Desperately Seeking Übermenschen
Hey ladies!
The general line amongst manosphere misogynists is that American women are a bunch of stuck-up princesses whose “ginas” – that is, vaginas – tingle only in the presence of “thugs” and “alpha males.” But one YouTube ranter calling himself LogicJunkie has a somewhat different theory, as he recently explained in a note to the moderator of the Happier Abroad forums. American women, it turns out, are basically all Nazis at heart, “preoccupied with … eugenic perfection in males.” Let’s follow LogicJunkie’s, er, logic:
American females regard as a “creep” any guy who isn’t at least six feet tall, with a pronounced chin, a jock physique, and, in general, Ken doll good Aryan looks. And money is important, too, but not nearly as important as the physiological eugenics. So, in good Germanic fashion, I think what they’re mainly concerned about, is somehow being contaminated by the mere presence of the inferior. …
America is, now more than ever, a Germano-eugenicist death camp, wrapped in the facade of “capitalism” and “corporatism” and “pop culture” and blah, blah, blah. But it’s all about covertly advancing the genetic omnipresence of the Teutonic physiological ideal.
I hate to poop on LogicJunkie’s logic here but, dude, if all the women you’re meeting turn out to be eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis, it does not therefore follow that all American women are eugenics-obsessed, Aryan-fetishizing Nazis. It may just mean you should stop cruising for chicks at Klan meetings.
Posted on May 5, 2011, in douchebaggery, evil women, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, western women suck. Bookmark the permalink. 424 Comments.
Actually, one study conducted by “Nature” determined that Wikipedia tends to be as accurate as your average mass produced encyclopedia.
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html
@Kave
I’ll answer again while none of my questions are ever answered.
The result os an abortion is a dead baby, contrary to what you TV tells you, many men prefer to have a live child. Like being a father means you need a child.
Single mother is pretty much the same answer, when you are forbidden by law from seeing your child. Or having visitation right, sometimes supervised, it could kinda stick in your craw.
@Johnny
Cruise on over to “butterfly kisses.” Which is an organization; basically the female counterpart to NAMBLA and I’m sure you find a study that says female on female pedophelia is just whiz bang good stuff.
@zombie rotten mcdonald
And isn’t that exactly the point. YOU sent over a coupla “corrections” and it changed. As if a fact can change because of an opinion given by a random person. Yea, that makes for some fine fact gathering.
What does that have to do with wikipedia? There is a difference between a self-governing open source website where information is regulated by a multidirectional discourse and a website promoting an organization that has no real discourse to speak of.
And anyway, as I said, peer reviewed journals have verified the general reliability of wikipedia. Most prominent wikipedia articles concerning the hard, soft, and social sciences provide sources.
Not to say that I would use it to source my thesis or anything. But for constructing ad hoc arguments, it seems pedantic to discount reliably sourced information simply because it comes from wikipedia. Frankly, the discussion here is not worth sifting through Academic Search Premier.
And anyway, if they did go search through something like Academic Search Premier and find the direct source from the peer reviewed journal, you’d probably still discount it as ivory tower hokum and feminist claptrap anyway.
@law1204…”Beginning with the fact that MRAers constantly lament about how repellent women are both morally and physically”
I’m an MRAer, have I done any of these things? I have legitimate concerns. When things are written into LAW that usurp a persons rights, I find that a problem.
Feminist whine and cry how they’re not a monolithic block, yet here you are calling ALL MRAers a monolithic block. Smacks of hypocracy doesn’t it?
Then again, my limited intelligence surely negates anything I say. Ahh, the poor slave, doesn’t even know he should be apologizing for his white male privilege.
Speaking of privilege, wanna hear my retirement plan? It goes like this. Having little choice but to continue doing the manual labor I now do, I plan retiring the day I die. But since my job is dangerous I might die on the job and get to retire early. Sweet. Damn I’m so privileged. Again I apologize profusely for not even knowing I’m privileged.
Johnny, the WikiWakiWoo link came up to support the original contention on the first page of Goofle hits.
Of course, I find no surprise in that our Friend here instantly derided the source, especially since he adamantly refuses to provide sources “just because”.
Yeah, I submitted corrections that were incorporated after being reviewed for accuracy. Not quite the same as Conservapedia.
