Arnold Schwarzenegger’s adultery: Blame the bitches!
Non-stop fun indeed!
Poor Arnold Schwarzenegger!
Picture the scene.
It’s January 1997. Arnold’s in a good mood, sitting in his den, paging through the latest issue of Variety. He chuckles to himself. Fuck the critics! Jingle All the Way is putting asses in the seats of the multiplexes of America, and that means money in the bank to the Terminator.
Suddenly, he hears the door to the room click shut behind him. It’s that devious maid again, with her wily, sexy Latin ways! “Que pasa?” she says, running her hands through his hair. He’s still not quite sure what that phrase means, exactly, but it seems to have a hypnotic effect on him, and his penis. He pulls the maid to him.
The next minute and a half are a blur. “Curses!” he mutters to himself, as he realizes that, once again, the wily maid has lured his hapless penis into her vaginal cavity. But it’s too late. The penis has released its precious load. “Me han robado tu esperma,” she hisses. “¿Dónde está la biblioteca?”
This, give or take a few of the details, seems to be how the author of the Rebuking Feminism blog imagines the events that led to the birth of Arnold’s love-child 14 years ago. Yep: in his version of events, it’s the women – both the maid, Patty Baena, and wife Maria – who are responsible for Arnold’s indiscretions:
Maria Shriver should have known better than to let any half way decent looking woman spend so much time in the house. The whole ballgame changes when a man reaches Arnold’s status. Women come begging to be f***ed by you. Women practically disrobe and spread when guys like Arnold walk in the room. I’m sure he abstained plenty of times but women like this maid wait for her opportunity when in such close proximity.
It’s tough, I guess, to be a freakishly huge, fabulously wealthy alpha male who wants to fuck everything in sight. But tougher indeed to be a beta:
As is quite common with the type of situation that took place with Arnold, I’m sure this little whore took her prized bastard back home to be raised by her oblivious, committed, and cuckolded beta male husband.
Some people might say, hey, isn’t Arnold partially to blame for cuckolding that little whore’s cuckolded beta male husband? No. It’s important to remember: he’s a victim too, and obviously not responsible for the sexual activity that Mrs. Baena lured him into with her fiery Latin vagina.
Maria may now file for divorce. The only people to end up completely fu*ked here will be the two men…Arnold for engaging in adultery (and the price only men have to pay for it) and the man that was cuckolded by his adulterous whore wife and will have to pay for it as well. Men bear liability to women on both sides of the equation. Men have no rights.
Now all Maria and Patty need to do is sit back and collect the cash. Ka-ching-gle All the Way!
EDITED TO ADD: The author of the post has added a response to my post as a addendum to his original post. The gist of it:
Arnold and his impropriety was not the intended focus of this article. I take it as common knowledge among my readers that what Arnold did was obviously wrong. This was not the point of the article.
The point of this article was to illustrate how adultery is supported by law on one end (the female end) and not supported by law on the male end.
Posted on May 22, 2011, in antifeminism, bad boys, beta males, evil women, I'm totally being sarcastic, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, precious bodily fluids, sex, sluts, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 674 Comments.
Arnie, dude, you can’t be against abortion and in favor of deadbeatdadhood. You gotta pick one.
“Actually modern feminism (in the US at any rate) is thought to have begun in 1848 with the Seneca Falls Convention–which demanded, among other things, the right to vote.”
Women did not “demand” the right to vote, they asked for it. Men never protested women’s right to vote….women did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-suffragism
Amazing isn’t it Arnie. It’s like if men die it has no meaning to her at all. Actually I could be wrong when I said women don’t think abstract. To her maybe when men die it’s like an abtract thought. Like a little theoretical puzzle; Why did the mans shovel break when he was digging my sewage pipe? Who cares get a new one and fix my plumbing. I guess it doesn’t really matter when you look at that way.
Women did not “demand” the right to vote, they asked for it. Men never protested women’s right to vote….women did.
This is plainly factually untrue, but it’s also important to note that the existence of women anti-suffragists doesn’t change the fact that women deserved to vote and were denied it. Feminism isn’t “women against men.” It’s more like women against injustice.
“Arnie, dude, you can’t be against abortion and in favor of deadbeatdadhood. You gotta pick one.”
