Fear and loathing on a date
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The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
Posted on June 3, 2011, in antifeminism, evil women, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, sex. Bookmark the permalink. 426 Comments.
NWO and MRAL: FUCK YOU BOTH.
NWOaf, you are a complete headcase. Yes, the 50’s were a sterling time to be a woman. Sarcasm, do you understand it, motherfucker?
MRAL: too bad you don’t get to decide which assaults are legitimate, but thanks for trying.
Damnit end > – if someone could fix that I’d appreciate it.
Kirbywarp, I dress up -whatever that means- all the time. It’s an important part of my work to project an image that is stylish and slightly aspirational without being showy. It’s a fine line to walk, sartorially, especially since at heart I’m an old school art nerd who spent the first part of my adult life in exclusively creative work and dressed to please no one but myself.
Understand, I don’t have a dress code like some of my friends who are lawyers or work in business. There are no strict rules about hose and hem lengths. There’s just and underlying understanding that how the people I interact with feel about me, and the image I project, will directly influence their desire to work with me and pay me. So I dress to offer a pleasing appearance, generally.
And to be told on a regular basis how great my shoes are. My shoes are great.
To ppl: answer my question up there first :) then you can deign the other questions if you want :3 But my question is more important! (also more fun and not ideologically based :3 It’s not a trick or a trap xD Many Bothans died to bring you this question!)
When will people get it through their heads that I DON’T WANT TO BEAT WOMEN. I just think some PEOPLE deserve to be taught manners, some of whom are probably women. Get the picture? I actually probably wouldn’t be able to because I’m weak.
NWOaf, I’m not going to answer any of your asinine questions unless you first answer mine:
Why the fuck do you care what a woman’s motivation is for dressing one way or another? Assuming she’s not your girlfriend or wife, of course.
If you can answer that I promise I’ll answer your asinine and pointless questions, whatever you think that will get you.
So violence is the way to teach manners? I’m pretty sure that wasn’t covered by Emily Post.
Right, you just fantasize about violence against women because it DOESN’T appeal to you. Do you even read the things you write?
Nobinayamu: Hooray, I’m not crazy! Thanks.
NWO: (I know I know, I’m a guy, but I thought it’d be fun)
1) I’ve accepted free food from my girlfriend at points. And we’ve had sex before. Am I a slut now?
2) Eh, I’ve never really worn anything sexy, I don’t care much about how I look as long as I’m clean and comfortable. I have dressed up before, for more formal occasions though, though I don’t usually have ladies on my brain when I do so.
3) I’m torn on this one. Technically I’m fine with “flirting,” hell I do it too, probably without realizing it. But I’ve had a bad experience with a former girlfriend where I was dumped because I “didn’t set enough limits,” and she ended up having to choose between me an someone else. *shrug* Dunno, I haven’t had much experience yet, so who knows where the road I’m taking will lead.
The problem is that its hard (for me at least) to differentiate flirting with being really friendly. Its not that I think every girl is flirting with me, I just can’t tell the difference. My guess is that overprotective men can’t either. Thus, when their girlfriend hangs out with guys, they jump to “flirting! cheating! screwing, oh my!” So I wouldn’t be okay with my girlfriend saying I can’t “flirt” with other girls.
Hellkell, what do you know about the 50s? You act like you were there and know all about the morals and ethics of the time. By the way, the “docile” women as you say weren’t docile, they were loyal. You’ve done what feminism does best taken the good quality loyaly and turned it into the lie of being docile. No doubt the bad men forced this docile behavior on women lest they get a stern beating. Which is par for the course since men beat women regularly back then. So were contantly told anyway.
Are you really going to contend that violence against women in the 1950s is a conspiracy theory, NWOaf?
MRAL: So…you don’t want to beat women, you just want certain women to be beaten for you?
If you mention wanting violence to happen to people, everyone is going to think you are violent. If you don’t want people to think you are violent, don’t mention violent things you want to happen. If you can’t avoid talking about your violent fantasies, then you are violent, period.
I dun wear coats or jackets indoors in equal measure. o_o;; I didn’t know those were slutty xD
I’ve NEVER worn shoes indoors, ever xD SLUTTY SLUTTY SHOES!!!
