Men’s Rights Classix: The Age of Consent is Misandry
If it weren't for this guy, there would be no pedophiles.
Today, a trip down memory lane to revisit an until-recently lost classic of modern misogyny: Jay Hammers’ “The Age of Consent is Misandry.” The piece, originally published on Jay Hammers’Men’s Rights blog, inspired some heated discussions amongst MRAs online, with some harshly criticizing the piece as an apologia for pedophilia and others hailing it as a “politically incorrect” masterpiece. Stung by the criticism, Hammers ultimately took his blog down. But the piece has since been resurrected on the Human-Stupidity blog – another blog that seems rather unhealthily obsessed with the supposed injustice of men not being allowed to fuck underage girls.
Here are some of its highlights (that is, lowlights); the headlines are mine.
ALL ABOUT THE MENZ
The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women.
MORE BETA BLUES
Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality.
FEMINISTS WHO SUPPORT AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN
If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. …
This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace.
BUT WOMEN ARE CHILDREN, BASICALLY
Older women … are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry. …
Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex.
A MODEST PROPOSAL
If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights.
Discuss?
Posted on June 18, 2011, in alpha males, antifeminism, beta males, creepy, internal debate, misandry, misogyny, MRA, PUA, rapey. Bookmark the permalink. 890 Comments.
@Holly Pervocracy… “I love you so much that I have to fuck you,” is teenager logic, and thus is only honest when expressed between two teenagers.”
Love and love making are intertwined. When a man loves a woman he wants to make love. This is natural and good. As always I answer a million questions, so here’s mine to you. Do women think of sex as a means of power over someone?
@Plymouth….You said you’re a test engineer. You might be quite good, in fact excellent at your job and deserve it immensly. Here’s the problem, in companies over a certain amount of employee’s and any company that wants a Guv contract a certain percentage of high paid employee’s must be women in order to either stay in business or get those Guv contracts. This is feminist doctrine imposed upon society, this is wrong. Gender is the only qualification. My question to you is. Is this equality?
@Nobinayamu… “Strangely enough, not one of those guys had the courage to pick me up at my house and stand, flat-footed in front of my father.”
The reasons for this are feminist indoctrination. First of all these men knew they would go to jail, (a fine detterent if ever there was one). Second being indoctrnated by the State/media/schools that this is somehow wrong has done it job. Men are reviled for daring to like a girl that might even be 2 years younger. That magic threshold of 18. Right now the UN/US is trying to raise that age to 21. My question to you is. Will you advocate and abide by that ruling should it pass?
@papr1ka… “it’s generally recommended that people don’t start getting mammograms until a little later in life, when the radiation risk posed by the procedure is significantly outweighed by the positive impact that breast cancer screening can have.”
If you are a woman, (can’t tell by the name) and you are “a little later in life” than get one every week for a year and let me know the results. Ionized radiation is cumlative, so if 20 doses will cause a particular woman to get cancer, the time it takes/or the time in between doses is irrelevant. The dose recieved never goes away, it doesn’t dissapate. So if she gets 1 every six months she gets cancer in 10 years, if she gets 1 every year she gets cancer in 20 years. The end result is the same. Radiation causes cancer.
@kirbywarp…Your so called debunking of my statements consists of either mockery or, I know you are but what am I.
Lol Natasha! You can tell me how much it’s totally all an argument about semantics when you can point me toward several examples of feminists expressing hatred for … bald men, to pick an example from your list.
Im merely pointing out the ridiculousness on both sides…Im an MRA…Im also a woman, who is very feminine, I dont own ANY flannel and I love my father and my S.O. who is also a man, and i really dont care if anyone is fat or bald ….but because I advocate for mens rights and/or because im NOT a feminist, there are all sorts of traits that get attributed to me…im SAYING that this is a goddamn useless conversation unless people on both sides are honest about the fact that there is a certain amount of bullshit and large amounts of grey areas when it comes to this topic.
I can’t stand women who have sex with teenage boys and I hate the way so many adults act like it’s no big deal. It is a big deal; I’ve known men who were fucked up because of it. It bothers me how the whole thing is all too often treated with a wink.
