Fear and loathing on a date
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The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
Posted on June 3, 2011, in antifeminism, evil women, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, sex. Bookmark the permalink. 426 Comments.
I don’t like fucking people who hate me. Call me crazy.
As you know, women often act like herd animals
Wow. that is… wow.
“As you know, women often act like herd animals
Wow. that is… wow.”
No its true, look at the media and how women take it so seriously. Look at the huge advertising industry that has built up around women and uses group psychology. Look at all the feminists complaining about how women are helpless to the media, look at womens social behavior, who is more likely to subscribe to religions, and quasi-religions..
We are all herd animals, social psychology tells us that, but its more present in women.
Geez, we’re not a herd, we’re a pack. There’s a difference.
“… women often act like herd animals…”
If you make loud enough noises we’ll stampede and grind men underfoot? Why would you ever desire to have sex with creatures like that?
Yeah, I agree with Sally. I really, really don’t understand the concept of hatesex. Likesex is so much more awesomer!
Damn, if you hate women that much, it would be far more honest to just pay for it and get your rocks off than to have sex with someone you hate just to get laid.
When MRA’s/PUA’s express their hatred of women by calling them “insecure lizard brained sex addicts” or some equivalent…they act just as lizard brained, if not more, by conducting entire conversations around having sex with women.
It’s like seeing a Stormfront member listen to Jazz music.
What I have never understood about this sort of thing is how a man maintains the necessary interest, euphemistically speaking, to engage in the only kind of sex that MRAs consider sex, when that man hates his partner.
Women, who have never actually said this and when I claim they said this tell me that I’m lying….
I mean, what? I wouldn’t ever claim to speak for all women, but some dude can speak for all women even while recognizing that when he expresses his opinions to actual women they disagree with him?
And the MRAs wonder why, when they can actually get sex, their chief complaint is that ‘she just lies there and doesn’t do anything.’
Sure, women are social animals, at least to the same extent men are. Yes, men and women are the same species of animal, just different sexes! Amazing! And, yeah, if you get a reputation for being a dick to women, women will probably tell each other to avoid you, and it will be harder to get dates. So good work, angry misogynist dude, for accurately identifying how humans work!
I’m not sure how he leaps from this to “but if I keep acting like a dick long enough, eventually all the women avoiding me will suddenly realize I’m awesome,” but it seems to be a common fantasy in MRA circles. Beats having to think of a new approach, I guess.
Amnesia: If you make loud enough noises we’ll stampede and grind men underfoot? Why would you ever desire to have sex with creatures like that?
For advanced Manboobzers, more “fun” can be had at MarkyMark’s Thought’sv (or, as I say, “Thoughts”), where he compares women to young fillies, in that, yanno … they’re easily spooked, prone to foundering, and pretty to look at, but you wouldn’t want to marry one! Brofive!
I’m surprised he didn’t work a Sarah Jessica Parker Joke in there. Protip: I may bite, and I have a mean back kick.
“Sincerity – if you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”
— George Burns
I’m always confused by dating advice or the complaints in our social narratives in TV shows, or like how a lot of ppl seem to think relationships and marriage should be (like in jokes, or how it’s like this social bonding thing where everybody is to joke about what a tyrant their wife is or what a bore their husband is? o_O or something? ) Why not just date people you get along w/? :\ Rather than complaining that the women you date like opera when you like sports, and you two have NOTHING in common, or vice versa.. or try to speculate on how to get into the pants of XYZ woman who wouldn’t agree with the philosophy that’s rly important to your life, why not just date like minded ppl? :o (I’m also confused by whether all women are ball busting feminists, or all women are anti-feminists and only the fat ugly ones are feminists… cuz it feels like the narrative keeps changing on that xD )
If you don’t want to date a dominant personality woman, then don’t. o_O I dun see the big deal xD Treating dating like a chore and over-thinking it like you’re Bill Belichik is kind of a hint that you might want to move on to one of the other fish in the sea wouldn’t it? :o
Also I’m a little confused about the reproduction thing. o_O Does he want SEX or does he want to just impregnate women? o_O
Why would gangs of angry anti-male women (who presumably would not have kids themselves) running around discouraging other people from having kids be an evolutionarily fit trait? o_O (much less how they pass on their genes xD )
“..view acceptance and appreciation from their peers.. to be important..”