I learn something new every day!
THEN AGAIN my giant hoodie of super doom seems to be super revealing and slutty too xDDDDD
Given how often I spend in my home wearing almost nothing, and that I sleep in almost nothing 8 hours a day… even in the winter… xD Yeah it IS unequal measure xD BY FAR xDDDDD
Is it possible to answer those questions btw without being called a liar btw? xD Oh right.. unifying theory of everything AND mind-reading! xD
*mind being read* :O ruh roh! defenses breached! xD
Ami’s mind:
“Don’t try to frighten us with your snarky ways, Lady Angelwings. Your sad devotion to that ancient feminism has not helped you conjure up a rich husband, or given you enough equality to not be using men to buy you robotic parts to build a giant laser cat mech…”
>.>
xD
Basically Sallystrange I just want an honest answer. I want women to admit that “yes” we dress up to get attention from men. We like the way it feels when every man within eyeshot looks at us. We like being sexual objects.
Thats what I want the honest to goodness truth.
oops, failed at formatting…sorry!
@Kirbywarp no, cuz you’re a guy that’s had sex… you’re not a slut you’re a “FUCKING LUCKY BASTARD GODDAMIT IT WHY CAN’T IT BE ME!” xDDDD
. By the way, the “docile” women as you say weren’t docile, they were loyal
…and medicated.
So the only “honest” answer is the one you “know”? xD
I wish men would answer me honestly when I ask them if they’re actually invaders from Dimension X xD They always lie, so unfortunately I have to remove their brains from their bodies and put it into an occasionally scarf wearing giant robot xD
Uh, no, NWO, were you there? I made no mention of docility, that was another poster who claimed all of your 50’s knowledge was gleaned from TV.
@Ami
… hooray?
@NWO:
How do you know that’s the truth? What if someone were honest and didn’t say what you said, does all reality break down in a catastrophic explosion? When you assume the answer to a question before you ask it, be prepared to be very disappointed.
This is ridiculous. I am going to take the advice of some people in the old Supernatural thread and leave Manboobz. I’ll try to improve myself, and see if that changes this. I’ll be back in a few months to report.
You do that. Buh-bye!
OKAY, I hope it’s okay to repost this cuz it just got scrolled right off the screen thanks to greedyquestionattentionwantingpants xD
So…..
B/c nobody noticed amidst the end of the universe alphabet me and Kirby were doing last night, I’ll ask again (and given where I’m asking I might get a wide variety of responses xD )
But to the straight guys here (tho ppl who aren’t straight guys w/ opinions/exp can comment too :3 )
if a guy were rly tired from a late night the day before and just finished work and wanted to go home and sleep, would he go with a girl clothes shopping (esp if he doesn’t like shopping or being in a clothing store filled with girls) and stay with her in the dressing room line and give comments on her clothes, if he didn’t like her? :O (and she didn’t ask)
(that being like like, and not rly good friends)
(this is actually just a question, it has nothing to do with nething going on in this thread :3 )
It occurred to me I could post it on the dance thread too :o
I dunno how conducive to dancing asking questions is tho xD
Kirbywarp, you’re beyond even conversing with.
Heres a question for you. Pick a mainstream newspaper and read one of the brilliant articles by the women journalists. Ya know one the ones about why men suck so badly. Now they never get fire for the vile hatred spewed from their fingertips. Now if a man in one of these mainstream out would get canned in a heartbeat for saying the same about women. so heres the questions.
1) Why aren’t these women fired?
2) Should a man get fired for spewing the same about women?
3) How much courage do these women have for srewing these opinion pieces about mens multitude of flaws when there is no consequences for their actions?
4) How much courage to men show who have been fired for daring to speak against these women? And many have been fired so its not rhetorical.
Bullshit. Why does it matter to YOU whether a woman is being “honest,” which of course means telling you the answer you expect to hear? Why does it matter to you if she enjoys or doesn’t enjoy attention from men based on her appearance? What difference does it make to you?
No, it’s not ridiculous, it’s long overdue. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
I think that means he likes you. It sounds like he definitely wants to spend time with you.