In short, I don’t think woke accused/convicted or statutory rape should be treated any differently than men.
“Actually, a lot of MRAs seem to have trouble telling the difference between feminists and women in general. And plenty, even if they can tell the difference, who simply hate all women. As for proof, see virtually any post on this site.”
Hilarious, this site runs on cherry picking an extreme minority of comments and presenting them in a vacuum, its not proof of anything but intellectual dishonesty, the absence of a real counter argument against the mrm and contempt for abuse victims that aren’t the right gender.
@NWO:
I haven’t used the word debunking in relation to you.. At all.. I don’t think I ever have, though I may not remember the distant past. So what exactly was my debunking? Was it me pointing out how you like to pose a bunch of rediculous questions and equivocate those with people asking you to clarify your position? And when exactly did I say anything that amounts to “I know you are but what am I?” Or is this too many questions for you to handle?
@Ngz: Lolita was fictional. It doesn’t work as an example of real life relationships–or of fictional ones, for that matter. Humbert Humbert is clearly portrayed as a predator.
NWO – I don’t think of sex as a means of power. But sex can be an exercise of power. If you have power over someone, you can coerce them into having sex with you.
Love and love making are intertwined. When a man loves a woman he wants to make love. This is natural and good.
No, when a man is horny for a woman he wants to make love. There’s love without sex as well as vice versa.
And you know, it’s possible to want to fuck someone, and yet not do it, if you understand that it would be unfair to them. If you love someone and you’re horny for them, but you know that they can’t give free and mature consent to sex, or that they are likely to feel hurt or cheapened by having sex with you, or that they believe the sex indicates a commitment you are not actually making, then you should love them enough to not fuck them.
Moving this up here to the front.
Eve
I was talking about women in general that have concocted the sexual shaming of both the older man and the younger woman with him. Feminists don’t hold women accountable for much and are conditioned to view her in the victim role so of course they will only shame the male, out in public like this anyway.
Holly, age doesn’t equal control and control isn’t always bad. Lolita for example, and I was posting with a man who dated a much younger woman recently and he said that she, if anyone was in control. Myself at 15, for some reason was attractive to women in their mid twenties, one in particular was very generous and introduced me to various adult things, including taking control of a woman sexually. My current same age partner, likes to role play a 15 year old girl being taught by me, a man more than twice her age. It is a fantasy that she had that went unfulfilled you see.
Age differentials when the male is the older component as inherently or almost always bad and exploitative, is a female construct that’s present in feminism. The same bigotry isn’t applied when the genders are reversed or other sexualities are involved (homophobic religious nutcases excluded), there is a political dimension too, as is the case here in the OP.
Natasha, there is a difference between men’s rights and the Men’s Rights Movment. I am for men’s rights. But I think the MRM is a retrograde movement that’s bad for women AND for men.
A couple of examples:
The group Just Detention, for example, fights for the rights of men in prison (and women as well, though since there are more men than women in prison their work benefits far more men than women). That’s something I support.
I see very little support in the MRM for this group; when MRAs talk about prison rape they generally use the issue to minimize the issue of women being raped outside of prison, and they do almost no practical work to actually help rape victims (male or female) in prison. The MRM does very little practical work to help men AT ALL; most of the energy is spent castigating women and feminists,
And I think there are plenty of harmful stereotypes about men, which can cause lots of problems for individual men. Like the idea that men are basically beasts driven to rape by women dressing provocatively. Virtually every MRA article I’ve read about the SlutWalks reinforces this stereotype.
NWOS
Thanks for your response. I was a bit thrown by your assessment that death by disease is an unnatural cause, but it now occurs to me that you’re coming from a literalist pre-lapsarian position, that Adam and Eve, who in their innocence knew neither pain nor disease, were immortal until the apple incident, and that at 965 Methuselah obviously had a far longer lifespan than we do.
Literalists: they can’t be reasoned with, they can’t be bargained with, they don’t understand evidence or logic, and they never ever stop until they’ve bored us all to death.