Then again, my limited intelligence surely negates anything I say. Ahh, the poor slave, doesn’t even know he should be apologizing for his white male privilege.
jeblis, dude, drop the passive-aggressive bullshit, if you want anyone to take you seriously. It is SO whiny, like a second-rate Morrissey wannabe on a bad day.
Yes NWOslave you have a reasonable good grasp of sexual dimorphism. Saying that it covers behavior is however an oversimplification. It covers inherited or instinctual behavior, but not learned behavior. A large portion of human behavior is learned and that is where gender roles come into play.
to further what Fatman said, “gender roles” are not the same thing as “gender”
@zombie rotten mcdonald
Ahh well I guess my sarcasm is below par.
Just one question for any of you really.
Are you innocent until proven guilty?
Ahh well I guess my sarcasm is below par.
yes it is.
@Bee – No, sorry I don’t go by that name anywhere else. I use a few different names in other places. Usually these names have wings or stars in them, but I have never used butterfly wings.
For what it’s worth, I don’t mind short men. I actually had a crush (way back in highschool) on a guy who was much shorter than me. And by much shorter, I mean much shorter. He was pretty petite (especially for a guy, given the average height of males) and I found that cute, plus he was a nice guy. Too bad he was already taken.
I wish I had more to add, but I don’t have the time to go through every comment after mind.
No answer to my question. It’s always the same I answer countless question yet not even one of mine.
No answer to my question.
It’s a stupid question.
In your case, if I am at work NWOslave-yes.
If I am not at work, no.
Also, you always deride the source. I posted two very clearly NON-feminist works and YOU assumed they were feminist works without even checking.
That’s because you’re an ignorant asshole. Interacting with you is like trying to bail out a pigsty with a thimble: both disgusting and futile.
You make nonsensical claims which you refuse to back up, and when other commenters refute your claims, you either make fact-free denials or revert to straight-up assholery.
You are proudly and aggressively ignorant. You contribute nothing of value. You are a waste of bandwidth. You are a fountain of suck.
I might also add that you are a disgrace to the penis.
You are proudly and aggressively ignorant. You contribute nothing of value. You are a waste of bandwidth. You are a fountain of suck.
Yes, and may I add that the force of 10000 black holes multiplied by all the Hoover Vacuum cleaners ever made and raised to power of Michael Bolton singing “When a Man Loves a Woman” is as nothing to the massive, negative pressure vortex that is NWO’s sucktitude.
No I’m a disgrace to the penis. I wear that badge proudly. Seriously, I’m thinking of having a badge made.
In Soviet Russia, penis disgraces you!
Heck, Captain, get t-shirts made; then it can also say we sit down to pee.
OK, I need to apologize in advance, to David and the rest of the normal commenters; I led some SadlyNaughts over here.
There goes the fricking neighborhood.
They may not show up for a while due to David’s first-comment-gets-moderated policy.
That reminds me: Sadlynaughts, David’s policy is that first-time commenters have to go through moderation. After that, you’re good to go.
Finally something we can agree on.
Woah, I go offline for a couple of hours and there are another hundred comments.
Anyway, NWO, I believe it was you who mentioned something about “bonobo cards.” So here you go:
http://fineartamerica.com/art/photographs/bonobo+monkey/greeting+cards
You’re welcome!
“Speaking of privilege, wanna hear my retirement plan? It goes like this. Having little choice but to continue doing the manual labor I now do, I plan retiring the day I die. But since my job is dangerous I might die on the job and get to retire early. Sweet. Damn I’m so privileged. Again I apologize profusely for not even knowing I’m privileged.
1. You are privileged enough to have internet access and rich enough to own a computer. Many people across the world are not rich enough to afford more than 2 meals a day.
2. Men die younger than women because we are more prone to heart attacks and they are less prone to it. With increasing life expectancy heart attacks come into play more and more. It’s an issue with testosterone. Cut your testicles off you will live longer (no seriously, the Castraati were famously long lived for the time.) also incidentally if you are a teenager you will grow taller if you do this procedure.
3. Women are not the reason you are doing manual labour. The fact you picked a job that involves manual labour is why you are doing manual labour.
4. Stop whining, if you don’t like your job get a new one. You aren’t a slave no matter how much you think like one. Suck it up.