I’m pro abortion. Abortion means you get to absolve yourself of the responsibility and ramifications of unplanned pregnancy. Sex and conception being a mutual act requiring mutual responsibility then under abortion both sexes should have the right to abort such responsibility. By the way, there is nothing “deadbeat” about abortion, it’s simply a human right.
Ok Arnie: Then a woman who doesn’t want kids should have the right to have him vasectomised.
Right… I mean it’s only a little snip. A whole lot less invasive than getting her tubes tied, and there isn’t any risk to him that she might actually go through with it.
Heck… if he he doesn’t want the responsibilities of a kid, he could do it himself (well, ok, he probably ought to see a urologist, not do it at home with a bottle of rubbing acohol, an X-Acto Knife and buttonhole twist).
That would be taking proactive responsibility.
Because, as we keep pointing out, the money a non-custodial parent has to pay… isn’t for the custodial parent. It’s right there in the name: Child Support.
Not, Ex-support, not alimony, not “I won the lottery money”, but child support.
And the deadbeats who walk away, aren’t changing diapers. Aren’t cleaning up puke, or dealing with earaches, and the flu, and homework, and clothes, and busted libs, nor any of the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to.
No, the parent who manages to skip out is living free and easy. No problem explaining to a date that, “I have to go home now, because the sitter has to leave at 11.” No sideways looks at the market because there isn’t a partner.
Nope.
So, “be a man” and own up to it. Being an adult means accepting the responsibilities that accrue to an action.
If he didn’t want to take a chance on kids, he could have kept in his pants, used a rubber, or gotten a vasectomy.
If he doesn’t, well he made his bed, he can lie in it.
@David, I have a longer comment on NWO and katz’s failure on the history of coal mining held up in moderation, I think because of the number of links.
Oh, and NWO, I dare you to say that shit to a woman who’s lost her father, grandfather, husband, boyfriend… I double dog dare you.
Women don’t care when men die so you won’t care if I give her a piece of rebar and close the door, will you?
“So, “be a man” and own up to it. Being an adult means accepting the responsibilities that accrue to an action.”
No, abortion allows one to absolve oneself the responsibility. I fully agree that both sexes have the right to abort.
“If he didn’t want to take a chance on kids, he could have kept in his pants, used a rubber, or gotten a vasectomy.”
Well that would make sex and conception a non mutual act requiring non mutual responsibility and that’s not fair of course. Sex and conception is not something a man does to a woman.
“If he doesn’t, well he made his bed, he can lie in it.”
So you are anti abortion or just anti abortion for men?
Arnie, everyone here already knows that it was women who didn’t want the vote, but that doesn’t matter. That icky part of history must be rewritten so men can be oppressors. Hatred must be maintained.
On a happy note ladies you’ll be thrilled to learn that in the new history textbooks the term “founding fathers” has been stricken from the textbooks. Those evil white male oppressors will now be known as the “founders.” Thank the goddess. And thanking the goddess is great because goddess worship is celebrating the goddess in you.
“I fully agree that both sexes have the right to abort.”
So do I! Next time you get pregnant Arnie, I fully support your right to have an abortion.
“the existence of women anti-suffragists doesn’t change the fact that women deserved to vote and were denied it.”
No, they never asked for it. Can you show me any law that denied women the right to vote?
Arnie – The difference about “abortion for men” is that (unless the woman consents to a medical procedure that she didn’t want to be performed on her body) the kid still exists. It still has to eat and wear clothes and go to school.
An aborted fetus doesn’t have needs and doesn’t accrue expenses. A child does. It’s not comparable.
Arnie your logic is flawed unless men are oppressors and women are victims. Remember the defining laws of marxist feminism. Men are the burguiouse oppressor class and women are the peasant victim class. This is rule #1.
“So do I! Next time you get pregnant Arnie, I fully support your right to have an abortion.”
How does the fact that a woman is carrying the child have anything to do with affecting her choice to not have it? How does this make a man any more culpable or responsible for the situation? Men don’t have a responsibility to women in this regard just like women don’t have a responsibility to men in the same. Each sex has the EQUAL right to abort such responsibility.
Where is your objection here?
Arnie – Laws barring women from voting existed in many states:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_US_Suffrage,_1920.svg
The Nineteenth Amendment wasn’t exactly superfluous.