@sara who said –
“@Natasha, nice try but as I recall, the first quote you attribute to Holly was actually a follow up to the second quote, and clarified her position. If you can’t defend your position without twisting facts, fuck off”
I know she was clarifying, her words make that obvious….the fact remains that she clarified by saying that she hates mra’s….I didnt RE-accuse her of hating men you dumbass
ngz – I’m not actually Eve Ensler. It was a joke. I’m not about to justify or defend the opinions of “women in general,” because I am only a woman in specific, and I disapprove of older women having sex with younger boys.
… which you apparently don’t, so I don’t know why this is even one of your arguments.
I was posting with a man who dated a much younger woman recently and he said that she, if anyone was in control.
Sure, in the “ho ho, she really wears the pants” sense of making immediate decisions. But even being “controlled” by a much younger person is exploitative–it’s still a case of someone who should be capable of adult love taking advantage of the fact that young love is much more passionate and indiscriminate and ultimately foolish.
My current same age partner, likes to role play a 15 year old girl being taught by me, a man more than twice her age.
Yeah, and one of my friends likes to role play as a dog. Doesn’t give you a licence to fuck actual dogs.
@Natasha:
The first quote was a followup to the second. So, in effect, this is What Holly said:
“I don’t hate men, NWO. I hate MRAs.” ~Holly
“To be specific, I don’t even necessarily hate people who are in favor of men’s rights.” ~Holly
Is this really that hard to understand?
Natasha – I hate (the evil kind, which as far as I can tell is all of them, because for all the accusations of “cherry-picking” on Manboobz, I’ve never seen any counterevidence presented by the numerous MRAs who post here–they all seem far more invested in saying “but fucking teenagers is our right!” than in saying “we don’t all want to fuck teenagers!”) MRAs, but I don’t think it’s right for them to hate feminists.
This is not hypocrisy. This is because feminism is a worthwhile and ultimately pro-human ideology, and MRA is hateful fringe nonsense. I think that feminism is better than the MRM, not that we’re some sort of equal opposites who should treat each other just the same.
ngz3120, please show me a popular online site/forum/whatever devoted to MR that is NOT riddled with misogyny. A link or two. (I can think of only one or two, and they are basically ignored by the majority of MRAs online) .
I “cherry-pick” only in that I search our misogyny that is actually interesting to write about — that’s funny, that deals with interesting issues, that sort of thing. Were I to post every misogynistic comment I find on MRA sites, I would have to post dozens if not hundeds of them a day.
There’s no need to “cherry pick” to find misogyny on, say, The Spearhead; it’s sort of hard to find posts or comments there that are NOT pretty explicitly misogynistic.
@Natasha: I’m not a dumbass, actually. Ad hominem attacks are a logical fallacy, and those are generally used by individuals unable to form a coherent argument.
You attributed to quotes to Holly. You used them out of order. The second quote was actually used first, and the first was said later to clarify her position. It’s clear that you posted them in that order in attempt to prove a point, and you failed utterly to do so.
Yes Sarahejones
Lolita was fictional, and there was a man in the control of a younger woman and a predator, the point being despite feminist stereotypes, older man does not automatically equal controlling predator, younger woman does not automatically equal helpless victim.
@Holly Pervocracy … “And you know, it’s possible to want to fuck someone, and yet not do it, if you understand that it would be unfair to them. If you love someone and you’re horny for them, but you know that they can’t give free and mature consent to sex, or that they are likely to feel hurt or cheapened by having sex with you, or that they believe the sex indicates a commitment you are not actually making, then you should love them enough to not fuck them.”
Fuck, fuck, fuck, such a vulgar term, why not intimacy or love making. Be that as it may. Can a 16 year old girl give consent to a 16 year old boy? Why do you treat a 16 year old girl like a pre-adolescent when it come to dealing with a man, but any other time she’s a strong independent women with a mind of her own? Why is the starting point always women need protection from men and their evil desires? Why, if a 16 year old girl who desires a 25 or 30 year old man misguided? Now she’s a child again in need of protection from her self.
