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Note: This post is about a blog post on the Men-Factor blog that has already inspired some discussions in the comments here.
One of the most disturbing pieces of writing I’ve seen in the manosphere in recent days was actually written by someone who regularly posts comments here — an engineer in Reno who calls himself Scarecrow, and who runs a blog called Men-Factor. (You may have noticed it in my “Enemies List” in the sidebar.) His blog posts are typically puerile “humor” pieces — deliberately crude, and festooned with “wacky” pictures — directed at feminists and the like: here’s one example, a puzzling bit of japery entitled “Woman Purposely does Crossword Wrong; Hailed as Big Step for Women’s Rights!”
But earlier this week, he posted something that left me simply appalled, a weird and angry attack on what he called in the post’s title a “Dirty Skanky Whore with no Brains Who ‘Puts Out’ for Physically Abusive Men” — and who “is Missing and Probably Dead.” Unlike the fictional crossword-puzzle bungler, the women in this post is a real person, a Las Vegas dancer named Deborah Flores-Narvaez, who in fact has been missing since December 12 and who may well have been murdered.
This post comes complete with wacky pictures and all, but it’s essentially a rant celebrating the probable murder of Flores-Narvaez and the murder of “skanks” generally. Why? Because Flores-Narvaez was hot, was dating a man who may well have abused her, and because
she reminds me of those women who would brutally reject men … when being approached. You know – the woman who makes a total scene and makes heads turn – but not at me of course.
Scarecrow puts these words in the mouth of a fictional commenter, but it is clear this is his feeling towards her as well.
Then, rehashing the tired mansophere myth that women only like dating thugs, he writes:
Most American woman are now happy that another psychotic man has once again joined the singles scene and could make them a potential mate and possibly as an extra bonus – a murderer too!
He ends the piece with the phrase “live and let SKANKS die” in big red letters, a twisted reference to the Paul McCartney song with a similar title.
There is of course no possible justification for any of this, but Scarecrow, having been told by some of his friends he’d shown the post to that he’d gone too far, tries to offer one anyway:
I was raised to have respect for all life. … Perhaps I am turning into a sour old fart – but – I have seen crap like this way too often in my life – and it has actually bled over into my life on a few occasions …
I have met too many women like this – and – yes – been treated with hostility by them (or seen them treat other men like me with hostility) when no hostility was called for. Later of course – I hear stories about them getting beaten or killed by some psychotic dick-weed.
Do I still care?
NOPE.
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| From Men-Factor, Scarecrow’s blog. |
For the rest of this part of his rant, see the graphic on the right here, taken from his post.
Scarecrow then links to three blog posts relating events from his life that he says justify his attitude towards Flores-Narvaez and other so-called “skanks.”
The first link recounts what he rightly calls a “whale of a tale.” In brief: One late night about a decade ago, Scarecrow was waiting in line at a grocery store when he noticed that the “incredibly beautiful … busty brunette” in front of him in the line was buying the same odd assortment of items that he was. He made a remark to her about this, and, instead of laughing, as he had hoped, she snapped, and yelled at him. Which is, yes, one of the more likely outcomes you’ll get when you try chatting up a young woman who likely gets hit on all the time when she is shopping by herself late at night.
All of which would be an unremarkable tale had it not been for what happened next: the woman was murdered, her head bashed in with a cinder block, later that night. The police, having heard from a witness who happened to know Scarecrow that he had been “arguing” with her in the grocery store shortly before she was killed, questioned Scarecrow about the incident. Naturally, this freaked him the fuck out, as it would anyone who found themselves facing questioning from cops in a murder case. Having heard his story, they assured him he wasn’t the real suspect — her boyfriend was — and moved on.
Remarkably, instead of feeling sympathy for the murdered woman, Scarecrow instead blamed her, and all women like her, for making his life more difficult:
Why is it that a guy like me gets yelled and barked at by an incredibly beautiful woman like this – and a guy that ends up bashing her face in with a cinder block gets laid – lord only knows how many times – or what kind of fun and exciting sex acts she performed on him? …
This incident was a crucial turning point in my life. Not only was I not getting laid by these “mega-hottie” women, but they would go to extremes to be rude to me. And now, their f*cked up lives were seeping over into my own life. This pissed me off to no end. …
Clearly, something is wrong with some modern western females. SERIOUSLY WRONG!
That’s the conclusion he draws from all this?