Follow your own advice and “be a man”. So far all I here is so much whining that I may confuse you for Paris Hilton.
Avicenna, you know the proper response is “Oh you poor baby, let me me fix it all for you.” While simultaneously being a hot woman with no job but millions of dollars and the sexual expertise of a porn star but the virginity rating of Mary.
OK, I saw Johnny Pez over here and figured he had come over from SN. Now I go back and see he was here WAY before me.
Well played.
One of things I have found HILARIOUS in the short time I have poked around here, is how the MRA guys feel an overwhelming need for everyone to be labeled. “Alpha”. “Beta”. “Omega”. “Mangina”. “Alpha-alpha”. Let alone the labels they prefer to use for women.
The idea that, as Depeche Mode once badly sang, People are People is simply Not Acceptable. Every single person has to be categorized and ranked.
It’s truly kind of weird.
And funny, in a nervous kind of way.
Elizabeth…
That would be creepy… VERY CREEPY. Like Silence of the Lambs creepy…
What bothers me is how he assumes manual labour is a macho job when I know women who work in farms and in building sites. In India a lot of builders are women. And are paid peanuts.
Having little choice but to continue doing the manual labor I now do, I plan retiring the day I die. But since my job is dangerous I might die on the job and get to retire early.
And somehow that is the fault of women, and not rich white male assholes like the Koch brothers who insist that everybody below them should be nothing more than wage slaves?
You do realize that a union might have made your workplace safer, or extended your life, or allowed for even a small pension. But again, Rich White Male Assholes like Reagan and the various Bushes have made it easier to send jobs to low wage third word hellholes, and threaten you with subsequent loss of your job unless you concede to these abysmal working conditions. Are you sure you’ve thought this through?
OK, I confess that I do not know, but somehow feel that based on your other comments, that you are at least a Glibertarian, if not a Full Goose Bozo Tea Partying Republican. Perhaps I assume too much.
Dude, I hope at least the women get salt on their peanuts.
Zombie! Hey! I am studying in a 3rd world hell hole. These nations actually rely on those jobs too!
The issue is that even here the unions are gearing up. The issue is that you can hire someone equally if not more talented to work in India than you can in the USA for a price far far cheaper than the USA can manage.
Ironically remember India outsources it’s work to Africa (nigeria for example) because it gets the same bargain.
And no women do not get salt for their peanuts. They must be seasoned with tears and agony.
No seriously women here work as hod carriers and mortar carriers. They pretty much are lifting weights most men would struggle to life. I would not be able to lift those kind of weights day in and day out. MRA may call me a pussy but “so what? I intend to be a rich one!”
Avi, no offense. I don’t think of them as hell holes. and Everybody relies on those jobs.
I think the problem is when they are simply displaced for the incremental advantage of rich turdwaffles. I believe that the best chances involve a worldwide approach to commerce, a worldwide minimum wage, widespread unions kind of thing. But then, I am a commie zombie. Also, I suspect I am a mangina, but will ait for one of the regular MRAs to weigh in on that. Perhaps I am a Zomgina.
I once saw an estimate that it would cost something like 5 or 10 billion dollars to provide safe, clean drinking water to every person on the planet. It seems to me that the reduction in illness and preservation of life that this would provide FAR OUTWEIGHS any kind of goofy “hearts and minds” bullshit that bombing wedding parties provides. But hey, Imma zombie.
And we’ve flushed 100 times that amount down the toilets of Afghanistan and Iraq. Perhaps if we stopped doing that?
Since is whining about his job again, I’d like to point out that NWO admitted to getting paid $19/hour. He thinks this is a low wage.
I did a post on my own blog about Man Boobz over a month ago. I thought that you had followed my link here. Most likely, we both followed a link from Pandagon here and stayed for the lulz.
@ Draize Train
That works out to just under $40,000 per year, which places NWO firmly within the mid quintile as far as median household income goes. Mind you, since he’s an MRA, it seems reasonable to assume that he’s got an estranged family somewhere that he pays alimony and/or child support to.
Zombie…
British minimum wage out here would be AMAZING. (Rs. 500 an hour! Many doctors don’t earn that!)