Humbert Humbert is a predator. That’s what I actually said. In the book, he is portrayed as a predator. Reading comprehension is fun!
So, to recap, noogz, it seems your examples of it being always cool and never manipulative for middle-aged men to date underage girls are:
1. A work of fiction.
2. A guy who claims that his underage girlfriend is the one who’s “in charge” in the relationship. (Gee, that must be totally unbiased, objective fact, since he said it and all.)
3. Your girlfriend’s sexual fantasy.
Got anything else?
NWO – A 16-year-old boy is just as naive as a 16-year-old girl. They may be neither of them entirely right about how love works, but there’s no element of exploitation; they make their mistakes together and with (hopefully) honest intentions.
They may both be dumb, but at least neither one of them knows something the other doesn’t.
Also, no, I don’t think a 16-year-old girl is a full adult woman, and never said so.
“ngz3120, please show me a popular online site/forum/whatever devoted to MR that is NOT riddled with misogyny. A link or two. (I can think of only one or two, and they are basically ignored by the majority of MRAs online) .”
No because I know that you know that they are there and you are just trotting out the same old response that you make when any one calls you out on the nature of your profession. You show me a popular feminist site that is not riddled with misandry. Oh I forgot, it not the same thing, because the genders are reversed, how silly of me.
ngz – Okay, how about Feministing, Feministe, Jezebel, Ms. Magazine, Geek Feminism, Finally Feminism 101, or (ahem) The Pervocracy?
Your move.
@NWO:
I know you have a history of blissfully steam-rolling over nuance, but here goes. Two 16 year olds having sex is not the same thing as a 16 year old and a 30 year old. It doesn’t matter what the genders are, the two are absolutely different. There is no inherent age-related power dynamic in a relationship where the participants are very close in age. Stop equivocating the two.
“A 16-year-old boy is just as naive as a 16-year-old girl.”
On average, a 16 year old girl is a two or three years ahead of the 16 year old boy, or so I have been told.
“On average, a 16 year old girl is a two or three years ahead of the 16 year old boy, or so I have been told.”
We’re clear on the fact that what you’ve been told is hardly proof of anything, correct?
I don’t know who told you that, but… great, then she can have sex with an 18 or 19 year old boy!
Not fuckin’ 30.
@dan…How you could possibly misconstrue my analysis of life expectancy false data with the rant you’ve posted is beyond me.
If say yellowstone park erupted and wiped out 25% of the US population the “official” life expectancy numbers in any google search would reflect that event. So if whatever the number is say 70 year life expectancy the numbers reflected for years to come would be 25% lower. This is how false numbers are reported.
If you went to Europe during the plague years the life expectancy is very low, because those deaths are rounded into the numbers. Yet in Japan which didn’t exerience the plague they “lived longer” according to the “official” numbers.
“Two 16 year olds having sex is not the same thing as a 16 year old and a 30 year old.”
What if the 16 year old with the 30 year old is very mature for their age, and the 30 year is old caring, paternal and the 16 year old cherished fond memories of the experiences or the 16 year old is manipulating the 30 year old and they come away damaged?
“You show me a popular feminist site that is not riddled with misandry.”
Am I missing something? I can’t think of ONE that is.
Possibly … IBTP? Is that “popular”?
Fuck, fuck, fuck, such a vulgar term, why not intimacy or love making.
Oh noes! Are the bad words hurting you? I mean, I’ve done all three of those things and consider them different. Sometimes I just want to fuck, sometimes I want love making, and sometimes just intimacy. Why is that a problem?
NWOfootslave, does the phrase “peer group” mean anything to you?
No, don’t tell me, let me guess. It’s all part of the vast feminist conspiracy, right?
ngz3120:
If I had wheels I’d be a wagon. (In other words, making up hypotheticals is not a way of proving a point about all relatinships. Just because you can find some relationships where the 16-year-old did not feel manipulated doesn’t say anything about such relationships in general, unless you want to show that most or all 16 year olds are mature for their age.)
Also, can you name even one example of a 16-year-old manipulating and damaging a 30 year old?
EVERY SINGLE ONE in my “antidotes to boobery” sidebar.