The other stories Scarecrow cites as reasons for his rage against “skanks” are equally puzzling. One involves a male co-worker who sort-of-accused him of murdering a young woman named Brianna Denison. Though the “accuser” here was male (as was, it turns out, the actual murderer), Scarecrow directs much of the anger in his post at, again, the murdered woman, whom he describes as a “f*cked up b*tch, who was too good to talk to any ‘nice-guys.'” He also manages to work in a shot at the “heavy-set women” he saw in the TV coverage of a candle-light vigil for Denison:
Funny – since when do fat women care if a tiny woman drops off the face of the planet?
Oh wait – that’s right – silly me. There’s an awful lot of male-hatred that can be spread at such a thing, and of course – lots of money money money to be made. You can show everybody how much you cared about Brianna by donating money to various charities (CHA-CHING!), and remind everybody how ALL men are just beasts that want to rape and kill young women. HIP HIP HOORAY!
The other story involves — long story short — two Nazi skinheads he’d never even met who tried to blame him for drugs and weapons violations they’d committed. Seeing the skinheads for the first time at a pre-trial hearing, he directs his ire not at them but at their girlfriends:
The thing that pissed me off:
They [the skinheads] had their girlfriends with them: Two super-mega-hot women, a brunette and a blond. Both were busty, thin, and extraordinarily pretty in the face. … I wondered: Why do … losers get totally hot women, and men who are better off and “square” do not get the time of day from such women?
Once again: men commit a crime, and Scarecrow directs his anger at women, random women he doesn’t know — for being, in his mind, the type of women who would probably turn him down.
To restate an obvious point I’ve made in other posts: no one (male or female) has the right to sex and/or a relationship with the hottie of their choice, and anyone who walks around hating not only those women who’ve rejected them, but also all the other women who remind him of these women, is going to have that hate curdle inside of him. Everyone gets rejected. Some more than others, but that’s life. Life’s unfair. Yeah, some women go for assholes over “nice guys.” That’s their business, not yours.
But let’s pause for a moment on the issue of the “nice guy” — as in, for example, the “nice guys” who Scarecrow imagines were being cruelly rejected by the murdered Brianna Denison. How “nice,” exactly, is a guy who seethes with hatred of women because a relative handful of said women have responded negatively to his advances? If you blame and resent murdered women for inconveniencing your life, and celebrate the death of “skanks,” here’s the thing, and I shouldn’t really need to say this: you are not actually “nice.” You’re a creepy, angry, misogynistic asshole. And most women can sense that a mile away.
NOTE: I have not decided what I should ultimately do about the issue of Scarecrow posting comments here. Anyone — male or female, MRA or feminist — who posts comments celebrating the death of innocent people will have these comments deleted and will likely be quickly banned. But Scarecrow has not posted any comments like that here, and I am inclined, at least for now, to allow him to continue to comment here and, in particular, to respond to this post.
>@witman:It's funny, you actually remind me of a friend of mine who's married to a Canadian PhD. He's a great guy, but I imagine he wouldn't come off as such in a forum like this one.Honestly, no, you're not wrong to hold the beliefs you hold. I assume you're a guy who's bitter than women tend to find him creepy. Far be it from me to tell you how to deal with that. I personally have been punched in the face a few times. Usually it was just a bully. It wasn't my fault. Probably wasn't your fault either. No one deserves to be punched in the face for "saying something wrong." But women didn't punch you in the face en masse. One person punched you in the face. Dick move! But not a blanket indictment of femininity.
>I'll check if my previous post made it when I return in the morning.
>"People who are murdered generally have irritating and/or provocative personalities."This may be the weirdest thing I've ever read on the internet.
>ScareCrow's comment on his blog about Deborah Flores-Narvaez is badly worded.More than 2000+ people are missing in USA alone and she is not more or less important than all these other missing people.What is so special about her disappearance?She was a stripper and had a relationship with several violent boyfriends. Her decision, her risk to adore such a life-style.http://www.nowpublic.com/world/body-found-lake-mead-could-be-deborah-flores-narvaez-2741220.htmlIn April, Flores-Narvaez won a $250,000 civil judgment against McGee, whom she accused of beating her, according to court records.Nobody deserves to become a victim of a crime, but I am not surprised she is obviously in trouble again, kidnapped, even maybe murdered.M said… I will never understand the complete lack of understanding of basic human nature that leads some guys to think women being short with them as a response to being hit on is some assholish, entitled, hateful behavior. Many ordinary men joining the MRAs are angry. Out of good reason.The problem is about the life-style of many Western women – he is rich and old, say yes, he is just an ordinary young man with a basic income, say no.He is a gangster and offers a violent exciting way of life, say yes – he is just an average man without any criminal record doing a regular job, so he is boring, say no.And as next step, we have to listen to all these whiny feminist drivel complaining how bad and violent ALL men are. And what losers they are being single or looking for a foreign wife.Feminists fail totally to instruct women to choose their men more carefully instead of blaming ALL men, when something is going wrong.MRAs do not encourage women to socialize with violent thugs or to be active in the sex-business.But that's feminism – it's the fault of the man, and never the fault of the woman.