It’s impossible to achieve without improving standard of life world wide which is physically impossible. Even first world nations have differences in value of things and in some large nations specific locations are dearer/cheaper. New York is pricier than Buffalo
The issue with “clean drinking water” is sustainability. Simply forking out 10 billion dollars won’t actually help people. It is better to give them methods to earn 10 billion dollars…
I once built a bathroom for a rural village out here. It sounds dumb but really bathrooms cut the mortality rate in a huge way. Within 6 months the village wrecked it. It’s just the way how people think. If they had been made to work towards that then they would really care for it.
MRAL: If you’re still reading this thread, you shouldn’t feel so self conscious about your height. I am only one woman who happens to like tall men, and I do not speak on behalf of any other women in the world, only myself. I think it’s also important to note that my husband is 80 pounds overweight, and that I find that attractive, too. I don’t like muscular men, but big boned, plus size men. I know other women that don’t like it when men have a gut, but I don’t mind it. I’m trying to say that everyone has a type they find more attractive, and it’s not universal. I like men at least 6’0 tall and at least 250 lb. My best friend is very pretty and her boyfriend is very short and skinny.
By the way, a great personality goes a long way in making even the least conventionally attractive people more attractive. A confident, kind man with a good sense of humor wins out over a hunk any day.
@ Johnny Pez
And unless he lives in NYC or San Francisco or another unusually expensive part of the country, S40K is very comfortably middle-class, no?
Even if child support/alimony payments take out 20% of that, she’s still making over $30K. (I know someone on here posted the average child support payments and it was much less than that, more like a few thousand a year. I’ll defer to someone who knows where to get those stats…) $30K is far below grinding poverty. (That’s what I lived off of for several years and I felt lucky to be making that much money. And I live in a large urban area, not exactly a cheap place to live.)
Yet, with no self-awareness whatsoever he was all, “Boo hoo, I am so oppressed and paid peanuts for my horrible job. I will die in a gutter.”
Seriously, if he is struggling to live off of $40K a year, he needs to stop blaming feminists and start being more responsible with his money. Or maybe adjust his values, live within his means, and cut out some unnecessary luxuries like–well, I don’t know WTF he’s blowing his money on. Harems of sexbots, maybe.
There are plenty of people in this country–men and women–who work dangerous, physically demanding jobs that get paid much less than $19/hour. More like $8-$10 an hour–a few dollars more than minimum wage is the premium they get for endangering their health. And if they are illegal immigrants, they might be getting paid less than minimum wage.
Good lord, what whiny fucking babies. And MRAL seriously compares the great suffering of being shorter than average to racism. Do you think he says shit like out loud, in the real world?
Yeah, I remember when I first heard about those “You Must Be This Tall To Enter” signs posted in front of voting booths, systematically denying short men of their civil rights for decades.
Also, can he not conceive of being BOTH short and non-white? What about those guys?
MRAL: The national average is 5’10″? There must be some hidden pocket of giants then, because I’ve lived/travelled all over the country and my 5’9″ has been pretty much the average everywhere I’ve gone.
I’m moving to NC from SF, and one of the things I’ve noticed there is the spread is greater, with a lot more “short” men. Really MRAL the more I see the more I think the problem might lie with you, not, “the bitches”. I say this because I’ve never had any problem getting women to pay attention to me (hell, some have even gone out of their way to get me to pay attetion to them). I’ve struck out some, but that’s because people do all want the same sort of thing. I’ve been not hired at companies which would probably have benefitted from my working for them too. That, as they say, is life.
Correction, NYC. I can’t think of any reason to go back to North Carolina. I didn’t enjoy my (short) stay there at all.
You mean the indians? Don’t forget we are stuck with a stupid accent and excess body hair too… Man are we dealt the poor genetic hand for attractiveness…
NOWSlave: I have to say that MRAL is more intellectually honest; and therefore actually more challenging. He may be a an asshat, and something of a dolt, but he actually makes consistent complaints, and practical arguments.
That said fidelity means, in the context of interpersonal relationships, hewing to the terms of the agreement made. If sleeping with others is agreed to, than to sleep with someone else isn’t unfaithful. If one has to get consent first, then sleeping with another without that consent is unfaithful. It’s a really simple idea really. Establish a contract, keep it.
