The Life Zone: If Saw and Human Centipede had a baby
The glow of pregnancy
Three young women wake up, confused and terrified, in a room that looks like a cross between a normal hospital room and the creepy underground lair of some mad scientist from a horror movie. A video screen flickers on and a creepy older man, looking a bit like Academy-award-nominee Robert Loggia, appears on it, telling the women that he’s their “jailer.” The women, you see, had all been getting abortions when their jailer’s shadowy accomplices kidnapped them and brought them to this strange prison, where they will be forced to live for the next seven months until they gave birth. “You were all on the operating table, all ready to commit murder,” announces a mysterious doctor. “Your babies will be given life just as God planned.”
This is the premise of a new horror film called The Life Zone, which recently had its world premiere at the prestigious, er, Hoboken International Film Festival, a festival that was, perhaps not coincidentally, founded and chaired by the film’s writer and producer, Kenneth del Vecchio. In case you think I’m making all this up, here’s the film’s trailer, which makes The Life Zone look a bit like an equal-parts mixture of Saw, Human Centipede, and The Handmaid’s Tale, with Robert Loggia in the role of Jigsaw/Dr. Heiter/The Commander:
Now, if you thought that something seemed really … off about that trailer, well, you’re not alone. For the film is not, as you might have assumed from my description, a warning against the fanatical misogyny of many in the anti-abortion movement.
No, the film – produced by a pro-life former judge, crime thriller author, and Republican New Jersey state senate candidate – is meant as pro-life propaganda. As the offical press release for the film’s premiere put it:
The film, which appears to cut right down the middle [of the abortion debate], examining the topic from both sides, offers a powerful, anti-abortion climactic twist. Del Vecchio and the cast invite pro-lifers to come to this historic event.
During the months the three women are held in captivity, you see, they are exposed to a barrage of films and books intended to, er, educate them about abortion –what their attending obstetrician Dr. Wise describes as “an abortion think tank.” Two of the captive women do indeed convert to the pro-life side; apparently we in the audience are supposed to develop Stockholm Syndrome along with them. The third, as we see in the trailer, tries to induce a miscarriage, which doesn’t go quite as planned.
And this sets us up for the final twist, which I’m just going to go ahead and reveal: once all three women have given birth, Dr. Wise tells them she’s going to sew them all, mouth-to-vagina, into a Human Abortion-pede!
Actually no: the twist is that the “life zone” the three women in has actually been … purgatory! All three “captives,” you see, had died on the operating table while getting their abortions. (Apparently they went to the world’s worst abortion clinic, as first-trimester abortions don’t involve anything more surgically invasive than the insertion of a suction tube; the risk of death from a legal surgical abortion is 0.0006%, one in 160,000 cases, making the procedure many times safer than childbirth itself.) Their time in the “life zone” was a test: the two women who changed their minds were whisked up to heaven, while their miscarriage-attempting, stubbornly pro-choice companion is sent straight to H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks. Dr. Wise, despite being on the right side of the abortion question, also goes to hell for committing suicide. And, oh yeah, their jailer – Loggia – was Satan. Why Satan and a hell-bound doctor were the ones trying to convert the abortion ladies to the pro-life side I can’t tell you; del Vecchio’s theology is evidently more sophisticated than I am.
The real twist here? As Jersey Journal writer Alan Robb notes:
The Life Zone went viral across the internet [last] Friday after blogs The Frisky and Talking Points Memo picked up on the film’s trailer. … But despite garnering more than 20,000 hits on YouTube in the last four days, only fifty people – including the film’s cast and producers – attended this weekend’s screening, and even those who starred in the movie didn’t know how to interpret its twist ending.
It’s impossible to tell from the trailer if the film is bad in a so-bad-it’s-good way, or if it’s just plain awful. I will try to get hold of it when it hits video, and will report back with my results.
In the meantime, if you’re looking for a good horror film set in a creepy hospital, try renting Infection, a Japanese film from 2005. Or, if you’ve got a longer attention span, try Lars Von Trier’s supernatural soap opera The Kingdom, a darkly comic miniseries which takes place in what one might call, paraphrasing Bill Murray’s character in Tootsie, “one nutty hospital.” Both are conveniently available on Netflix instant watch, so you don’t even have to leave your pregnancy dungeon to see them.