“How does the fact that a woman is carrying the child have anything to do with affecting her choice to not have it? How does this make a man any more culpable or responsible for the situation? Men don’t have a responsibility to women in this regard just like women don’t have a responsibility to men in the same. Each sex has the EQUAL right to abort such responsibility.
Where is your objection here?”
Obviously you didn’t see what Holly wrote. I’ll just repeat it for you.
“An aborted fetus doesn’t have needs and doesn’t accrue expenses. A child does. It’s not comparable.”
And that would be the objection.
This is quite a tag team match o_o;;;
Holly w/ the tag… Pecunium’s in with a stiff right elbow to Arnie’s jaw… Arnie stumbles back but counters w/ a right hook! He takes Pecunium into the corner and wails away, but Pecunium dodges the last punch and grabs him into a reverse suplex! Here’s the pin! 1… 2… oh he kicked out!
Pecunium brings Arnie back to his feet and irish whips him but Arnie dodges the clothesline and returns w/ a flying elbow! Both men are down now! Both parners are screaming for the tag! They’re crawling to their corners! Arnie’s reaching for the tag… reaching… here’s the tag! NWO is in! He rushes at Pecunium and stomps on him before he can make the tag to Holly! He keeps stomping him on the ground! Oh my gawd Pecunium is a mess! NWO off the ropes now with a running elbow drop! PECUNIUM ROLLS OUT OF THE WAY!
NWO is rolling on the ground in pain! Holly’s screaming for the tag…. Pecunium’s crawling.. trying to get to her… NWO is recovering… getting back up … Pecunium lunges.. here’s the tag!
Holly in like a house on fire! Strong right hands to NWO’s head! Irish whip into a clothesline! NWO stumbles back up and into a chicken wing suplex! OH MY LAWD that had to hurt! Here’s the pin… 1… 2.. but NWO kicks out! Folks we have a slobber knocker tonight!
” The difference about “abortion for men” is that (unless the woman consents to a medical procedure that she didn’t want to be performed on her body) the kid still exists. ”
Well then consent or don’t it’s your choice remember? You are making men more responsible in order to enable your choices. This is not equality. Men are no more responsible for conception as women are. Again, it is a mutual act requiring mutual responsibility and the equal choice to absolve ourselves from it. However, he should be required to help pay for the abortion right down the middle. Equal is equal in all realms.
It’s my choice? I’m not a woman Arnie. What is my choice is the choice to get a vasectomy if I want to be 100% sure I don’t someday become responsible for creating a human life.
Hey Holly, how does one of the perfect ones make the distinction from disposable fetus to a seperate living being that she carries?
I mean is it a spiritual thingy? Is there lights and cosmic forces and Indianna Jones stuff going on? I’d actually like to be present when a woman who has decided to get an abortion, (therefore that fetus is considered dead) but she changes her mind and that formerly dead fetus is given life by sheer willpower.
Are you women just stringing us men along when really you simply create life by mere thought? Gosh you are great.
How does the fact that a woman is carrying the child have anything to do with affecting her choice to not have it?
Holy shit, dude, really? I mean, were you honestly able to type that question out with a straight face?
Arnie: If it wasn’t male opposition to the vote that kept women from getting it… why did it take 60 years for the men (who were the only one’s who could decide the issue… they being the one’s with the vote), to actually “give” it to the women.
Maybe it was because they didn’t want to.
As to abortion: I am in favor of it. What you call, “male abortion” isn’t abortion. It’s abandonment. That, or it’s compelling a woman to have a surgical procedure for his benefit.
It’s a violation of her autonomy. Him using a condom, or finding a partner who also doesn’t want kids, or has the same ideas on what to do if there is an accidental pregnancy… that’s what grown-ups do.
Little kids, and other morally undeveloped people, refuse to look at the consequences of their actions, and then try to put all the responsibilities for resolving them onto other people.
So go on, keep bleating, “make abortion would make things ‘equal’,” but that’s a shabby lie. It’s a way to force your choice onto someone else (i.e. she has to get an abortion) or abdicate the responsibility to the child.
So yeah, if a man is careless enough to not plan against the possibilities, or how to cope with them, he is stuck.
