Fear and loathing on a date
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The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
Posted on June 3, 2011, in antifeminism, evil women, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, sex. Bookmark the permalink. 426 Comments.
“Likewise, I think that some of the people in the groping thread need to fucking get over themselves. That’s a way bigger whine fest than anything I’ve ever done. Someone grabs your ass and you’re traumatized? Please.”
Imagine you’re on a train riding home after a long day. Suddenly some fat chick starts fondling your balls. For most of the way. Imagine, and this is gonna be hard, that you’re in a situation where if you respond, the chick might get violent, maybe she has a knife in her pocket, you don’t know. Now imagine this happens to you consistantly every other week or so. Are you beginning to see why this is a big deal?
Ami, the elevator thing happened like 3 weeks ago, I was irrationally angry for a minute, and then got over it. It’s you people who keep bringing it up.
@SallyStrange rly? Fast Five? :3 I’ve never watched any of those movies. Are they good? :D (for their genre) I enjoy fast cars and racing :D
Hey, Slavey, here’s a relatively simple question: why are you here?
Ahhhh…
That was cathartic.
kirby, I’d probably get up and (gasp) leave, or tell her to step off or get kicked in the gut. Then I’d go home and forget about it.
“And yes there were SOME legitimate assaults described, but most of it was just victim fetish crap, typical of feminists.”
Just like you’re victim fetish about being spat on by hordes of imaginary women? And your victim fetish about being pushed around by the Alpha and Beta demigods that hold your misshapen self in contempt?
@Johnny Pez….
To mock the hypocritical feminists of course.
Ami, if you like fast cars and racing then you will LOVE the Fast & Furious series. Some are better than others. The “Tokyo Drift” one, which I think was #3, was more plot-free than the other ones. But on the whole they’re pretty good. Very racially diverse, but matter-of-fact about it, so that’s a plus. A little sexist with the way they use their (very few) female characters, so that’s a minus. YMMV, but I enjoy them.
Kobold, the difference is that the events described were one-shot deals. I am metaphorically spit on every day, in a constant loop. It’s a general lifestyle, for Christ’s sake. If it all stopped, I’d be totally willing to forgive and forget.
After having my ass grabbed (among other things grabbed) about 500 times or more over my lifetime, it gets pretty fucking traumatizing, kid. Repeated assault makes a person hyper-vigilant and hair-triggered. In other words, PTSD. That’s caused by TRAUMA. I warn would-be gropers that if they try it they will pull back a bloody stump. Usually they end up with at least a bloody nose. That’s what it’s come to for me.
And, my curiosity is piqued. I want to see your ‘deformed eye’! PLEEEEASE? What do you look like? You can’t be THAT ugly (on the outside, anyway). I have toe thumbs, like (apparently) Megan Fox! And, I’m bowlegged! XD
One of the sexiest guys I ever knew (and still do!) has a hunchback.
I just keep thinking that you can’t be THAT bad looking. Maybe you just seem ugly to yourself? Maybe I have a shred of idealism left in me after all…?
MRAL: The elevator incident was one thing, but you constantly whine about how much you hate people. Indeed, you are scarcely capable of making a post on any topic without mentioning how much you hate something or someone.
Well you keep elaborating on how angry you are about it and how it’s an example of the way all women “spit on you” o_O;; So you’re over it and realize that it wasn’t actually anything personal or an example of male oppression? :]
And since you’re answering me… what do you think being sexually assaulted is like? How do you think you would feel and react? What do you think is a comparable experience to sexual assault that you’ve experienced?
To mock the
hypocriticalimaginary feminists of course.FIFY
kirby, I’d probably get up and (gasp) leave, or tell her to step off or get kicked in the gut. Then I’d go home and forget about it.
Imagine that it’s not a woman, but a big burly gay guy who could easily paste you if he so chose, and he makes comments about what a pretty mouth you have. Imagine he’s gotten you in a corner, where all your exits are blocked.
@Doctress he alrdy showed us and it looked normal xD I showed him mine and he couldn’t even see it. xD
Alright MRAL, she’s persistant, and she follows you down the train. Leaving is out then. This is where the imagination comes in, which I really don’t expect you to understand. Basically, you are the weaker (in terms of abstract power) of the two (the possibility of the knife was supposed to represent this). You don’t think you’d be affected at all by the experience, one which happens consistantly?
Here is a way to get perspective:
“May I have perspective on that? Do you think it was a major thing or a minor one?”
“Major”
“Oh, well what would be a minor one? Thank you for your response, I hope you have been able to heal from what was obviously a very traumatic experience for you.”