>Raul, You live a very sheltered existence if you've never been punched in the face. Women do not find me creepy. In fact, my marriageability due to my career, wife and her great looks/career makes me less creepy than your average individual, self proclaimed feminist man. Believe it or not, I'm actually short and overweight as well.You guys just go ahead and cater to your feminist overlords while the rest of us bang the eligible women folk.
>Sorry M,I did post a link to the study but it seems to have been caught by the spam filter. I will repost in the morning if it doesn't show.Imagine what irritating and/or provocative means. Now imagine a gun at your head and genuflect what those words mean again.
>Sorry, spell check. Genuflect should read reflect.
>So are the men who are the majority of violent crime victims all irritating and provocative? That hardly seems fair to the victims of crime.
>@witman:For someone who's obviously intelligent, it's strange to see you have trouble comprehending plain english when it doesn't fit your expectations.I'm not sure how my previous comment led you to your response. It's essentially impossible to proceed with the discussion at this point.
>Raul Groom said… ….. I personally have been punched in the face a few times. Usually it was just a bully. It wasn't my fault. …..No one deserves to be punched in the face for "saying something wrong." And what did you do AFTER these women were punching you in your face? And you said, this happened a few times?Did you hit back? Or did you call the police? Did you file a lawsuit against her?Or did you find it so funny, that you said, that's fine what she did to me?
>Raul Groom said… …I hope this forum/community can accomplish is prizing apart the MRA/PUA guys who really do have fundamental unresolved anger toward women … You are wrong 2 times with this short comment:1 -Without comments from MRAs this ridiculous blog of David would be empty and forgotten. Data-garbage of the internet…2 -We MRAs offer solutions for angry men who were badly treated by women in the past.We do not belittle such men and we do not make fun out of them with arrogant replies as you and other feminists do. We listen to them. We listen to the other side of the story.Yes, we offer alternate solutions to these cheated men and ask them to reconsider their actions BEFORE they are getting wild and out of control.What's wrong with that? fundamental unresolved anger toward women…You should ask WHY ordinary men do have fundamental unresolved anger toward CERTAIN women.What's the reason for that 'anger'?Do you really think, this 'anger' is coming out of 'nothing'?
>"fundamental unresolved anger toward women."Funny that is said. To think that the feminist movement constantly shows anger and resentment towards men 24/7 365 days a year, are feminists male or female too dumb to actually acknowledge this?This unresolved anger against men goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how we are supposedly privileged, we are rapists, we are abusers etc etc etc. This is 60 odd years and still going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It's so ironic how a feminist says that a MRA has unresolved anger towards women when the feminist movement is all about having unresolved anger issues towards the opposite gender. There is not one day that it lays to rest.I am sick of the blatant shameless hypocrisy that comes from feminists. They need to stop thinking they are the gender police.
> nicko81m said… "fundamental unresolved anger toward women."….they are the gender police. I always consider USA as the sex-prison for all honest ordinary men. Nowhere else worldwide, feminism is so hateful against all men, regardless the age even against small boys or old men.Most sex-crimes, like pissing behind a tree, are no sex-crimes anywhere else.The problem is feminism which is following you even around the world. If you move away, you are a loser, your foreign wife is a doormat, your children are halfbreeds looking like whores (because of the white father splitting the condom) and finally, as a feminist told me, you are only good when you are dead.And now? Feminists and their manginas are astonished, why I consider myself as an MRA.How come these feminists have a right to criticize my way of life? Who are these women teaching me a lesson?In their narrow typical American feminist mindset, men should pay for everything because women are poor, father's rights do not exist neither for the unborn, nor for the newborn nor for children who are teenagers, because this would mean children are paternal property.Sex is free to sell, but buying sex makes you a criminal in Sweden, sleeping with a 84 old rich guy is ok, but a poor man 24 with a girl 17 is a pedophile or rapist…and finally I have all these privileges and nobody can tell me what these privileges should be except long working hours, late retirement and limited health care.So what? I am the bad guy, because I reject feminism and such women who never did anything nice or good to me, even not when I was still a child.I am the misogynist, fundamental unreselved anger toward women….?This makes me laughing, what a BS is that? I am married since 34 years, never divorced, 2 daughters grown up university-educated, and still I take care for a Filipina fostergirl and also for her almost blind sister… (no feminist will help these really poor women and girls in the 3rd world out of their own wallet btw.)I was sharing with my Asian mother-in-law over 20 years the same rooms until she died never had any problems with her and this is a profil of a women-hater?I think, feminists, especially male feminists, must be very sad people, and their only pleasure is to envy and to disturb other men with their families.
