don’t (often) use sex to control women. More often, they control women to get sex. Which is the problem with dating teenagers–an adult dating a teenager has too much ability to control them for sex.”
Back to the control dynamic again. It’s so ingrained in your thought process you can’t seem to shake it. If men aren’t (often) using sex to control women they are “more often” using control to “get sex.”
And you’re telling me you haven’t been indoctrinated? Is this how women normally think about sex? Once again men don’t think about sex in any way other than being a pleasurable act. Women either naturally think of sex as a means of control or have been indoctrinated to think that way. I’m hoping it’s the latter.
NWO, with me alone on this thread your ratio of questions asked vs. answered is abysmal.
As for you always being wrong, what can I say? You are wrong so often it’s like you think it’s a sport. Shall I list just a few of the things you’ve been wrong about today:
1) The increased average lifespan of human beings
2) The age of consent being 18, across the board and men regularly going to jail for having sex with women under 18 years of age.
3) The word mammography.
4) The risk of breast cancer from mammograms. MAMMOGRAMS.
5) The idea that most of the posters on this board have no objections to adult women having sex with young teenage boys.
6) The idea that feminists created the age of consent laws
7) The notion that feminists are preventing you from forming romantic relationships with 17 year old girls
8) Your utter lack of reading comprehension. When I say that society has advanced in myriad ways since the days when we married of twelve year olds I didn’t say that it’s changed BECAUSE we’ve stopped marrying off twelve year olds. I mean, really, just dumb as a bag of hammers. Or did we decide rocks? Either way, dumb as shit.
9) The idea that we never married off twelve year olds: http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24
10) Was the Lolita stuff you or that other guy.
And that’s just from this thread. This thread, all by itself.
The pure, natural, totally non-exploitive love that can only occur between a 17-year old girl and a 50-year old man. Makes me go all misty just thinking about it.
David, titty-baby comes from my God-father. He is, any many ways an unpleasant person (thought it must be said that I love him dearly) and yet he is utterly compelling and people love to be around him. Apart from being hilarious and saying things like “titty-baby” his command of tonal language is awesome. Infinite variations on the word “mother-fucker”. You know, like Miles Davis.
But no one, I mean no one, is better with insults Which reminds me, I must remember to call him tomorrow on Father’s Day.
@Nobinayamu Other guy. :|
If I were getting sex from a starry-eyed teenager who would do anything for my approval, who didn’t have the perspective or nerve to criticize anything I did or disagree with me about anything, and whom I could dump any time she got inconvenient, I’d say “this is nothing but a pleasurable act!” too. I mean, it would sure be simple for ME.
(I mean, if I could live with myself.)
I also find the newly romantic “twuu wuv” NWO a hoot.
NWO, perhaps your inability to understand the range of power dynamics that can exist within romantic relationships is because you don’t have them.
The notion that you are inside the head of any man, other than yourself, let alone every man and woman currently involved in a sexual relationship is – I give up. I’m out of synonyms for “ridiculous” and “absurd”
Not only is the idea of power dynamics within relationships not particularly feminist, it’s not particularly modern I know you don’t read. I’m sure it hurts your brain. But for the love of our sanity, go to a library, pick out novels written in the 40s and 50s -nothing too taxing- that describe love and/or marriage. See what you find.
@NWO:
Also this. This annoying habit of yours to ignore a conversation once you don’t have an answer to it, or you turn out to be wrong. I have the feeling that the only reason you responded to me was because Pecunium didn’t ask a question, so you had an easy response.
People will think no less of you if you openly say “you know? You might be right about this. I’m gonna go think about it.” Even MRAL was mature (=_=) enough to say such things. If you leave it hanging, nobody knows what you think, and in a real conversation its horribly rude to just walk off, even if you just say “you know what? I don’t want to talk about this any more.” Its infinitely worse when someone proves you wrong, you disappear, and a thread or two later you make the exact argument that was refuted before. If you want to actually converse with people, prove it. Otherwise don’t be surprised if we devolv
Oh my dear sweet lord.
NWO.
I said SPECIFICALLY there is a power dynamic at play in a relationship between partners of disparate ages DUE TO THE AGE DIFFERENCE. Stop taking my words out of context. Otherwise I’ll have to agree that you’re simply incapable of understanding what “power dynamic” really means.