Just as with anything else. Plan for the possible, and cope with it when it comes. Amazingly, I’ve managed to avoid being an inadvertent parent. 28 years of having sex, and no unwanted kids. It’s not that hard.
If there had been an accident, then guess what… It’s not my call. I made the decision to have sex, and I took reasonable precautions to either prevent (or not) children. But it’s not my body.
It might have been my money, but it was never going to be my body. She is pregnant. She is the one who bear that risk (or not). That final choice (to keep, or not) is hers.
And if there were an unplanned for kid… That child needs food, and clothes, and care, and shelter, and all the other things which people need.
If I was there for that, then I had a hand in it, and I see nothing wrong in being compelled (if I should flake) to provide for those needs.
“It’s my choice? I’m not a woman Arnie. What is my choice is the choice to get a vasectomy if I want to be 100% sure I don’t someday become responsible for creating a human life.”
Wow, what a gentleman. Taking responsibility for a mutual act involving mutual responsibility is pretty gracious of you. Couldn’t you just as easily sterilize her and make her responsible for this mutual act and it’s ramifications? I guess that’s not the manly thing to do huh?
Arnie,
I don’t know whether I agree or disagree with your argument that men should have the same right as women to “abort” parental responsibility, a part of me thinks if I were to get pregnant and have options, so should the man I slept with (which is why in our current legal situation I would discuss the available options with him), but anothe part of me thinks that once there is a child, there is a child who needs love and support (both emotional and financial).
However, I do have a couple of comments on the idea of male “abortions” and how they would have to work to be truly equal to the right to an abortion women currenty have.
First, women are required to go to a specific clinic to have an abortion (unless it is medically necessary). In the state I live in, there are only three such clinics available, so women who want an abortion are required to physically show up at an abortion clinic (which may be hours from where they actually live) and face the stigma of having an abortion. If men want to “abort” their parental rights, they should have to show up at the same place to complete whatever paperwork is required.
Second, many states impose strict requirements on who actually is able to have an abortion. Some states require a woman to show up at the clinic, request an abortion, have a sonogram and hear the description of the fetus development, wait two days, and then come back. Some states require parental consent if the woman is under age 18 (with the option of a judicial bypass if necessary). For a male “abortion,” the requirements should be the same.
Third, women are not allowed to get an abortion whenever they want during a pregnancy. In the first trimester, there are few (if any) restrictions, but after that, most states impose heavy restrictions. Practically speaking, for many women this restricts their right to an abortion to the first trimester. Some women (I’m not saying most, I’m saying some) aren’t even aware they are pregnant at this point. Some women aren’t able to get in to the clinic. Some women haven’t made their choice. Men should have the same time restrictions as women. By this, I don’t mean that men should have a specific amount of time after learning that they have impregnanted a woman. I mean that if a man finds out that a woman he slept with is pregnant in her first trimester, great, abort away. If not, sorry, but the state imposes restrictions on us all.
Finally, abortions aren’t free. In fact, abortions can be quite expensive depending on the timing in the pregnancy. Men who want to “abort” their parental rights should have to pay the same amoutn as it would cost to have a medical abortion. I’m not sure who they should have to pay this amount to, but they should have to pay.
Those are just a few of my thoughts on how your theory of a male abortion would have to work to be truly “equal.” Again, not sure if I agree with it, but I am sure that it should be as difficult for men as it is for women to exercise their “right.”
NWO – Would you stop with the sarcasm and insults? Seriously. I disagree with you, but I don’t call you “a slobbering asshole who thinks he’s Lord God King of Ur” every single time I refer to you. That would get old.
Obviously I don’t think women are perfect. And I assume you don’t think women are perfect. So I guess you think women think they’re perfect, and how the fuck do you argue with that?
And the answer to your question is actually fairly difficult and fuzzy, but most abortions take place when the fetus looks like this: (warning, ucky picture!)
It’s not exactly a bouncing baby going “ma ma,” at that point. Deciding that this is a human is entirely as arbitrary as deciding that it’s not.
NWO and katz’s failure on the history of coal mining
Hey! I didn’t say anything about the history of coal mining. I just pointed out that NWO said that women shouldn’t work in coal mines for their safety, and then in his next comment wanked that nobody cares about men’s safety.
Hey Arnie… look at this: Taking responsibility for a mutual act involving mutual responsibility is pretty gracious of you.