EDITED: Added some info on the minimal dangers of abortion procedures.
Posted on June 8, 2011, in creepy, evil women, misogyny, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 1,066 Comments.
Zombie-again, it is a weird thing for me…if she wants to abort and he does not want her to, he has no say in the matter. So why should she be able to insist he pay for something he said he did not want?
However, there is a baby in that situation which makes it not so simple.
Thank you Zombie, that was such an obvious solution that I feel rather foolish for not thinking of it. For me vasectomy was the best solution as I never wanted children and had a degree of certainty that I never wood that made it the best option. I was just thinking of men who were not so certain, but I was missing the obvious choice there.
One problem, Kirby, is that a good deal of child support enforcement involves the government attempting to recoup welfare and other low-income assistance payments. The “paper abortion,” even if both sides agreed to it, would allow much more gaming of the system–the mother could receive government assistance for the child while the father could escape any responsibility for pitching in. Also, even a paper abortion with the consent of the mother would be open to all manner of abuse and intimidation of the mother by the father (“sign the papers or else, b*tch” or even just “maybe he’ll stay with me if I sign”).
I’m just not comfortable with either parent permanently signing away the child’s right to receive support. If the parents wish to agree that there will be no child support, then the custodial parent is free to simply not seek a support order, which would then leave the option open should the custodial parent have a change of heart at a later date.
@Captain Bathrobe:
I meant more of something where both parents would agree (or else it couldn’t happen). I would agree that something like what MRAL was suggesting, one party signing away all ownership without any input from the other, wouldn’t work at all. I do understand your point about intimidation, but that sort of thing can occur in nearly any situation. You could say that the man could try to bully the woman into not seeking child support. Apparently there are things called parental waivers, which are basically what I was after, but I don’t know the stats on abuse of them.
Yeah, .Elizabeth, the presence of the baby is really the sticking point here. Child support is, in the final analysis, support for the child, not the parent. If we give the non-consenting parent the right to opt out of supporting the baby, then we would have to accept the responsibility of the state to provide for the child–without hope of recouping any costs from the non-consenting parent–should the mother be unable to do so. Personally, being a big-government, social welfare liberal, I don’t have a problem with this, but I imagine those on the “pro-life” side would find this arrangement highly objectionable.
Of course, the worst of our MRA pals would see not only the woman’s right to choose taken away, but also the elimination of child support and dismantling of the pitiful remnants the U.S. social welfare system–because fuck everyone else, that’s why.
What the hell? Speaking from personal experience, you’re awake the entire time, they put a little tube into you and suck it out. It’s totally safe! They give you instructions on how to care for yourself afterward and that’s that. Most women are able to go back to work that same day. That said, it can be pretty painful, but it only lasts five minutes. When I saw that trailer, it scared the shit out of me because, knowing the reasons I had my abortion, I can’t even imagine what it would be like to have been forced to carry it to term (in which case, it would have been born this July). But the three women all fucking died? And the one young woman so desperate after living in that creepy hospital for five months is somehow totally a terrible person for making one last desperate move? I mean, hey, I really don’t like the idea of a pregnancy being aborted when the child could actually be born as a premie, but if there was one thing that would be likely to change, it would be something like that.
@ MRAL (looks who’s back after barely even a week),
I really don’t know where you and others like you get this idea that women take abortions lightly. First of all, an abortion clinic isn’t available in every area (I had to travel four hours)p; secondly, it costs money in North America; third, the procedure is painful; fourth, there’s always the worry of anti-choice protesters; fifth, the places can be difficult to find for exactly that reason; sixth, you have to worry about who it’s safe to tell and wonder what their reactions will be; and last but certainly not least, yes, there’s the wonder “Am I sure I want to do this? Am I sure I have to do this?” Especially for me, since I do want kids some day, I had to consider a lot. But I made the decision right for me and I have no regrets.
Again, Kirby, the right to support is the child’s, not the parents’. I just don’t think parents should be permanently signing that right away. No one knows just how expensive and all-consuming parenthood is until they try it, so a first-time mother signing away her rights before she’s even given birth wouldn’t exactly meet the definition of informed consent. A much better solution would be for the custodial parent to agree to not seek support–revocable at any time should circumstances or minds change.