Around Christmas my husband and I took a couple of friends out to see Tron because they really wanted to see it but were unemployed and couldn’t spring for expensive 3D movie tickets (srsly, going to movies is almost not worth it anymore).
I guess we were suckers to not demand sex afterwards.
Ami, in my experience, that means the guy is interested and wants to spend time getting to know the girl, even if he’s tired… you can take that for what free advice is worth xP
NWOSlave, hate to break it to you, but no. Men are not at the top of my list when I dress. You see, I work at a preschool. My clothes catch baby drool, tears, and food. Lots and lots of food. It’s about utility, not about being a sexy sexy lady.
When I am not about to leave for work, the decision making process that occurs revolves around comfort. It’s Ohio. It’s June. I don’t wear make up a.) because I’m lazy and b.) because it will melt. Again, sexiness is not really a priority.
Your stereotype doesn’t hold.
Since there are so very MANY of these articles, it should be easy for you to find and provide a link to one, just to show us you’re not talking out of your ass again.
@Katz yes… yes you were… I hope you got a raincheck
Sallystrange when I provide links they are discounted and I still get only questions.
You said if I answered your question you would answer my questions. I held up my end of the bargain. How about you, is that what your word is worth. The same as what war is good for, absolutely nuthin.
Hell, NWO, I’m game. I’ll answer your questions if you’ll answer mine.
1) I get presents from my dad and brother. Also from my husband. (He got me the awesomest birthday presents this year: a vintage Trader Vic’s cookbook and a poster for the Enchanted Tiki Room at Disneyland for the tiki bar/office I’m planning to build in the back yard. For his birthday, I got him a Batman sketch by Walt Simonson.) Before we got married, we split the check on dates. We were both pretty poor. I think the only time I let a guy pay more on dates was when I was dating an actual frikkin’ millionaire and he liked to go to expensive restaurants. Screw it, he chose the place, he could pay for that sushi.
I believe modern etiquette is that whoever proposes the date pays. If you don’t want to pay, you can arrange in advance to go dutch. Whore problem solved.
Now my question for you: Have you ever gotten a gift from a woman? How about a man? Did you give anything in return? If so, does that make you a whore? And if not, does that make you a user? Why or why not? Show your work.
2) I don’t usually wear skimpy clothing unless it’s really hot out. I dress to look good, or at least presentable. I do not dress to attract men other than my husband, because duh. Now that I think about it, the one time I wore a really revealing outfit was for a swanky gay charity Oscar party. Because I looked FABULOUS.
Oh, and I wear perfume even around the house. I got into the Black Phoenix Alchemy Lab scents and got kind of addicted.
Now your question: Do you ever dress in anything less than a full burqa? If so, why? What makes you think that’s okay? Defend your clothing choices. If possible, describe sexy things you’ve worn in vivid detail so us ladies have something to work with tonight.
3. My husband likes to talk to women. I’d be kind of worried if he didn’t. I wouldn’t like it if he flirted with other women, any more than he’d like me flirting with other men. That’s just our situation, though. Every couple’s different.
If a guy tried to tell me what to wear, I’d laugh. I know that’d be rude, but come on.
Your question: If you had a girlfriend (I know it’s a stretch of the imagination, but make an effort here), and she liked to talk to other men and flirt, would that be okay? If said girlfriend told you to dress differently because she didn’t like the attention you got from other women, what would you tell her?
and on the point of dressing up… my gal pals* are known for looking better getting together for a girls night out of cards and wine at one of their places then when going out with their s.o.’s. Mostly because they make clothes and want to show off to a truly appreciative audience**.
So ya, they dress for themselves and other women. Not for the men they already know won’t be there.
*I’m not seeing anyone atm
**I can only feign joy at french hems for so long before my eyes glaze over… and I cannot seem to see the difference between a well turned hem and a “disaster”.
aaand, I’ve just been informed that it’s “french seams”… not hems…
@NWO:
Aw thanks man, I love you too (no homo) (a joke from high-school, it was funny at the time apparently)
I haven’t seen the articles you are talking about, even in newspapers. Editorials I could buy, I suppose, but I don’t know why it would be relevant (and printed). So blogs are the only place I’ve seen rants occur. So nobody gets fired from blogs.