To address your claim of keeping people here honest, nonsense. You make shit up. You have preconceptions (a rising crime rate) and anyone who corrects you gets, not supporting evidence for your claim, but a bit of contradiction. That’s not argument. It barely merits dismissal as “unsupported”. It certainly doesn’t sharpen anyone’s ability to reason, or argue; because there’s meat on your bones.
The abortion/crime correlation is from an economist, Steven D. Levitt. There are, actually, some serious flaws in his allegation of causation, but the fact is that crime went down in the early ’90s, which (loosely, that’s one of the flaws in his argument) with the onset of legal abortions (the study fails to account for the variability of abortion availability; i.e. it wasn’t uniformly unavailable even in the states where it was nominally illegal; he fails to account for differentials in rates of abortion across social class, much less economic [i.e. he assumes the motivations of a white, middle-class woman will be the same motivations for all women] and doesn’t note the crime rate decrease actually leads the cohort maturation; which is in part hidden by his have a rather larger cohort grouping than he ought (14-21 year olds). His modeling also failed to account for the effect of drug laws removing a significant portion of the poorer, esp. black, population from the broader society; esp. during the ages of peak violence. In short I don’t think more than correlation can be laid to it. Esp. as other places (the Netherlands) which also legalised abortion in the same time frame didn’t see any such decrease.
The factors are too complex.
NWO. I see you think Romania under ceaucescu was not a dictatorship, which is what ambesia said. I begin to see the reason you don’t cite sources.
As to the, “fatherless society” the issue there is the society. Iceland has a cultural preference (now, it wasn’t always so; though it was never stigmatised the way it is here) for non-marital births. There is no, “norm” for the entire world. Which shows the roles you think are “natural” are constructs.
Avicenna-are you sure it was not because they really do not understand the importance of caring for such a thing? Or how to?
Just because you build something does not mean they will comprehend what it requires to maintain. (Or even understand anything about it.)
zombie rotten mcdonald: TKD was developed to deal with opponets who had a positional height differential relative to the practitioner; the difference was horses. This is why it has so many large moves, as compared to the small moves of aikido, or kenpo, or judo. Capeoira is large because it was designed in secret, and disguised as dance.
NWO: re dressing in skimpy clothes late at night: see my comment above. I’d be more than willing to send any woman of my acquaintance to Iceland to do just what you described.
Oh they do know the importance of it. It’s just that they assumed it was “my responsibility” since I built it.
Giving people things is not useful. Making them think they have earnt it is. We should facilitate not enable. Because people have a natural habit of assuming gifts and not changing their ways, facilitation of their improvement means helping with building infrastructure via skills and education rather than “building it ourselves and giving it to them”. The issue is what do they do after we go?
A lot of christian charity works by giving people things and becoming a “provider”. When the charity leaves the community just reverts back to normal. The whole “By My hands or none at all” attitude is good to inculcate because then you can have real permanent progress in societies.
Oh, developmental sustainability… I’ve heard about that!
Soooo maaaaany prooojects end up that way. Broken water taps, unused community laundries, equipment stolen from computer labs and put in administrative offices… I could go on and on.
Natural entropy? Failure of proper education? Lack of resources to make repairs? Cultural deference to corrupt authority? All of the above?
I hate the “if we only spend X amount of dollars, then Y will be eradicated/fixed/improved.” If that were true, wouldn’t someone have done it by now? To say that is to betray such staggering ignorance of poverty and economic development that it is almost not worth the time to counter it.
Acivenna’s concept of encouraging people to “own” development projects by community involvement is a very popular one, and I’ve seen it work to a certain extent. But I’ve also seen plenty of good projects fail to go forward because the community didn’t keep up its end of the deal once the grant was awarded and the materials purchased. The labor to finish the thing just didn’t materialize. Too many potatoes to harvest, the project would only benefit group W and group X was jealous and refused to participate, the materials miraculously shrank after a few weeks. This sort of thing happens ALL the TIME. And NOT just in developing countries.
Poverty, causes of is a complex, complex problem that can be studied for a lifetime and still not well understood. That is why any successful non-profit or NGO focuses on one specific need and ignores all others, no matter how worthy. And things do get incrementally better, at a glacial pace. I’ve seen that too. And it is worth working for.