Of course, if the custodial parent applies for government assistance, then all bets are off. This is why talk of a “paper abortion” is largely a moot point. There is no way the state is going to relinquish its right to recoup the expense of supporting a child. This is why the most vigorous enforcement of child support comes when the government is trying to recoup welfare costs.
As for intimidation, yes, it happens in child support cases as well. However, it’s much easier to intimidate someone into signing a piece of paper once than it is to consistently intimidate someone to refrain from asking for child support over a period of years.
I don’t doubt your good intentions here, but I think that, in practice, such a waiver would be a public policy disaster.
I love how women prattle on about abortion, probably the closest you ever get to an abstract thought.
Heres a little hint for ya, it’s not your life to give or take. Someone actually had the stones to write in stats on why women get abortions. Like not financially ready. As if thats a reason to kill. Gee I don’t feel like working. I guess I’ll just wack someone out and take their money, since I’m not financially ready to support myself. Whats the difference? None.
Someone else wrote about how first trimester abortion are so safe, with a like mere 0.0006% chance of the mother dying. Well hallelujah! Of course on the flip side theres about a 100% chance little Johnny ain’t gonna make it past the 90 day mark.
Yet another person rattled off some nonsense about how could abortion be made illegal and what should the consequences be? Well thats an easy one princess, 50 lashes in the town square and 20 years in prison aughta do it. Just watch how fast women suddenly are ready for a family.
Since everybody here was a zygote, fetus, what have you, it’s real easy to figure out who wasn’t aborted. You wanna put a bullet in your own brain knock youselves out. You kill someone else, well thats murder. Now go out and murder and support all your murderous sista’s.
Oh NWO.
Not only was I not aborted, I was also not miscarried, and not-not-conceived in the first place. I know we’ve done this before, but the idea of an abortion where the fetus suffers bothers me somewhat. The idea of an abortion where the fetus isn’t aware enough to suffer, but merely doesn’t exist when it could–bothers me no more morally than simply using birth control in the first place.
Also, the lashes thing is just… fetishistic. That’s not even a punishment, is it? That’s to get your dick hard.
@Captain Bathrobe:
Again, I see your point, though you are focusing on first-time/naive parents. Honestly, its not the main point for me, as I mentioned earlier. The main point is use conception if you don’t want kids. Also, though, I haven’t seen stats on the matter, and if you’ve seen some, I’d like to see them as well. If not, I guess we’re stuck as two chums disagreeing. *shrug*
So, NWO (and I realize I’m following you way off the deep end here), should the punishment for a “male abortion” be fifty lashes and twenty years?
It’s okay to answer “nah, dudes getting lashed doesn’t do it for me.” I assume that’s the answer.
At least MRAL, sort of believes in equality, even if he’s all messed up about how we’d get there. You’re just vicious.
So, just to clarify NWO, you believe that abortion is murder and should be illegal? In fact you believe that not being financially ready for a child is a frivolous reason to have an abortion.
Which means you also believe that rulings on Child Support should be strictly enforced, that men should not have an option for a “paper abortion”, and that tax payers should be willing to support children who live at our below the poverty line?
Right?
@NWO:
“Gee I don’t feel like working. I guess I’ll just wack someone out and take their money, since I’m not financially ready to support myself. Whats the difference? None.”
Actually, said fetus has no money you can take, so their is a world of difference between reality and your very poorly constructed metaphor.
“Of course on the flip side theres about a 100% chance little Johnny ain’t gonna make it past the 90 day mark. ”
Little Johnny ain’t little Johnny until some very fuzzy boundary almost assuredly long after 90 days.
“Yet another person rattled off some nonsense about how could abortion be made illegal and what should the consequences be? Well thats an easy one princess, 50 lashes in the town square and 20 years in prison aughta do it.”
Yeah, Holly’s got this one nailed down, put into SM gear, and not given a safe word… yeah…
“Since everybody here was a zygote, fetus, what have you, it’s real easy to figure out who wasn’t aborted. You wanna put a bullet in your own brain knock youselves out. You kill someone else, well thats murder.”