Link to an article (an editorial wouldn’t quite work for your argument, because literally anybody can post an editorial), and I’ll get around to your questions.
By the way, I’ve answered your questions, and you sorta half-assed mine… so, do I get a “NWO will answer 1 question free” card?
And, there’s the flounce.
OK, so if women have the ‘myilbox’, do men have maleboxes? BWAAHAHAHA!!!
I just got back from the park, I flew this huge trainer kite. It was awesome! I also objectified some men by staring at them, because I hate them… ;)
I’m naked by myself at home. Who am I dressing up for? Uuuuuh… lol
No, really. I dress for myself. I’m gonna put on my ACDC surfer shorts and an old tank top and some sandals and go out for a few pints. Oh, Slavey boy… I wish I could buy you a beer; you make me sad for you. Even though you probably hate me…
晚安
wǎn ān… (I thought the pinyin would be nice, too…) :3
Oh you disingenuous little toad. You did NOT answer my question, and you refuse to provide a link to these alleged articles? Fuck you. My question is, why does it matter to YOU? You still haven’t explained why the fuck you care what my motivation is for wearing this thing or the other. It seems you think that if I admit to wearing a sexy dress because I enjoy getting attention and flirting, then that means I forfeit the right to complain if someone sexually harasses me, stalks me, gropes me, or rapes me. Well, that is complete bullshit.
As to your questions. I doubt you’ll believe me, but that’s because you’re a dishonest bully who can’t conceive of anyone being more honest than he is, but here goes.
1. Yesterday StrangeBoyfriend bought us a pizza for dinner. He just got his unemployment benefit check so he wanted to make up for my paying for dinner last week. I have a job right now and he doesn’t so it’s mostly me buying things for him these days.
2. When I go out I sometimes dress sexy, and yes, I do enjoy the attention. I have an exhibitionist streak which I haven’t indulged much in a while. But on a day to day basis, I wear khakis, jeans, t-shirts and turtlenecks–you know, basic casual office wear. No makeup. Sometimes I wear a skirt with a nice pair of high heels. Sometimes my co-workers compliment me on my appearance, both men and women. So the fuck what?
3. I don’t really care if my boyfriend flirts with other people. I do get jealous but I get over it. We’ve both had sex with other people, with the other person’s permission, while we’ve been dating. We have a pretty awesome relationship. Lately though it’s been just the two of us, mostly because it takes money to go out on the town, go out to a sex club, or organize a threesome.
Believe me or not, I really don’t care.
Now are you going to explain why the fuck you even care what a woman’s motivation is for wearing one thing or another? While we’re at it, what even gives you the RIGHT to pass judgment on something so personal and abstract as another person’s MOTIVATION to put on a particular outfit? Arrogant fuck.
I wish men would answer me honestly when I ask them if they’re actually invaders from Dimension X xD They always lie, so unfortunately I have to remove their brains from their bodies and put it into an occasionally scarf wearing giant robot xD
Yeah! NWO, why don’t you just answer her question honestly and admit it?
I hope you got a raincheck
In your own words, xD
a poster for the Enchanted Tiki Room at Disneyland for the tiki bar/office I’m planning to build in the back yard.
…You just climbed way up my list of awesome.
If possible, describe sexy things you’ve worn in vivid detail so us ladies have something to work with tonight.
Ew. Ew ew ew.
when we were dating, Wife Sublime and I were in college so finances were always very fluid. So whoever had money paid, and often we traded off. We didn’t worry about it.
Of course, NOW I realize that we were both sluts and prostitutes. As well as being poor money managers by not tracking every penny for eventual balancing of the books.
In recent days, with the lovely economic meltdown, I have found myself again often cash-strapped; so very often W.S. will again spring for dinner or drinks or a flick.
I feel so cheap.
describe sexy things you’ve worn in vivid detail so us ladies have something to work with tonight.
I have a Chthulhu briefs with a tentacle in the… you know.
Not sure if sexy is the word.