@David and others:
See, this is a trick question, because misandry is anything that places limits on anything a man does, (like fucking 14 year olds) or empowers women in any way. So every single feminist website is a large cesspool of misandry.
I never use caps lock but…
WHAT THE FUCK‽
Are you not familiar with the concept of an unreliable narrator? Is your reading comprehension that bad?
If you seriously think that Dolores was the predator in that “relationship”, you are a seriously messed up individual.
@Holly Pervocracy…. “NWO – A 16-year-old boy is just as naive as a 16-year-old girl. They may be neither of them entirely right about how love works, but there’s no element of exploitation; they make their mistakes together and with (hopefully) honest intentions.
They may both be dumb, but at least neither one of them knows something the other doesn’t.
Also, no, I don’t think a 16-year-old girl is a full adult woman, and never said so.”
Again with the exploitation. And Kirbywarp and it seems all the rest of you as well. Is that how women think of intimacy? A power dynamic? (feminist jargon). Pretty sad if thats what women think. Men must truely be morally superior, cause we don’t think like that.
Also if they’re both dumb, wouldn’t it better to at least have one party who isn’t “dumb?”
I ask again to all of you. The UN/US is trying to raise the age of consent to 21. Will you advocate for this?
For example, I was dating a 26 year old at 16 years of age and I walked away intact and my older friend was the one with the broken heart.
Age differentials do not equal exploitation, except when the male is older and we are in feminist land.
@ngz3120:
So, in other words, “manipulating and damaging” someone is equal to breaking their heart by breaking up with them? Fucking hell, apparently I’ve been “manipulated and damaged” by my former girlfriend of 2 years younger. That’s it, from now on nobody should date anyone thats younger or older than them by 1 year!
@ngz3120,
I must repeat my question: is that your actual interpretation of Lolita?
If so, you’re wrong.
@NWO:
You’ve never asked that question, so you can’t ask it again. Just another ploy to make it seem like your desperately seeking answers, but us big meanies won’t allow it.
The power dynamic comes from the large age difference, and the fact that one of the participants is immature, not the relationship itself. I honestly don’t know how to say it any clearer.
@ngz3120:
To clarify, when feminists talk about young women being damaged and/or manipulated by older men, they are most emphatically not talking about suffering heart-break. They are talking about taking advantage of a child who doesn’t know any better about the world, and having no understanding what the relationship actually is.
So, I think that according to Subby, the “non-false” life expectancy in Botswana currently is around 70; it’s only when you consider all those inconvenient AIDS deaths that it drops to the “false” figure of 30 years. Also, those people with AIDS who have no access to the AIDS drugs that are keeping patients in the U.S. alive for decades are healthier, because medical treatment is just a way for Them to kill you.
Thanks again for the unique viewpoint, Subby!
“See, this is a trick question, because misandry is anything that places limits on anything a man does, (like fucking 14 year olds) or empowers women in any way. So every single feminist website is a large cesspool of misandry.”
See, this is just a flat out lie.
David, at a glance
Ozymandias site is in your antidotes side bar and it repeatedly cites fraudulent feminism claims about CTS, which are rooted in patriarchal theory, misandry and contempt for abuse victims of the incorrect gender, protection of abusers of the correct one and the justification for an apartheid in victim services.
Jizabelle, is fine with celebrating violence against men.
Feministing’s owner is calling for the presumption of innocence to be removed for men.
So your claims are erroneous to the extreme.
Ok you guys, have a nice evening.
@NWO: We’re discussing a particular relationship dynamic, not all relationships. Again, reading comprehension is fun.
Personally, if anything, I think women are more pedophilic than men. There are fucking 50 year old women ogling Taylor Lautner and he filmed the second Twilight when he was like 16 or 17.
Heh.
““See, this is a trick question, because misandry is anything that places limits on anything a man does, (like fucking 14 year olds) or empowers women in any way. So every single feminist website is a large cesspool of misandry.” – me
“Ozymandias site is in your antidotes side bar and it repeatedly cites fraudulent feminism claims about CTS…”
“Jizabelle, is fine with celebrating violence against men.”