Guess what? When all of us were a zygote and a fetus, we weren’t us! We did not exist until that fuzzy boundary I mentioned earlier. Therefore? Not murder, and nothing like braining ourselves as we are now. The issue is not a simple one, and bombastically shouting about how it really is simple and a little clump of cells sticking to some other cells is identical to a fully living, breathing, thinking person is simply terrible.
NWOslave a zygote is not a person. There is no capacity for thought without a brain. Believing that thought can occur without the organs necessary for thought is a result of irrational thought processes, and quite likely thought processes mired in religious thinking. It is certainly your right to hold irrational beliefs including religious ones, but there it is never acceptable to pass laws in order to use the powers of the state to enforce religious dictates on anyone.
Alex, thanks for sharing your story here. It was brave of you and I know these things can be difficult. *hugs*
Slavie, you are such an idiot.
A fetus isn’t a baby, anymore then an unfertilized egg is a baby, or a mass of ejaculate is a baby. It’s all just potential genetic material! (Though, it’s all alive, too.)
And 20 years in jail is an absurd punishment for that so-called crime. How do you even prove it wasn’t a miscarriage? And why should we force anyone be “ready” for a family that isn’t? I’m mystified as to why that’s a good thing.
It’ll teach bitches that bitches ain’t shit. And that if they have sex they better be ready to have a baby.
Also, though, I haven’t seen stats on the matter, and if you’ve seen some, I’d like to see them as well. If not, I guess we’re stuck as two chums disagreeing. *shrug*
Naw. The whole thing smacks of effort. I’d rather mock MRAs. :)
I know, NWOslave, it’s totes unfair that not only do women get to NOT fuck you, they can also turn around abort some other guy’s baby, too!
I mean, before you know it, women might start thinking they’re people! Valuable people! And we certainly can’t have that, can we?
What about cases where the mother was going to die before her baby came to term? Is it okay to abort then, or is she still a failure as a woman? Or what about a woman who’s got a high-risk pregnancy and is told she can’t get out of bed for the next four months – if she walks too much and has a miscarriage, does that count as an abortion? Or a woman who gets food poisoning and then miscarries the next day?
Here’s the difference between an abortion and killing someone for their money. You ready for it? It’ll totally blow your mind!
Bodily autonomy.
If someone is plugging you into their life support machine, and they’ll die if you unplug, but you don’t want to be plugged in, you can unplug. An actual human being has bodily autonomy, i.e., the right not to be murdered. A zygote does not – and even if the zygote did, the mother can still ‘unplug’ if she chooses.
@Captain Bathrobe: ” Also, even a paper abortion with the consent of the mother would be open to all manner of abuse and intimidation of the mother by the father (“sign the papers or else, b*tch” or even just “maybe he’ll stay with me if I sign”).”
My impression is that a “paper abortion” means that you are signing away your parental rights. Meaning that you have no involvement with the child whatsoever, you are not a parental figure in any way, and are therefore not going to be involved with the child’s mother. At least, that is how I believe this hypothetical law should be written if it’s going to be truly egalitarian. And I have no issue with that. Most women who receive abortions are socioeconomically underprivileged. Many are also mothers. If women are allowed to state “I cannot afford another child” and therefore take steps to avoid bringing a child into the world, men should be allowed to state the same.
Funny thing is, if I were faced with 20 years probably would have the kid.
And hate it.
Sucks for me, sucks for the kid, sucks for society when they have to pay for the kid because I can’t, sucks more for society when the kid grows up with the scars of an unready and unhappy single parent, sucks sucks sucks.
Shit, NWO, if you just want to see me get lashed I can pretty much do that. You’re gonna have to keep your “not such a princess now, are ya?” comments to yourself though, because I don’t do humiliation unless I like ya.
It’ll teach bitches that bitches ain’t shit. And that if they have sex they better be ready to have a baby.
I think that encapsulates the anti-feminist philosophy rather nicely.
Shit, NWO, if you just want to see me get lashed I can pretty much do that. You’re gonna have to keep your “not such a princess now, are ya?” comments to yourself though, because I don’t do humiliation unless I like ya.
It’s also pretty expensive. Last I checked, the going rate for a pro sub was about $200/hour, and they usually charge a few more hundred dollars on top of that if you want to hit them hard enough to leave bruises. And they also insist on getting a safe word in case the client hits way too hard.