Boyfriend and I trade off as well. We live together, and he makes several hundred more dollars a month than I do. Due to medical expenses, he pays more toward rent than I do. I pitch in by paying for internet, about 90% of our groceries, and whatever I can contribute toward rent. When I do have more money than he does, and we’re out, I’ll pay. If I know I can pay for myself, I do. I just wish my financial situation would allow me to contribute even more.
I wish men would answer me honestly when I ask them if they’re actually invaders from Dimension X xD They always lie, so unfortunately I have to remove their brains from their bodies and put it into an occasionally scarf wearing giant robot
AMI, I AM TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN I SAY I’M A ZOMBIE!!
@Ami
I have sketchbooks filled with drawings of women’s clothing, so I’m definitely not the most neutral person to answer your question. However, yeah.
@Slavey
At home, I’m a slob. When I go out in public, I dress up. If it’s anything other than seeing immediate family or going to the doctor’s/dentist/whatever, I’ll put on a suit (or at least a tie and a jacket).
I like the aesthetics of nice clothes, and I feel better – more comfortable, even – dressing in a way that matches my aesthetic tastes. I don’t do it to impress women (if that was it, I’d have given up a long time ago because it sure as Hell ain’t working). I do it because it’s fun and makes me feel better.
I’m sure some women occasionally dress up to impress others sexually. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, but I assume it’s not the primary reason for most women (and men) who like to dress up. They do it because they like it.
@Katz NWO can’t respond to me b/c then he’d be admitting he reads what I write xD And he got put on a tilt enuf last time he did that xDDD It’s all part of the game xD
a poster for the Enchanted Tiki Room at Disneyland for the tiki bar/office I’m planning to build in the back yard.
Psycho Suzie’s Motor Lounge.
wow, I did NOT want to leave there.
Allow me to predict NWoaf’s response:
“LIES! LIES! YOU’RE ALL LYING! WOMEN ONLY DRESS SEXY BECAUSE THE LIKE TO TEASE POOR INNOCENT MEN WITH THEIR DEVILISH SEXINESS! THEY ALWAYS EXPLOIT POOR INNOCENT MEN WITH THEIR SEXES AND STEAL THE MEN’S MONEY! YOU ARE ALL LYING! I KNOW THE TRUTH, YOU WILL NEVER CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE!!!?!”
Seriously, can we stop taking this asshole’s idiocy seriously now? He’s just trying to trap an imaginary feminist into saying something that contradict’s NWOaf’s imaginary version of feminism and then he’ll be like “AH HAH!! I knew it all along, secretly you want to go back to the 50s, be dependent on a man whom you manipulate with your pussy, and find personal fulfillment through the changing of diapers and the vacuuming of rugs!!”
Got anything more original than that Oaf?
Sorry about the bold tag there.
Hmm, so NWO, looks like you got a lot of answers, so much for that complaint. Do you want to go get one of those articles about how all men are evil icky slugs now? Seriously, I wanna see these for myself now. Sadly my googling skills are no match for your ass (where you seem to find all the articles you could desire).
People here seems to be confirming what I thought was a fairly universal rule:
The person in the relationship who has expendable income pays.
Thus, if one person is employed and the other is unemployed or a student, the employed one pays. If they’re both unemployed or both students, they split. If they have similar incomes, they split. If one person has a much higher income, that person pays.
As for me, I have a joint bank account. It’s moot.
Shaenon
First of all you obviously knew I wasn’t talking about birthdays and such. Poor debating tactic, feigning ignorance.
You’ve admitted (only once that you can recall) to recieving money/goods from a man.
Since it will always be a man asking a woman out (a woman flirts with a man to get his attention). The man will pay.
I have never gotten a gift from a woman, (other than an occasion since you’re playing that game). Can’t be a whore because i took no gift, part two of your question makes no sense because I also can’t be a user if I accepted no gift.
Your next question makes no sense again, women dress to attract attention men don’t. I simply doesn’t do anything because men’s seuality is their words and actions. If i dressed in a thong as women do than perhaps a woman might have reason to object to my attire.