You know that looks like… I mean really, the semantic content…
That both people are responsible for the kid.
You DO agree with me.
That makes me feel so much better. Go you.
“If it wasn’t male opposition to the vote that kept women from getting it… why did it take 60 years for the men (who were the only one’s who could decide the issue… they being the one’s with the vote), to actually “give” it to the women.”
Well you say men as if it was all inclusive, most men did not have the right to vote. Men won their right to vote some short years before women did. Well in our case I think it was about 80 years.
Pecunium off the top rope with a LOGIC BOMB on Arnie!!! The pin… here’s the count…
ONE….
TWO…
Also, it’s not perfectly 50/50 when it comes to the creation of the child. The man certainly does supply some of his own body in the beginning, but from then on out, it’s the woman’s body doing all the work. The idea behind abortion rights is that it’s her right to decide if she wants to put her body through that or not – and once the baby is here, then she’s on the hook as a parent just as much as the father is.
How does the fact that a woman is carrying the child have anything to do with affecting her choice to not have it?
“Holy shit, dude, really? I mean, were you honestly able to type that question out with a straight face?”
So you are saying that just because an abortion for a woman is a bit of a pain in the ass men should be removed of all our rights to avoid this pain of women? Isn’t this what killed so many men on the Titanic. When does the chivalry stop and equal rights begin?
Men won their right to vote some short years before women did. Well in our case I think it was about 80 years.
Sometimes Arnie logic bombs HIMSELF.
There were a bunch of comments in moderation; they’re up now. Worth scrolling up to read.
No Holly, land owning males were not allowed to vote. Coming out of feudal times and toward democracy many men did not own land. The vast majority of men did not have the right to vote as and women did not either.
Men won their right to vote sometime before women did in all democratic nations.
Men died on the Titanic because women have the right to choose? Bzuh?
The fact that the woman is carrying the child has everything to do with her right to choose. I don’t think I’ve ever managed to see so much misogyny squished into one little sentence before.
Sorry, meant “non land owning men were not allowed to vote”
No Holly, theres no fuzziness about it. If you were aborted you would be dead and you wouldn’t be posting here. No person has the right to kill another and that is exactly what abortion is. You’ve told me before that you go to some type of religeous class. So you must be spiritually moral in some fashion. This my body my choice crap is a State endorsed moral that goes directly against your faith.
Holly: Mostly Arnie just bombs. I mean really… How does the fact that a woman is carrying the child have anything to do with affecting her choice to not have it?
Then he tries to defend it. One almost feels sorry for him, then one realises this is actually the way he thinks, and well… one pretty much has to feel sorry for him.
Yeah, Arnie, a lot of men were denied the right to vote. And you know what? That sucked. Because no adult citizen should be denied the right to vote.
…what were we even fucking talking about?
“The fact that the woman is carrying the child has everything to do with her right to choose. I don’t think I’ve ever managed to see so much misogyny squished into one little sentence before.”
There is nothing about male right to abortion that affects women’s right to choose. Abortion serves to reach the same ends for both sexes. A woman does not have to get an abortion just because the man did.
“Yeah, Arnie, a lot of men were denied the right to vote. And you know what? That sucked. Because no adult citizen should be denied the right to vote.”
“…what were we even fucking talking about?”
I think we were talking about women’s experience in the human condition being something separate from the experience of men and how men are responsible for the human condition of us both and women are not and were not.
NWO – If you were aborted you would be dead and you wouldn’t be posting here.
Er, yes. I am in awe of your reasoning powers. But you know what? If I had never been conceived I also wouldn’t be here. I think that before a fetus has reached a certain level of “consciousness,” (and that is a super fuzzy thing to determine), it’s not a human being but only the potential of a human being. And any sperm and egg have that potential, but you can’t claim that it’s murder to simply not have sex.
Also, the State thing has shit-all to do with it; states generally make abortion much harder to obtain than an anarchist/libertarian society would.
“Wow, what a gentleman. Taking responsibility for a mutual act involving mutual responsibility is pretty gracious of you. Couldn’t you just as easily sterilize her and make her responsible for this mutual act and it’s ramifications? I guess that’s not the manly thing to do huh?”
And you would be right, it’s not. It would also be inhumane.