I mean, I’m assuming NWOslave would *have* to visit a pro, because I can’t imagine any woman willing to deal with his bullshit for free.
NWO, I love how you’ve completely neglected to mention that many women get abortions for health reasons. Not that it really matters, since we’ve been making laws based on the principle of bodily autonomy since the origin of English common law, and that principle, plus the right to privacy, dictate that I have a right to decide whether or not something remains inside my body. That principle is also the foundation for laws against rape and assault, by the way. Simply speaking, no one has a right to use my body without my consent. It doesn’t matter if you think the fetus is a person. It doesn’t matter if you think it deserves certain legal rights. Even if you’re right, the law dictates that I have a right to abortion. It is not murder. More along the lines of self defense. Particularly if one happens to be among the women you ignored in your ridiculous post.
Also, NWOslave, I would think those kind of punishments would actually encourage women to cry false rape. Assuming they have the rape exemptions for abortion, might it not be very tempting to a woman in a truly desperate situation to cry rape to get that abortion, whether she actually was or not?
It would just end up hurting both men and women.
If women are allowed to state “I cannot afford another child” and therefore take steps to avoid bringing a child into the world, men should be allowed to state the same.
OK, Sarah, but then the state is potentially on the hook for the cost of raising the child. As I said earlier, the “paper abortion” is a moot point, because there’s no way in Hell that the state is going to allow a biological parent to voluntarily give up their financial responsibility for a child–short of adoption by a third party. I don’t have a problem with the state being required to further subsidize the cost of raising kids–it already does in many, many ways anyway. I doubt, however, our MRA friends would welcome so many more of their tax dollars going to single mothers and their kids than do so already. And the alternative (no support from non-custodial parent, little support from the state) would mean a helluva lot more poor kids than we already have.
tl;dr: It’s an idea that is much better in theory than in practice, IMHO.
@Captain Bathrobe: I’d be interested to see NWO or MRAL offer a solution to the problem you’ve posed. As a progressive I agree personally that the state should contribute in this scenario.
Victoria – I’ll let NWO watch for $100, but the top of my choice actually does it. See, it’s a bargain and it would get out a lot of his bile, too!
Going rate on letting him actually do it is… is no, because he might decide that a safeword infringes on his right to whip me, or something. And then we’d have to have a long discussion on “but shouldn’t a top be able to use a safeword to tell you that he doesn’t want to stop, and shouldn’t you have to respect that?”
I think this is the longest the thread’s actually stayed (sort of) on topic since I became a reader. o.o
Well, NWO’s solution is easy enough: “Twenty lashes, and twenty years in jail. For EVERYONE!”
You’re a braver woman than, I, Holly! I wouldn’t even want to be in the same room with Slavey, much less let him watch me play.
Though, NWOslave, if that’s what you really want to watch, may I recommend Kink.com?
I was going to type “And this is why NWO isn’t an elected official!”. But then I remembered John LaBruzzo, Eric Cantor, and then: Rep. Adams (R, FL) Rep. Aderholt (R, AL) Rep. Akin (R, MO) Rep. Alexander (R, LA)Rep. Altmire (D, PA)Rep. Amash (R, MI)Rep. Austria (R, OH)Rep. Bachmann (R, MN)Rep. Bachus (R, AL)Rep. Barletta (R, PA)Rep. Bartlett (R, MD)Rep. Barton (R, TX)Rep. Bass (R, NH)Rep. Benishek (R, MI)Rep. Berg (R, ND)Rep. Biggert (R, IL)Rep. Bishop (R, UT)Rep. Black (R, TN)
Rep. Blackburn (R, TN)Rep. Bonner (R, AL)Rep. Bono Mack (R, CA)Rep. Boren (D, OK)Rep. Boustany (R, LA)Rep. Brady (R, TX)Rep. Brooks (R, AL)Rep. Broun (R, GA)Rep. Buchanan (R, FL)Rep. Bucshon (R, IN)Rep. Buerkle (R, NY)Rep. Burgess (R, TX)Rep. Burton (R, IN)Rep. Calvert (R, CA)Rep. Camp (R, MI)Rep. Campbell (R, CA)Rep. Canseco (R, TX)…
And I just stopped in the C’s for who voted yes on HR3
Which means you also believe that rulings on Child Support should be strictly enforced, that men should not have an option for a “paper abortion”, and that tax payers should be willing to support children who live at our below the poverty line?