NWOSlave, my question got lost in the discussion on the difference between sexual dimorphism and gender roles but I would still like to know if you are hostile to redefining gender roles with the intent of increasing the happiness of the members of that society? From what I have read from various MRAs redefining current gender roles is a major part of their agenda, but I do not want to assume that that is your position simply because other MRAs hold it.
If you need further help in understanding the difference between sexual dimorphism and gender roles before you can answer I would be happy to offer such help.
MRAL, Imagine that women have the same sort of unique individual desires, tastes, goals, ambitions, fears, anxieties, strengths, and flaws that men do. Imagine that women, like men, want to be happy, and imagine that women, like men, sometimes fail and sometimes succeed at achieving this goal. What form do you think that the behavior of the women in this thought experiment would take, and why to you think that?
What Kes said Avicenna.
Hehe. Well we have other models of sustainability such as “sensible advice”. No your tiny village cannot run a RO water plant, but you can do rainwater harvesting and solar stilling to improve your water situation.
Yeah sometimes the capital fizzles out but when it works it works well. And I don’t have to keep fixing things for them which is great because I have other things to do. Like whinge at MRAs and complain about the game.
“Yeah, I remember when I first heard about those “You Must Be This Tall To Enter” signs posted in front of voting booths, systematically denying short men of their civil rights for decades.”
Irrelevant, because that doesn’t happen today, so nice try.
You know MRAL, you could have a better life if you develop a sense of humour.
This isn’t funny, why don’t you go tell black people to just have a sense of humor about racism, or men to have a sense of humor about rampant misandry.
@Ms. Wings: Ah, yeah, it sounded dumb even to me as I was typing it, but I had to try. She was a blog friend, and now that we don’t maintain our blogs anymore, we’ve lost touch.
Moving on, it occurs to me that I appear to be dating a man shorter than me, who has a bit of a history of being a ladies man and a heartbreaker. Lots of women like him/have liked him. But then, his (lack of) height is not the only thing he has going for him. He’s smart, funny, sexy, a great conversationalist, energetic, well-read, artistic, and at least a little bit caring. Not only is he shorter than me, but he’s a tiny bit shorter than I think MRAL said he was. GOD it’s annoying when your justifications for your failures end up being proved wrong, isn’t it?
Oh yeah. @Avicenna: Don’t knock the stupid accent and excess body hair. Indian men got it goin on. (My opinion.)
Let’s be clear, being short isn’t a big deal if you’re otherwise gifted like the short boyfriends and actors that are cited here. Short men like Tom Cruise are successful because they’re facial alphas, IN SPITE of the negativity that shortness brings. I’m mutated, in addition to being short.
Tell you what, MRAL. If it comes to the point where people are being told they weren’t hired because they couldn’t reach things without a stepladder, and the song ‘Short People’ by Randy Newman is taken literally, then we’ll consider height discrimination a real issue.
I’ll make an exception for those at the highest and lowest ends of the height spectrum, like people with dwarf syndrome or people who frequently have to duck to get through doorways.
MRAL, it’s not just that you lack a sense of humor, it’s that you don’t seem to get that the joke is that you’re laughably ignorant.
When you say “irrelevant, because that doesn’t happen *today*, so nice try” [my emphasis] it sounds very much like you believe it ever happened.
Which reveals that you find the people attacking you credible, even when they’re saying ridiculously false things in jest. Tactically, a very poor move on your part.
“If it comes to the point where people are being told they weren’t hired because they couldn’t reach things without a stepladder”
Pretty sure black people aren’t being explicitly told they aren’t being hired because of their race. Subtle racial discrimination does exist, obviously, but so does height discrimination… again, how do you explain the fact that CEOs are abnormally tall? I’d love to hear that rationalization.
From Wikipedia:
“Nevertheless, studies have shown that short people are paid less than taller people, with disparities similar in magnitude to the race and gender gaps.”
The baseline standard of physical attractiveness tends to the tall and slender. So short and fat people are indeed at a disadvantage. Someone who possesses either or both of these qualities has two general choices:
A) Accept that this is their lot in life and develop other attractive qualities, as well as steeling themselves for being rejected by shallow people more often than not. Accept that just because they want to sleep with someone doesn’t mean the reverse is true and that this isn’t a character flaw or sign of some vast conspiracy or gender inferiority. Learn the basics of pleasing one’s preferred gender in bed, and develop platonic friendships with them as well.
or
B) Decide that everyone who won’t sleep with them is a shallow, worthless person; and the people who would sleep with them but they don’t find attractive are likewise worthless. Blame everyone for not finding one attractive; rather than focusing on becoming attractive oneself.