>Yohan said:"How come these feminists have a right to criticize my way of life?"Because the gender police believe they have the right to tell men how to live and not to mention, to tell men how their sexuality should be. With the objectifying card, feminism attempts to regiment male sexuality while on the other hand it's oppression and against female liberation to tell women how they should operate their sexuality. It's also oppression and patriarchy to tell women who and what men they should be with but its all fine for feminists to tell men they are wrong for choosing Asian women because it's ummm the choice the men made.They are no better than the cave men they complain about as they attempt to make the rules of how men should function in relationships and how they should view their sexuality.
>'People who are murdered generally have irritating and/or provocative personalities.'I'm flabbergasted. I don't even know where to begin with this unpleasant piece of victim-blaming.
>'ScareCrow's comment on his blog about Deborah Flores-Narvaez is badly worded.'No it's not Yohan. It is offensive in the extreme and crosses a line of common decency. It speaks volumes about the man who Scarecrow is. He is, in short, a vicious toad. A poisonous man spewing toxic filth. He is not a person with whom I would ever want to have commerce. I am unsurprised if women give him the bum's rush. This is not the kind of behaviour that should be tolerated in polite society.
>'its all fine for feminists to tell men they are wrong for choosing Asian women because it's ummm the choice the men made.I think you'll find that feminists have no problem with men choosing Asian partners. However, they will call out those men who choose Asian partners because they want a willing and servile helpmeet.
>'Nobody deserves to become a victim of a crime, but I am not surprised she is obviously in trouble again, kidnapped, even maybe murdered.'Yohan, you send mixed messages. You say that no one deserves to be a victim yet you build a case that she deserved it. You are 'not surprised' she is in trouble, you rattle on disapprovingly about 'the life-style of many western women', and it seems to you that violence is the fault of women making poor choices. It all adds up to a mean-spirited piece of victim-blaming. Its one thing to say that a woman might be in part responsible for her predicament. But the tone of your post seems to try and deflect responsibility away from all but a handful of men. One critique of the problem of violence against women is that victim-blaming and 'she deserved it' is part of the problem. It sets up an environment where convictions are hard to secure, weakening the deterrent effect on would-be perpetrators. It discourages complaints by forcing victims into an unpleasantly adversarial situation. In other words, victim-blaming enables the violent.Both men and women contribute to victim-blaming. However, neither should be excused. By victim-blaming, and by lightly excusing vicious victim-blamers like Scarecrow, you are contributing to the problem.
>'How come these feminists have a right to criticize my way of life?'How come you have a right to criticize Western women for their way of life?Or to put it another way: surely this is not a one-way street where only you have the privilege to thumb your nose at the behaviour of others?
>percyprune: No it's not Yohan. It is offensive in the extreme and crosses a line of common decency. This is why I said, ScareCrow's comment is badly worded. He is missing clearly the point where he should mention that NOBODY deserves to become the victim of a crime.However the victim decided herself to choose a questionable risky life-style related to sex-business and accepted violent boyfriends. Highly possible, she was close to drugs, alcohol and criminals.This was HER decision, she is an adult, 31 year old, and nobody else can be made responsible for her bad choice of her risky life-style – except herself.She was choosing the wrong friends and job and I am not surprised at all, that she is now in serious troubles, even might be dead.Now, after she disappeared (we do not know what really happened yet) and might be a victim of a crime, feminists expect obviously ALL ordinary men to feel guilty, to feel 'especially' sorry for her, because it's all the fault of violent men around her.Many MRAs, who had formerly good intention with women next to them were rejected often in a very rude way as not being good or rich enough. Even convicted thugs in jail are receiving tons of love-letters, while ordinary men are merely the target of scorn for many highly materialistic orientated Western women misguided by feminist ideals.These men are truly bitter about such a feminist attitude.Feminists should – instead blaming ALL ordinary men as rapists or losers – strongly discourage women to socialize with violent thugs.Women have to learn to choose their male partner more carefully by using better criteria than 'rich and old' or 'not boring'.