Right?
I’m going to go out on a limb and say, no, he believes nothing of the sort. The right-wing position (and Slavey is nothing if not a right-winger) is that women who get pregnant are solely responsible for raising the kids and that the taxpayer has no responsibility to help unless the kids are thrown into an orphanage or something, and even then the churches will take care of that. The MRA position is that the man should have no financial responsibility for a child he doesn’t want, and certainly not unless he is granted sole legal and physical custody the way God intended.
Essentially, I’m guessing, his position is that women who get pregnant should marry the guy who knocked them up, or they are shit out of luck. But you already knew that, didn’t you? :)
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Now back to your regularly scheduled octagon flame cage match of uber doom! xD
You know, MRAL really does seem borderline reasonable when it comes to Mr. Slave.
Thought of something else to add to my earlier comment: It would be even more tempting for the woman to cry false rape if the man was an asshole and refused to contribute any child support.
Well, NWO’s solution is easy enough: “Twenty lashes, and twenty years in jail. For EVERYONE!”
And the floggings will continue until morale improves.
You’re too easy Holly. as always I answer question.
First off glad to hear you were one of the 70% who make thru the abortion gauntlet. You can be drugged and killed and not “suffer” and be just as dead as little Johnny. And yes if a man maliciously with full intent to cause a woman to abort, (punch in the stomach) or something. 50 lashes and 20 years. Now go and advocate for yourself and your murderous sista’s.
The fatman, a newborn has no intelligence; can’t live on their own. Kill the fucker.
Kirbywarped, Oooo, that fuzzy boundary, that little clump of cells. You’re a clump of cells aren’t ya? A newborn is a little clump of cells too. Hmmm, it’s got less cells than you. Kill it. Rock on murder advocate former zygote Kirbywarp!
Sarah sweetheart, if an unfertilized egg or my seeds were seperate beings you’d have a newborn every month and I could churn them out at will. No conception no life, pretty basic stuff, former fetus Sarah. Now go murder one of them nasty little parasites. Or at the very least help a sista kill someone.
Nobinayamu, equal child custody should be enforced not support, (nice try). And nooooooo to any State support of any kind. Right now you could be volunteering your time in an abortion clinic. Just think of all those nasty fetuses that need killin. Why it’s enough to make your skin crawl.
And to all the rest of you Happy Abortion Day!!! On average 4110 are murdered every day in this country. You’re a bunch of murderer’s if you’ve had an abortion or a bunch of murder advocates.
Though, here’s an interesting question:
In NWOslave’s ideal universe, where women who get abortions are whipped and then jailed, there are a couple unanswered questions.
* Is it set up that a woman is wheeled from the abortion clinic directly to prison? Or is it only women who get caught inducing abortions that are whipped and jailed? How would you catch these women? Just the ones who show up at the ER suffering from botched abortions, or will menstruating women be monitored?
* If a hetero couple has unprotected sex, and the woman gets pregnant and then aborts, does the father share any of the culpability?
* What’s the punishment for an abortion doctor?
* Since abortion is such a serious crime, are women who are careless or suffer an accident in their pregnancy on the hook? Will women who suffered a miscarriage be put on trial?
* What if a woman will die if she doesn’t abort? What if there’s only a 50/50 chance of death? 70/30? 40/60?
NWOaf-huh, so you are not in favor of execution if a woman gets an abortion? And you have no problem destroying a family just because the fact the woman has the freedom to ignore your moralizing?
What a sad little person you are.
You know, MRAL really does seem borderline reasonable when it comes to Mr. Slave.
He has flashes of reasonableness, then he invariably undoes it completely by saying something like: “I value all women except bitches and fat chicks.”
Nobinayamu, equal child custody should be enforced not support, (nice try). And nooooooo to any State support of any kind.
And if the man doesn’t want the child, what then?
NWO definitely seems to be more into the lashing than the actual babies that might be produced.
Hey NWO – What’s your view on government supported early childhood education, college financial aid, food assistance programs for women and children, adoption and foster care programs, maternity leave, subsidized childcare?