“Example of minor.”
“Oh, I see. I am sorry you went through that.”
Your way: the Asshole Way
This way: not the Asshole Way
“kirby, I’d probably get up and (gasp) leave, or tell her to step off or get kicked in the gut. Then I’d go home and forget about it.”
You can kind of tell two things from this. One, that you’ve never been in a fight in your life considering every move of yours seems to revolve around some Wushu super kick fantasy (and considering you’d try and pull this imaginary move in Boston, you’d likely come out of it with a face uglier then it already is). And two, that you’re very short boy, cause all you can reach is the stomach.
Victoria, I’d tell him to step off or get fucked. If he gets violent, okay, THAT’S a legitimate traumatizing event. But chances of that are pretty small, especially if you’re in a public place. Since virtually all of the stories in the groping thread are of perverts touching and running, you can’t really argue with me there.
@ Slavey: Because I’m an asshole.
Yeah, I thought as much. It’s good to have solid data to confirm it.
Mral is metaphorically spit on. This is the worst injustice in the world and completely justifies the truckloads of bitterness, anger, and hatred he drives around with him.
Various women here have been LITERALLY assaulted, grabbed, groped, brushed up against, shoved against walls, knocked down, and insulted with the vilest words imaginable. That is no big deal and anyone who is still feeling anger or bitterness about those things is a weakling.
Yep. Complete misogyny.
@SallyStrange….
If you fuck lotsa men and want to be respected for being a slut/slutwalker thats hypocracy.
If you use mens money for drinks, gifts, food and want to be respected thats hypocracy.
If you use mens money and give them sex but don’t want to be considered a prostitute thats hypocracy.
If you want your needs to be met but refuse to meet a mans needs thats hypocracy.
Kobold, the difference is that the events described were one-shot deals. I am metaphorically spit on every day, in a constant loop. It’s a general lifestyle, for Christ’s sake. If it all stopped, I’d be totally willing to forgive and forget.
THERE we go!
As I keep asking you, what are the incidents where you are in your day to day life. You say this happens every day… what happens every day? :o Who spits on you every day? I would ask you how you think a woman’s life is different but you’ve alrdy admitted you don’t know xD So do you think OTHER guys deal with this every day? Like Kirby Warp… or Pez… how are THEIR days like?
Also, here’s a hint: even if you, personally, think that whatever happened wasn’t that bad, the human response is still something along the lines of, “Wow, it sucks that happened to you.” Not judgmental assholery.
I’m not saying sexual assault (legitimate sexual assault) is a good experience. I’d imagine it’s pretty bad, it’s probably shocking and traumatizing and it sucks. I got mugged once, I’d imagine it’s maybe similar on a slightly higher level because it’s more personal. But if you let it define you, you need perspective.
“Kobold, the difference is that the events described were one-shot deals. I am metaphorically spit on every day, in a constant loop. It’s a general lifestyle, for Christ’s sake. If it all stopped, I’d be totally willing to forgive and forget.”
God I’d love to just follow you around to see this “metaphorically” spitting as it occurs. What does that even look like?
Why are you here Johnny Pez? Your comments consist of nothing but extremely poor insults. Is that it?
You know, this is a case where if you haven’t been through it, you don’t know it. MRAL, despite your supposed intelligence, you just can’t seem to grasp the important part of the situation (the groping). Rather, it has to come to physical violence before you can sort of understand why it would suck.
We have a lot of data points here and around the world (through actions like creating female-only buses) to show what groping is actually like, and how serious it is. You who have never experienced it can brush it off. *shrug* Looks like we’re wasting time here.
If he gets violent, okay, THAT’S a legitimate traumatizing event
What about the threat of violence? He’s not getting violent, and you have the idea that as long as you sit there and take it, he won’t escalate. But you suspect that if you put up some kind of resistance, he might punch you. The people on the train with you don’t want to get involved, because they’re also afraid of getting pasted by the guy.
And then you try and report what happened, and the police just look at you and make some kind of comment about your jeans being too tight and you should be grateful for the attention.
FWIW, MRAL has made more than one violent comment here. It wasn’t just the elevator thing.
At least he defines his imaginary word. And, indeed, it bears no resemblance to the similarly-spelled word hypocrisy.
I have another question MRAL. xD If you hit a woman in a he-said-she-said scenario do you think you’d be arrested? You alrdy said you fear arrest, which is why you don’t. xD
And do you believe that police and the law are more likely to believe a woman than a man? o:
NWO, on a date, who should pay for the meal? If the man pays at all, is the woman a slut/abuser (depending on the existance of sex)? Would you rather women pay for everything? Wouldn’t that make men the sluts/abusers? Where is your logic here?