Here’s a hint, MRAL: Everyone has flaws. Sometimes it’s a funky eye, sometimes it’s falling short of the physical standard of beauty. Sometimes it’s selfishness, or shallowness. Sometimes it’s a health problem or a temper or an advanced sense of entitlement. No one is perfect, and reasonable people who get involved in dating and romances learn quickly to accept this. Sometimes people they pursue turn out to be pretty flawed. Sometimes their own flaws are a turn off to someone they’re attracted to. Adults cope with this, move on and keep trying to be better people. Your self-described eye problem might be a turn off to some people – but I can promise you, your anger and contempt is far more of a turn off than any physical characteristic.
Fat fucks can make themselves NOT FAT, if they don’t, they’re worthless and deserve nothing. Therefore, there’s no comparison.
MRAL, look, I’ll grant you that short men are actually discriminated against to some degree: I’ve seen studies suggesting that taller men earn a bit more than shorter men, on average.
And though I haven’t seen any scientific studies based on representative samples, I know that on OkCupid women are more likely to send unsolicited messages to taller men (at least if they’re shorter than 6’8″; apparently women don’t prefer reall really tall men). (Tall women, by contrast, get a much smaller percentage of unsolicited messages than shorter women.)
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/
But in the grand scheme of things, the amount of discrimination faced by guys like you who are an inch or two shorter than average is really not that great. Short people were never denied the right to vote; they were never systematically denied education; cities aren’t segregated by height. Taxi drivers don’t refuse to pick up short men.
Heck, you could easily add an inch or two to your height by buying shoes with thick soles. And then you’d be of average height.
But here’s the thing: most women don’t care about height. True, some do, and that might put you at a very slight disadvantage. But again, I see short guys with conventionally attractive girlfriends/wives all the fucking time. In the end, most people do pair up, short and tall alike.
You know what really puts you at a disadvantage? Your constant whining about shit that isn’t really that important. Your total lack of perspective about this shit. And, oh yeah, your anger towards and hatred of women, especially fat women.
Women generally speaking don’t like going out with angry, bitter men who regularly refer to all women as “bitches.” Maybe if you were a rapper you could get away with that, but you’re not.
(By the way, Eminem is reportedly about 5’7″ or 5’8″ tall.)
That quote had a ‘citation needed’ next to it in the Wikipedia entry. Do you know any studies that actually show this?
Well sure. Height discrimination does exist, in the same way that discrimination against all sorts of things does. People who are “too” short, “too” tall, overweight, unattractive, nonwhite, trans, QUILTBAG, not judeochristian, disabled–all those things may work against a person in the workplace or in some aspect of life.
The thing is, you seem to think you’ve got it the worst. Because you’re what? A white hetero able-bodied male in the U.S. who’s a shade under 5’9″? And you have some kind of facial blemish? I mean, I get it. It’s awful being you. You’ve made that really clear. Maybe you need therapy to get through the pain of not being three inches taller.
NWO:
“I’m an MRAer, have I done any of these things?”
Your association with the MRA movement is proof enough that you are a branded misogynist whose forehead should be tattooed with a warning to others.
“I have legitimate concerns. When things are written into LAW that usurp a persons rights, I find that a problem.”
MRAs view “their rights” the same as tax evaders view theirs. IE, what you THINK are “rights” really aren’t. But it’s interesting to listen to MRAs go on and on about it in brilliant displays of their senses of entitlement.
Also, MRAL, your ignorance about weight is quite remarkable. Genetics basically determine weight relative to others in your society; in a society like ours where unhealthy food is cheap and readily available and in which most people don’t perform physical labor, people tend to be fatter than they likely would have been 100 years ago.
Losing weight in the short term is not that hard. Keeping it off, however, is almost impossible. In the long run, diets almost always fail. Nor is exercise a magic elixir (it tends to make people hungry, and since cheap food is everywhere they eat more). Exercise is very good for people in lots of ways, but it doesn’t necessarily reduce weight by much if at all.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/books/review/Bazelon.t.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/08/health/08fat.html