(Presumed answer: “LASHES! Also maybe she could be wearing really high heels and latex and then after the lashing they use a paddle and oh yeah she deserves the paddle and oh then a bigger paddle with holes in it and… *drowned out by wanking noises*”)
I’ve answered enough questions as I always do. Now heres mine that won’t be answered.
1) If you were successfully aborted would you be posting here?
2) If you were successfully aborted would you be dead?
A.) Don’t call me sweetheart again.
B.) You’re not making any sense. I don’t think anything you just posted was even remotely connected to anything I argued. Are you drunk or just hopelessly stupid?
I think this is like a trick question on a philosophy test. The only answer to show how deep you are is to leave it blank xD
And NWO, you fucking moron: No we wouldn’t be posting here. Nor would we be in any position to care. I would never have existed. Your questions prove absolutely nothing.
*tosses a few peanut shells at NWOslave* BOO! Get off the stage!
1. No
2. No
And
3. I happen to actually be the ghost of the fetus my mom aborted. I am just that awesome.
Now answer Lady V’s questions NWOaf.
NWO definitely seems to be more into the lashing than the actual babies that might be produced.
I’m still thinking he’s more of a bottom than a top–what with his name and all. And those chains in his avatar…I mean, tell me he’s not just begging to be tied up!
“First off glad to hear you were one of the 70% who make thru the abortion gauntlet. You can be drugged and killed and not “suffer” and be just as dead as little Johnny.”
On behalf of someone who will soon be tearing you a new one, fuck you, you worthless piece of scum.
“Kirbywarped” Clever…
“Oooo, that fuzzy boundary, that little clump of cells. You’re a clump of cells aren’t ya? A newborn is a little clump of cells too. Hmmm, it’s got less cells than you. Kill it.”
So.. If someone has to amputate a finger, they’re committing mass genocide? Ever scratched your arm? 20 lashes and 20 years in prison for ye! Its not just the number of cells, but the type as well. A round ball of cells is not a human, and it cannot be murdered. Don’t know why this is such a hard concept for you, slavey.
“The fatman, a newborn has no intelligence; can’t live on their own. Kill the fucker.”
Actually, a newborn baby and a zygote are have remarkably different cognitive capacities. Yes, it is just a clump of cells – and depending on your perspective, you could say we’re all clumps of cells. But you know what? So is moss. So is asparagus. So are cows. So are nematodes. Despite the fact that we are all remarkable clumps of cells with the ability to replicate, we still differentiate between these organisms.
If I were successfully aborted I’d be in the same place I’d be if I were never conceived–nowhere, the Universal Consciousness, the land of potential, fuck if I know. I’d be whatever place or nonplace that people who never were, and had no life to lose, go.
Are you drunk or just hopelessly stupid?
Given how often he comments here, he either drinks very heavily or…yeah, I’m going to go with stupid.
If I were successfully aborted I’d be in the same place I’d be if I were never conceived–nowhere, the Universal Consciousness, the land of potential, fuck if I know. I’d be whatever place or nonplace that people who never were, and had no life to lose, go.
And, you’d be blissfully unaware of the existence of NWOslave. So there’s that to recommend it.
Today seems worse than usual. Or maybe that’s just because I’ve had the time to actually pay attention.
“1) If you were successfully aborted would you be posting here?
2) If you were successfully aborted would you be dead?”
1) No. Why? Because:
2) I never would have existed.
So if somebody would never have been born had their mother not gotten an abortion earlier in her life… what does NWO say to THEIR face btw? o_O “I wish you never existed”? “your real existence and experiences as a person is not important to me and less valuable than some hypothetical other child”? o_O;; “I wish you were dead?” (following his logic that we’d be dead had we never been born) xD
I can play this game too xD
hey guyz, what if HITLER’S MOM had had an abortion? what then huh?
No, this is par for the course. He get’s especially worked up over abortion, but he’s just as laughably clueless about everything else. He once repeatedly told me to stop talking about race when I hadn’t said anything remotely related to race. Classic slavey.
Of course, he could be both stupid and drunk. That would explain a lot.
So how about it, slavey? Been drinking? I’m sure you don’t have a problem ;) I’m just curious.
1) If you were successfully aborted would you be posting here?
2) If you were successfully aborted would you be dead?