If I had a girlfriend is a stretch of the imagination, sweet. (quite the pedestal you place women upon, as if a womans approval of me is how I am rated as a person). I’ve had more than several g-friends and I’ve actually turned down sex with a few. Again I kinda like that old fashion loyalty thingy. I’m such a backward human being, Stupid slave with his stupid morals.
Such bullshit. I invite you to join me on a bar crawl in my little college town one of these days. There are men who dress for attention and men who don’t. The difference is immediately apparent, as is the difference between the women who are dressing for attention and the women who aren’t.
Gender essentialist bullshit.
Are you going to answer my question? You know the one about why exactly you care about all this, and what your fucking point is?
Given that NWO wants honesty, it’s kinda sad that he doesn’t give it himself w/ his answer to his second question xD
But then again that just means he’d disprove his own unifying theory of everything xDDDD
OOooooooohhhh, she ADMITTED it!! My goodness, NWOaf, have you considered a career in law enforcement? Your interrogation skills are amazing! I mean, getting a woman to ADMIT to accepting a GIFT from a man!! And all the shameful, shameful things that ENTAILS!! My goodness, it’s like she doesn’t even feel any shame about that! She must be depraved or something.
Poor debating tactic, feigning ignorance.
Then why do you use it so much?
How do you dress, NWOslave? I’m really curious about that.
NWO the fact that you conflate docility with loyalty is your hang up.
As for knowing about the fifties, of course I wasn’t there. I’m a fucking millennial. But, you know, my grandparents were there. The older members of my church were there. My parents were there, although they were very young. They can and do provide first hand accounts of what their lives were like.
And I realize that you prefer to glean your world knowledge from conspiracy sites and essays but there have been a great many books written about the fifties on subjects ranging from social justice to sex, to marriage, to economics. There were even books written in the fifties. Seriously, go the library.
1) When I was younger and considerably more broke, I let men buy me drinks. Now, not so much; every once in a blue moon. I’ve got money and I can buy my own drinks. You do know that some men get totally huffy if they offer to buy you a drink and you refuse, right? In the context of a relationship I’ve received gifts, been taken to the movies, out to dinner, etc. But only in the context of a relationship where I can offer full reciprocation. I give my boyfriend gifts, make him dinner, take him to the movies, etc. That’s what it means to be a couple. You do nice things for each other because making the other person happy makes you happy.
2) Now when you say “alone” what exactly do you mean? If I’m in my house, checking my email and having breakfast and coffee, I’m not dressed up because I haven’t showered yet. If I’m going out of the house for work, I’m dressed up. If I’m going out to hang out with my friends, see a movie, have drinks, get dinner I’m dressed more casually than I am for work but depending on what your standards are, you might consider it dressed up. I like clothes and shoes girly shit so I don’t really run around in sweats. I enjoy being well dressed; it’s a form of self-expression. You know, some men really like being well dressed too. The men in my family are a very natty bunch.
I don’t generally wear make up when I’m out running errands or working in the garden. I do feel kind of naked without earrings. My lotion is scented as is my hair oil but I don’t really consider that ornamental.
Define skimpy.
The problem here is that you’re trying to manufacture a universal truth about why women dress the we do and it’s simply not possible. Women are not a monolithic group. Different women dress it different ways for different reasons. Sometimes, some women dress to attract men. Sometimes, some women dress to attract women. Sometimes some women dress to impress other women. Different women, different reasons.
3) I’m attracted to men who are outgoing and gregarious –I’m outgoing and gregarious- and have never had a problem with casual flirting. My boo is a kind of a flirt but so am I so it doesn’t really bother me. His charm is one of the things that attracted me when we met. Once again, people –men and women- are individuals with individual feelings about issues like flirting. There is no one-size-fits-all here.
Why would a man who met me and, ostensibly, started a relationship with me want me to change the way I dress? I think I’m used to men who are a lot more confident than you. No man I’ve ever dated has expressed concern about whether or not I’m attracting attention from other men. Hell, none of my guy friends even talk about shit like that. What kind of man does that?