“Feministing’s owner is calling for the presumption of innocence to be removed for men.” -ngz3120
Alright, so I was a little off on the details.. But c’mon. You gotta give me credit for being close.
We’re dealing with the kind of folk who think Dolores Haze is a sexual predator. Reading comprehension is always going to take a backseat to their (sick, twisted) preconceived notions about how the world works.
Here’s a fantastic article from sex-positive feminist and youth educator Heather Corinna about experiences she has had working with younger girls ‘dating’ older men. She also provides statistics showing that teenage girls who are dating men multiple years their senior are at greater risk for pregnancy scares, sti infections, and abuse. Thought it was very relevant to the discussion.
This is my official Notice Of Flounce for the the night, due to being out with a friend who is… a man! Who I do not hate!
I guess this makes him a “mangina”?
Also, he is an adult, but somehow we’re able to have a relationship anyway. It’s amazing the magic that can develop, against all odds, between a 23-year-old and a 25-year-old.
@Speahafoc: sadly very true.
sarahejones… There is no dynamic to a relationship. If women and feminists have been indoctrinated to believe a relationship between a man and a woman is a “power dynamic” that you are viewing sex as a means to an end. And that end is obviously about power and control.
Men don’t think like that. Sex is a pleasurable act that is an end unto itself.
What’s your opinion on Lolita, NWOslave?
If you’re not old enough to drink*, smoke*, fight in a war, participate in pornography, enter a sex shop, have graduated high school, and live on your own, then you’re not old enough to consent to sex with anyone more than four years older than you. Period. A sixteen-year-old cannot consent to sex with a thirty-year-old. If a thirty-year-old can’t wait for a sixteen-year-old to turn twenty, ze does not love hir.
*I am aware that in the US the legal drinking age is 21, and in Canada the legal drinking and smoking age is 19. I’m more concerned with the being allowed to fight for your country bit, the legal age of which is 18. I personally feel that tobacco should be banned and the legal drinking age should be lowered to 18.
@NWO: No one is saying that relationships between men and women are always “power dynamics.” I never said that. Neither has anyone on this board. I did say that there is a power dynamic at play in a relationship between partners when one is an adult and others are not. Please, for fuck’s sake, take a basic literacy class.
That would be 21 Alex. You’ve just condemned many more millions of men to prison on charges of statutory rape!
@sarahejones:
Exactly, I’ve even said the direct opposite!
“If women and feminists have been indoctrinated to believe a relationship between a man and a woman is a “power dynamic””
“Men don’t think like that.” – NWO
Erm.. Wait, so do I count because I could consider myself a feminist, or do I not count because I am a man? I honestly can’t tell…
@sarahejones…Virtually everyone of you has used the words “power dynamic” or something similar. There is NO power dynamic. This is merely the years of feminist indoctrination you’ve been exposed to.
@NWO:
“I personally feel that tobacco should be banned and the legal drinking age should be lowered to 18.” – Alex
“… then you’re not old enough to consent to sex with anyone more than four years older than you.” – Also Alex
So, many millions of men are having sex with women under 18, who are themselves at least 5 years older than said women?
@Mr. Slave,
“That would be 21 Alex. You’ve just condemned many more millions of men to prison on charges of statutory rape!”
Apparently, you failed to read what I wrote in the asterisks: “*I am aware that in the US the legal drinking age is 21, and in Canada the legal drinking and smoking age is 19. I’m more concerned with the being allowed to fight for your country bit, the legal age of which is 18. I personally feel that tobacco should be banned and the legal drinking age should be lowered to 18.”
Next time, read the whole thing.
You also “feel” that a man should be jailed if he is 22 while having sex with a 17 year old girl. Right?
NWOaf-correction: you may not think like that. Other men do. The sex is incidental to their getting control over another person which is where their pleasure comes in. It is easier to do with a younger person because that person does not have the experience to tell the manipulator to go fly a kite when they start playing those tricks on the younger person.