Dudes, as well we know, fucking hate that shit. The LAST THING a man – particularly a man of the MRA persuasion – wants, is acceptance or appreciation. Not from other dudes, and most certainly not from the herds of roaming ladiebeests. Who are all massive bitches for their insufficient amounts of acceptance and appreciation of MRA dudes.
At least, I think that’s what he’s saying.
As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important.
I actually like this idea. xD From now on everybody here must bring in their husband and boyfriends to this forum for Supreme-Court judge like grilling, inspections and scientific experimentation :3
Each of us can be like a trial guardian… and he must pass thru us all (in some order) before he can be approved xD
I am the angel guardian of cats, hope and justice! :D You must prove that you have all 3 in your heart in order to pass. >:3
I can do hope and justice, but how do I get a cat in my heart? Do I have to get one really fat, and then eat it so it clogs up my arteries?
@Ami, justice or Justice? Because if he’s Anders, we’ll probably forgive him even for his borderline terrorist rebellion activities. Anders even gets extra points for his extreme devotion to cats, most particularly Ser Pounce-a-lot.
“Damn, if you hate women that much, it would be far more honest to just pay for it and get your rocks off than to have sex with someone you hate just to get laid.”
Prostitution is illegal most everywhere moron.
First wavers saw to that.
“I wouldn’t ever claim to speak for all women”
If you’re a feminist then you’re a liar. Feminists have ALWAYS claimed to speak for all women.
“And the MRAs wonder why, when they can actually get sex, their chief complaint is that ‘she just lies there and doesn’t do anything.’”
Inconsistent with the notion that creeps just want to drug up females and enjoy the ‘control’.
It was not just the first wavers who saw to it EW.
More than one jackass male in a pulpit denounced human sexuality because he thought girls were icky and led the way to outlaw prostitution.
Which I think is a perfectly acceptable thing as long as it is not being exploitative of either gender. In fact, I think it would help a lot of people out.
One Internet to DarkSideCat!
I’m all for the legalization and regulation of prostitution, and I bet many clients would also appreciate knowing that the brothel they’re visiting is safe and clean, and the workers are well taken care of.
I actually like this idea. xD From now on everybody here must bring in their husband and boyfriends to this forum for Supreme-Court judge like grilling, inspections and scientific experimentation
Terrible!!
My wife married a ZOMBIE!! How’s she going to fare in that kind of judgement?
I can do hope and justice, but how do I get a cat in my heart?
Imma gonna put one in my stomach, and hope it’s close enough.
Prostitution is illegal most everywhere moron.
yeah, that seems to have stopped it completely.
Shit, didn’t what Beth suggested occur in “Firefly”? If anything, that’s an awesome scenario, and there was a woman leading the whole thing.
“It was not just the first wavers who saw to it EW.
More than one jackass male in a pulpit denounced human sexuality because he thought girls were icky and led the way to outlaw prostitution.
Which I think is a perfectly acceptable thing as long as it is not being exploitative of either gender. In fact, I think it would help a lot of people out.”
So then what do you suppose is the reason for prostitution (the buying end in this case) being outlawed in Sweden? Or the banning of porn in Iceland?
A model feminist state is hardly the place to expect bible thumping jackass dudes to pull much weight.
Shall I tell you what the reason is?
It’s because when females age and start loosing their looks they become jealous of younger, prettier females.
They then do everything in their power to keep men from having sexual access to younger females.
Just as men do everything they can to hamstring other men in their quest for tail so too do women do to other women.
IF you’re one of the young and attractive (I doubt) then you are on the wrong side of the fence.
Everything’s a power struggle to you, isn’t it, EWME?
“Prostitution is illegal most everywhere moron.”
That may be, assmunch, but the fact remains that for a lot of your ilk, what’s a little illegality when you can get laid, which just the bare act lone seems to be your reason d’etre?
Wouldn’t the MRAS rather go to a hooker who gets paid to put up with you; no muss, no fuss, none of that icky having to get to know someone?
Or are you just completely cheap?
EW, re: women losing looks and being jealous, hence controlling the sex supply like some Vagina Cartel, are you fucking serious?
Just as men do everything they can to hamstring other men in their quest for tail so too do women do to other women.
Doesn’t the concept of the wingman fly in the face of this assertion?
“Doesn’t the concept of the wingman fly in the face of this assertion?”