You seem to be operating with the underlying assumption that all women would terminate their pregnancies if they could, that all women would make exactly the same decision for exactly the same reasons.
Some women like being pregnant. Some women hate being pregnant, but think its worth it to have kids. Some women don’t mind being pregnant but can’t handle having a baby. And there are about a dozen other situations that could be described, but I’m not.
So asking us if we were aborted as fetii is assuming that our mothers really just wanted to abort us, but were prevented from doing so for whatever reason.
Actually, Captain, I’m going to give NWO the benefit of the doubt and presume that he is capable of a consistent argument. I’m not really sure why. Boredom, perhaps. It could also be the heat. Still, NWO has been adamant since he first appeared on these threads that he believes abortion is murder and that women are terrible people for having them. He genuinely believes that having abortion is a crime that should subject to corporal punishment and incarceration. He believes that a woman having an abortion because she isn’t financially ready is frivolous.
Logic demands that he believe that children should receive as much financial support as they can.
I won’t hold my breath or anything.
On ANOTHER note. xD
Is it just me or is “The Life Zone” a terrible name for a movie? and ESP this movie… it’s so… it’s like naming Friday the 13th the “The Virgin Zone” or something xD
So new question… what SHOULD this movie be named? What would YOU name it?
Any ideas for sequels? xD
A newborn has intelligence, to suggest otherwise belies a failure of understanding on you part. You would be served by learning the facts of human existence, perhaps greater understanding of reality would help you to abandon your irrational belief systems.
As to your questions they are unanswerable, a person cannot be aborted only a pregnancy. If however you meant to ask would I be posting here if the pregnancy that resulted in my birth were aborted the answer is of course no, and if you meant to ask would I be dead if the pregnancy that resulted in by birth had been aborted the answer is again no, because in both cases I would never have existed. There is no sum without cogito, to use the familiar phrase.
Nobinyamu,
He’s already replied to you. He believes the state should have no role, and that only equal custody should be enforced, not child support. So, yeah, if one partner or other is abusive (which we know never happens) then, oh well, shit out of luck. One size fits all.
I admire your faith in humanity, though.
2) If you were successfully aborted would you be dead?”
This is a silly question to ask a zombie.
Also, I happen to know that there are 200 ABORTED POSTERS WHO ARE NOT POSTING HERE!
@Ami
Life Wars: A New Torture
Life Wars 2: The Woman Strikes Back
Life Wars 3: Return of the Fetii
Though that could actually be titles for chapters in the original.
Also, NWO has inspired me to ask just 2 questions for all you evil fymynysts out their!
a) If your grandmother died before giving birth to your mother, would you be here posting?
b) If I traveled back in time and killed your great-great-great-great grandfather while he was a young lad, would you be dead?
Checkmate, you evil abortion lovers!
If my mom had had an abortion btw, she prolly would have left my dad and not been in a horrifically abusive marriage and been abused by him.
And had she done that obv I wouldn’t be here to talk about it xD But if you’re asking me now how I would feel if that had been her decision and I didn’t exist? Fine…. if actually her life was spared all that pain and sorrow and she was happier for it, I would be happy for her too :) (and no I wouldn’t have been dead or murdered, and yes I do enjoy my life, but then a million things could have been different in the past and I’d never have existed.. xD)
Oh and… to others:
The movie concept and how much it wants to torture and hurt women btw is horrifying D: And I also get the triggering aspect :( So now I hope I didn’t offend nebody. I sometimes deal w/ awfulness by laughing at the absurdity of it… but I just realized that I might have been way too flip about something that’s extremely personal or painful to others (I meant a sequel as in crazy devil pants comes back as like Freddy or the Saw guy not equal in awfulness) :\ So I apologize if I did :)
a) If your grandmother died before giving birth to your mother, would you be here posting?
b) If I traveled back in time and killed your great-great-great-great grandfather while he was a young lad, would you be dead?
what SHOULD this movie be named? What would YOU name it?
The Hangover 3
Revenge of The Sluts
The Handmaid’s Tale. Oh wait.
Actual comment on the original post:
I’m confused about something. Did Dr. Wise perform the abortions on all three women at the same time or botch three in a row? Did she only perform it on one of them? I mean, she committed suicide, I assume over a botched abortion, but it could have been unrelated. What contrived reason was she there, exactly?