@Ami: Really?? Which thread? I want to see for myself.
It’s funny: of all the people I’ve dated and/or had sex with, many of them were, upon first meeting, not immediately ‘hot’ in my eyes. I have been with people of all shapes and sizes (for example: the shortest guy? 4’6″) But, I got to know their insides, their personalities, souls, whatever… and they became beautiful to me. I still think that’s amazing and it warms me to think that we are are capable of being beautiful.
Argh… must maintain… jaded… bitterness…
;)
Oh nooooooooo. I spelled a word wrong. Damn my lack of Shakespeare. I’m just not cultured enough.
I WOULDN’T LIKE TO RANDOMLY HIT A WOMAN FOR BEING A WOMAN.
Holy shit. I said there are SOME PEOPLE who deserve to be hit for being shitheads. That’s it. My God.
are ALL.
dammit
SlaveBoy, it’s spelled *hypocrisy*.
You’d think a kid who has his pulse on the dark secret history of the world could learn how to spell.
But maybe that’s what happens when all you read is Star Wars novels and shit posted on holocaust denier websites.
But if you let it define you, you need perspective.
And not a hint of irony.
MRAL, you literally let the bad things that happen to you define you. You have made up terminology so that you can apply it to yourself to define how sucky your life is. If I were like you, my handle would be “My credit card got rejected for the SECOND TIME while I was making my fourth attempt to buy THE SAME GODDAMN THING online!”
@kirbywarp
Everyone pays their own way.
At least he defines his imaginary word. And, indeed, it bears no resemblance to the similarly-spelled word hypocrisy.
Seems appropriate, since he’s describing imaginary women and imaginary feminists.
MRAL: Just as a note, you’ve consistantly made the assertion that women=alpha (except fat chicks). You then make the assertion that alpha=asshole. Further, asshole=you’d like to deck them.
See the connection we’re making?
I got mugged once, I’d imagine it’s maybe similar on a slightly higher level because it’s more personal. But if you let it define you, you need perspective.
I don’t think anyone here is letting it define them. After all, no one even brought it up until the topic of the thread was the problem of getting groped on public transportation. If they had let it define them, you’d think they’d talk about it incessantly, all the time, on every single thread they show up on. But so far, the only person doing that is you & your spitting fantasies.
I said there are SOME PEOPLE who deserve to be hit for being shitheads.
Aaaaand that category includes women who are hot, women who are ugly, and men who get more women than you. IE, everyone. So you want to hit everyone.
NWO:
Doesn’t answer my question. At all. Even in the slightest. Do women pay by having sex? Isn’t this making them sluts? Do women pay for dates by being labeled sluts/abusers? Again, where is your logic?
Ahhh my shame explodes in my face Mr. Kobold, if only a was a mature grown up like you. Tell me about how the world works.
Ami, as a matter of fact, I myself went through an embarrassingly long “can’t get laid” phase. That ended a good long time ago, but I can still remember what it was like. Unlike MRAL, though, I didn’t get angry, I just got depressed. I also suffered from a bad case of Nice Guy, but I eventually recovered.
Of course, back then, there was no online MRM for me to poison my mind with. I like to think I wouldn’t have fallen for it, but who can say?
I said there are SOME PEOPLE who deserve to be hit for being shitheads.
Where “shithead” is defined as “someone who does not immediately jump to sooth and stroke my ego whenever I interact with her.”
Yeah, like, what so unreasonable about THAT?
@MRAL actually the point every woman was trying to make is that DESPITE how traumatizing it is (you even admitted that word xD ) they haven’t let it define them :) They are in relationships, they still go out, they still have fun, they don’t hate men, they’re married, they watch movies :)
Which is what everybody here is trying to help YOU with: perspective, letting go of your generalized anger, and not letting things define you :)
Well okay, Victoria, but the whole fymynyst movement is built upon victim fetishes and how the poor martyred FUCKING wymyn can’t go from the house to the myilbox wythout being subjected to the “male gaze” or “catcalls” or being “eye raped” or whatever the fuck else.
@kirbywarp
You asked who should pay, I said pay your own way. Questioned answered.
Also, I totally forgot to point out in my last comment that it’s utterly shitheaded to call a mugging ‘more personal’ than actually BEING TOUCHED AND GROPED. I know reasonable, decent people who have been mugged who are still able to empathize with women getting groped on the subway and harassed on the street.