Well, LVVS- No doy, men can work together in a team like that. They developed that skill through evolution while hunting mammoths.
Man, that Pussy Cartel just has its tentacles in everything, doesn’t it?
Everything’s a power struggle to you, isn’t it, EWME?
He operates on the assumption that everyone is just as depraved as he is.
Evil White Mal Empire, those are some interesting assertions you’re making regarding when prostitution has been criminalized, why for different jurisdictions why it’s been criminalized. I’m sure you have proper scholarly links to back up these assertions, correct?
I’m also sure you have the scholarly research to prove that human trafficking and the exploitation of poor women doesn’t happen, or that it does and the only reason feminists could possibly be against prostitution is that we’re jealous that we’re not being trafficked and exploited.
It’s a sad, sick little delusional world you live in. That much anger and hatred couldn’t possibly be good for you.
Really? Citation needed.
I mean, here I am being all feminist and woman-y and refusing to speak for all women. RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU!
But don’t worry, I’m sure your response will be to call me fat, dikey, and slutty. Live the dream.
It’s a terrible world that EWME lives in, where men are continuously hamstringing other men and women are hamstringing other women in order for a chance to have sex with someone they don’t even like very much.
I don’t believe being gay is a choice, but if the world worked the way EWME says it does, I’d give being a lesbian my best shot.
Captain Bathrobe, you have no idea the power the Pussy Cartel wields. I could tell you, but they’d kick me out and then I’d have to kill ya.
“Prostitution is illegal most everywhere moron.” –EW
So are rape and harassment. What’s your point?
But don’t worry, I’m sure your response will be to call me fat, dikey, and slutty. Live the dream. –amandajane5
Ugly. You forgot ugly.
And hairy! I must be losing it!
EW-you suffer from the same problem that NWOaf suffers from. In this case, you seem to have no clue why pornography is banned in Iceland-the people there do not like exploitation of women. I know, SHOCKING to want to prevent women from being anything more then receptacles of semen. How dare they actually expect to have all women treated with respect and not forced into prostitution.
I bet all the men are miserable and die young. Oh wait, no.
I also noticed you ignored the vast history of men who have tried to ban prostitution because of their own moral views. Because apparently the only people who ever try to ban something like prostitution are women trying to protect other women from being harmed.
Jesus Christ, what’s the problem? Men have needs, and if they must be sated with woman who they personally dislike, that is undesirable but better than abstinence. That’s all they’re saying.
Men have needs, and if they must be sated with woman who they personally dislike, that is undesirable but better than abstinence.
What about a woman’s need to be treated like an actual person; and her desire to only have sex with people who at least like her & respect her and don’t use her genitals as terms of insult?
And it’s not ‘personally dislike.’ That phrase means that you’ve gotten to know someone one-on-one and have decided that there’s some aspect of their personality that you don’t particularly care for. The correct word you’re looking for, which means ‘disliking an entire gender because of baseless bigotry and stereotypical assumptions’ is misogyny
Why would you want to have sex with someone you dislike/hate MRAL? Moreover, why would you lie to just get laid with that person you dislike/hate?
Also, is this woman unattractive to you?
wtf? The guy here was clearly talking about women who he personally dislikes, and made no comments about the gender as a whole.
Finally, a woman can choose who she has sex with, that doesn’t mean she gets to control her partner’s private thoughts, much as the feminist thought police would like to believe otherwise.
Posterformerly, the physical pleasure, obviously. It’s not ideal but if I was unable to get a relationship with someone I valued, you bet your ass I’d take sex with some idiot over nothing.
No, actually, he’s talking about women as a whole, and what a drag it is that you have to actually convince them to have sex with you, and that they might say ‘no’ if they realize what an asshole you are and how much you hate them.
If “men have needs,” then they can always masturbate. There’s no need to involve another person in your masturbation. If you’re looking for SEX rather than masturbation then you should have sex with someone you like. Otherwise you’re just treating your sex partner like an extension of your masturbating hand.
Entitlement at its finest: “I want to ejaculate but I’m too lazy to use my own hand, so you better do it for me, even though I despise you.” No thanks.
Mr. Al: Men have needs, and if they must be sated with woman who they personally dislike, that is undesirable but better than abstinence.
I don’t believe you. Liar! Whiner! Weak ass!
Finally, a woman can choose who she has sex with, that doesn’t mean she gets to control her partner’s private thoughts, much as the feminist thought police would like to believe otherwise.