>Yohan, you send mixed messages. …..it seems to you that violence is the fault of women making poor choices. It all adds up to a mean-spirited piece of victim-blaming. Yes, of course, a person who makes a bad choice is responsible for his/her bad choice.I am talking here clearly about PREVENTION of crimes.About victim-blaming, insurance companies are very good with that.If you get out of your car in a busy street, door open, key inside and you come back after some hours and your car is stolen, insurance companies will give you a hard time and might refuse to pay. Such behavior is called negligence.Same with your house, if you go out for holidays and don't lock the door and come back after a few weeks, how can you be surprised your furniture is gone?Of course, nobody has the right to steal your car or to take your furniture away, but such arguments will not be helpful for you and bring you to nowhere.Same is with this woman, I am not surprised at all, that something happened to her. She decided by herself to enter the sex-business and to live with several violent men. This was her decision.How can you say now, this is not a bad choice?What you are trying here to do is simple blaming men for all and everything. The woman is not responsible, whatever she is doing. Is a woman an adult or a child? If you are a woman (or a man, gender does not matter) and you decide to make a living out of sex and share your room with violent thugs, how can you be surprised, if you become a thug yourself – or a victim of those thugs living with you?
>Percyprune: How come you have a right to criticize Western women for their way of life?Or to put it another way: surely this is not a one-way street where only you have the privilege to thumb your nose at the behaviour of others? Is this a joke or a serious question?Of course, it's a one-way street, as MONEY is always moving from the man to the woman, regardless the circumstances.It's the feminist, who is ripping off the honest man financially, is fabricating false accusations for a lucrative divorce, is demanding money for HER children despite paternity fraud etc. and not vice versa.It's the feminist who is blaming ALL straight men for any form of violence or rape.What can I really do, if a woman decides herself to offer her body for money and to live with thugs? She will just tell me to shut up and to piss off, punch me or spit in my face and laugh, or report me to police for sexual harassment.You want to keep me, an ordinary straight man ridiculed by feminists and manginas, responsible for women and their bad choices? Are you crazy?
>'This is why I said, ScareCrow's comment is badly worded.No Yohan. 'Badly worded' suggests an unfortunate turn of phrase, a mild faux pas. That was not what we read here, which was a hateful, venomous screed aimed at this woman and by extension others like her.'However the victim decided herself to choose a questionable risky life-style related to sex-business and accepted violent boyfriends. Highly possible, she was close to drugs, alcohol and criminals.'You seem to be very good at making this risk-assessment for her. However, I somehow doubt that is how she assessed the risk. On the whole, women tend not to choose boyfriends who represent a threat to them. Indeed most folks avoid uncontrollably threatening situations if they have a choice. (Notice the qualifying word 'uncontrollably'.) A boyfriend might become a threat later in a relationship, but I doubt this figures into the initial decision.'She was choosing the wrong friends and job and I am not surprised at all, that she is now in serious troubles, even might be dead.'Again, you seem to be good at judging others' choices, morals and lifestyles though I doubt those people would view those choices the same as you. I would be surprised if it turned out that Flores-Narvaez thought she was putting herself in harm's way.So your judgement does come out as an attempt to turn the blame on a victim who may well have been making rational and measured assessments of risk.'Many MRAs, who had formerly good intention with women next to them were rejected often in a very rude way as not being good or rich enough.''Even convicted thugs in jail are receiving tons of love-letters, while ordinary men are merely the target of scorn for many highly materialistic orientated Western women misguided by feminist ideals.'And here you reveal yourself and we get to the heart of the matter, Yours is a complaint similar to that of many MRAs: that hot women didn't put out for them, so any who ran into trouble had it coming to them. Cry me a river, Yohan. It is this sort of unsympathetic attitude that I find so contemptuous and ugly. Your cup of bitterness overfloweth and will find no words of comfort from me.
>M,My Karate Sensei taught me a very valuable lesson pertaining to muggings. "If a man threatens you violently and demands your wallet what is the best thing to do? Give him your wallet!" Anything less than full compliance is provocative.I was mugged in Cuba and I understand that I was very provocative wearing a gold necklace in a country with so many poor people. Hell, I can't even find it in my heart to be angry with the mugger. I'm still pretty angry with myself for being in that situation.I will say this again "People who are murdered tend to have irritating and/or provocative personalities." and nobody deserves to be murdered. Violence rarely happens in a vacuum for no reason at all.
>Yohan,I finally figure out what our male privilege is.We get the privilege of taking full and complete responsibility for our life choices. We do not get to hold anyone responsible for their choices. You cannot even suggest that a poor decision could get somebody harmed without being accused of victim blaming.If I say something irritating or provocative and I get punched in the face for it, I reflect on what I have done. I know that this threat exists in the world I live in and I try to be as polite and courteous as possible.