@ MRAL,
You’re lying. You do hate all women, but you are attracted to “fat chicks.” You want to beat women, even though they DO say hi to you in exactly the way you want. You’re not going to take a temporary break, which is why you won’t be back, because you’re actually not getting tired at all. You won’t be considering anything anyone says either.
This could get really fun, so thank you for being such a fuckwit and calling us liars. I wouldn’t have thought to do this otherwise.
@ Mr. Slave,
1) Have any of you women ever gotten free stuff from men? Drink, movie, meal, jewelry, anything?
No. lol
2) Have any of you ever worn skimpy clothing, make up, perfume, ect? If so why? And don’t tell me to feel good aboout yourselves unless you do these things when you’re alone in equal proportions.
I never makeup except on Hallowe’en. I do wear “skimpy clothing” when the weather’s nice; I like to feel the wind on me. As for perfume, well, I never use deoderant, so…plus I worth with nearly all women. I’m straight, so who exactly am I trying to attract? Oh, and yes, I DO wear the same “skimpy clothing” when I’m alone. I’m an artist and I like the aesthetics of the outfits I come up with.
3) If you’ve had/have a steady boyfriend/husband and he like to talk to other women and flirt would that be ok? If said boyfriend/husband said I don’t want you wearing revealing clothing/make up, ect because it attracts other mens attention, what would you tell him?
My boyfriend of six years has plenty of female friends; I haven’t complained once. I also don’t mind minimal flirting. If he ever told me he didn’t want me “wearing revealing clothing/make up, ect because it attracts other mens attention”, I would tell him flat-out that that’s too fucking bad. Luckily, my boyfriend would never demand such ridiculous thing of me.
No Sallystrange thats about it. Women were always oppressed and men were always oppressors of women.
Fathers didn’t love their daughters ever they just wanted to control their sexuality.
Hubands didn’t love their wives or cared for their safety, they just wanted to rape and beat and oppress them.
Sons didn’t love their mothers they on wanted them as servants.
Brothers didn’t love their sisters they only tolerated them as fuck toys until they moved out to find a wife to fuck and beat.
This is how it has been thruout history. Men have never done one good thing ever. I sure never heard one damn good thing men have done on this site. Hey fathers day is coming up. Why not buy that oppressive bastard a copy of some Kay Horowitz men are shit drivel to show him what a worthless fuck men have always been.
Your next question makes no sense again, women dress to attract attention men don’t.
Tell that to Mystery.
Whoa, wait? Men don’t dress to attract attention? Right. Please explain that to the men who attended college with me.
There’s no rational basis for your assertion whatsoever.
I sure never heard one damn good thing men have done on this site.
How about this site? xD
While we’re at it, what even gives you the RIGHT to pass judgment on something so personal and abstract as another person’s MOTIVATION to put on a particular outfit?
The same thing that gives MRAL the right to decide whether fat women are allowed to have boyfriends, duh.
This one time, this guy asked me out to lunch with him. I said, “I’m dating someone.” He said, “That’s okay.” While we were at lunch, he also bought me an expensive Oktoberfest beer mug. When I was leaving I told him again that I was already seeing someone.
He showed up at my work the next day, wanting to take me to lunch again, and I said no (the conversation at lunch the day before was stilted and boring). He seemed a bit shocked.
Yes, I am the anti-christ. You will all bow before me.
Gahh.. the stupid, it burns us, it burns us!
Mr. Slave: (I really like this nick for some reason :P )
Cause of course, only one thing can be true for everyone at one time. Either the 50s was a time of total repression or total loyalty. Either everyone today is a slut or everyone is a proper lady. And you call me impossible to converse with.
NWOslave,
please, I’m genuinely curious about your wardrobe. What do you usually wear?
Wait a minute. Men don’t dress to attract women? Are you serious? Of course they do. They shave and groom themselves and get haircuts and loc maintenance and wear cologne and everything. Not all men dress to attract women in fact some men regard the very notion of trying to dress nicely before going out as an anathema.
But lots of men like to dress well and smell nice because lots of women like that.
Nobinayamu, you just don’t get it. If something is true of one person (especially me) then it is true for everybody of my gender. And whatever I hear first is the truth, no matter what I’m told later; if its true once its true for everything. =_=