Arnie – I think we were talking about women’s experience in the human condition being something separate from the experience of men and how men are responsible for the human condition of us both and women are not and were not.
Well, that’s not true, of course. (At least the second half; being a woman is a different experience, although I wish it weren’t.) We agree. Shake hands?
Nope. Well, maybe you were. The rest of us were talking about how it’s ridiculous that you blame everything from accidental pregnancy to deaths on the Titanic to women not being able to vote on women.
“Also, it’s not perfectly 50/50 when it comes to the creation of the child. The man certainly does supply some of his own body in the beginning, but from then on out, it’s the woman’s body doing all the work. The idea behind abortion rights is that it’s her right to decide if she wants to put her body through that or not – and once the baby is here, then she’s on the hook as a parent just as much as the father is.”
Abortion is not about a woman’s body but the body of a child and as such the property rights over the child. Women claim their own bodies and their property, the body of children as their property and the body of men and the fruits of its labor as their property.
I’m tell you that children are not women’s property and neither is the body of men. It’s not really that hard to understand….unless you’re a woman.
Arnie: Sorry, meant “non land owning men were not allowed to vote”
Wrong again. By 1850 the restrictions on property were, to all intents and purposes, gone.
Care to try again?
Hey no problem Holly, if that “thou shall not kill” thingy is a tad inconvient just pick and choose when you “feel” it works for ya.
NWO breaks up the pin! The ref is up yelling at him now! Pecunium is angry! He picks up Arnie but Arnie elbows him in the ribs! Wait.. what’s going on… Arnie’s slipping out of the ring… he’s coming over here…
What? What’s going on JR? What does Arnie want?
I have no idea King… he’s grabbing the microphone… ladies and gentlemen I don’t know what’s… what?
Oh my god JR, he’s declaring that this match is no longer one fall, but a first blood match! Can he do that!?
I don’t know King! Holly seems confused! Folks, this is bizarre! Arnie just left the ring and declared that the rules of the match have changed! This is unprecedented! Don’t turn away, we’ll be right back!
Holly, I can’t help but think of NWO singing this
oops, this! http://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk
Abortion is not about a woman’s body
Surgery done on women isn’t about women’s bodies?
Seriously, I don’t even know how to argue with that.
NWO – So why aren’t you conceiving a baby right now? (I mean, I thank God you’re not, I’m just saying.) Do you know how many potential human lives you’re destroying–how many babies will never be born–and maybe one will cure cancer–because of your callous actions? DISGUSTING!
I do actually feel a bit conflicted about late-term abortions, but in early pregnancy, there’s little to “morally” distinguish an embryo from the mere potential of an embryo, and the loss of potential is not murder.
“Wrong again. By 1850 the restrictions on property were, to all intents and purposes, gone.”
“Care to try again?”
So men received their right to vote in 1850 is what you are saying…and your point is what?
Arnie, our point is that you seem to be saying “women have never been oppressed, but they should be!”, and I can only conclude that it is Opposite Day.
(Which, by inference, means that it’s not Opposite Day.)
You seem to be unaware that this conversation happens across the country on an extremely frequent basis. I know of at least one woman who got pregnant and really really wanted to keep the baby, but the father made it abundantly clear that he was not interested in being a parent. So Planned Parenthood to the rescue on that one.
Most women don’t see men as walking wallets they can extract child support from; women generally want co-parents for their children. If the father makes it clear that he’s not interested in being a parent, that already factors into her decision to have a baby or not.
Also, how is this ‘paper abortion’ in the best interests of the child? Does a child’s right to be fed, clothed, educated and maintained in a reasonable standard of living trump a man’s right to fuck whomever he wants? (I can hear your screeching already, NWOslave, and in response I say that a fetus is not a child and therefore inapplicable to discussions of children who have been born and find themselves with needs).
And then I just read “abortion is not about a woman’s body.”
I’m done here, there are cats to be played with and it’s a beautiful sunny day outside. Peace!
Holly, is that the best you can do as an arguement for death. A “potential” life? What faith is you prescribe to Holly? Wiccan?
Hey no problem Holly, if that “thou shall not kill” thingy is a tad inconvient just pick and choose when you “feel” it works for ya.