I had sex with a guy who treated me like a piece of shit afterwards. I didn’t have sex with him again after that. Does that count as “feminist thought police”?
So if a chick slept with you MRAL and it turned out she was actively campaigning to have you put down for having a deformed eye (yes, I am exaggerating) but had lied to you in order to get you into bed, you would be okay with being used like that?
if I was unable to get a relationship with someone I valued
But you don’t value women.
Or is your only metric of a person’s value how often they put out for you and refrain from disagreeing with you?
you bet your ass I’d take sex with some idiot over nothing.
I feel sorry for the so-called ‘idiot’, then.
And look at the link I posted, I really want your opinion on it MRAL.
Or is your only metric of a person’s value how often they put out for you and refrain from disagreeing with you?
That and whether she’s fat.
I think it’s the author’s obvious contempt for women that is bothering people here.
Firstly, I can’t even tell what the picture in that link is supposed to be? A woman I guess? I can barely tell. So the answer is no.
Secondly, masturbation and sex are different. If I want to have sex, it’s my damn right to go and and seek out consensual sexual relations, no matter what kind of horrible person you think I am.
Finally, I do value women who are not bitches or fat chicks.
Finally, I do value women who are not bitches or fat chicks.
Not a trace of irony, folks. None.
You need to get your eyes checked MRAL because that was clearly a woman. *rolls eyes*
CB-that requires some kind of sense and sensibility. Would the lady in the photos I posted look better if she was holding some bacon though?
If I want to have sex, it’s my damn right to go and and seek out consensual sexual relations, no matter what kind of horrible person you think I am.
No one’s saying that you don’t have the right to try; we’re just saying, don’t be surprised if the women you go for do in fact decide that you’re a horrible person they’d rather not sleep with, once they pick up on your thinly veiled contempt for them.
Finally, I do value women who are not bitches
Well, considering your going definition of ‘bitch’ is ‘woman who won’t sleep with me or say hi to me in an elevator’, I think I’m pretty well accurate in my summation of what sort of woman you value.
We’re all bitches and fat chicks, Mr. Al. Even if it doesn’t seem that way. Eventually we’re all going to do something bitchy and gain some weight. So no, you don’t value women, you’re a disgusting, pathetic, misogynist wretch who gets his rocks off by being abused by anonymous women on the internet. You’d probably have a better experience if you owned up to your neurosis and just sprung for a professional dominatrix.
Would the lady in the photos I posted look better if she was holding some bacon though?
Well, I rather think that’s a given. :)
Secondly, masturbation and sex are different.
Not if you’re treating your sex partner like a fleshlight or a dildo.
1. Sex is not a need. You will not die without it. You’ll probably just have more wet dreams, if anything.
2. If my looks get too loose, I can always just tighten them. No biggie. (OMFG LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “LOOSE” AND “LOSE”)
3. @Zombie They say the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach, so if you put it there it’ll reach the heart eventually. Right? Or is it different for zombies?
You meant “I value women who aren’t bitches and fat chicks and who don’t spit on me.”
So no, you don’t value women, you’re a disgusting, pathetic, misogynist wretch who gets his rocks off by being abused by anonymous women on the internet.
I kind of see him as the kid who keeps acting up in class because of the attention it brings him. I mean, how many threads on this blog have become the MRAL Therapy Hour? He’s got an amazing talent for making the discussion all about him and his issues. Sometimes I feel bad for feeding the troll, but I hope at least some lurkers might pick up a few tips.
You’d probably have a better experience if you owned up to your neurosis and just sprung for a professional dominatrix.
Aw, I don’t think being into BDSM is a neurosis, per se. And dominatrices have a finely honed bullshit radar. Believe me, no one can spot a misogynist coming like an S&M worker. That doesn’t mean she won’t still take your money (she’s got bills, too), but they’re really, really hard to fool.
a. I’m not being abused, for the last few weeks I’ve been having fairly good intellectual conversation, IMO.
b. Posterformerly… OK? What was the point of showing me an image of a regular woman? Yes, she’s fairly attractive.
Sorry, didn’t mean to imply that a taste for BDSM is the same thing as a neurosis. I should know better. Thanks, Lady VVS. I do think that servicing Mral’s insecurities is hard enough work that someone should be getting paid for it. Not me, though. I’m just going to make fun of him.