Also, recently here we have had a rather tragic case of a county board of supervisors member’s wife getting caught having intimate relations with a child-not full blown sex but definitely illegal. She is going off to prison, her daughter is also going off to prison, more then one LDS church higher up is implicated and her husband’s career is ruined (and he may have known about it but did nothing.)
So this case here has a clear cut example of an older woman not getting a pass and the damage it can do to the child and the other people around the relationship that should have been stopped a long time ago. Hopefully he can get the counseling he needs and I am glad she is going to prison.
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth….So the very, very minute amount of men/women who think “like that” has been transformed into a “law” that incarcerates “men” for the most part. ANd now you’ve been indoctrinated to accept this “law” as you moral guide. Would that be a correct assumption?
NWO:
Whatever Alex’s views on the matter, 17 and 22 is vastly different than 16 and 30. Do you think that if you can prove 17 and 22 is fine, that 16 and 30 becomes perfectly fine as well?
“The reasons for this are feminist indoctrination. First of all these men knew they would go to jail, (a fine detterent if ever there was one). Second being indoctrnated by the State/media/schools that this is somehow wrong has done it job. Men are reviled for daring to like a girl that might even be 2 years younger. That magic threshold of 18. Right now the UN/US is trying to raise that age to 21. My question to you is. Will you advocate and abide by that ruling should it pass?”
But NWO, if it was real, true, pure love, -devoid of fucked up power dynamics- and the men had not had sex with me (and they hadn’t) then why couldn’t they ring my parents’ door bell and ask to take me out on a date. The sixteen and seventeen year old boys certainly did.
Age of consent laws were not put in place by feminists. Nor are they inherently designed to keep men in their early twenties away from 17 to 18 year old girls. Though, depending on the state, they may be used that way. In fact most states have Romeo and Juliet clauses. I realize that you’re never bothered about being absolutely full of shit but to clarify for others, the age of consent is lower than 18 years in most of the U.S.
http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html
In fact, in most of the U.S., the age of consent is 16. So, exactly how young does a girl need to be for you to be in true, pure, utterly devoid of control, love with her? Fourteen? Because Idaho, Hawaii, and South Carolina can accommodate you. Thirteen? Are your rights to share true, pure, utterly devoid of control love with a 13 year old “woman” being infringed upon? Is twelve too young or just right?
ngz3120
Disagreeing with you about the CTS is not misandry. Ozymandias is hardly a misandrist, and has just started a site devoted to … advocating for men’s rights. (Not Men’s Rights as the MRM construes it, but men’s rights nonetheless.)
Jezebel ran one admittedly awful piece four years ago in which the writers talked about attacking men. I think this article was a terrible one. The site has run probably tens of thousands of pieces, so finding one piece that is again, admittedly, very bad is not the same as showing that the site is riddled with misandry.
Jessica Valenti wrote one sentence in one piece (that was not on feministing) that might be construed to mean what you think it means.
Against this I offer, well, the entirely of this site. I could find ten times as many examples of misogyny in a single Spearhead thread.
And, no, I do not support making the age of consent twenty-one.
Spearhafoc, since Lolita isn’t a Star Wars novel, NWOfootslave probably thinks it’s boring.
“There is no dynamic to a relationship. If women and feminists have been indoctrinated to believe a relationship between a man and a woman is a “power dynamic” that you are viewing sex as a means to an end. And that end is obviously about power and control. Men don’t think like that”
I can’t be the only one here who’s read Roissy talk about how his followers should play games with the women they want to fuck in order to keep them off balance. I can’t be the only one here who’s read MRAs complaining about how unfair it is that western women won’t meet their every demand. Or that their wives had their own agendas that took them out of the kitchen and birthing room. Or that the more aggressive, independent, or dominant a woman is, the less pliable and vacant and yielding to his desires, the less they want to do with her?
I don’t know where Subby is getting this “Men don’t think like that” crap. It sure as heck isn’t the MRM.
Can/will anyone answer my question?
1) Are any men over the age of 18 imprisoned for sleeping with girls under the age of 18?
2) Can any of you give me one good reason that doesn’t involve a power dynamic? (feminist jargon)