OK, so NWO is against all military actions, capital punishment, police carrying lethal weapons, etc.
Except that it actually says “You shall not murder.”
Surgery done on women isn’t about women’s bodies?
Seriously, I don’t even know how to argue with that.
So you are saying that men are more responsible for the mutual act of conception than women are. This is where we differ. I believe that sex and conception are mutual acts requiring mutual responsibility. You are saying that a woman carries more responsibility because she carries the child. The whole point of abortion is to absolve ourselves from responsibility.
You are saying that women are the only individuals who have the right to do that and I disagree. It’s not your baby your choice. The child is not your property and the choice of ramifications of it’s birth are not your right to place upon someone else. Men have no right to place it on you either this is why we should be allowed to walk away from the thing or simply kill it.
Commissioner Victoria von Syrus is coming to the ring now! Thank gawd, she’ll bring some rationality to this…
Oh no JR! What’s she doing here!?
Apparently she’s saying Arnie can’t change the match and is making the rules clear to NWO as well King.
This is horrible JR! I knew it was a bad idea to have a female commissioner!
NWO – I’m culturally Jewish but philosophically a pantheist and believe that the universe itself is a manifestation of God.
Yeah, use “but your own dogma says…” about that.
Anyway, I have a question for you to (presumably not) answer: Do you think that a petri dish of sperm, and a petri dish of eggs, standing next to each other, are human? Would it be “murder” to refuse to combine them and implant all the embryos?
Gee Katz, when you knowingly with willful intent snuff out a seperate life that is murder. Unless women are going to abortion clinics, getting abortions, than claiming ignorance.
And then I just read “abortion is not about a woman’s body.”
“I’m done here, there are cats to be played with and it’s a beautiful sunny day outside. Peace!”
Go ahead, keep thinking that men are responsible to absolve ourselves of rights and choices in order to enable yours or to alleviate you from the inconvenience of abortion. This is the same type of thinking that got men killed on the Titanic. Women, women’s welfare, safety, protection and provision are no more important than a man’s..we are equals.
Arnie – I respectfully submit to you that if any man wants to terminate his responsibilities while the woman gives birth, that man should have to shit a canteloupe.
And then diaper it and feed it for three years.
@Holly | May 25, 2011 at 3:58 pm
All time dumbest question ever put forth. WOW.
Lets try to distill Arnie’s arguments:
Men should be able to have sex. (I agree)
Women who get pregnant can either get an abortion, or not. (I agree).
If a man wants to walk away (which he calls, “abortion”) he should be able to.
If he walks away, the woman has to cope. (nb Arnie seems to think that walking away is an option which lasts longer than a pregnancy).
If the man walks away, the woman can 1: get an abortion (see above, regarding the problems of timeline); 2: Support the child on her own; 3: Give it up for adoption (see above the problem regarding timeline).
The child, of course doesn’t figure into his equations. He seems to think a child is, “property.”
He also said, “Taking responsibility for a mutual act involving mutual responsibility is pretty gracious of you. Couldn’t you just as easily sterilize her and make her responsible for this mutual act and it’s ramifications? which implies that walking away from a responsibility isn’t just.
So, either he thinks it’s unfair to force someone else to pay 100 percent for something they weren’t 100 percent responsible for causing, or he believes the nonsense about “male abortion”.
I suspect it’s the latter, and his attempt at a witty comeback stabbed him in the foot.
Re. the conversation that happens when men wish their partner who has decided to bear their child had aborted instead, and when men wish their partner who has decided to abort had bore their child instead: It always seems that at least some of this anger and frustration is predicated on their inability to see the woman as an equal partner-human being who can be talked to before sex. It’s like, Holy crap! I was just trying to get my rocks off, and I have this secret vision of the future/morals/children, and now there’s this woman-creature who is ruining everything what with her own ideas of what she wants!
Just fricking talk to your partner before having sex with them. Is it that hard?
Re. financial abortions: Nice way to really fuck up a kid longterm, anyway, if that’s what you were trying to do.
“Also, how is this ‘paper abortion’ in the best interests of the child? Does a child’s right to be fed, clothed, educated and maintained in a reasonable standard of living trump a man’s right to fuck whomever he wants?”
Well it is women’s ultimate decision isn’t it. What choice will you choose after a man aborts his half?