MRAL: That…sounds exactly like a misspelled version of your account of how everyone who walks by you on the street without saying hi is “spitting” on you.
“I’m just not cultured enough.”
Trust us, everyone knows that.
Now what is your contribution to the world as you were mentioning before Slavey?
What’s the day-job of a barely educated conspiracy theorist, because we know you aren’t completely off the grid yet given that you’re posting here.
“Damn my lack of Shakespeare”
Knowledge of Shakespeare English does not help with basic phonics, in fact I think it does just the opposite.
Ahhh my shame explodes in my face
Hee.
NWO:
Again, no logic. You say everyone should pay their own way. Okay. What does that mean exactly? Again, should women pay by sex? If so, that makes them sluts. And if they don’t pay anything they are abusers. Presumably if men pay by sex they become sluts as well. So how do men and women go on a date without either of them being labeled as a slut or an abuser?
No, Slavey, you only perceive the insults because that’s how I respond to asshole trolls like you. The vast majority of the posters here are not asshole trolls, and my interactions with them are completely different — as you would be able to see for yourself if your head weren’t wedged firmly up your ass.
No, actually, the feminist movement is built on the idea that women are actual people, with self-determination and autonomy and freedom of choice. And some women ARE victimized, and that’s not okay, and we should change our culture to get rid of whatever it is that teaches men that it’s okay to hit women or treat them like dirt.
awww *hugs Johnny* I went thru a rly long and hard depression too :( and it was rly bad for almost half of my life (with suicide attempts) :( I’m glad you’re okay now :) I just chose you at random, I didn’t choose you b/c I assumed nething about your life :] I just mean that he talks a lot about how men and women lead lives that can be easily predicted by his grand unifying theory, so I want to see him apply it :D
Well okay, Victoria, but the whole fymynyst movement is built upon victim fetishes and how the poor martyred FUCKING wymyn can’t go from the house to the myilbox wythout being subjected to the “male gaze” or “catcalls” or being “eye raped” or whatever the fuck else.
Twisted little woman-hater. It baffles me why you even bother to defend yourself from the label “misogynist.” Why not be proud of who you are?
Yes, I would like to go out in public and be treated as a person instead of a fuck-toy. Yes, it bothers me when that is not the case. Yes, we’re taking action to make it less acceptable to treat women in public as your own personal fuck-toy.
What’s your fucking problem with that, Mral?
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant, women dress specifically to garnish attention. The load of self serving manure that serve is the want to “feel good” about themselves. If thats the case than they would dress that way every day when their home alone without fail. Unless they don’t want to “feel good” when their alone.
Now he’s replacing As w/ Ys xD
Very poe-etic
xD
If thats the case than they would dress that way every day when their home alone without fail. Unless they don’t want to “feel good” when their alone.
Been peeping in windows, NWOaf? Color me unsurprised.
“Ahhh my shame explodes in my face Mr. Kobold, if only a was a mature grown up like you. Tell me about how the world works.”
Well here’s a quick primer, there are people, and then there are clueless scabs like yourself in basements across the globe cobbling together dumb ideologies and theories in a vain attempt to convince themselves that they’re intelligent.
Also, your previously posted homophobia, plus the entire “shame exploding in my face” line, and the fact that we all know you are a lonely and bitter boy, makes me wonder if you’re whining and tiresome screeds against women is really more of cover-up for some basic facts about yourself that you haven’t come to grips with yet.
You are too clever for me Mr. Kobold. I’d use spell checker but I’m not even clever enough to know how.
I really come here to be internet close to so many brilliant minds, from politics to social issues to just plain old goodie goodness.
“You are too clever for me Mr. Kobold. I’d use spell checker but I’m not even clever enough to know how.
I really come here to be internet close to so many brilliant minds, from politics to social issues to just plain old goodie goodness.”
Glad to hear it kiddo.
@SallyStrange COOOOOMMMBOOOOO BREAKKEERRRR xD
WIN XDDDD
(david, you can delete my other comment, i forgot to change my name back xD )
NWO: gonna bother answering my question? A simple yes or no would suffice. You still haven’t explained what you mean by “pay your own way,” and how that’s somehow a method of avoiding being a slut/abuser.
I wonder what NWOslave thinks when he sees a woman in the grocery store without makeup, pj pants or baggy jeans, a tank top, flip flops and with her hair in a messy knot. ‘Cause I see women like that in the grocery store all the time. Hell, I’ve *been* that women in the grocery store a couple times.